On 11/20/2020 12:31 PM, nosocialism wrote:
If I lived in that state that outlawed a two-handled faucet, I would
consider moving to a different state. The Nanny State needs to be
outlawed!!!!!!


You may have to move to Russia
Are Two and Three handle Shower Faucets Illegal ..
mcadamsplumbing.com ۼ two-three-handle-faucets-ille...
The Uniform Plumbing Code and International Building Code, in accordance
with ASSE 1016, require that all tub/shower faucets now be of the
pressure balance or the thermostatic mixing valve type. Two and three
valve handles are not. The purpose for this is to prevent serious harm
from hot water scalding.

On 11/20/2020 2:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/20/2020 12:31 PM, nosocialism wrote:
If I lived in that state that outlawed a two-handled faucet, I would
consider moving to a different state. The Nanny State needs to be
outlawed!!!!!!


You may have to move to Russia
Are Two and Three handle Shower Faucets Illegal ..
mcadamsplumbing.com ۼ two-three-handle-faucets-ille...
The Uniform Plumbing Code and International Building Code, in accordance
with ASSE 1016, require that all tub/shower faucets now be of the
pressure balance or the thermostatic mixing valve type. Two and three
valve handles are not. The purpose for this is to prevent serious harm
from hot water scalding.

Completely understand the code and that's for new construction. They
won't be making people change over if their fixture has the original
two/three handle faucet. Otherwise, they better be willing to pay to
have it updated.

On 11/20/20 3:09 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 11/20/2020 2:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/20/2020 12:31 PM, nosocialism wrote:
If I lived in that state that outlawed a two-handled faucet, I would
consider moving to a different state. The Nanny State needs to be
outlawed!!!!!!


You may have to move to Russia
Are Two and Three handle Shower Faucets Illegal ..
mcadamsplumbing.com ۼ two-three-handle-faucets-ille...
The Uniform Plumbing Code and International Building Code, in
accordance with ASSE 1016, require that all tub/shower faucets now be
of the pressure balance or the thermostatic mixing valve type. Two and
three valve handles are not. The purpose for this is to prevent
serious harm from hot water scalding.

Completely understand the code and that's for new construction. They
won't be making people change over if their fixture has the original
two/three handle faucet. Otherwise, they better be willing to pay to
have it updated.

FWIW, our 1950s shower had 4 handles ! Shower and tub were separate.
When the original recently broke and was irreparable, it cost about
$1000 in parts and labor to have it replaced with a single handle.

The labor was a bear due to the way the pipes for the 4 handle had to be
re-worked, and working in the back of the closet where we could get to
the pipes, etc. Also needed some tile work.

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 16:26:29 -0500, wrote:

On 11/20/20 3:09 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 11/20/2020 2:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/20/2020 12:31 PM, nosocialism wrote:
If I lived in that state that outlawed a two-handled faucet, I would
consider moving to a different state. The Nanny State needs to be
outlawed!!!!!!


You may have to move to Russia
Are Two and Three handle Shower Faucets Illegal ..
mcadamsplumbing.com ۼ two-three-handle-faucets-ille...
The Uniform Plumbing Code and International Building Code, in
accordance with ASSE 1016, require that all tub/shower faucets now be
of the pressure balance or the thermostatic mixing valve type. Two and
three valve handles are not. The purpose for this is to prevent
serious harm from hot water scalding.

Completely understand the code and that's for new construction. They
won't be making people change over if their fixture has the original
two/three handle faucet. Otherwise, they better be willing to pay to
have it updated.

FWIW, our 1950s shower had 4 handles ! Shower and tub were separate.
When the original recently broke and was irreparable, it cost about
$1000 in parts and labor to have it replaced with a single handle.

The labor was a bear due to the way the pipes for the 4 handle had to be
re-worked, and working in the back of the closet where we could get to
the pipes, etc. Also needed some tile work.

What broke that couldn't be fixed? That was the beauty of those old
brass fixtures. They could be fixed. Home depot might not have the
stems and seats but you can find them online.

On 11/20/20 7:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 16:26:29 -0500, wrote:

On 11/20/20 3:09 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 11/20/2020 2:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/20/2020 12:31 PM, nosocialism wrote:
If I lived in that state that outlawed a two-handled faucet, I would
consider moving to a different state. The Nanny State needs to be
outlawed!!!!!!


You may have to move to Russia
Are Two and Three handle Shower Faucets Illegal ..
mcadamsplumbing.com ۼ two-three-handle-faucets-ille...
The Uniform Plumbing Code and International Building Code, in
accordance with ASSE 1016, require that all tub/shower faucets now be
of the pressure balance or the thermostatic mixing valve type. Two and
three valve handles are not. The purpose for this is to prevent
serious harm from hot water scalding.

Completely understand the code and that's for new construction. They
won't be making people change over if their fixture has the original
two/three handle faucet. Otherwise, they better be willing to pay to
have it updated.

FWIW, our 1950s shower had 4 handles ! Shower and tub were separate.
When the original recently broke and was irreparable, it cost about
$1000 in parts and labor to have it replaced with a single handle.

The labor was a bear due to the way the pipes for the 4 handle had to be
re-worked, and working in the back of the closet where we could get to
the pipes, etc. Also needed some tile work.

What broke that couldn't be fixed? That was the beauty of those old
brass fixtures. They could be fixed. Home depot might not have the
stems and seats but you can find them online.

While investigating a small leak into the basement, we found that one of
the "cylinders" that the stem screwed into was corroded at its junction
with the main valve body. From residue built up under the valve, it
appears it was leaking slowly for several (many?) years.

When we tried to unthread the "cylinder" from the base, it broke away
and the corrosion damage to the body meant we had to replace the whole
thing.

On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 20:01:28 -0500, wrote:

On 11/20/20 7:31 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 16:26:29 -0500, wrote:

On 11/20/20 3:09 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 11/20/2020 2:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/20/2020 12:31 PM, nosocialism wrote:
If I lived in that state that outlawed a two-handled faucet, I would
consider moving to a different state. The Nanny State needs to be
outlawed!!!!!!


You may have to move to Russia
Are Two and Three handle Shower Faucets Illegal ..
mcadamsplumbing.com › two-three-handle-faucets-ille...
The Uniform Plumbing Code and International Building Code, in
accordance with ASSE 1016, require that all tub/shower faucets now be
of the pressure balance or the thermostatic mixing valve type. Two and
three valve handles are not. The purpose for this is to prevent
serious harm from hot water scalding.

Completely understand the code and that's for new construction. They
won't be making people change over if their fixture has the original
two/three handle faucet. Otherwise, they better be willing to pay to
have it updated.

FWIW, our 1950s shower had 4 handles ! Shower and tub were separate.
When the original recently broke and was irreparable, it cost about
$1000 in parts and labor to have it replaced with a single handle.

The labor was a bear due to the way the pipes for the 4 handle had to be
re-worked, and working in the back of the closet where we could get to
the pipes, etc. Also needed some tile work.

What broke that couldn't be fixed? That was the beauty of those old
brass fixtures. They could be fixed. Home depot might not have the
stems and seats but you can find them online.

While investigating a small leak into the basement, we found that one of
the "cylinders" that the stem screwed into was corroded at its junction
with the main valve body. From residue built up under the valve, it
appears it was leaking slowly for several (many?) years.

When we tried to unthread the "cylinder" from the base, it broke away
and the corrosion damage to the body meant we had to replace the whole
thing.

The 2 handle shower is still legal if you have a "tempering valve" at
the water heater - a code requirement up here. If I have a plumber
replace the tank next time he will have to install the valve. If I do
it myself it can stay the way it is for another cycle or untill I
sell the house (if the HI finds it and the new buyers require it)

The Uniform Plumbing Code and International Building Code, in accordance with ASSE 1016, require that all tub/shower faucets now be of the pressure balance or the thermostatic mixing valve type. Two and three valve handles are not. The purpose for this is to prevent serious harm from hot water scalding.

The exact text from the Uniform Plumbing Code book, ISSN 0733-2335, states in section 420.0 €“ SHOWER
AND TUB/SHOWER COMBINATION CONTROL VALVES:

€œShowers and tub/shower combinations in all buildings shall be provided with individual control valves of the pressure balance or the thermostatic mixing valve type. Gang showers, when supplied with a single temperature controlled water supply pipe, may be controlled by a master thermostatic mixing valve in lieu of individually controlled pressure balance or thermostatic mixing valves.€� (pg. 30-31).

So what does this all mean to you? Well, if you have a 2 or 3 handle tub/shower valve currently in your home, you have been grandfathered in and you dont need to immediately replace it. However, if something goes wrong with that valve and it must be replaced, you will have to do so with a single handle pressure balanced or thermostatically controlled valve.

While you can still purchase these two or three handle faucets online and from some suppliers and install them yourself, or have a non licensed plumbing professional install them, we wouldnt recommend this. This devalues your home and puts your family at risk of severe water scalding. Let a licensed professional do the necessary work to make sure your home is repaired to code and under a solid warranty.

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 14:01:18 +0000, jane doe
wrote:

The Uniform Plumbing Code and International Building Code, in accordance with ASSE 1016, require that all tub/shower faucets now be of the pressure balance or the thermostatic mixing valve type. Two and three valve handles are not. The purpose for this is to prevent serious harm from hot water scalding.

The exact text from the Uniform Plumbing Code book, ISSN 0733-2335, states in section 420.0 – SHOWER
AND TUB/SHOWER COMBINATION CONTROL VALVES:

“Showers and tub/shower combinations in all buildings shall be provided with individual control valves of the pressure balance or the thermostatic mixing valve type. Gang showers, when supplied with a single temperature controlled water supply pipe, may be controlled by a master thermostatic mixing valve in lieu of individually controlled pressure balance or thermostatic mixing valves.” (pg. 30-31).

So what does this all mean to you? Well, if you have a 2 or 3 handle tub/shower valve currently in your home, you have been grandfathered in and you don’t need to immediately replace it. However, if something goes wrong with that valve and it must be replaced, you will have to do so with a single handle pressure balanced or thermostatically controlled valve.

Which CAN be a 2 handle or 3 handle type - they DO make and sell
them. Also a tempering valve at the water heater that limits the max
water temp can eliminate the requirement fot the thermostatically
controlled shower unit - at least here in Ontario where THEY are a
requirement. If I have a plumber replace my water heate rhe HAS to
install the tempering valve. If I install it myself I can just replace
it as is

While you can still purchase these two or three handle faucets online and from some suppliers and install them yourself, or have a non licensed plumbing professional install them, we wouldn’t recommend this. This devalues your home and puts your family at risk of severe water scalding. Let a licensed professional do the necessary work to make sure your home is repaired to code and under a solid warranty.

On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 10:01:23 AM UTC-4, jane doe wrote:
The Uniform Plumbing Code and International Building Code, in accordance with ASSE 1016, require that all tub/shower faucets now be of the pressure balance or the thermostatic mixing valve type. Two and three valve handles are not. The purpose for this is to prevent serious harm from hot water scalding.
The exact text from the Uniform Plumbing Code book, ISSN 0733-2335, states in section 420.0 €“ SHOWER
AND TUB/SHOWER COMBINATION CONTROL VALVES:

€œShowers and tub/shower combinations in all buildings shall be provided with individual control valves of the pressure balance or the thermostatic mixing valve type. Gang showers, when supplied with a single temperature controlled water supply pipe, may be controlled by a master thermostatic mixing valve in lieu of individually controlled pressure balance or thermostatic mixing valves.€� (pg. 30-31).

So what does this all mean to you? Well, if you have a 2 or 3 handle tub/shower valve currently in your home, you have been grandfathered in and you dont need to immediately replace it. However, if something goes wrong with that valve and it must be replaced, you will have to do so with a single handle pressure balanced or thermostatically controlled valve.

Sounds dubious to me. I can see it as a requirement if the shower/tub is being replaced,
it's a bathroom remodel, etc. But not if it's just that the old valve needs to be replaced.
And whatever it is, it's always up to the local or state authority that has jurisdiction as
to if it's OK or not.

In article ,
says...

Sounds dubious to me. I can see it as a requirement if the shower/tub is being replaced,
it's a bathroom remodel, etc. But not if it's just that the old valve needs to be replaced.
And whatever it is, it's always up to the local or state authority that has jurisdiction as
to if it's OK or not.






I hate those one valve showers. Seems that the mix is often too cold
for me . Especially in the winter time where the incomming water is
much colder. I would rather take my chances of the water comming out
too hot. As long as you tell others in the house not to use the water
it is mostly safe.

On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 11:45:25 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 10:01:23 AM UTC-4, jane doe wrote:
The Uniform Plumbing Code and International Building Code, in accordance with ASSE 1016, require that all tub/shower faucets now be of the pressure balance or the thermostatic mixing valve type. Two and three valve handles are not. The purpose for this is to prevent serious harm from hot water scalding.
The exact text from the Uniform Plumbing Code book, ISSN 0733-2335, states in section 420.0 €“ SHOWER
AND TUB/SHOWER COMBINATION CONTROL VALVES:

€œShowers and tub/shower combinations in all buildings shall be provided with individual control valves of the pressure balance or the thermostatic mixing valve type. Gang showers, when supplied with a single temperature controlled water supply pipe, may be controlled by a master thermostatic mixing valve in lieu of individually
controlled pressure balance or thermostatic mixing valves.€� (pg. 30-31).

So what does this all mean to you? Well, if you have a 2 or 3 handle tub/shower valve currently in your home, you have been grandfathered in and you dont need to immediately replace it. However, if something goes wrong with that valve and it must be replaced, you will have to do so with a single handle pressure balanced or
thermostatically controlled valve.

Sounds dubious to me. I can see it as a requirement if the shower/tub is being replaced,
it's a bathroom remodel, etc. But not if it's just that the old valve needs to be replaced.
And whatever it is, it's always up to the local or state authority that has jurisdiction as
to if it's OK or not.

If you get a permit and the valve is replaced it will have to be a
current code valve in most places. If the old valve body remains and
it is just "repaired" it can stay.
Without a permit, it is up to how much your "plumber" values his
license if he has one.

On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 16:20:16 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

Sounds dubious to me. I can see it as a requirement if the shower/tub is being replaced,
it's a bathroom remodel, etc. But not if it's just that the old valve needs to be replaced.
And whatever it is, it's always up to the local or state authority that has jurisdiction as
to if it's OK or not.






I hate those one valve showers. Seems that the mix is often too cold
for me . Especially in the winter time where the incomming water is
much colder. I would rather take my chances of the water comming out
too hot. As long as you tell others in the house not to use the water
it is mostly safe.

You can go it and crank up the heat on those valves. You usually
remove the handle and rotate the plastic disk that limits the travel
or sets the balance. I just set mine up wide open and use the common
sense you were given.

In article ,
says...

If you get a permit and the valve is replaced it will have to be a
current code valve in most places. If the old valve body remains and
it is just "repaired" it can stay.
Without a permit, it is up to how much your "plumber" values his
license if he has one.



Glad we can do our own electrical and plumbing work with out a permit or
contractor in most cases for repairs. Even some new additions to the
house like another outlet or light.

On 6/11/2021 6:58 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
If you get a permit and the valve is replaced it will have to be a
current code valve in most places. If the old valve body remains and
it is just "repaired" it can stay.
Without a permit, it is up to how much your "plumber" values his
license if he has one.


Glad we can do our own electrical and plumbing work with out a permit or
contractor in most cases for repairs. Even some new additions to the
house like another outlet or light.


Guy down the street swapped out a water heater and put the old one by the curb for garbage pickup.

AHJ nazi drove by and saw the old heater and wrote the homeowner up for no permit.


Moral of the story is don't set the old heater out in front of your own house.

On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 18:58:59 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

If you get a permit and the valve is replaced it will have to be a
current code valve in most places. If the old valve body remains and
it is just "repaired" it can stay.
Without a permit, it is up to how much your "plumber" values his
license if he has one.



Glad we can do our own electrical and plumbing work with out a permit or
contractor in most cases for repairs. Even some new additions to the
house like another outlet or light.

That is why I said "if you get a permit". There are AHJs that want
permits for replacing electrical devices and any plumbing that
requires opening up pipes will as well.
Water heaters are usually what gets you in trouble in those places
tho. An old water heater on the curb with no record of a permit might
get a knock on your door but that is just easier to detect. It really
just depends on how hungry the AHJ is.