just finished replacing my kitchen sink yesterday... had to make a new
drain pipe for it, and also do some minor repair to the countertop (had
a hidden chip) anyway I got everything hooked up, turned on the water,
and... what a mess! my new faucet was leaking water everywhere. It
was a new Moen single handle deal with the spray nozzle, and it appeared
to be leaking down the hose to the spray nozzle. This faucet uses an
unusual method of connecting the hose to the faucet, instead of the
usual threaded connection it pushes into a plastic clip and seals with
O-rings. I suspect the plastic clip. Anyway, I'll be returning it and
getting another faucet. Do Delta faucets use a more conventional method
of connecting the sprayer nozzle hose? I put the old Delta faucet back
in and it is working fine, it's just that the girlie wants a new faucet
with a sprayer nozzle and this one doesn't have one.

Additionally, there was some serious foul-smelling black muck in the
drain pipe when I disconnected the part I was replacing. This is an
older house with cast iron drains, and it appeared that this muck was
only in the cast iron pipes, not the newer pvc stub out to the fixture.
Coincidence? Or should I think about having the pipes snaked out?
There was a pretty serious plug right at the 45 degree elbow going out
to the sink; probably 3/4 of the pipe was blocked. I knocked most of it
out with a screwdriver and the sink appears to be working OK now. (it
would occasionally drain slow before.)

nate

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On Dec 16, 8:33�am, Nate Nagel wrote:
just finished replacing my kitchen sink yesterday... �had to make a new
drain pipe for it, and also do some minor repair to the countertop (had
a hidden chip) anyway I got everything hooked up, turned on the water,
and... �what a mess! �my new faucet was leaking water everywhere. �It
was a new Moen single handle deal with the spray nozzle, and it appeared
to be leaking down the hose to the spray nozzle. �This faucet uses an
unusual method of connecting the hose to the faucet, instead of the
usual threaded connection it pushes into a plastic clip and seals with
O-rings. �I suspect the plastic clip. �Anyway, I'll be returning it and
getting another faucet. �Do Delta faucets use a more conventional method
of connecting the sprayer nozzle hose? �I put the old Delta faucet back
in and it is working fine, it's just that the girlie wants a new faucet
with a sprayer nozzle and this one doesn't have one.

Additionally, there was some serious foul-smelling black muck in the
drain pipe when I disconnected the part I was replacing. �This is an
older house with cast iron drains, and it appeared that this muck was
only in the cast iron pipes, not the newer pvc stub out to the fixture.
� Coincidence? �Or should I think about having the pipes snaked out?
There was a pretty serious plug right at the 45 degree elbow going out
to the sink; probably 3/4 of the pipe was blocked. �I knocked most of it
out with a screwdriver and the sink appears to be working OK now. �(it
would occasionally drain slow before.)

nate

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I have always had good luck with deltas, dont know about current spray
hose mounting my delta is about 1 years old.

cast iron pipe is rougher so gunk sticks, if your not having a problem
I would forget about it

dump a couple BIG pans of boiling water down the drain to clean it

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
just finished replacing my kitchen sink yesterday... had to make a new
drain pipe for it, and also do some minor repair to the countertop (had a
hidden chip) anyway I got everything hooked up, turned on the water,
and... what a mess! my new faucet was leaking water everywhere. It was
a new Moen single handle deal with the spray nozzle, and it appeared to be
leaking down the hose to the spray nozzle. This faucet uses an unusual
method of connecting the hose to the faucet, instead of the usual threaded
connection it pushes into a plastic clip and seals with O-rings. I
suspect the plastic clip. Anyway, I'll be returning it and getting
another faucet. Do Delta faucets use a more conventional method of
connecting the sprayer nozzle hose? I put the old Delta faucet back in
and it is working fine, it's just that the girlie wants a new faucet with
a sprayer nozzle and this one doesn't have one.

Additionally, there was some serious foul-smelling black muck in the drain
pipe when I disconnected the part I was replacing. This is an older house
with cast iron drains, and it appeared that this muck was only in the cast
iron pipes, not the newer pvc stub out to the fixture. Coincidence? Or
should I think about having the pipes snaked out? There was a pretty
serious plug right at the 45 degree elbow going out to the sink; probably
3/4 of the pipe was blocked. I knocked most of it out with a screwdriver
and the sink appears to be working OK now. (it would occasionally drain
slow before.)

nate



If you like the style of the Moen, wait till Monday and call them. They're
very good at helping customers solve problems, if my experience is any
indication. I've installed several of their products without any problems at
all.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...

just finished replacing my kitchen sink yesterday... had to make a new
drain pipe for it, and also do some minor repair to the countertop (had a
hidden chip) anyway I got everything hooked up, turned on the water,
and... what a mess! my new faucet was leaking water everywhere. It was
a new Moen single handle deal with the spray nozzle, and it appeared to be
leaking down the hose to the spray nozzle. This faucet uses an unusual
method of connecting the hose to the faucet, instead of the usual threaded
connection it pushes into a plastic clip and seals with O-rings. I
suspect the plastic clip. Anyway, I'll be returning it and getting
another faucet. Do Delta faucets use a more conventional method of
connecting the sprayer nozzle hose? I put the old Delta faucet back in
and it is working fine, it's just that the girlie wants a new faucet with
a sprayer nozzle and this one doesn't have one.

Additionally, there was some serious foul-smelling black muck in the drain
pipe when I disconnected the part I was replacing. This is an older house
with cast iron drains, and it appeared that this muck was only in the cast
iron pipes, not the newer pvc stub out to the fixture. Coincidence? Or
should I think about having the pipes snaked out? There was a pretty
serious plug right at the 45 degree elbow going out to the sink; probably
3/4 of the pipe was blocked. I knocked most of it out with a screwdriver
and the sink appears to be working OK now. (it would occasionally drain
slow before.)

nate




If you like the style of the Moen, wait till Monday and call them. They're
very good at helping customers solve problems, if my experience is any
indication. I've installed several of their products without any problems at
all.



I don't care much about style, SWMBO picked it out.

We did look particularly at Moen based on the recommendation of the guys
at the plumbing supply house. They said that they preferred Moen and
Delta with a slight edge to Moen, which is why I was surprised when it
was not my work that leaked but the faucet itself. Meanwhile the 20
year old Delta is still working fine but doesn't have the sprayer nozzle
which was the whole point of the exercise.

Hallerb said he had a year-old Delta, I'd be curious to know if it had
the standard threaded connection between the sprayer hose and faucet. I
get the impression that they don't make radical changes to their designs
very often.

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote:
....

We did look particularly at Moen based on the recommendation of the guys
at the plumbing supply house. They said that they preferred Moen and
Delta with a slight edge to Moen, which is why I was surprised when it
was not my work that leaked but the faucet itself. Meanwhile the 20
year old Delta is still working fine but doesn't have the sprayer nozzle
which was the whole point of the exercise.
....

I've not installed a recent Moen, but I'd be _very_ surprised if it's a
generic design defect. I'd check first of all that the installation was
actually correct (maybe if it's somewhat unusual the order of rings,
etc., might be wrong?) or there's a piece missing or something similar.
If there were a generic problem, you wouldn't be the first. If you
can't figure out the problem, take it back to the supply and find out
the cause.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ...

Nate Nagel wrote:
...


We did look particularly at Moen based on the recommendation of the guys
at the plumbing supply house. They said that they preferred Moen and
Delta with a slight edge to Moen, which is why I was surprised when it
was not my work that leaked but the faucet itself. Meanwhile the 20 year
old Delta is still working fine but doesn't have the sprayer nozzle which
was the whole point of the exercise.

...

I've not installed a recent Moen, but I'd be _very_ surprised if it's a
generic design defect. I'd check first of all that the installation was
actually correct (maybe if it's somewhat unusual the order of rings, etc.,
might be wrong?) or there's a piece missing or something similar.
If there were a generic problem, you wouldn't be the first. If you can't
figure out the problem, take it back to the supply and find out the cause.

--



If Moen changed the design, eliminating the traditional threaded fitting, my
*guess* it they did it because the fitting in question can be tricky to
reach, and that can result in cross threading. Know what I mean, when you
can't get your hand at the correct angle?

I'd prefer to struggle with the right kind of fitting, though. Everyone
knows you turn the fitting backward till you hear or feel the first click,
and then go forward.


Right, and I assembled the faucet to the sink *before* dropping it into
the countertop. I won't have that option this time around however

nate


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"dpb" wrote in message ...
Nate Nagel wrote:
...

We did look particularly at Moen based on the recommendation of the guys
at the plumbing supply house. They said that they preferred Moen and
Delta with a slight edge to Moen, which is why I was surprised when it
was not my work that leaked but the faucet itself. Meanwhile the 20 year
old Delta is still working fine but doesn't have the sprayer nozzle which
was the whole point of the exercise.
...

I've not installed a recent Moen, but I'd be _very_ surprised if it's a
generic design defect. I'd check first of all that the installation was
actually correct (maybe if it's somewhat unusual the order of rings, etc.,
might be wrong?) or there's a piece missing or something similar.
If there were a generic problem, you wouldn't be the first. If you can't
figure out the problem, take it back to the supply and find out the cause.

--


If Moen changed the design, eliminating the traditional threaded fitting, my
*guess* it they did it because the fitting in question can be tricky to
reach, and that can result in cross threading. Know what I mean, when you
can't get your hand at the correct angle?

I'd prefer to struggle with the right kind of fitting, though. Everyone
knows you turn the fitting backward till you hear or feel the first click,
and then go forward.

In article , Nate Nagel wrote:
just finished replacing my kitchen sink yesterday... had to make a new
drain pipe for it, and also do some minor repair to the countertop (had
a hidden chip) anyway I got everything hooked up, turned on the water,
and... what a mess! my new faucet was leaking water everywhere. It
was a new Moen single handle deal with the spray nozzle, and it appeared
to be leaking down the hose to the spray nozzle. This faucet uses an
unusual method of connecting the hose to the faucet, instead of the
usual threaded connection it pushes into a plastic clip and seals with
O-rings. I suspect the plastic clip. Anyway, I'll be returning it and
getting another faucet. Do Delta faucets use a more conventional method
of connecting the sprayer nozzle hose? I put the old Delta faucet back
in and it is working fine, it's just that the girlie wants a new faucet
with a sprayer nozzle and this one doesn't have one.

There's nothing fundamentally flawed about the plastic
quick-release fittings on the spray line. I have a Grohe
faucet that's lasted 10 years (including a deinstall/
reinstall when we replaced the countertop). Never leaked!

I fully expect it to last another 10 years or more.

If your supplier can't help you sort this out, call
Moen because they will. Moen faucets *are* good quality
and Moen will stand behind them.


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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:47:38 -0500, Nate Nagel
wrote:

SNIP
Hallerb said he had a year-old Delta, I'd be curious to know if it had
the standard threaded connection between the sprayer hose and faucet. I
get the impression that they don't make radical changes to their designs
very often.

nate

I like Delta. Not sure if you're talking about the type where the end
of the spout pulls out for spaying, or the separate sprayer that sits
in an extra hole. The Delta's with the pull out sprays have a threaded
connection with an o-ring seal to the spout. (At least as of a year or
so ago.) I have two and haven't had any trouble with them leaking.

HTH, Paul F

Nate Nagel wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ...

Nate Nagel wrote:
...


We did look particularly at Moen based on the recommendation of the guys
at the plumbing supply house. They said that they preferred Moen and
Delta with a slight edge to Moen, which is why I was surprised when it
was not my work that leaked but the faucet itself. Meanwhile the 20 year
old Delta is still working fine but doesn't have the sprayer nozzle which
was the whole point of the exercise.

...

I've not installed a recent Moen, but I'd be _very_ surprised if it's a
generic design defect. I'd check first of all that the installation was
actually correct (maybe if it's somewhat unusual the order of rings, etc.,
might be wrong?) or there's a piece missing or something similar.
If there were a generic problem, you wouldn't be the first. If you can't
figure out the problem, take it back to the supply and find out the cause.

--



If Moen changed the design, eliminating the traditional threaded fitting, my
*guess* it they did it because the fitting in question can be tricky to
reach, and that can result in cross threading. Know what I mean, when you
can't get your hand at the correct angle?

I'd prefer to struggle with the right kind of fitting, though. Everyone
knows you turn the fitting backward till you hear or feel the first click,
and then go forward.


Right, and I assembled the faucet to the sink *before* dropping it into
the countertop. I won't have that option this time around however

nate

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If it's a push lock type connection similar to those used commonly in
pneumatic systems (millions in factory automation type applications) I'd
expect it should be just fine and if it's not working properly it's a
defective part and not a defective design.

Nate Nagel wrote:
just finished replacing my kitchen sink yesterday... had to make a new
drain pipe for it, and also do some minor repair to the countertop (had
a hidden chip) anyway I got everything hooked up, turned on the water,
and... what a mess! my new faucet was leaking water everywhere. It
was a new Moen single handle deal with the spray nozzle, and it appeared
to be leaking down the hose to the spray nozzle. This faucet uses an
unusual method of connecting the hose to the faucet, instead of the
usual threaded connection it pushes into a plastic clip and seals with
O-rings. I suspect the plastic clip. Anyway, I'll be returning it and
getting another faucet. Do Delta faucets use a more conventional method
of connecting the sprayer nozzle hose? I put the old Delta faucet back
in and it is working fine, it's just that the girlie wants a new faucet
with a sprayer nozzle and this one doesn't have one.

Additionally, there was some serious foul-smelling black muck in the
drain pipe when I disconnected the part I was replacing. This is an
older house with cast iron drains, and it appeared that this muck was
only in the cast iron pipes, not the newer pvc stub out to the fixture.
Coincidence? Or should I think about having the pipes snaked out?
There was a pretty serious plug right at the 45 degree elbow going out
to the sink; probably 3/4 of the pipe was blocked. I knocked most of it
out with a screwdriver and the sink appears to be working OK now. (it
would occasionally drain slow before.)

nate


Update: was able again to make it home early from work today, took
faucet back to supply place, neither I nor counter guy could see
anything wrong with it. I asked for a pair of o-rings for the sprayer
nozzle connection and tried it again. On a whim, I lubed the O-rings
with silicone grease prior to installation thinking that that is what I
would do if I were installing them on a car, so why not here? Also I
think the ones I got as replacements are ever so slightly larger in
cross-section than the original ones. et voila, works perfectly. I
guess either one of the o-rings had a minor flaw that I couldn't see or
I nicked/twisted it on installation in a way that I couldn't see.
Anyway, it's in there now and now I can consider the kitchen sink
project almost complete.

on to the next issue...

nate

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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:12:46 -0500, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:
just finished replacing my kitchen sink yesterday... had to make a new
drain pipe for it, and also do some minor repair to the countertop (had
a hidden chip) anyway I got everything hooked up, turned on the water,
and... what a mess! my new faucet was leaking water everywhere. It
was a new Moen single handle deal with the spray nozzle, and it appeared
to be leaking down the hose to the spray nozzle. This faucet uses an
unusual method of connecting the hose to the faucet, instead of the
usual threaded connection it pushes into a plastic clip and seals with
O-rings. I suspect the plastic clip. Anyway, I'll be returning it and
getting another faucet. Do Delta faucets use a more conventional method
of connecting the sprayer nozzle hose? I put the old Delta faucet back
in and it is working fine, it's just that the girlie wants a new faucet
with a sprayer nozzle and this one doesn't have one.

Additionally, there was some serious foul-smelling black muck in the
drain pipe when I disconnected the part I was replacing. This is an
older house with cast iron drains, and it appeared that this muck was
only in the cast iron pipes, not the newer pvc stub out to the fixture.
Coincidence? Or should I think about having the pipes snaked out?
There was a pretty serious plug right at the 45 degree elbow going out
to the sink; probably 3/4 of the pipe was blocked. I knocked most of it
out with a screwdriver and the sink appears to be working OK now. (it
would occasionally drain slow before.)

nate


Update: was able again to make it home early from work today, took
faucet back to supply place, neither I nor counter guy could see
anything wrong with it. I asked for a pair of o-rings for the sprayer
nozzle connection and tried it again. On a whim, I lubed the O-rings
with silicone grease prior to installation thinking that that is what I
would do if I were installing them on a car, so why not here? Also I
think the ones I got as replacements are ever so slightly larger in
cross-section than the original ones. et voila, works perfectly. I
guess either one of the o-rings had a minor flaw that I couldn't see or
I nicked/twisted it on installation in a way that I couldn't see.
Anyway, it's in there now and now I can consider the kitchen sink
project almost complete.

on to the next issue...

nate

The bride happy? You will enjoy the Moen for years!

The o-rings for my pool filter and strainer basket are pre-lubricated
(embedded). I still use a little spray lube and have good results.

The o-rings can be tricky.

Steve wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote on 17 Dec 2007 in group
alt.home.repair:


Update: was able again to make it home early from work today, took
faucet back to supply place, neither I nor counter guy could see
anything wrong with it. I asked for a pair of o-rings for the
sprayer nozzle connection and tried it again. On a whim, I lubed the
O-rings with silicone grease prior to installation thinking that that
is what I would do if I were installing them on a car, so why not
here? Also I think the ones I got as replacements are ever so
slightly larger in cross-section than the original ones. et voila,
works perfectly. I guess either one of the o-rings had a minor flaw
that I couldn't see or I nicked/twisted it on installation in a way
that I couldn't see. Anyway, it's in there now and now I can consider
the kitchen sink project almost complete.


I moved into a newly constructed house 18 months ago. The bathtub
faucet dripped VERY slowly, about a quart a day -- just enough that
SWMBO didn't like it. The second plumber the builder sent out found the
problem. The factory O-ring was flawed, with a little flat place in one
spot. Replacement solved the problem.

Yeah, I could have done it myself, but that's what a warranty is for.
Besides, I got to talke to the second guy, and I now we refer work to
each other.


Well, I spoke too soon. Apparently it is *not* fixed but now leaking
out of the spray nozzle end. haven't had a chance to investigate yet.

Am seriously regretting going with Moen. I know they have a good rep
but the whole faucet when installed seems cheap and flimsy, although
there was really no way to tell looking at it in the box. When I turn
the water on I can see the arm moving relative to the base, and
everything just feels light duty. I like the old Delta much better,
except for the obvious lack of sprayer nozzle.

nate

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"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
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Steve wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote on 17 Dec 2007 in group
alt.home.repair:
Update: was able again to make it home early from work today, took faucet
back to supply place, neither I nor counter guy could see anything wrong
with it. I asked for a pair of o-rings for the
sprayer nozzle connection and tried it again. On a whim, I lubed the
O-rings with silicone grease prior to installation thinking that that
is what I would do if I were installing them on a car, so why not
here? Also I think the ones I got as replacements are ever so
slightly larger in cross-section than the original ones. et voila,
works perfectly. I guess either one of the o-rings had a minor flaw
that I couldn't see or I nicked/twisted it on installation in a way
that I couldn't see. Anyway, it's in there now and now I can consider
the kitchen sink project almost complete.


I moved into a newly constructed house 18 months ago. The bathtub
faucet dripped VERY slowly, about a quart a day -- just enough that
SWMBO didn't like it. The second plumber the builder sent out found the
problem. The factory O-ring was flawed, with a little flat place in one
spot. Replacement solved the problem. Yeah, I could have done it myself,
but that's what a warranty is for.
Besides, I got to talke to the second guy, and I now we refer work to
each other.

Well, I spoke too soon. Apparently it is *not* fixed but now leaking out
of the spray nozzle end. haven't had a chance to investigate yet.

Am seriously regretting going with Moen. I know they have a good rep but
the whole faucet when installed seems cheap and flimsy, although there was
really no way to tell looking at it in the box. When I turn the water on
I can see the arm moving relative to the base, and everything just feels
light duty. I like the old Delta much better, except for the obvious lack
of sprayer nozzle.

nate


What's the sink made out of and how much did it cost?

As far as the problems with the Moen, what did they say when you called them
with your telephone today?

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:44:46 -0500, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Steve wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote on 17 Dec 2007 in group
alt.home.repair:


Update: was able again to make it home early from work today, took
faucet back to supply place, neither I nor counter guy could see
anything wrong with it. I asked for a pair of o-rings for the
sprayer nozzle connection and tried it again. On a whim, I lubed the
O-rings with silicone grease prior to installation thinking that that
is what I would do if I were installing them on a car, so why not
here? Also I think the ones I got as replacements are ever so
slightly larger in cross-section than the original ones. et voila,
works perfectly. I guess either one of the o-rings had a minor flaw
that I couldn't see or I nicked/twisted it on installation in a way
that I couldn't see. Anyway, it's in there now and now I can consider
the kitchen sink project almost complete.


I moved into a newly constructed house 18 months ago. The bathtub
faucet dripped VERY slowly, about a quart a day -- just enough that
SWMBO didn't like it. The second plumber the builder sent out found the
problem. The factory O-ring was flawed, with a little flat place in one
spot. Replacement solved the problem.

Yeah, I could have done it myself, but that's what a warranty is for.
Besides, I got to talke to the second guy, and I now we refer work to
each other.


Well, I spoke too soon. Apparently it is *not* fixed but now leaking
out of the spray nozzle end. haven't had a chance to investigate yet.

Now, I'm thinking install vs faucet fault!


Am seriously regretting going with Moen. I know they have a good rep
but the whole faucet when installed seems cheap and flimsy, although
there was really no way to tell looking at it in the box. When I turn
the water on I can see the arm moving relative to the base, and
everything just feels light duty. I like the old Delta much better,
except for the obvious lack of sprayer nozzle.

nate

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...

Steve wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote on 17 Dec 2007 in group
alt.home.repair:

Update: was able again to make it home early from work today, took faucet
back to supply place, neither I nor counter guy could see anything wrong
with it. I asked for a pair of o-rings for the
sprayer nozzle connection and tried it again. On a whim, I lubed the
O-rings with silicone grease prior to installation thinking that that
is what I would do if I were installing them on a car, so why not
here? Also I think the ones I got as replacements are ever so
slightly larger in cross-section than the original ones. et voila,
works perfectly. I guess either one of the o-rings had a minor flaw
that I couldn't see or I nicked/twisted it on installation in a way
that I couldn't see. Anyway, it's in there now and now I can consider
the kitchen sink project almost complete.


I moved into a newly constructed house 18 months ago. The bathtub
faucet dripped VERY slowly, about a quart a day -- just enough that
SWMBO didn't like it. The second plumber the builder sent out found the
problem. The factory O-ring was flawed, with a little flat place in one
spot. Replacement solved the problem. Yeah, I could have done it myself,
but that's what a warranty is for.
Besides, I got to talke to the second guy, and I now we refer work to
each other.

Well, I spoke too soon. Apparently it is *not* fixed but now leaking out
of the spray nozzle end. haven't had a chance to investigate yet.

Am seriously regretting going with Moen. I know they have a good rep but
the whole faucet when installed seems cheap and flimsy, although there was
really no way to tell looking at it in the box. When I turn the water on
I can see the arm moving relative to the base, and everything just feels
light duty. I like the old Delta much better, except for the obvious lack
of sprayer nozzle.

nate



What's the sink made out of and how much did it cost?

it's a Kohler 19ga. SS sink, cost about $250 not sure why that's
relevant. I think I see where you're going with this question and
that's another minor disappointment, the sink is not as rigid as I'd
hoped in the area of the faucet but it was the heaviest gauge one in the
catalog at the plumbing store for less than $500. But anyway the arm of
the faucet moving when the water is on is not flexing of the sink, it's
definite movement of the arm portion of the faucet relative to the base.
it ain't much, but it's visible and the old Delta faucet doesn't do it.


As far as the problems with the Moen, what did they say when you called them
with your telephone today?


Didn't have a chance to call as I was on the road most of the day and
therefore try to limit my phone usage (although some days that's not
practical...) actually upon further investigation it appears that the
issue was something loose in the sprayer nozzle... I disassembled it,
reassembled it, and now I don't see the issue. Apparently the valve in
the sprayer nozzle was not closing all the way causing a dribble of
water out the nozzle when using the faucet. It's not doing that
anymore... not sure what I "fixed" - I am guessing that maybe there was
some debris in there that is now gone.

as of this exact moment (knock on wood) there's no functional issues
with the faucet but I'm overall just not 100% nuts about it. I
personally would be happier putting the old one back in but I don't know
how I could get my money back for the new one now that it's been
installed twice and admittedly there aren't any current functional
issues with it. Also SWMBO did really want that damn sprayer nozzle...

nate


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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:46:07 -0500, Nate Nagel
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
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Steve wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote on 17 Dec 2007 in group
alt.home.repair:

Update: was able again to make it home early from work today, took faucet
back to supply place, neither I nor counter guy could see anything wrong
with it. I asked for a pair of o-rings for the
sprayer nozzle connection and tried it again. On a whim, I lubed the
O-rings with silicone grease prior to installation thinking that that
is what I would do if I were installing them on a car, so why not
here? Also I think the ones I got as replacements are ever so
slightly larger in cross-section than the original ones. et voila,
works perfectly. I guess either one of the o-rings had a minor flaw
that I couldn't see or I nicked/twisted it on installation in a way
that I couldn't see. Anyway, it's in there now and now I can consider
the kitchen sink project almost complete.


I moved into a newly constructed house 18 months ago. The bathtub
faucet dripped VERY slowly, about a quart a day -- just enough that
SWMBO didn't like it. The second plumber the builder sent out found the
problem. The factory O-ring was flawed, with a little flat place in one
spot. Replacement solved the problem. Yeah, I could have done it myself,
but that's what a warranty is for.
Besides, I got to talke to the second guy, and I now we refer work to
each other.

Well, I spoke too soon. Apparently it is *not* fixed but now leaking out
of the spray nozzle end. haven't had a chance to investigate yet.

Am seriously regretting going with Moen. I know they have a good rep but
the whole faucet when installed seems cheap and flimsy, although there was
really no way to tell looking at it in the box. When I turn the water on
I can see the arm moving relative to the base, and everything just feels
light duty. I like the old Delta much better, except for the obvious lack
of sprayer nozzle.

nate



What's the sink made out of and how much did it cost?

it's a Kohler 19ga. SS sink, cost about $250 not sure why that's
relevant. I think I see where you're going with this question and
that's another minor disappointment, the sink is not as rigid as I'd
hoped in the area of the faucet but it was the heaviest gauge one in the
catalog at the plumbing store for less than $500. But anyway the arm of
the faucet moving when the water is on is not flexing of the sink, it's
definite movement of the arm portion of the faucet relative to the base.
it ain't much, but it's visible and the old Delta faucet doesn't do it.


As far as the problems with the Moen, what did they say when you called them
with your telephone today?


Didn't have a chance to call as I was on the road most of the day and
therefore try to limit my phone usage (although some days that's not
practical...) actually upon further investigation it appears that the
issue was something loose in the sprayer nozzle... I disassembled it,
reassembled it, and now I don't see the issue. Apparently the valve in
the sprayer nozzle was not closing all the way causing a dribble of
water out the nozzle when using the faucet. It's not doing that
anymore... not sure what I "fixed" - I am guessing that maybe there was
some debris in there that is now gone.

as of this exact moment (knock on wood) there's no functional issues
with the faucet but I'm overall just not 100% nuts about it. I
personally would be happier putting the old one back in but I don't know
how I could get my money back for the new one now that it's been
installed twice and admittedly there aren't any current functional
issues with it. Also SWMBO did really want that damn sprayer nozzle...

nate

Correct on both issues - debris and SWMBO. Take a nap:_))

Stay with the Moen, imo.

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...

Steve wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote on 17 Dec 2007 in group
alt.home.repair:

Update: was able again to make it home early from work today, took
faucet back to supply place, neither I nor counter guy could see
anything wrong with it. I asked for a pair of o-rings for the
sprayer nozzle connection and tried it again. On a whim, I lubed the
O-rings with silicone grease prior to installation thinking that that
is what I would do if I were installing them on a car, so why not
here? Also I think the ones I got as replacements are ever so
slightly larger in cross-section than the original ones. et voila,
works perfectly. I guess either one of the o-rings had a minor flaw
that I couldn't see or I nicked/twisted it on installation in a way
that I couldn't see. Anyway, it's in there now and now I can consider
the kitchen sink project almost complete.


I moved into a newly constructed house 18 months ago. The bathtub
faucet dripped VERY slowly, about a quart a day -- just enough that
SWMBO didn't like it. The second plumber the builder sent out found the
problem. The factory O-ring was flawed, with a little flat place in one
spot. Replacement solved the problem. Yeah, I could have done it myself,
but that's what a warranty is for.
Besides, I got to talke to the second guy, and I now we refer work to
each other.

Well, I spoke too soon. Apparently it is *not* fixed but now leaking out
of the spray nozzle end. haven't had a chance to investigate yet.

Am seriously regretting going with Moen. I know they have a good rep but
the whole faucet when installed seems cheap and flimsy, although there
was really no way to tell looking at it in the box. When I turn the
water on I can see the arm moving relative to the base, and everything
just feels light duty. I like the old Delta much better, except for the
obvious lack of sprayer nozzle.

nate



What's the sink made out of and how much did it cost?

it's a Kohler 19ga. SS sink, cost about $250 not sure why that's relevant.
I think I see where you're going with this question and that's another
minor disappointment, the sink is not as rigid as I'd hoped in the area of
the faucet but it was the heaviest gauge one in the catalog at the
plumbing store for less than $500. But anyway the arm of the faucet
moving when the water is on is not flexing of the sink, it's definite
movement of the arm portion of the faucet relative to the base. it ain't
much, but it's visible and the old Delta faucet doesn't do it.


As far as the problems with the Moen, what did they say when you called
them with your telephone today?

Didn't have a chance to call as I was on the road most of the day and
therefore try to limit my phone usage (although some days that's not
practical...) actually upon further investigation it appears that the
issue was something loose in the sprayer nozzle... I disassembled it,
reassembled it, and now I don't see the issue. Apparently the valve in
the sprayer nozzle was not closing all the way causing a dribble of water
out the nozzle when using the faucet. It's not doing that anymore... not
sure what I "fixed" - I am guessing that maybe there was some debris in
there that is now gone.

as of this exact moment (knock on wood) there's no functional issues with
the faucet but I'm overall just not 100% nuts about it. I personally
would be happier putting the old one back in but I don't know how I could
get my money back for the new one now that it's been installed twice and
admittedly there aren't any current functional issues with it. Also SWMBO
did really want that damn sprayer nozzle...

nate


The sprayer nozzle is a brilliant tool, although some primitive people don't
realize it. At this point in the conversation, I am 100% sure that any
malfunctions are the fault of the installer. Get with the program.