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On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 05:44:09 -0700 (PDT), "R.S."
wrote: http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/o...geed_0925.html Click-2-Listen - http://c2l.newsworthyaudio.com/Partners/COXNewspapers/C2lPlayer.aspx?PartnerKey=COXNewspapers&SiteKey=aj c&ArticleGUID=ajc_opinion_bookman_stories_2008_09_ 25_pageed_0925&ArticleURL=http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/newsworthy/ajc//opinion/bookman/stories/2008/09/25//ajc_opinion_bookman_stories_2008_09_25_pageed_0925 .mp3&PartnerSpecificParam=AdUrl=http://ad.doubleclick.net/adj/ajc.cni/$PAGE%23ap%40click2listen%23pg%40$PAGE%23sub%40$SU B%23fromsite%40ajc%23 By J. BOYD PAGE Thursday, September 25, 2008 Reason No. 1: The $700 billion Wall Street bailout is merely a “drop in the bucket.” It will not correct Wall Street’s problems. The government’s suggestion that a $700 billion bailout of Wall Street and its bad investments will somehow solidify the markets is simply unfounded. The true facts show that there are more than $12 trillion worth of mortgages outstanding in the U.S. alone. Reason No. 2: The bailout plan smacks of cronyism. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and many of his chief advisors are Wall Street alumni. Paulson’s close relationship with the Wall Street community strongly suggests ulterior motives may impact his recommendations. Reason No. 3: Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke do not understand the problems confronting the American economy and are not qualified “to be king.” Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, stated: “This administration is asking for a $700 billion blank check to be put in the hands of Henry Paulson, a guy who totally missed this, and has been wrong about almost everything.” Reason No. 4: The bailout plan proposes to give Paulson unfettered discretion to do as he sees fit with no accountability to anyone and no review of his actions by either courts or administrative agencies. To create a “get out of jail free” card for anyone associated with the proposed bailout offers unlimited possibilities of abuse. Reason No. 5: The Wall Street bailout plan is a “knee-jerk reaction” and there may well be better alternatives for spending $700 billion of taxpayer money. The $700 billion plan is aimed at a very small segment of American employees — generally the group of people who have earned excessive income over many years and who live in “ivory towers.” Alan Meltzer, a economic advisor to President Ronald Reagan, summarized the situation saying, “This is scare tactics to try to do something that is in the private but not the public interest.” Reason No. 6: President Bush and Paulson have proposed a bailout plan even though they have no idea of what to do. Prior to committing $700 billion of taxpayer funds, our government should at least have a plan on what is going to be done with the money. Reason No. 7: The bailout plan will undoubtedly result in a weaker dollar with many adverse consequences for the American economy. David Woo, the Global Head of Foreign Exchange at Barclay’s in London, stated that “the downdraft on the dollar from the hit to the balance sheet of the U.S. government will dwarf the short-term gains from solving the banking crisis.” Reason No. 8: The bailout plan is unlikely to avoid a recession. Even experts who suggest there are long-term benefits to a bailout plan note that it could take the better part of a decade before beginning to show any impact on the U.S. economy. Reason No. 9: There is no transparency to the bailout plan. Lack of transparency is one reason our economy is in the position it finds itself today. Reason No. 10: Under the bailout plan Paulson and Bernanke intend for the U.S. to pay above- market prices for the assets that the country buys. Bernanke is urging that any bailout plan buy illiquid assets at values above those for which they could be sold on the open market. In other words, Bernanke wants the American people to overpay for Wall Street’s illiquid assets. Sound like a good idea to you? It doesn’t to me. Boyd Page, an Atlanta attorney, specializes in investment and securities litigation. Other Bailout Resources you should review before you surrender to Wall Street or Contact your Senators and Congressman The Wall Street Meltdown and Inequality http://extremeinequality.org/?p=82 10 Ways to Bail Out Wall Street (and Main Street) Without Soaking Taxpayers in Debt http://www.alternet.org/workplace/100223 Dean Baker: The Bailout Round II: Adult Version? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-b..._b_130418.html This is an Emergency, if ever there was one! Please Immediately Call and Email all your U.S. Senators and U.S. House Representative Today at every office. CONTACT INFORMATION for U.S. SENATE & HOUSE Senators http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...state&Sort=ASC House of Representatives http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml#mn if above doesn't work for you use link below http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-63874-0-...orderasc-.html Citizens you are making me PROUD to be a U.S. Citizen! No Wall Sereet Bailout! Keep the Heat on Congress, Inform them about what you've just learned, Voice your opinion to them, and remind them who they represent and work for!!! Sorry for being offtopic to some but this issue is just too important. There is a great fraud about to performed on American taxpayers. ted |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:58:25 -0700, wismel wrote:
.. This is beat to death on any of the political groups and you look as if you are unable to make an informed statement without copy and pasting this to a non political group not to mention cross posting it. I would love to read any original thoughts you might have on one of the groups this belongs in. Posting this these groups makes you look ignorant and foolish unless I have missed the humor that I can't find. |
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RLM wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:58:25 -0700, wismel wrote: . This is beat to death on any of the political groups and you look as if you are unable to make an informed statement without copy and pasting this to a non political group not to mention cross posting it. I would love to read any original thoughts you might have on one of the groups this belongs in. Posting this these groups makes you look ignorant and foolish unless I have missed the humor that I can't find. Right. |
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Jim wrote:
wrote: [....] Senators [....] House of Representatives [....] Sorry for being offtopic to some but this issue is just too important. There is a great fraud about to performed on American taxpayers. ted ROTFLMAO what do you mean "great fraud about to" be "performed"? You said it Dude! Rock on! |
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"R.S." Thursday, September 25, 2008 Sorry for being offtopic to some but this issue is just too important. 1) It's off topic. 2) It's badly outdated, thus... 3) It's flat-out wrong and deceptive. There is a great fraud about to performed on American taxpayers. No, you're not a great fraud. Just a small one. -- Ray Fischer |
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Jim wrote:
wrote: [....] Senators [....] House of Representatives [....] Sorry for being offtopic to some but this issue is just too important. There is a great fraud about to performed on American taxpayers. ted ROTFLMAO what do you mean "great fraud about to" be "performed"? there is not a single day that goes by when the people are not ripped a new one by the nasty yankee government. it is the job of any government of greed driven flesh to lie cheat and steal for the purpose of enriching themselves at the expense of their subjects or [tax paying modules]. people are natural and they reject the one who loves them and would bless them with great joy. Y'all better check on the folks who've been running this government for the last 30 years or so. The "Southern Strategy" which has kept the Repugnicant branch of the ruling plutocrat party in power is most certainly not "yankee". Y'alls need to stop fighting that war. read 1st Samuel 8:11 and on from there so as to gain the complete picture of what a government of flesh will do to those it governs. then look about and see those who are in great numbers who reject, rebuke and hate the Word of God as they do hate God Himself. when the founders of the yankee government set about in their task of creating a means by which a select few would rule over the lives of the many they thought to change the concept of one king and one privileged class family. in its place they enlarged the privileged class with the use of senators and a house of representatives with large budgets to support staff. they set themselves above the average man by voting themselves large paychecks as well as the means to tour the world at their [tax paying modules] expense. there are those who love their yankee government and will defend their yankee government by explaining debating and out right arguing. look and know your place as a servant of government. to be taxed and to support their large pay checks and their expensive life styles. and yes that airplane really was to small for nancy. only those who truly know God and have a one on one relationship with God can exist on this earth while LOL@ governments of greedy flesh because in knowing God one knows true freedom. I am proof of the falsehood of this syllogism. I do the latter without the former. -- "If God keeps hangin' around with politicians, it's gonna hurt his reputation." Molly Ivins |
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Elmo wrote:
Jim wrote: wrote: [....] Senators [....] House of Representatives [....] only those who truly know God and have a one on one relationship with God can exist on this earth while LOL@ governments of greedy flesh because in knowing God one knows true freedom. I am proof of the falsehood of this syllogism. I do the latter without the former. and that would be "LOL@ governments of greedy flesh" or the knowing of "true freedom"? |
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Jim wrote:
Elmo wrote: Jim wrote: wrote: [....] Senators [....] House of Representatives [....] only those who truly know God and have a one on one relationship with God can exist on this earth while LOL@ governments of greedy flesh because in knowing God one knows true freedom. I am proof of the falsehood of this syllogism. I do the latter without the former. and that would be "LOL@ governments of greedy flesh" or the knowing of "true freedom"? Technically, the "because" clause is an attempt to provide a proof of the stated hypothesis but since including it makes it a tautology, I ignored that part. However I do laugh at governments whether they be secular like nation states or religious like the organizations that govern churches. And I do know true freedom -- although I doubt you would agree on the definition since yours requires the notion of knowing God in a strictly Christian sense. -- Religion is a contrivance of partisanship. A lens to give focus and clarity to people's natural gift for hostility. -Thorax |
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Elmo wrote:
Jim wrote: Elmo wrote: Jim wrote: wrote: [....] Senators [....] House of Representatives [....] only those who truly know God and have a one on one relationship with God can exist on this earth while LOL@ governments of greedy flesh because in knowing God one knows true freedom. I am proof of the falsehood of this syllogism. I do the latter without the former. and that would be "LOL@ governments of greedy flesh" or the knowing of "true freedom"? Technically, the "because" clause is an attempt to provide a proof of the stated hypothesis but since including it makes it a tautology, I ignored that part. However I do laugh at governments whether they be secular like nation states or religious like the organizations that govern churches. And I do know true freedom -- although I doubt you would agree on the definition since yours requires the notion of knowing God in a strictly Christian sense. FU set |
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Elmo wrote:
and that would be "LOL@ governments of greedy flesh" or the knowing of "true freedom"? Technically, the "because" clause is an attempt to provide a proof of the stated hypothesis but since including it makes it a tautology, I ignored that part. However I do laugh at governments whether they be secular like nation states or religious like the organizations that govern churches. And I do know true freedom -- although I doubt you would agree on the definition since yours requires the notion of knowing God in a strictly Christian sense. You tell us! You got it!! Please expound on that. J- |
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Jason wrote:
Elmo wrote: and that would be "LOL@ governments of greedy flesh" or the knowing of "true freedom"? Technically, the "because" clause is an attempt to provide a proof of the stated hypothesis but since including it makes it a tautology, I ignored that part. However I do laugh at governments whether they be secular like nation states or religious like the organizations that govern churches. And I do know true freedom -- although I doubt you would agree on the definition since yours requires the notion of knowing God in a strictly Christian sense. You tell us! You got it!! Please expound on that. J- That would be proselytizing. It's against my religion. -- One genius of the system we live under is that the strategies required to survive it from day to day are exactly the opposite of what is required to change it. |
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Elmo wrote:
Jim wrote: Elmo wrote: Jim wrote: wrote: [....] Senators [....] House of Representatives [....] only those who truly know God and have a one on one relationship with God can exist on this earth while LOL@ governments of greedy flesh because in knowing God one knows true freedom. I am proof of the falsehood of this syllogism. I do the latter without the former. and that would be "LOL@ governments of greedy flesh" or the knowing of "true freedom"? Technically, the "because" clause is an attempt to provide a proof of the stated hypothesis but since including it makes it a tautology, I ignored that part. Elmo, after I spent some time in the dictionary I like what you just pointed out to me. for what I was saying the usage of the word 'because' was inappropriate as well as ill conceived. thank you for provoking clarity providing clarification. However I do laugh at governments whether they be secular like nation states or religious like the organizations that govern churches. most likely your laugh is drowned by my loud gawky honker of a laugh when I'm LOL at religion. my laughter concerning our national government has turned in recent days more to disgust. I can't get my loud gawky honker of a laugh to work right when I'm disgusted. And I do know true freedom -- although I doubt you would agree on the definition since yours requires the notion of knowing God in a strictly Christian sense. no, just knowing God through the teachings of Jesus. peace Elmo, Jim -- Religion is a contrivance of partisanship. A lens to give focus and clarity to people's natural gift for hostility. -Thorax |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:01:36 -0400, RLM wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:58:25 -0700, wismel wrote: . This is beat to death on any of the political groups and you look as if you are unable to make an informed statement without copy and pasting this to a non political group not to mention cross posting it. I would love to read any original thoughts you might have on one of the groups this belongs in. Posting this these groups makes you look ignorant and foolish unless I have missed the humor that I can't find. Seeing as this affects home owners, it is not that off topic. Blame Barny Frank and the dumocrats who refused to provide oversight to Fannie and Freddie. Financial experts have warned about this for at least a decade, but nobody listened. Loans were issued to unqualified people and in excess of what people could reasonably afford. Blame the greedy banks for deliberate fiscal stupidity. This bailout is a bandaid on cancer. It is a total waste of money and the homeowner is going to pay, bailout or no bailout. |
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Michael Dobony wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:01:36 -0400, RLM wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:58:25 -0700, wismel wrote: . This is beat to death on any of the political groups and you look as if you are unable to make an informed statement without copy and pasting this to a non political group not to mention cross posting it. I would love to read any original thoughts you might have on one of the groups this belongs in. Posting this these groups makes you look ignorant and foolish unless I have missed the humor that I can't find. Seeing as this affects home owners, it is not that off topic. Seeing as how this has nothing to do with photography it clearly IS off topic. Blame Barny Frank and the dumocrats who refused to provide oversight to Fannie and Typical neocon bigotry. -- Ray Fischer |
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C J Campbell wrote:
On 2008-10-01 05:58:25 -0700, said: Sorry for being offtopic to some but this issue is just too important. There is a great fraud about to performed on American taxpayers. ted You are right. It is off topic. I prefer to get my information on economics from reliable journals over Usenet. And yes, there is a great fraud being performed. By you. C'mon, Eagle. Set Followups outta here. |
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![]() Seeing as this affects home owners, it is not that off topic. Blame Barny Frank and the dumocrats who refused to provide oversight to Fannie and Freddie. Financial experts have warned about this for at least a decade, but nobody listened. Loans were issued to unqualified people and in excess of what people could reasonably afford. Blame the greedy banks for deliberate fiscal stupidity. This bailout is a bandaid on cancer. It is a total waste of money and the homeowner is going to pay, bailout or no bailout. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOVXh4xM-Ww and then, http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/ click on: 'FACTOR' FACE-OFF |
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On Oct 4, 11:28�pm, Michael Dobony wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:01:36 -0400, RLM wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:58:25 -0700, wismel wrote: . This is beat to death on any of the political groups and you look as if you are unable to make an informed statement without copy and pasting this to a non political group not to mention cross posting it. I would love to read any original thoughts you might have on one of the groups this belongs in. Posting this these groups makes you look ignorant and foolish unless I have missed the humor that I can't find. Seeing as this affects home owners, it is not that off topic. �Blame Barny Frank and the dumocrats who refused to provide oversight to Fannie and Freddie. �Financial experts have warned about this for at least a decade, but nobody listened. �Loans were issued to unqualified people and in excess of what people could reasonably afford. �Blame the greedy banks for deliberate fiscal stupidity. �This bailout is a bandaid on cancer.. �It is a total waste of money and the homeowner is going to pay, bailout or no bailout. yeah i dont believe this bailout will work any better than the previous ones...... congress liked it for special intersts... special wood arrowhead tax bereaks etc |
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In message , Jim
writes only those who truly know God and have a one on one relationship with God can exist on this earth while LOL@ governments of greedy flesh because in knowing God one knows true freedom. When you say God do you mean God or are you a Christian? -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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In message , Elmo
writes churches. And I do know true freedom -- although I doubt you would agree on the definition since yours requires the notion of knowing God in a strictly Christian sense. But God isn't a Christian..... is she? -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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In message , Jim
writes And I do know true freedom -- although I doubt you would agree on the definition since yours requires the notion of knowing God in a strictly Christian sense. no, just knowing God through the teachings of Jesus. But Jesus didn't know God... Jesus was a Christian.. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ |
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Chris H wrote:
Jim wrote: only those who truly know God and have a one on one relationship with God can exist on this earth while LOL@ governments of greedy flesh because in knowing God one knows true freedom. When you say God do you mean God or are you a Christian? the word Christian is a label. 1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. men have always needed labels so as to be able to quickly identify. [if] I had written 1Pe 4:16 I would have used the words 'follower of the teachings of Jesus' in the place of the word 'Christian'. the words 'follower of the teachings of Jesus' imply doing the things Jesus taught. summarization, love God, trust God, love others as yourself. my laughter at governments of greedy flesh is only attainable through trusting God and in knowing how it is that God Himself has already delivered me by way of the work and doings of Jesus. if you need the use of the label then label me Christian and if you need to hate me for that then so be it. |
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Jim wrote:
my laughter at governments of greedy flesh is only attainable through trusting God and in knowing how it is that God Himself has already delivered me by way of the work and doings of Jesus. if you need the use of the label then label me Christian and if you need to hate me for that then so be it. Why would anyone bother to hate you for something so asinine as belief in Christianity? or Judaism, Islam and Hinduism? All of these religions are based on mans awakening intelligence and questioning of their existence. As science proved inexorably, the origins of the universe and man, even if created by God, are much more complex and profound than the superstitious ramblings of the various organized religions. The only 'organized' religion that makes any sense at all for human beings who want peace and happiness is Buddhism. And at that it has a couple flaky edges itself... It's much easier to be an atheist and actually do things to help people irregardless of their creed or religion and especially not to shove my beliefs down their throats. As to the wall street issue, gee, wasn't all this deregulation and dilution of oversight the crown achievement of the right wing, Christian fundamentalist Republicans? Ah, yes, that is so... |
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:39:15 -0400, Jim wrote:
Jason wrote: Jim wrote: my laughter at governments of greedy flesh is only attainable through trusting God and in knowing how it is that God Himself has already delivered me by way of the work and doings of Jesus. if you need the use of the label then label me Christian and if you need to hate me for that then so be it. Why would anyone bother to hate you [....] As to the wall street issue, gee, wasn't all this deregulation and dilution of oversight the crown achievement of the right wing, Christian fundamentalist Republicans? Ah, yes, that is so... having a place to locate the blame for your dissatisfaction has enabled you to feel all better now, right? Does blaming the "Yankees" make you feel better? |
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Jason wrote:
Jim wrote: my laughter at governments of greedy flesh is only attainable through trusting God and in knowing how it is that God Himself has already delivered me by way of the work and doings of Jesus. if you need the use of the label then label me Christian and if you need to hate me for that then so be it. Why would anyone bother to hate you [....] As to the wall street issue, gee, wasn't all this deregulation and dilution of oversight the crown achievement of the right wing, Christian fundamentalist Republicans? Ah, yes, that is so... having a place to locate the blame for your dissatisfaction has enabled you to feel all better now, right? |
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Ann wrote:
Jim wrote: Jason wrote: Jim wrote: my laughter at governments of greedy flesh is only attainable through trusting God and in knowing how it is that God Himself has already delivered me by way of the work and doings of Jesus. if you need the use of the label then label me Christian and if you need to hate me for that then so be it. Why would anyone bother to hate you [....] As to the wall street issue, gee, wasn't all this deregulation and dilution of oversight the crown achievement of the right wing, Christian fundamentalist Republicans? Ah, yes, that is so... having a place to locate the blame for your dissatisfaction has enabled you to feel all better now, right? Does blaming the "Yankees" make you feel better? when appropriate, yes. |
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Ann wrote: having a place to locate the blame for your dissatisfaction has enabled you to feel all better now, right? Does blaming the "Yankees" make you feel better? Only since the Steinbrenners took over. |
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