"SteveB" wrote in message
I like to move the grill around too much, and am drawing plans for a
thirty five foot tall deck, so would be taking it up there for cookouts.
If you are going to leave the grill in one place, yes, by all means, plumb
it in. Safer, easier, better. We have different areas, so mobility is a
prime consideration.

50' garden hose can fix all of that

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
If it was my house, easy choice. Go with propane. And then get a vented
wall
heater for the living room. Propane is usually cheaper than electric. And
the propane works during power cuts.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org

I have a cabin seven miles east of Cedar City, Utah. It was made in 1987,
and electrifried in 1995. It had a propane fridge, and still has the
original propane lights. Propane stove and water heater, too. When the
electricity goes out, we're good to go except the satellite dish. Lights,
stove, hot water, wood stove. Don't know if I want a generator or not.
It's nice for things to be silent occasionally. Time to go up soon and see
if we can drive through the snow drifts and start using it. Come on,
spring.

Steve

"Paul M. Eldridge" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:36:47 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:

As you say, better temperature control is supposedly one key
advantage, although I can't honestly say I've noticed any difference.

Then you haven't cooked very much. With gas, it's on or it's off. Or
it's
on just a little. Or it's on a lot. You can visually look at it and see
what it's doing.

I realize gas ovens cycle on and off (as do electric) and greater
variation in cooking temperature is possible (or so I'm told), but
having used both I've never found it to be a problem. Perhaps some
models have more accurate controls than others, or maybe newer ranges
in general work better than their older counterparts -- I really don't
know. All I can tell you is that I've never had reason to complain.

And for those less fortunate, help might be found he

http://www.ehow.com/how_8260_check-adjust-ovens.html

Cheers,
Paul

Ovens can vary wildly simply by their configuration. Placement of air
channels. Thickness and types of metals. Size and shape of burners. Lots
of things. Ovens are a different animal. I'm mainly talking about burners.
What you see is what you get. And once you get used to it, you can set it
instantly, and it doesn't take it ten minutes to finally adjust to that new
temperature setting.

It's a coin flip with electric vs. gas ovens.

And I think there's a huge difference with ovens, just like burners. A
person who bakes a lot will be better at setting, maintaining, and
recognizing temperatures than the occasional baker.

Steve

"Pete C." wrote in message
...
"Paul M. Eldridge" wrote:

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:36:47 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:

As you say, better temperature control is supposedly one key
advantage, although I can't honestly say I've noticed any
difference.

Then you haven't cooked very much. With gas, it's on or it's off. Or
it's
on just a little. Or it's on a lot. You can visually look at it and
see
what it's doing.

I realize gas ovens cycle on and off (as do electric) and greater
variation in cooking temperature is possible (or so I'm told), but
having used both I've never found it to be a problem. Perhaps some
models have more accurate controls than others, or maybe newer ranges
in general work better than their older counterparts -- I really don't
know. All I can tell you is that I've never had reason to complain.

And for those less fortunate, help might be found he

http://www.ehow.com/how_8260_check-adjust-ovens.html

Cheers,
Paul

From what I've seen, electric ovens tend to have better controls than
gas ovens do. Dual fuel is the way to go whether it's a dual fuel range,
or a gas cooktop and electric wall ovens.

Have that combo of gas cooktop, electric oven in one of my houses now, and
love it. Will do it again on this remodel. The prices and availability of
stand alone gas wall ovens is high, and the venting/ducting is VERY
different cost and code wise.

Steve

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
t...

"SteveB" wrote in message
...
I live in a rural area currently with electric only. No pun intended.
There are rumors of nat. gas coming soon, but who knows when. We want a
gas stove. Am considering propane. I have a propane stove at the cabin
and it works fine. Heats fast, bakes good. We don't use it a lot, not
nearly as much as we would at the primary house.

For those who have/have had both propane and natural gas, is it worth it
to wait for the natural gas, or just do the propane thing. And then
convert when it gets there if we choose to?

I certainly like propane for grilling, but can't compare as I have never
used nat. for outdoor cooking. Is there a big difference in that?


Steve

Last house had natural gas. I grew up with gas appliances. Moved here
and had electric. Hated it so we went to propane. No noticeable
difference between the two. You can always convert when the time comes.
Put in a line for the gill while you are at it.


I like to move the grill around too much, and am drawing plans for a thirty
five foot tall deck, so would be taking it up there for cookouts. If you
are going to leave the grill in one place, yes, by all means, plumb it in.
Safer, easier, better. We have different areas, so mobility is a prime
consideration.

Steve

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:07:07 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:

"SteveB" wrote in message
I like to move the grill around too much, and am drawing plans for a
thirty five foot tall deck, so would be taking it up there for cookouts.
If you are going to leave the grill in one place, yes, by all means, plumb
it in. Safer, easier, better. We have different areas, so mobility is a
prime consideration.

50' garden hose can fix all of that

Or multiple quick disconnects if there are only one or two places
where you're likely to move it (gas lines hidden underneath the deck
-- no tripping hazard and out of sight). You might also consider
installing a power outlet at the same time to operate a rotisserie or
BBQ lamp after dark.

Cheers,
Paul

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:34:48 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:

Ovens can vary wildly simply by their configuration. Placement of air
channels. Thickness and types of metals. Size and shape of burners. Lots
of things. Ovens are a different animal. I'm mainly talking about burners.
What you see is what you get. And once you get used to it, you can set it
instantly, and it doesn't take it ten minutes to finally adjust to that new
temperature setting.

It's a coin flip with electric vs. gas ovens.

And I think there's a huge difference with ovens, just like burners. A
person who bakes a lot will be better at setting, maintaining, and
recognizing temperatures than the occasional baker.

Steve

Hi Steve,

I fully agree with you with regards to the cook top; no question, gas
provides much better control. My comments were strictly with respect
to the oven portion and, again, I've never had any issues with
accuracy or temperature control with either gas or electric. Chalk it
up to either low culinary standards or extraordinary good luck. :-)

If I had access to natural gas, I would opt for an all gas unit, if
for no other reason than to free up space on my main [100-amp] panel.
However, as I'm currently restricted to either propane and/or
electric, a dual fuel range is my preferred option. An all electric
would be a distant third.

Cheers,
Paul

nat gas alot cheeper to use than propane,they both cook the same . you
dont have to buy tanks of nat gas . if your just cooking with gas ,
propane may be cheeper than getting the line to and in your house.

http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm

SteveB wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
If it was my house, easy choice. Go with propane. And then get a vented
wall
heater for the living room. Propane is usually cheaper than electric. And
the propane works during power cuts.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org

I have a cabin seven miles east of Cedar City, Utah. It was made in 1987,
and electrifried in 1995. It had a propane fridge, and still has the
original propane lights. Propane stove and water heater, too. When the
electricity goes out, we're good to go except the satellite dish. Lights,
stove, hot water, wood stove. Don't know if I want a generator or not.
It's nice for things to be silent occasionally. Time to go up soon and see
if we can drive through the snow drifts and start using it. Come on,
spring.

Steve

If the cabin is non electric beyond the satellite stuff, it sounds like
a good candidate for solar and / or wind setup since it is a relatively
small load. Check out stuff at homepower.com for ideas.

"Paul M. Eldridge" wrote:

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:07:07 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:

"SteveB" wrote in message
I like to move the grill around too much, and am drawing plans for a
thirty five foot tall deck, so would be taking it up there for cookouts.
If you are going to leave the grill in one place, yes, by all means, plumb
it in. Safer, easier, better. We have different areas, so mobility is a
prime consideration.

50' garden hose can fix all of that

Or multiple quick disconnects if there are only one or two places
where you're likely to move it (gas lines hidden underneath the deck
-- no tripping hazard and out of sight). You might also consider
installing a power outlet at the same time to operate a rotisserie or
BBQ lamp after dark.

Quick connects also eliminate the weight of lugging an LP tank around
with the grill. LP can be plumbed around just as easily as NG.

"Pete C." wrote in message
...
SteveB wrote:

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
If it was my house, easy choice. Go with propane. And then get a vented
wall
heater for the living room. Propane is usually cheaper than electric.
And
the propane works during power cuts.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org

I have a cabin seven miles east of Cedar City, Utah. It was made in
1987,
and electrifried in 1995. It had a propane fridge, and still has the
original propane lights. Propane stove and water heater, too. When the
electricity goes out, we're good to go except the satellite dish.
Lights,
stove, hot water, wood stove. Don't know if I want a generator or not.
It's nice for things to be silent occasionally. Time to go up soon and
see
if we can drive through the snow drifts and start using it. Come on,
spring.

Steve

If the cabin is non electric beyond the satellite stuff, it sounds like
a good candidate for solar and / or wind setup since it is a relatively
small load. Check out stuff at homepower.com for ideas.

Nah, it's electric. About $72k to bring the electricity in 1995.

Stove