The prior owner of my house did a lot of interior painting in the year
before I bought the place. The leftover paint cans are marked with info like
"2003 - Living Room Trim", so I'm sure of the time factor. He used Behr and
Sears Easy Living paints. I bought the place in 2004, and immediately bought
some Devoe and Martin-Senour Pro-Line paints. The cans have been stored
alongside his since then, and the basement's dry.

The lids and edges of his old cans are completely rusted & phuqued up and
the paint is deteriorating. Mine are free of any kind of corrosion and still
sealed well. I know that some people abuse the lid & can edges by battering
them during opening & closing, but I don't think that's enough to explain
the situation.

I wonder if, in addition to getting better paint when you spend a little
more money, you also get a container that lasts longer, so a few years
later, the paint is still useful.

Or, there's another conclusion and never mind.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
The prior owner of my house did a lot of interior painting in the year
before I bought the place. The leftover paint cans are marked with info like
"2003 - Living Room Trim", so I'm sure of the time factor. He used Behr and
Sears Easy Living paints. I bought the place in 2004, and immediately bought
some Devoe and Martin-Senour Pro-Line paints. The cans have been stored
alongside his since then, and the basement's dry.

The lids and edges of his old cans are completely rusted & phuqued up and
the paint is deteriorating. Mine are free of any kind of corrosion and still
sealed well. I know that some people abuse the lid & can edges by battering
them during opening & closing, but I don't think that's enough to explain
the situation.

I wonder if, in addition to getting better paint when you spend a little
more money, you also get a container that lasts longer, so a few years
later, the paint is still useful.

Or, there's another conclusion and never mind.


I doubt that better paint comes in better cans but most metal containers
are lined and as you point out scraping or scratching the coating would
break through to the metal. When I have less than a quart of paint to
store, I put in old mason jars with seal and it keeps for a long time.

On Jan 8, 11:11*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
The prior owner of my house did a lot of interior painting in the year
before I bought the place. The leftover paint cans are marked with info like
"2003 - Living Room Trim", so I'm sure of the time factor. He used Behr and
Sears Easy Living paints. I bought the place in 2004, and immediately bought
some Devoe and Martin-Senour Pro-Line paints. The cans have been stored
alongside his since then, and the basement's dry.

The lids and edges of his old cans are completely rusted & phuqued up and
the paint is deteriorating. Mine are free of any kind of corrosion and still
sealed well. I know that some people abuse the lid & can edges by battering
them during opening & closing, but I don't think that's enough to explain
the situation.

I wonder if, in addition to getting better paint when you spend a little
more money, you also get a container that lasts longer, so a few years
later, the paint is still useful.

Or, there's another conclusion and never mind.

rust would be a humid basement as concrete releases moisture and can
ruin a can on the floor, but after a few years the paint wont match
anyway since its aging on your walls so maybe junk it.

"ransley" wrote in message
...
On Jan 8, 11:11 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
The prior owner of my house did a lot of interior painting in the year
before I bought the place. The leftover paint cans are marked with info
like
"2003 - Living Room Trim", so I'm sure of the time factor. He used Behr
and
Sears Easy Living paints. I bought the place in 2004, and immediately
bought
some Devoe and Martin-Senour Pro-Line paints. The cans have been stored
alongside his since then, and the basement's dry.

The lids and edges of his old cans are completely rusted & phuqued up and
the paint is deteriorating. Mine are free of any kind of corrosion and
still
sealed well. I know that some people abuse the lid & can edges by
battering
them during opening & closing, but I don't think that's enough to explain
the situation.

I wonder if, in addition to getting better paint when you spend a little
more money, you also get a container that lasts longer, so a few years
later, the paint is still useful.

Or, there's another conclusion and never mind.

rust would be a humid basement as concrete releases moisture and can
ruin a can on the floor, but after a few years the paint wont match
anyway since its aging on your walls so maybe junk it.

========================

My paint's been stored right next to his in the same basement. Please try
and comprehend what people have written, ransley.

On Jan 8, 11:46*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"ransley" wrote in message

...
On Jan 8, 11:11 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





The prior owner of my house did a lot of interior painting in the year
before I bought the place. The leftover paint cans are marked with info
like
"2003 - Living Room Trim", so I'm sure of the time factor. He used Behr
and
Sears Easy Living paints. I bought the place in 2004, and immediately
bought
some Devoe and Martin-Senour Pro-Line paints. The cans have been stored
alongside his since then, and the basement's dry.

The lids and edges of his old cans are completely rusted & phuqued up and
the paint is deteriorating. Mine are free of any kind of corrosion and
still
sealed well. I know that some people abuse the lid & can edges by
battering
them during opening & closing, but I don't think that's enough to explain
the situation.

I wonder if, in addition to getting better paint when you spend a little
more money, you also get a container that lasts longer, so a few years
later, the paint is still useful.

Or, there's another conclusion and never mind.

rust would be a humid basement as concrete releases moisture and can
ruin a can on the floor, but after a few years the paint wont match
anyway since its aging on your walls so maybe junk it.

========================

My paint's been stored right next to his in the same basement. Please try
and comprehend what people have written, ransley.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Be an ass Joe which you are, his paint has been there one year longer
or cant you figure this one out for yourself

"ransley" wrote in message
...
On Jan 8, 11:46 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"ransley" wrote in message

...
On Jan 8, 11:11 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





The prior owner of my house did a lot of interior painting in the year
before I bought the place. The leftover paint cans are marked with info
like
"2003 - Living Room Trim", so I'm sure of the time factor. He used Behr
and
Sears Easy Living paints. I bought the place in 2004, and immediately
bought
some Devoe and Martin-Senour Pro-Line paints. The cans have been stored
alongside his since then, and the basement's dry.

The lids and edges of his old cans are completely rusted & phuqued up
and
the paint is deteriorating. Mine are free of any kind of corrosion and
still
sealed well. I know that some people abuse the lid & can edges by
battering
them during opening & closing, but I don't think that's enough to
explain
the situation.

I wonder if, in addition to getting better paint when you spend a little
more money, you also get a container that lasts longer, so a few years
later, the paint is still useful.

Or, there's another conclusion and never mind.

rust would be a humid basement as concrete releases moisture and can
ruin a can on the floor, but after a few years the paint wont match
anyway since its aging on your walls so maybe junk it.

========================

My paint's been stored right next to his in the same basement. Please try
and comprehend what people have written, ransley.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Be an ass Joe which you are, his paint has been there one year longer
or cant you figure this one out for yourself

===============================


I don't think time is the issue.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
The prior owner of my house did a lot of interior painting in the
year before I bought the place. The leftover paint cans are marked
with info like "2003 - Living Room Trim", so I'm sure of the time
factor. He used Behr and Sears Easy Living paints. I bought the
place in 2004, and immediately bought some Devoe and Martin-Senour
Pro-Line paints. The cans have been stored alongside his since
then, and the basement's dry.

The lids and edges of his old cans are completely rusted & phuqued
up and the paint is deteriorating. Mine are free of any kind of
corrosion and still sealed well. I know that some people abuse the
lid & can edges by battering them during opening & closing, but I
don't think that's enough to explain the situation.

I wonder if, in addition to getting better paint when you spend a
little more money, you also get a container that lasts longer, so a
few years later, the paint is still useful.

Oxidation need moisture and air. I've had partially used cans rust
from the inside out but never an unopened one. Most recent was a
third gallon of water base polyurethane varnish...it was so bad that a
hole developed in the bottom (from the inside) just from stirring.
The lid outside was fine, inside of the can - lid and sides - was all
rusty

I've had very little problems with the lids/rims. Some superficial
rust on opened cans, nothing major. Stored in my unheated shop in a
cabinet in Central Florida.

--

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
The prior owner of my house did a lot of interior painting in the year
before I bought the place. The leftover paint cans are marked with info like
"2003 - Living Room Trim", so I'm sure of the time factor. He used Behr and
Sears Easy Living paints. I bought the place in 2004, and immediately bought
some Devoe and Martin-Senour Pro-Line paints. The cans have been stored
alongside his since then, and the basement's dry.

The lids and edges of his old cans are completely rusted & phuqued up and
the paint is deteriorating. Mine are free of any kind of corrosion and still
sealed well. I know that some people abuse the lid & can edges by battering
them during opening & closing, but I don't think that's enough to explain
the situation.

I wonder if, in addition to getting better paint when you spend a little
more money, you also get a container that lasts longer, so a few years
later, the paint is still useful.

Or, there's another conclusion and never mind.


The one-gallon plastic paint containers with lids that screw off and
back on are the best packaging invention since they stopped putting
motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with a special tool.
I can't wait until the makers of better paints follow the lead of
Dutch Boy and junk their old fashioned cans.
Paul in San Francisco

Paul MR wrote:

The one-gallon plastic paint containers with lids that screw off and
back on are the best packaging invention since they stopped putting
motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with a special
tool.

Are you talking about the ones with a lid about the size as one on a
milk jug? I got a gallon of water poly in one, still trying to figure
out how to stir, not shake

--

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____________________________

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"dadiOH" wrote in message
news:dLPgj.2022$sH.365@trnddc04...
Paul MR wrote:

The one-gallon plastic paint containers with lids that screw off and
back on are the best packaging invention since they stopped putting
motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with a special
tool.

Are you talking about the ones with a lid about the size as one on a
milk jug? I got a gallon of water poly in one, still trying to figure
out how to stir, not shake

--

dadiOH


There's an engineering OOPS. I'll bet the label says "Do not shake", right?

dadiOH wrote:
Paul MR wrote:

The one-gallon plastic paint containers with lids that screw off and
back on are the best packaging invention since they stopped putting
motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with a special
tool.

Are you talking about the ones with a lid about the size as one on a
milk jug? I got a gallon of water poly in one, still trying to figure
out how to stir, not shake

No. The paint container lid is about 5 inches in diameter. Stirring is
no problem.
Paul in San Francisco

Paul MR wrote:
....
motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with a special tool.

_What_ special tool? That was a "church key", one of which should have
always been handy, surely.

--

dpb wrote:
Paul MR wrote:
...
motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with a special tool.

_What_ special tool? That was a "church key", one of which should have
always been handy, surely.

--
Yeah, I'm old enough to remember church keys too.
Paul in San Francisco

"Paul MR" wrote in message
et...
dadiOH wrote:
Paul MR wrote:

The one-gallon plastic paint containers with lids that screw off and
back on are the best packaging invention since they stopped putting
motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with a special
tool.

Are you talking about the ones with a lid about the size as one on a
milk jug? I got a gallon of water poly in one, still trying to figure
out how to stir, not shake

No. The paint container lid is about 5 inches in diameter. Stirring is
no problem.
Paul in San Francisco


Sounds like his is different, if he's describing it as the size of a milk
jug lid.

wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:17:41 -0600, dpb wrote:

Paul MR wrote:
...
motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with a special tool.
_What_ special tool? That was a "church key", one of which should have
always been handy, surely.

He's talking about the spouts with the built in opener.

In that case, what "special tool"?

I'd wager he meant the old cardboard can w/ the metal top...and I was
making a jest...

--

On Jan 8, 1:52*pm, Paul MR wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
The prior owner of my house did a lot of interior painting in the year
before I bought the place. The leftover paint cans are marked with info like
"2003 - Living Room Trim", so I'm sure of the time factor. He used Behr and
Sears Easy Living paints. I bought the place in 2004, and immediately bought
some Devoe and Martin-Senour Pro-Line paints. The cans have been stored
alongside his since then, and the basement's dry.

The lids and edges of his old cans are completely rusted & phuqued up and
the paint is deteriorating. Mine are free of any kind of corrosion and still
sealed well. I know that some people abuse the lid & can edges by battering
them during opening & closing, but I don't think that's enough to explain
the situation.

I wonder if, in addition to getting better paint when you spend a little
more money, you also get a container that lasts longer, so a few years
later, the paint is still useful.

Or, there's another conclusion and never mind.

The one-gallon plastic paint containers with lids that screw off and
back on are the best packaging invention since they stopped putting
motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with a special tool.
* I can't wait until the makers of better paints follow the lead of
Dutch Boy and junk their old fashioned cans.
Paul in San Francisco

Sherwin williams has been using plastic containers with screw off lids
for awhile.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:37:00 -0600, dpb wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:17:41 -0600, dpb wrote:

Paul MR wrote:
...
motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with a special tool.
_What_ special tool? That was a "church key", one of which should have
always been handy, surely.

He's talking about the spouts with the built in opener.

In that case, what "special tool"?

I'd wager he meant the old cardboard can w/ the metal top...and I was
making a jest...

Oh! You mean the cardboard can that would collapse if the special tool
(funnel) wasn't carefully inserted into the metal top (G).

Before 16 cent bulk oil in a glass jar and screw on funnel...

I still have church keys!

Oren
--

Oren wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:37:00 -0600, dpb wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:17:41 -0600, dpb wrote:

Paul MR wrote:
...
motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with a special tool.
_What_ special tool? That was a "church key", one of which should have
always been handy, surely.
He's talking about the spouts with the built in opener.
In that case, what "special tool"?

I'd wager he meant the old cardboard can w/ the metal top...and I was
making a jest...

Oh! You mean the cardboard can that would collapse if the special tool
(funnel) wasn't carefully inserted into the metal top (G).

Before 16 cent bulk oil in a glass jar and screw on funnel...

I still have church keys!

Of course...I still have cases of oil in those cans--it'll probably be
another 5 years before they're used up as down to only one truck that
uses 20W single viscosity anymore and it doesn't get much work any
more...

Bulk oil was always in 55-gal drums, so have only seen the glass as
curiosities. Do still have the remnants of the old hand-crank,
glass-bulb-at-the-top gas pump, however. Unfortunately, it's no longer
functional; I've wished several times to put it back.

--

Paul MR wrote:
dadiOH wrote:
Paul MR wrote:

The one-gallon plastic paint containers with lids that screw off
and back on are the best packaging invention since they stopped
putting motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with
a special tool.

Are you talking about the ones with a lid about the size as one on
a milk jug? I got a gallon of water poly in one, still trying to
figure out how to stir, not shake

No. The paint container lid is about 5 inches in diameter.
Stirring is no problem.
Paul in San Francisco

I WANT THEM!!!!!!!!!!

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message
news:dLPgj.2022$sH.365@trnddc04...
Paul MR wrote:

The one-gallon plastic paint containers with lids that screw off
and back on are the best packaging invention since they stopped
putting motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with
a special tool.

Are you talking about the ones with a lid about the size as one on
a milk jug? I got a gallon of water poly in one, still trying to
figure out how to stir, not shake

--

dadiOH


There's an engineering OOPS. I'll bet the label says "Do not
shake", right?

Yeah. I shook it anyway (I also take labels off mattresses). Lots of
bubbles. NP, it was going on a rough tile floor and most broke before
setting up.

--

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wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:37:00 -0600, dpb wrote:
....

...and I was making a jest...

???

The special tool WAS the spout. It was used for the old cardboard cans with the
metal top.

Can't you read it was a jest even when I say it????

Jeesh!.

--

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:09:18 -0600, dpb wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:37:00 -0600, dpb wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:17:41 -0600, dpb wrote:

Paul MR wrote:
...
motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with a special tool.
_What_ special tool? That was a "church key", one of which should have
always been handy, surely.
He's talking about the spouts with the built in opener.
In that case, what "special tool"?

I'd wager he meant the old cardboard can w/ the metal top...and I was
making a jest...

Oh! You mean the cardboard can that would collapse if the special tool
(funnel) wasn't carefully inserted into the metal top (G).

Before 16 cent bulk oil in a glass jar and screw on funnel...

I still have church keys!

Of course...I still have cases of oil in those cans--it'll probably be
another 5 years before they're used up as down to only one truck that
uses 20W single viscosity anymore and it doesn't get much work any
more...

Bulk oil was always in 55-gal drums, so have only seen the glass as
curiosities. Do still have the remnants of the old hand-crank,
glass-bulb-at-the-top gas pump, however. Unfortunately, it's no longer
functional; I've wished several times to put it back.

* bottles were filled from the drum and displayed on the rack by the
gas pump (quart of bulk oil was 16 cents). Gas stations used
empty/used cardboard cans for display, so they didn't grow legs.

*
http://www.oldgas.com/info/images/oil_1.gif

Oren
--

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:39:08 -0800 (PST), frank megaweege
wrote:

On Jan 8, 1:52*pm, Paul MR wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote about his apparently impressive paint can collection:

The lids and edges of his old cans are completely rusted & phuqued up and
the paint is deteriorating. Mine are free of any kind of corrosion and still
sealed well. I know that some people abuse the lid & can edges by battering
them during opening & closing, but I don't think that's enough to explain
the situation.

I wonder if, in addition to getting better paint when you spend a little
more money, you also get a container that lasts longer, so a few years
later, the paint is still useful.

Or, there's another conclusion and never mind.

The one-gallon plastic paint containers with lids that screw off and
back on are the best packaging invention since they stopped putting
motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with a special tool.
* I can't wait until the makers of better paints follow the lead of
Dutch Boy and junk their old fashioned cans.
Paul in San Francisco

Sherwin williams has been using plastic containers with screw off lids
for awhile.

First of all, I absolutely despise those new self-pouring plastic
paint containers. I find the paint very difficult to stir in them,
and there's a lot of waste involved since there's no easy way to
scrape out the last of the paint.

Secondly, I suspect, JSB, that the reason why your paint cans are
looking so much better than the previous owners' is because you are
presumably CAREFUL to wipe out as much of the paint in that lip on the
can the lid slides into, which means when you slide YOUR lid into YOUR
can, you've got a nice airtight seal. This is, of course (what shock,
what awe!) what I do and what has served me well for decades. I
really think it's as simple as that.

"KLS" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:39:08 -0800 (PST), frank megaweege
wrote:

On Jan 8, 1:52 pm, Paul MR wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote about his apparently impressive paint can
collection:

The lids and edges of his old cans are completely rusted & phuqued up
and
the paint is deteriorating. Mine are free of any kind of corrosion and
still
sealed well. I know that some people abuse the lid & can edges by
battering
them during opening & closing, but I don't think that's enough to
explain
the situation.

I wonder if, in addition to getting better paint when you spend a
little
more money, you also get a container that lasts longer, so a few years
later, the paint is still useful.

Or, there's another conclusion and never mind.

The one-gallon plastic paint containers with lids that screw off and
back on are the best packaging invention since they stopped putting
motor oil in cans that you had to puncture and pour with a special tool.
I can't wait until the makers of better paints follow the lead of
Dutch Boy and junk their old fashioned cans.
Paul in San Francisco

Sherwin williams has been using plastic containers with screw off lids
for awhile.

First of all, I absolutely despise those new self-pouring plastic
paint containers. I find the paint very difficult to stir in them,
and there's a lot of waste involved since there's no easy way to
scrape out the last of the paint.

Secondly, I suspect, JSB, that the reason why your paint cans are
looking so much better than the previous owners' is because you are
presumably CAREFUL to wipe out as much of the paint in that lip on the
can the lid slides into, which means when you slide YOUR lid into YOUR
can, you've got a nice airtight seal. This is, of course (what shock,
what awe!) what I do and what has served me well for decades. I
really think it's as simple as that.


I figured, but it always seemed like too simple a reason. When I bought my
first house, I was lucky enough to have a hardware store two blocks away.
The husband & wife who ran the place were both painting wizards. I learned a
lot of tricks from those people.

Oren wrote:
....
* bottles were filled from the drum and displayed on the rack by the
gas pump (quart of bulk oil was 16 cents). Gas stations used
empty/used cardboard cans for display, so they didn't grow legs.
....

What I meant was we never bought oil except in bulk via 55-gal drum so
never bought oil by quart retail until went off to school and by that
time the packaged can (albeit the cardboard ones) were king.

I've seen them in collections, etc., but don't recall ever having even
seen them in use even at the Co-op retail store -- of course, my
recollections of that kind don't go back before the early-/mid-50s--I'm
approaching geezerhood, but not quite _that_ geezerish quite yet...

The way I got the current collection of quart cans is that when the
Co-op refinery went out of production Dad bought the entire stock of the
particular oil we used in all the farm trucks they had in stock. That
was over 20 years ago now, and I've probably still got 50 gal left.
Since all the old Chevy trucks that used 20W single-grade are gone
except for the one '58 I've kept as a small "beater" around the place
for yard work, etc., the rate at which I can use it is pretty small
being as I may not change the oil in that truck more than once a year
any more...otoh, the tractors use anywhere from 5 to 7 gal/change
depending on which one and at every 100 hrs, that runs up pretty
quickly... Although the biodiesel and improved oils, the newest
which also has large capacity, has stretched change time to 150 hrs --
we'll see how that goes w/ time as we have them all on a tribology
monitoring program. At 100K and up, that's a pretty easy expense to
justify...

--

--

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
I wonder if, in addition to getting better paint when you spend a little
more money, you also get a container that lasts longer, so a few years
later, the paint is still useful.


Interesting point. I'm sure cans are available in different grades and with
di different coatings. Probably not a concern if you use it all up, but
I've had paint contaminated by rust when I wanted to do a touch up a year
later.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
I wonder if, in addition to getting better paint when you spend a little
more money, you also get a container that lasts longer, so a few years
later, the paint is still useful.


Interesting point. I'm sure cans are available in different grades and
with di different coatings. Probably not a concern if you use it all up,
but I've had paint contaminated by rust when I wanted to do a touch up a
year later.



I looked at a few more of the other guy's paint cans tonight, and found that
on a few, the entire lid is rusted, not just the edges where he obviously
abused them. These cans have the same 2003 date mark as the others.

Joe,

Unless you were there when the previous owner bought the paint it seems
silly to assume that the cans where originally sold in 2003 or that the
paint cans were not damaged to begin with. My limited experience is that
paint cans stored out of the elements don't rust in just a few years. That
these cans have leads me to wonder how old the cans are. how the cans were
stored et c. These are things that you don't know.


Dave M.

"David L. Martel" wrote in message
...
Joe,

Unless you were there when the previous owner bought the paint it seems
silly to assume that the cans where originally sold in 2003 or that the
paint cans were not damaged to begin with. My limited experience is that
paint cans stored out of the elements don't rust in just a few years. That
these cans have leads me to wonder how old the cans are. how the cans were
stored et c. These are things that you don't know.


Dave M.



True, he could've bought them in 1997 and waited until 2003 to paint. My
comments are based on what they said when I first toured the house in 2004.
"We painted last year". It's more than a few cans, though. A total of 8
from two different sources, Behr and Sears. All damaged?

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:02:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"David L. Martel" wrote in message
...
Joe,

Unless you were there when the previous owner bought the paint it
seems
silly to assume that the cans where originally sold in 2003 or that the
paint cans were not damaged to begin with. My limited experience is that
paint cans stored out of the elements don't rust in just a few years.
That
these cans have leads me to wonder how old the cans are. how the cans
were
stored et c. These are things that you don't know.


Dave M.



True, he could've bought them in 1997 and waited until 2003 to paint. My
comments are based on what they said when I first toured the house in
2004.
"We painted last year". It's more than a few cans, though. A total of 8
from two different sources, Behr and Sears. All damaged?



Were the paint cans rusty when you took possession or did they rust
after that? Somewhere along the timeline, they were exposed to
moisture. Maybe a plumbing leak, or maybe they were stored elsewhere
for a time.



No....not rusty when I arrived. They were not stored elsewhere, nor were
they exposed to any leaks. It's just weird.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
news
wrote in message
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:02:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"David L. Martel" wrote in message
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Joe,

Unless you were there when the previous owner bought the paint it
seems
silly to assume that the cans where originally sold in 2003 or that the
paint cans were not damaged to begin with. My limited experience is
that
paint cans stored out of the elements don't rust in just a few years.
That
these cans have leads me to wonder how old the cans are. how the cans
were
stored et c. These are things that you don't know.


Dave M.



True, he could've bought them in 1997 and waited until 2003 to paint. My
comments are based on what they said when I first toured the house in
2004.
"We painted last year". It's more than a few cans, though. A total of 8
from two different sources, Behr and Sears. All damaged?



Were the paint cans rusty when you took possession or did they rust
after that? Somewhere along the timeline, they were exposed to
moisture. Maybe a plumbing leak, or maybe they were stored elsewhere
for a time.



No....not rusty when I arrived. They were not stored elsewhere, nor were
they exposed to any leaks. It's just weird.

do you have other chemicals in the area? things with HCL, like a gallon of
pool acid, tend to rust things in their local area even if tightly closed,
if there is no good ventilation.

"charlie" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
news
wrote in message
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:02:41 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"David L. Martel" wrote in message
...
Joe,

Unless you were there when the previous owner bought the paint it
seems
silly to assume that the cans where originally sold in 2003 or that
the
paint cans were not damaged to begin with. My limited experience is
that
paint cans stored out of the elements don't rust in just a few years.
That
these cans have leads me to wonder how old the cans are. how the cans
were
stored et c. These are things that you don't know.


Dave M.



True, he could've bought them in 1997 and waited until 2003 to paint. My
comments are based on what they said when I first toured the house in
2004.
"We painted last year". It's more than a few cans, though. A total of 8
from two different sources, Behr and Sears. All damaged?



Were the paint cans rusty when you took possession or did they rust
after that? Somewhere along the timeline, they were exposed to
moisture. Maybe a plumbing leak, or maybe they were stored elsewhere
for a time.



No....not rusty when I arrived. They were not stored elsewhere, nor were
they exposed to any leaks. It's just weird.



do you have other chemicals in the area? things with HCL, like a gallon of
pool acid, tend to rust things in their local area even if tightly closed,
if there is no good ventilation.


No.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"ransley" wrote in message
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On Jan 8, 11:46 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"ransley" wrote in message

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On Jan 8, 11:11 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





The prior owner of my house did a lot of interior painting in the
year before I bought the place. The leftover paint cans are marked
with info like
"2003 - Living Room Trim", so I'm sure of the time factor. He used
Behr and
Sears Easy Living paints. I bought the place in 2004, and
immediately bought
some Devoe and Martin-Senour Pro-Line paints. The cans have been
stored alongside his since then, and the basement's dry.

The lids and edges of his old cans are completely rusted & phuqued
up and
the paint is deteriorating. Mine are free of any kind of corrosion
and still
sealed well. I know that some people abuse the lid & can edges by
battering
them during opening & closing, but I don't think that's enough to
explain
the situation.

I wonder if, in addition to getting better paint when you spend a
little more money, you also get a container that lasts longer, so a
few years later, the paint is still useful.

Or, there's another conclusion and never mind.

rust would be a humid basement as concrete releases moisture and can
ruin a can on the floor, but after a few years the paint wont match
anyway since its aging on your walls so maybe junk it.

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My paint's been stored right next to his in the same basement.
Please try and comprehend what people have written, ransley.- Hide
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Be an ass Joe which you are, his paint has been there one year longer
or cant you figure this one out for yourself

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I don't think time is the issue.

I suspect it may well be the issue. You have no idea what conditions
existed, or why, in that missing year. Also, becuase the cans were
stacked neatly when you moved in does not mean they were stored that way
the entire prior year. There is also the possibility that the dates on
the cans are not purchased dates but rather are "last used" dates, as I
often do, so I know at least when it was last known to be good paint.
Nor do you know that the covers of the cans were well sealed for the
preceding year. And on and on and on. It's a variable you cannot
dispose of.