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Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" 720p 60hz. for $ 404.00
A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p 120 hz. for $ $548.00

Which is the best buy ?

Whats the difference between 720p & 1080p
& 60 hz.or 120 hz.
Is there really a difference i can see ?

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Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" 720p 60hz. for $ 404.00
A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p 120 hz. for $ $548.00

Which is the best buy ?

Whats the difference between 720p & 1080p
& 60 hz.or 120 hz.
Is there really a difference i can see ?



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Is Google broken again? Damn, the same day that Best Buy is closed too.




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Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" 720p 60hz. for $ 404.00
A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p 120 hz. for $ $548.00

Which is the best buy ?

Whats the difference between 720p & 1080p
& 60 hz.or 120 hz.
Is there really a difference i can see ?

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yes. there's a big difference between 720 and 1080 if you have HD reciever.
120 hz is minimum in my opinion. 240 hz is better.
pay the extra bucks for the vizio 1080 120hz.

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Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" *720p 60hz. for $ 404.00
A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p * 120 hz. for $ $548.00


Which is the best buy ?


Whats the difference between 720p & 1080p
& 60 hz.or 120 hz.
Is there really a difference i can see ?


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yes. there's a big difference between 720 and 1080 if you have HD reciever.



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Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" *720p 60hz. for $ 404.00
A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p * 120 hz. for $ $548.00


Which is the best buy ?


Whats the difference between 720p & 1080p
& 60 hz.or 120 hz.
Is there really a difference i can see ?


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yes. there's a big difference between 720 and 1080 if you have HD reciever.

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Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" 720p 60hz. for $ 404.00
A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p 120 hz. for $ $548.00

Which is the best buy ?

Whats the difference between 720p & 1080p
& 60 hz.or 120 hz.
Is there really a difference i can see ?


IMO, get the 1080p. I can't speak for the brands...

Blu Ray disc require 1080p for the most vivid of pictures.


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On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:32:55 -0400, "desgnr"
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Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" *720p 60hz. for $ 404.00
A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p * 120 hz. for $ $548.00


Which is the best buy ?


Whats the difference between 720p & 1080p
& 60 hz.or 120 hz.
Is there really a difference i can see ?


IMO, get the 1080p. I can't speak for the brands...

Blu Ray disc require 1080p for the most vivid of pictures.


It makes NO difference on a TV that small.
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On May 19, 3:32*pm, "desgnr" wrote:
Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" *720p 60hz. for $ 404.00
A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p * 120 hz. for $ $548.00

Which is the best buy ?

Whats the difference between 720p & 1080p
& 60 hz.or 120 hz.
Is there really a difference i can see ?

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I sprung for the Samsung 48" 1080P a couple of years ago. I have
directTV but don't buy the HD package but the picture is still
awesome.

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desgnr wrote:
Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" 720p 60hz. for $ 404.00
A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p 120 hz. for $ $548.00

Which is the best buy ?

Whats the difference between 720p & 1080p
& 60 hz.or 120 hz.
Is there really a difference i can see ?

Hi,
Even at same size and resolution there are many different quality level.
Under 40", 720P will do but if you want to watch full HD(1080P) Blue ray
movie, native 1080P is better also 120Hz is better than 60Hz for sure
for fast moving object like sports games. Plasma panel does not have
this problem. We have 65" Panasonic full HD Plasma panel with upscaling
A/V Denon receiver. We seldom go out for movie now. I help install a
full HD projector at my friend's mountain village home with a full
shebang including special custom chairs and even pop corn machine. CR
rated Vizio brand pretty high.

Look for good color reproductio at movie mode, too high contrast, to
bright display is impressive at firsat but it is hrd on your eyes for
daily watching. Sales people always jack up the brightness/contrast to
impress you. One thing to have is a set up DVD when you get the TV. The
DVD will help you set up the TV display proper to your liking. Displays
which could show near true black or true white is good one.



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On Wed, 19 May 2010 13:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ron
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On May 19, 4:00*pm, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:32:55 -0400, "desgnr"
wrote:

Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" *720p 60hz. for $ 404.00
A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p * 120 hz. for $ $548.00


Which is the best buy ?


Whats the difference between 720p & 1080p
& 60 hz.or 120 hz.
Is there really a difference i can see ?


IMO, get the 1080p. I can't speak for the brands...

Blu Ray disc require 1080p for the most vivid of pictures.


It makes NO difference on a TV that small.


My eyes can only see 24 colors. They (colors) sure look better at
1080p.

I'm after a 32" TV, mostly so I can fall asleep in front of it at
night :-/

A 720p would work!
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On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:32:55 -0400, "desgnr"
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Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" *720p 60hz. for $ 404.00
A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p * 120 hz. for $ $548.00


Which is the best buy ?


Whats the difference between 720p & 1080p
& 60 hz.or 120 hz.
Is there really a difference i can see ?


IMO, get the 1080p. I can't speak for the brands...


Blu Ray disc require 1080p for the most vivid of pictures.


It makes NO difference on a TV that small.


My eyes can only see 24 colors. They (colors) sure look better at
1080p.

I'm after a 32" TV, mostly so I can fall asleep in front of it at
night :-/

A 720p would work!


http://reviews.cnet.com/720p-vs-1080p-hdtv/
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On May 19, 2:32*pm, "desgnr" wrote:
Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" *720p 60hz. for $ 404.00
A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p * 120 hz. for $ $548.00

Which is the best buy ?

Whats the difference between 720p & 1080p
& 60 hz.or 120 hz.
Is there really a difference i can see ?

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Bottom line...go with the Sony deal.
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Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" 720p 60hz. for $ 404.00 A Vizio 32" 1080p 60
hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p 120 hz. for $ $548.00


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On May 19, 4:00*pm, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:32:55 -0400, "desgnr"
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Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" *720p 60hz. for $ 404.00
A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p * 120 hz. for $ $548.00


Which is the best buy ?


Whats the difference between 720p & 1080p
& 60 hz.or 120 hz.
Is there really a difference i can see ?


IMO, get the 1080p. I can't speak for the brands...


Blu Ray disc require 1080p for the most vivid of pictures.


It makes NO difference on a TV that small.


My eyes can only see 24 colors. They (colors) sure look better at
1080p.


I'm after a 32" TV, mostly so I can fall asleep in front of it at
night :-/


A 720p would work!


http://reviews.cnet.com/720p-vs-1080p-hdtv/- Hide quoted text -

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Yes, exactly what I would expect. The higher resolution really isn't
noticeable unless you have a much larger screen. The other red
herring is the 60hz vs 120hz refresh rate. While 120 is better, I
think from a practical standpoint, few people would notice the
difference.

But all this makes for good gaming of customers into whatever the
store wants to sell. I bought a Sony LCD TV at Circuit City that was
120hz. The salesman asks me if I need cables, for which I was
already prepared with an answer before entering the store because I
knew what was coming. I told him I already had an HDMI cable. He
proceeds to tell me that because this TV is "120hz", the cable I have
won't work and I need a new Monster cable for $100+. Obviously he
didn't know he was dealing with an electrical engineer that knows the
difference between the refresh rate of the display and the digital
transfer speed of HDMI. And they have nothing to do with each
other. I actually later bought the HDMI cable on Ebay for $15.

While I was paying for the TV, I watched another salesman pull that
scam on a senior citizen that was buying a $300 TV. He wound up
paying probably $75 bucks for outrageously priced cables.


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On May 19, 6:57*pm, Oren wrote:


On Wed, 19 May 2010 13:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ron
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On May 19, 4:00*pm, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:32:55 -0400, "desgnr"
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Whats the difference ?
I can get a Sony LCD 32" *720p 60hz. for $ 404.00
A Vizio 32" 1080p 60 hz. for $494.00
or a Vizio 32" 1080p * 120 hz. for $ $548.00


Which is the best buy ?


Whats the difference between 720p & 1080p
& 60 hz.or 120 hz.
Is there really a difference i can see ?


IMO, get the 1080p. I can't speak for the brands...


Blu Ray disc require 1080p for the most vivid of pictures.


It makes NO difference on a TV that small.


My eyes can only see 24 colors. They (colors) sure look better at
1080p.


I'm after a 32" TV, mostly so I can fall asleep in front of it at
night :-/


A 720p would work!


http://reviews.cnet.com/720p-vs-1080p-hdtv/-Hide quoted text -


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Yes, exactly what I would expect. *The higher resolution really isn't
noticeable unless you have a much larger screen. *The other red
herring is the 60hz vs 120hz refresh rate. * While 120 is better, I
think from a practical standpoint, few people would notice the
difference.

But all this makes for good gaming of customers into whatever the
store wants to sell. *I bought a Sony LCD TV at Circuit City that was
120hz. * The salesman asks me if I need cables, for which I was
already prepared with an answer before entering the store because I
knew what was coming. * *I told him I already had an HDMI cable. * He
proceeds to tell me that because this TV is "120hz", the cable I have
won't work and I need a new Monster cable for $100+. * Obviously he
didn't know he was dealing with an electrical engineer that knows the
difference between the refresh rate of the display and the digital
transfer speed of HDMI. * And they have nothing to do with each
other. * I actually later bought the HDMI cable on Ebay for $15.

While I was paying for the TV, I watched another salesman pull that
scam on a senior citizen that was buying a $300 TV. *He wound up
paying probably $75 bucks for outrageously priced cables.


Meritline.com normally has 6' gold-plated 1.3 HDMI 3 for 6.99 and free
shipping. (bought 'em...use 'em)
Don't get ripped (unless your abs need it)!
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Meritline.com normally has 6' gold-plated 1.3 HDMI 3 for 6.99 and free
shipping. (bought 'em...use 'em)
Don't get ripped (unless your abs need it)!


I second that. I've been using the same Meritline cables for more than 6 mos.
They work perfectly; 1080p connection is sharp as a tack.
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I told him I already had an HDMI cable. He
proceeds to tell me that because this TV is "120hz", the cable I have
won't work and I need a new Monster cable for $100+.


Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim to fame
with speaker wire in the past.

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* *I told him I already had an HDMI cable. * He

proceeds to tell me that because this TV is "120hz", the cable I have
won't work and I need a new Monster cable for $100+.


Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. * *That was their claim to fame
with speaker wire in the past.


Monster cable is an overpriced joke.
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I told him I already had an HDMI cable. He
proceeds to tell me that because this TV is "120hz", the cable I have
won't work and I need a new Monster cable for $100+.


Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim to fame
with speaker wire in the past.


Careful. Most of their earnings come from suing people that type "Monster".



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I told him I already had an HDMI cable. He

proceeds to tell me that because this TV is "120hz", the cable I have
won't work and I need a new Monster cable for $100+.

Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim to fame
with speaker wire in the past.


Monster cable is an overpriced joke.


You should try Monster Energy Drinks, talk about overpriced.

TDD
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* *I told him I already had an HDMI cable. * He


proceeds to tell me that because this TV is "120hz", the cable I have
won't work and I need a new Monster cable for $100+.
Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. * *That was their claim to fame
with speaker wire in the past.


Monster cable is an overpriced joke.


You should try Monster Energy Drinks, talk about overpriced.

TDD


Never tried it, but they provide huge sponsorships in Supercross
(motorcycle racing) and at lest one in NASCAR for a former SC rider
Ricky Carmichael.
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* *I told him I already had an HDMI cable. * He

proceeds to tell me that because this TV is "120hz", the cable I have
won't work and I need a new Monster cable for $100+.


Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. * *That was their claim to fame
with speaker wire in the past.


At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to
argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound
quality because the signal is analog. Not saying that I believe their
oxygen free story, just that the cable characteristics do have an
affect on the analog signal. In the case of HDMI, all you need to
determine at the ends of the cable are if the signal is high or low,
ie 1 or 0, so there is far less basis to believe a typical HDMI cable
needs to be anything special.
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* *I told him I already had an HDMI cable. * He


proceeds to tell me that because this TV is "120hz", the cable I have
won't work and I need a new Monster cable for $100+.


Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. * *That was their claim to fame
with speaker wire in the past.


At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to
argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound


Bull. Google coat hangers vs monster cables.


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Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim to
fame
with speaker wire in the past.


At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to
argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound


Bull. Google coat hangers vs monster cables.


Some years back, Stereo Review magazine blind tested expensive speaker wires
versus lamp cord. No difference.

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* I told him I already had an HDMI cable. * He
proceeds to tell me that because this TV is "120hz", the cable I have
won't work and I need a new Monster cable for $100+.


Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. * *That was their claim to fame
with speaker wire in the past.


Monster also sells audio cables with SIGNAL DIRECTION arrows printed
on them to make sure you install them in the right direction!


Yes; wouldn't want to get 'highs' confused with 'lows'! {:-)
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"Ron" wrote

Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim
to fame
with speaker wire in the past.

At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to
argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound


Bull. Google coat hangers vs monster cables.


Some years back, Stereo Review magazine blind tested expensive speaker
wires versus lamp cord. No difference.


Did their study note that the quality of the connections can make a
difference? I use a thick gauge of lamp cord instead of fancy speaker
wire, because I am a cheap SOB, but all my vintage sound equipment uses
push-in or binding post connections. For sound and video applications
where the cable needs ends put on it, the connectors on the cheaper
pre-mades are usually crap. The gold-plated connectors are probably
meaningless unless you live on a beach, but a quality connector and a
decent gauge of wire probably helps. Of course, I am not talking about
modern miniature stereos, DVD players, and tiny speakers. The cables
that come with those look like fishing line to me.
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aemeijers wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

"Ron" wrote

Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim
to fame
with speaker wire in the past.

At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to
argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound

Bull. Google coat hangers vs monster cables.


Some years back, Stereo Review magazine blind tested expensive speaker
wires versus lamp cord. No difference.


Did their study note that the quality of the connections can make a
difference? I use a thick gauge of lamp cord instead of fancy speaker
wire, because I am a cheap SOB, but all my vintage sound equipment uses
push-in or binding post connections. For sound and video applications
where the cable needs ends put on it, the connectors on the cheaper
pre-mades are usually crap. The gold-plated connectors are probably
meaningless unless you live on a beach, but a quality connector and a
decent gauge of wire probably helps. Of course, I am not talking about
modern miniature stereos, DVD players, and tiny speakers. The cables
that come with those look like fishing line to me.


Many of the professional sound system installers for nightclubs use
rubber insulated #14 or #12 SO cord for speaker wiring. I'll use a
lot of plastic jacketed #18/2 stranded for 70 volt PA systems going
with a larger gage wire for the primary link only when getting into
power levels of 100 watts or more.

TDD
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aemeijers wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

"Ron" wrote

Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim to
fame
with speaker wire in the past.

At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to
argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound

Bull. Google coat hangers vs monster cables.

Some years back, Stereo Review magazine blind tested expensive
speaker wires versus lamp cord. No difference.


Did their study note that the quality of the connections can make a
difference? I use a thick gauge of lamp cord instead of fancy speaker
wire, because I am a cheap SOB, but all my vintage sound equipment
uses push-in or binding post connections. For sound and video
applications where the cable needs ends put on it, the connectors on
the cheaper pre-mades are usually crap. The gold-plated connectors are
probably meaningless unless you live on a beach, but a quality
connector and a decent gauge of wire probably helps. Of course, I am
not talking about modern miniature stereos, DVD players, and tiny
speakers. The cables that come with those look like fishing line to me.


Many of the professional sound system installers for nightclubs use
rubber insulated #14 or #12 SO cord for speaker wiring. I'll use a
lot of plastic jacketed #18/2 stranded for 70 volt PA systems going
with a larger gage wire for the primary link only when getting into
power levels of 100 watts or more.

TDD


You can count me in with the "heavy gauge zip cord" crowd. I do tin the
ends to keep things neater. Maybe I'm missing out on something, but if
I am, it's not really that important to me.

nate

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On May 20, 11:12 pm, "Ed *wrote:
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* * I told him I already had an HDMI cable. * He


proceeds to tell me that because this TV is "120hz", the cable I have
won't work and I need a new Monster cable for $100+.


Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. * *That was their claim to fame
with speaker wire in the past.


At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to
argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound
quality because the signal is analog. *Not saying that I believe their
oxygen free story, just that the cable characteristics do have an
affect on the analog signal. * In the case of HDMI, all you need to
determine at the ends of the cable are if the signal is high or low,
ie 1 or 0, so there is far less basis to believe a typical HDMI cable
needs to be anything special.


Hmm,
Really? digital bits should have no phase jitters to maintain signal
quality.


Not true. The digital signal can have phase shift as long as it's not
large compared to the bit interval.




Any how, how many people in the world can hear/see the
difference if we believe Monster's claim. There are better things to
spend my hard earned money on. All HDMI cables I use is from eBay
sellers in H.K. None of them gave me any sign of trouble. Maybe my eyes
and ears are inferior to detect the poor quality cable. I am an advanced
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On May 22, 1:26*am, bud-- wrote:
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* I told him I already had an HDMI cable. * He
proceeds to tell me that because this TV is "120hz", the cable I have
won't work and I need a new Monster cable for $100+.
Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. * *That was their claim to fame
with speaker wire in the past.


Monster also sells audio cables with SIGNAL DIRECTION arrows printed
on them to make sure you install them in the right direction!


http://tinyurl.com/38879u7


Good lord...........
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"Ron" wrote


Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. * *That was their claim to
fame
with speaker wire in the past.


At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to
argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound


Bull. Google coat hangers vs monster cables.


Some years back, Stereo Review magazine blind tested expensive speaker wires
versus lamp cord. *No difference.


That is a bit incomplete. Although the claims of premium cable
companies such as Monster are mostly fairy tails, lamp cord in many
applications would be too small a gauge to carry the signal properly,
especially as the length of the run increases. I would agree that any
generic wire of the same size would be fine. Monster tends to be in
larger gauges than lamp cord. Size (and good connections) *is what
matters most. Advertising and marketing hype... not so much.


The bottom line is, a LOT of people buy monster cable because they
think it's gonna make their stereo sound better, when in fact people
can't tell the difference between coat hangers and MC.
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aemeijers wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:


"Ron" wrote


Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim to
fame
with speaker wire in the past.


At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to
argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound


Bull. Google coat hangers vs monster cables.


Some years back, Stereo Review magazine blind tested expensive
speaker wires versus lamp cord. No difference.


Did their study note that the quality of the connections can make a
difference? I use a thick gauge of lamp cord instead of fancy speaker
wire, because I am a cheap SOB, but all my vintage sound equipment
uses push-in or binding post connections. For sound and video
applications where the cable needs ends put on it, the connectors on
the cheaper pre-mades are usually crap. The gold-plated connectors are
probably meaningless unless you live on a beach, but a quality
connector and a decent gauge of wire probably helps. Of course, I am
not talking about modern miniature stereos, DVD players, and tiny
speakers. The cables that come with those look like fishing line to me..


Many of the professional sound system installers for nightclubs use
rubber insulated #14 or #12 SO cord for speaker wiring. I'll use a
lot of plastic jacketed #18/2 stranded for 70 volt PA systems going
with a larger gage wire for the primary link only when getting into
power levels of 100 watts or more.


TDD


You can count me in with the "heavy gauge zip cord" crowd. *I do tin the
ends to keep things neater. *Maybe I'm missing out on something, but if
I am, it's not really that important to me.


You aren't missing out on anything.
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Nate Nagel wrote:
On 05/22/2010 09:19 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:

"Ron" wrote

Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim to
fame
with speaker wire in the past.

At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to
argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound

Bull. Google coat hangers vs monster cables.

Some years back, Stereo Review magazine blind tested expensive
speaker wires versus lamp cord. No difference.

Did their study note that the quality of the connections can make a
difference? I use a thick gauge of lamp cord instead of fancy speaker
wire, because I am a cheap SOB, but all my vintage sound equipment
uses push-in or binding post connections. For sound and video
applications where the cable needs ends put on it, the connectors on
the cheaper pre-mades are usually crap. The gold-plated connectors are
probably meaningless unless you live on a beach, but a quality
connector and a decent gauge of wire probably helps. Of course, I am
not talking about modern miniature stereos, DVD players, and tiny
speakers. The cables that come with those look like fishing line to me.


Many of the professional sound system installers for nightclubs use
rubber insulated #14 or #12 SO cord for speaker wiring. I'll use a
lot of plastic jacketed #18/2 stranded for 70 volt PA systems going
with a larger gage wire for the primary link only when getting into
power levels of 100 watts or more.

TDD


You can count me in with the "heavy gauge zip cord" crowd. I do tin the
ends to keep things neater. Maybe I'm missing out on something, but if
I am, it's not really that important to me.

nate


I don't know if you're familiar with SO, SOW, SOOW cord types but I
use them for low impedance speaker wire in commercial settings due
to the ease of pulling during installation, durability and better
resistance to damage. The cable is round with thick insulation.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/25d7nbb

TDD
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On May 22, 12:03 am, Tony wrote:
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On May 20, 11:12 pm, "Ed wrote:
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I told him I already had an HDMI cable. He


proceeds to tell me that because this TV is "120hz", the cable I have
won't work and I need a new Monster cable for $100+.


Yes, but Monster uses oxygen free copper. That was their claim to fame
with speaker wire in the past.


At least in the case of speaker wire there was some remote basis to
argue that the characteristics of the cable could affect the sound
quality because the signal is analog. Not saying that I believe their
oxygen free story, just that the cable characteristics do have an
affect on the analog signal. In the case of HDMI, all you need to
determine at the ends of the cable are if the signal is high or low,
ie 1 or 0, so there is far less basis to believe a typical HDMI cable
needs to be anything special.


Hmm,
Really? digital bits should have no phase jitters to maintain signal
quality.


Not true. The digital signal can have phase shift as long as it's not
large compared to the bit interval.

Hi,
Of course it depends how the spec. is set. We follow IEEE standard.





Any how, how many people in the world can hear/see the
difference if we believe Monster's claim. There are better things to
spend my hard earned money on. All HDMI cables I use is from eBay
sellers in H.K. None of them gave me any sign of trouble. Maybe my eyes
and ears are inferior to detect the poor quality cable. I am an advanced
amateur musician all my life. I have pretty good set of ears, LOL!- Hide quoted text -

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