just finished replacing my kitchen sink yesterday... had to make a new
drain pipe for it, and also do some minor repair to the countertop (had
a hidden chip) anyway I got everything hooked up, turned on the water,
and... what a mess! my new faucet was leaking water everywhere. It
was a new Moen single handle deal with the spray nozzle, and it appeared
to be leaking down the hose to the spray nozzle. This faucet uses an
unusual method of connecting the hose to the faucet, instead of the
usual threaded connection it pushes into a plastic clip and seals with
O-rings. I suspect the plastic clip. Anyway, I'll be returning it and
getting another faucet. Do Delta faucets use a more conventional method
of connecting the sprayer nozzle hose? I put the old Delta faucet back
in and it is working fine, it's just that the girlie wants a new faucet
with a sprayer nozzle and this one doesn't have one.

Additionally, there was some serious foul-smelling black muck in the
drain pipe when I disconnected the part I was replacing. This is an
older house with cast iron drains, and it appeared that this muck was
only in the cast iron pipes, not the newer pvc stub out to the fixture.
Coincidence? Or should I think about having the pipes snaked out?
There was a pretty serious plug right at the 45 degree elbow going out
to the sink; probably 3/4 of the pipe was blocked. I knocked most of it
out with a screwdriver and the sink appears to be working OK now. (it
would occasionally drain slow before.)

nate

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On Dec 16, 8:33�am, Nate Nagel wrote:
just finished replacing my kitchen sink yesterday... �had to make a new
drain pipe for it, and also do some minor repair to the countertop (had
a hidden chip) anyway I got everything hooked up, turned on the water,
and... �what a mess! �my new faucet was leaking water everywhere. �It
was a new Moen single handle deal with the spray nozzle, and it appeared
to be leaking down the hose to the spray nozzle. �This faucet uses an
unusual method of connecting the hose to the faucet, instead of the
usual threaded connection it pushes into a plastic clip and seals with
O-rings. �I suspect the plastic clip. �Anyway, I'll be returning it and
getting another faucet. �Do Delta faucets use a more conventional method
of connecting the sprayer nozzle hose? �I put the old Delta faucet back
in and it is working fine, it's just that the girlie wants a new faucet
with a sprayer nozzle and this one doesn't have one.

Additionally, there was some serious foul-smelling black muck in the
drain pipe when I disconnected the part I was replacing. �This is an
older house with cast iron drains, and it appeared that this muck was
only in the cast iron pipes, not the newer pvc stub out to the fixture.
� Coincidence? �Or should I think about having the pipes snaked out?
There was a pretty serious plug right at the 45 degree elbow going out
to the sink; probably 3/4 of the pipe was blocked. �I knocked most of it
out with a screwdriver and the sink appears to be working OK now. �(it
would occasionally drain slow before.)

nate

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I have always had good luck with deltas, dont know about current spray
hose mounting my delta is about 1 years old.

cast iron pipe is rougher so gunk sticks, if your not having a problem
I would forget about it

dump a couple BIG pans of boiling water down the drain to clean it

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
just finished replacing my kitchen sink yesterday... had to make a new
drain pipe for it, and also do some minor repair to the countertop (had a
hidden chip) anyway I got everything hooked up, turned on the water,
and... what a mess! my new faucet was leaking water everywhere. It was
a new Moen single handle deal with the spray nozzle, and it appeared to be
leaking down the hose to the spray nozzle. This faucet uses an unusual
method of connecting the hose to the faucet, instead of the usual threaded
connection it pushes into a plastic clip and seals with O-rings. I
suspect the plastic clip. Anyway, I'll be returning it and getting
another faucet. Do Delta faucets use a more conventional method of
connecting the sprayer nozzle hose? I put the old Delta faucet back in
and it is working fine, it's just that the girlie wants a new faucet with
a sprayer nozzle and this one doesn't have one.

Additionally, there was some serious foul-smelling black muck in the drain
pipe when I disconnected the part I was replacing. This is an older house
with cast iron drains, and it appeared that this muck was only in the cast
iron pipes, not the newer pvc stub out to the fixture. Coincidence? Or
should I think about having the pipes snaked out? There was a pretty
serious plug right at the 45 degree elbow going out to the sink; probably
3/4 of the pipe was blocked. I knocked most of it out with a screwdriver
and the sink appears to be working OK now. (it would occasionally drain
slow before.)

nate



If you like the style of the Moen, wait till Monday and call them. They're
very good at helping customers solve problems, if my experience is any
indication. I've installed several of their products without any problems at
all.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...

just finished replacing my kitchen sink yesterday... had to make a new
drain pipe for it, and also do some minor repair to the countertop (had a
hidden chip) anyway I got everything hooked up, turned on the water,
and... what a mess! my new faucet was leaking water everywhere. It was
a new Moen single handle deal with the spray nozzle, and it appeared to be
leaking down the hose to the spray nozzle. This faucet uses an unusual
method of connecting the hose to the faucet, instead of the usual threaded
connection it pushes into a plastic clip and seals with O-rings. I
suspect the plastic clip. Anyway, I'll be returning it and getting
another faucet. Do Delta faucets use a more conventional method of
connecting the sprayer nozzle hose? I put the old Delta faucet back in
and it is working fine, it's just that the girlie wants a new faucet with
a sprayer nozzle and this one doesn't have one.

Additionally, there was some serious foul-smelling black muck in the drain
pipe when I disconnected the part I was replacing. This is an older house
with cast iron drains, and it appeared that this muck was only in the cast
iron pipes, not the newer pvc stub out to the fixture. Coincidence? Or
should I think about having the pipes snaked out? There was a pretty
serious plug right at the 45 degree elbow going out to the sink; probably
3/4 of the pipe was blocked. I knocked most of it out with a screwdriver
and the sink appears to be working OK now. (it would occasionally drain
slow before.)

nate




If you like the style of the Moen, wait till Monday and call them. They're
very good at helping customers solve problems, if my experience is any
indication. I've installed several of their products without any problems at
all.



I don't care much about style, SWMBO picked it out.

We did look particularly at Moen based on the recommendation of the guys
at the plumbing supply house. They said that they preferred Moen and
Delta with a slight edge to Moen, which is why I was surprised when it
was not my work that leaked but the faucet itself. Meanwhile the 20
year old Delta is still working fine but doesn't have the sprayer nozzle
which was the whole point of the exercise.

Hallerb said he had a year-old Delta, I'd be curious to know if it had
the standard threaded connection between the sprayer hose and faucet. I
get the impression that they don't make radical changes to their designs
very often.

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote:
....

We did look particularly at Moen based on the recommendation of the guys
at the plumbing supply house. They said that they preferred Moen and
Delta with a slight edge to Moen, which is why I was surprised when it
was not my work that leaked but the faucet itself. Meanwhile the 20
year old Delta is still working fine but doesn't have the sprayer nozzle
which was the whole point of the exercise.
....

I've not installed a recent Moen, but I'd be _very_ surprised if it's a
generic design defect. I'd check first of all that the installation was
actually correct (maybe if it's somewhat unusual the order of rings,
etc., might be wrong?) or there's a piece missing or something similar.
If there were a generic problem, you wouldn't be the first. If you
can't figure out the problem, take it back to the supply and find out
the cause.

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"dpb" wrote in message ...
Nate Nagel wrote:
...

We did look particularly at Moen based on the recommendation of the guys
at the plumbing supply house. They said that they preferred Moen and
Delta with a slight edge to Moen, which is why I was surprised when it
was not my work that leaked but the faucet itself. Meanwhile the 20 year
old Delta is still working fine but doesn't have the sprayer nozzle which
was the whole point of the exercise.
...

I've not installed a recent Moen, but I'd be _very_ surprised if it's a
generic design defect. I'd check first of all that the installation was
actually correct (maybe if it's somewhat unusual the order of rings, etc.,
might be wrong?) or there's a piece missing or something similar.
If there were a generic problem, you wouldn't be the first. If you can't
figure out the problem, take it back to the supply and find out the cause.

--


If Moen changed the design, eliminating the traditional threaded fitting, my
*guess* it they did it because the fitting in question can be tricky to
reach, and that can result in cross threading. Know what I mean, when you
can't get your hand at the correct angle?

I'd prefer to struggle with the right kind of fitting, though. Everyone
knows you turn the fitting backward till you hear or feel the first click,
and then go forward.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"dpb" wrote in message ...

Nate Nagel wrote:
...


We did look particularly at Moen based on the recommendation of the guys
at the plumbing supply house. They said that they preferred Moen and
Delta with a slight edge to Moen, which is why I was surprised when it
was not my work that leaked but the faucet itself. Meanwhile the 20 year
old Delta is still working fine but doesn't have the sprayer nozzle which
was the whole point of the exercise.

...

I've not installed a recent Moen, but I'd be _very_ surprised if it's a
generic design defect. I'd check first of all that the installation was
actually correct (maybe if it's somewhat unusual the order of rings, etc.,
might be wrong?) or there's a piece missing or something similar.
If there were a generic problem, you wouldn't be the first. If you can't
figure out the problem, take it back to the supply and find out the cause.

--



If Moen changed the design, eliminating the traditional threaded fitting, my
*guess* it they did it because the fitting in question can be tricky to
reach, and that can result in cross threading. Know what I mean, when you
can't get your hand at the correct angle?

I'd prefer to struggle with the right kind of fitting, though. Everyone
knows you turn the fitting backward till you hear or feel the first click,
and then go forward.


Right, and I assembled the faucet to the sink *before* dropping it into
the countertop. I won't have that option this time around however

nate


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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:47:38 -0500, Nate Nagel
wrote:

SNIP
Hallerb said he had a year-old Delta, I'd be curious to know if it had
the standard threaded connection between the sprayer hose and faucet. I
get the impression that they don't make radical changes to their designs
very often.

nate

I like Delta. Not sure if you're talking about the type where the end
of the spout pulls out for spaying, or the separate sprayer that sits
in an extra hole. The Delta's with the pull out sprays have a threaded
connection with an o-ring seal to the spout. (At least as of a year or
so ago.) I have two and haven't had any trouble with them leaking.

HTH, Paul F

In article , Nate Nagel wrote:
just finished replacing my kitchen sink yesterday... had to make a new
drain pipe for it, and also do some minor repair to the countertop (had
a hidden chip) anyway I got everything hooked up, turned on the water,
and... what a mess! my new faucet was leaking water everywhere. It
was a new Moen single handle deal with the spray nozzle, and it appeared
to be leaking down the hose to the spray nozzle. This faucet uses an
unusual method of connecting the hose to the faucet, instead of the
usual threaded connection it pushes into a plastic clip and seals with
O-rings. I suspect the plastic clip. Anyway, I'll be returning it and
getting another faucet. Do Delta faucets use a more conventional method
of connecting the sprayer nozzle hose? I put the old Delta faucet back
in and it is working fine, it's just that the girlie wants a new faucet
with a sprayer nozzle and this one doesn't have one.

There's nothing fundamentally flawed about the plastic
quick-release fittings on the spray line. I have a Grohe
faucet that's lasted 10 years (including a deinstall/
reinstall when we replaced the countertop). Never leaked!

I fully expect it to last another 10 years or more.

If your supplier can't help you sort this out, call
Moen because they will. Moen faucets *are* good quality
and Moen will stand behind them.


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Nate Nagel wrote:
just finished replacing my kitchen sink yesterday... had to make a new
drain pipe for it, and also do some minor repair to the countertop (had
a hidden chip) anyway I got everything hooked up, turned on the water,
and... what a mess! my new faucet was leaking water everywhere. It
was a new Moen single handle deal with the spray nozzle, and it appeared
to be leaking down the hose to the spray nozzle. This faucet uses an
unusual method of connecting the hose to the faucet, instead of the
usual threaded connection it pushes into a plastic clip and seals with
O-rings. I suspect the plastic clip. Anyway, I'll be returning it and
getting another faucet. Do Delta faucets use a more conventional method
of connecting the sprayer nozzle hose? I put the old Delta faucet back
in and it is working fine, it's just that the girlie wants a new faucet
with a sprayer nozzle and this one doesn't have one.

Additionally, there was some serious foul-smelling black muck in the
drain pipe when I disconnected the part I was replacing. This is an
older house with cast iron drains, and it appeared that this muck was
only in the cast iron pipes, not the newer pvc stub out to the fixture.
Coincidence? Or should I think about having the pipes snaked out?
There was a pretty serious plug right at the 45 degree elbow going out
to the sink; probably 3/4 of the pipe was blocked. I knocked most of it
out with a screwdriver and the sink appears to be working OK now. (it
would occasionally drain slow before.)

nate


Update: was able again to make it home early from work today, took
faucet back to supply place, neither I nor counter guy could see
anything wrong with it. I asked for a pair of o-rings for the sprayer
nozzle connection and tried it again. On a whim, I lubed the O-rings
with silicone grease prior to installation thinking that that is what I
would do if I were installing them on a car, so why not here? Also I
think the ones I got as replacements are ever so slightly larger in
cross-section than the original ones. et voila, works perfectly. I
guess either one of the o-rings had a minor flaw that I couldn't see or
I nicked/twisted it on installation in a way that I couldn't see.
Anyway, it's in there now and now I can consider the kitchen sink
project almost complete.

on to the next issue...

nate

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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:12:46 -0500, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote:
just finished replacing my kitchen sink yesterday... had to make a new
drain pipe for it, and also do some minor repair to the countertop (had
a hidden chip) anyway I got everything hooked up, turned on the water,
and... what a mess! my new faucet was leaking water everywhere. It
was a new Moen single handle deal with the spray nozzle, and it appeared
to be leaking down the hose to the spray nozzle. This faucet uses an
unusual method of connecting the hose to the faucet, instead of the
usual threaded connection it pushes into a plastic clip and seals with
O-rings. I suspect the plastic clip. Anyway, I'll be returning it and
getting another faucet. Do Delta faucets use a more conventional method
of connecting the sprayer nozzle hose? I put the old Delta faucet back
in and it is working fine, it's just that the girlie wants a new faucet
with a sprayer nozzle and this one doesn't have one.

Additionally, there was some serious foul-smelling black muck in the
drain pipe when I disconnected the part I was replacing. This is an
older house with cast iron drains, and it appeared that this muck was
only in the cast iron pipes, not the newer pvc stub out to the fixture.
Coincidence? Or should I think about having the pipes snaked out?
There was a pretty serious plug right at the 45 degree elbow going out
to the sink; probably 3/4 of the pipe was blocked. I knocked most of it
out with a screwdriver and the sink appears to be working OK now. (it
would occasionally drain slow before.)

nate


Update: was able again to make it home early from work today, took
faucet back to supply place, neither I nor counter guy could see
anything wrong with it. I asked for a pair of o-rings for the sprayer
nozzle connection and tried it again. On a whim, I lubed the O-rings
with silicone grease prior to installation thinking that that is what I
would do if I were installing them on a car, so why not here? Also I
think the ones I got as replacements are ever so slightly larger in
cross-section than the original ones. et voila, works perfectly. I
guess either one of the o-rings had a minor flaw that I couldn't see or
I nicked/twisted it on installation in a way that I couldn't see.
Anyway, it's in there now and now I can consider the kitchen sink
project almost complete.

on to the next issue...

nate

The bride happy? You will enjoy the Moen for years!

The o-rings for my pool filter and strainer basket are pre-lubricated
(embedded). I still use a little spray lube and have good results.

The o-rings can be tricky.