I assume that most of us here want to enjoy our lives
and want our children and grandchildren to have an
equally good or better life.

To that end, an overwhelming concensus of REAL science
is that humans have caused the looming catastrophe of
global warming. The evidence is pouring in (pun intended)
for those who choose to see.

Unfortunately, the global warming deniers, who are closely
linked to the present Administration, are still clinging to
their myth and promulgating it in the remaining few media
that will push the myth -- for political reasons.

It is no secret that this Administration is run by and for
the extractive industries -- oil, coal, natural gas, forests --
with all regard for the bottom line, and NO regard for
the future of our children and grandchildren; indeed,
for our only home, the Earth.

Nor is it any secret that Fox TV functions as the
television arm of the White House.

A particularly damning video of Fox TV global warming deniers
can be viewed at

http://foxattacks.com/

At that URL, we are given a chance to protest to Home
Depot about its advertising on Fox TV.

I don't enjoy shopping at "Home Despot" for a variety
of reasons. Now I have another reason to ask them
to shape up about global warming, or lose my business.

Hope you will view the video and take action.

Concerned Consumer

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:33:23 -0700, Concerned Consumer wrote:

Now I have another reason to ask them
to shape up about global warming, or lose my business.

Bring 'em too their knees!
--
Oren

...through the use of electrical or duct tape, achieve the configuration in the photo..

How much carbon emissions were required to run the computers and monitors
on which your silly screed was seen?


Seems to me that the only ethical thing a consumer as concerned as you
profess
to be can do to alleviate your worries is to off yourself.

Your personal carbon footprint will be diminished, and you will no
longer cause
others to consume so much fossil fuel generated electricity reading
your rants.

Have a nice day.

Drop dead.

Concerned Consumer wrote:

I assume that most of us here want to enjoy our lives
and want our children and grandchildren to have an
equally good or better life.

To that end, an overwhelming concensus of REAL science
is that humans have caused the looming catastrophe of
global warming. The evidence is pouring in (pun intended)
for those who choose to see.

Unfortunately, the global warming deniers, who are closely
linked to the present Administration, are still clinging to
their myth and promulgating it in the remaining few media
that will push the myth -- for political reasons.

It is no secret that this Administration is run by and for
the extractive industries -- oil, coal, natural gas, forests --
with all regard for the bottom line, and NO regard for
the future of our children and grandchildren; indeed,
for our only home, the Earth.

Nor is it any secret that Fox TV functions as the
television arm of the White House.

A particularly damning video of Fox TV global warming deniers
can be viewed at

http://foxattacks.com/

At that URL, we are given a chance to protest to Home
Depot about its advertising on Fox TV.

I don't enjoy shopping at "Home Despot" for a variety
of reasons. Now I have another reason to ask them
to shape up about global warming, or lose my business.

Hope you will view the video and take action.

Concerned Consumer

How much carbon emissions were required to run the computers and monitors
on which your silly screed was seen?


Seems to me that the only ethical thing a consumer as concerned as you
profess
to be can do to alleviate your worries is to off yourself.

Your personal carbon footprint will be diminished, and you will no
longer cause
others to consume so much fossil fuel generated electricity reading
your rants.

Have a nice day.

Drop dead.

Concerned Consumer wrote:

I assume that most of us here want to enjoy our lives
and want our children and grandchildren to have an
equally good or better life.

To that end, an overwhelming concensus of REAL science
is that humans have caused the looming catastrophe of
global warming. The evidence is pouring in (pun intended)
for those who choose to see.

Unfortunately, the global warming deniers, who are closely
linked to the present Administration, are still clinging to
their myth and promulgating it in the remaining few media
that will push the myth -- for political reasons.

It is no secret that this Administration is run by and for
the extractive industries -- oil, coal, natural gas, forests --
with all regard for the bottom line, and NO regard for
the future of our children and grandchildren; indeed,
for our only home, the Earth.

Nor is it any secret that Fox TV functions as the
television arm of the White House.

A particularly damning video of Fox TV global warming deniers
can be viewed at

http://foxattacks.com/

At that URL, we are given a chance to protest to Home
Depot about its advertising on Fox TV.

I don't enjoy shopping at "Home Despot" for a variety
of reasons. Now I have another reason to ask them
to shape up about global warming, or lose my business.

Hope you will view the video and take action.

Concerned Consumer

How much carbon emissions were required to run the computers and monitors
on which your silly screed was seen?


Seems to me that the only ethical thing a consumer as concerned as you
profess
to be can do to alleviate your worries is to off yourself.

Your personal carbon footprint will be diminished, and you will no
longer cause
others to consume so much fossil fuel generated electricity reading
your rants.

Have a nice day.

Drop dead.

Concerned Consumer wrote:

I assume that most of us here want to enjoy our lives
and want our children and grandchildren to have an
equally good or better life.

To that end, an overwhelming concensus of REAL science
is that humans have caused the looming catastrophe of
global warming. The evidence is pouring in (pun intended)
for those who choose to see.

Unfortunately, the global warming deniers, who are closely
linked to the present Administration, are still clinging to
their myth and promulgating it in the remaining few media
that will push the myth -- for political reasons.

It is no secret that this Administration is run by and for
the extractive industries -- oil, coal, natural gas, forests --
with all regard for the bottom line, and NO regard for
the future of our children and grandchildren; indeed,
for our only home, the Earth.

Nor is it any secret that Fox TV functions as the
television arm of the White House.

A particularly damning video of Fox TV global warming deniers
can be viewed at

http://foxattacks.com/

At that URL, we are given a chance to protest to Home
Depot about its advertising on Fox TV.

I don't enjoy shopping at "Home Despot" for a variety
of reasons. Now I have another reason to ask them
to shape up about global warming, or lose my business.

Hope you will view the video and take action.

Concerned Consumer

On Aug 20, 11:33 am, Concerned Consumer wrote:
I assume that most of us here want to enjoy our lives
and want our children and grandchildren to have an
equally good or better life.

To that end, an overwhelming concensus of REAL science
is that humans have caused the looming catastrophe of
global warming. The evidence is pouring in (pun intended)
for those who choose to see.

Unfortunately, the global warming deniers, who are closely
linked to the present Administration, are still clinging to
their myth and promulgating it in the remaining few media
that will push the myth -- for political reasons.

It is no secret that this Administration is run by and for
the extractive industries -- oil, coal, natural gas, forests --
with all regard for the bottom line, and NO regard for
the future of our children and grandchildren; indeed,
for our only home, the Earth.

Nor is it any secret that Fox TV functions as the
television arm of the White House.

A particularly damning video of Fox TV global warming deniers
can be viewed at

http://foxattacks.com/

At that URL, we are given a chance to protest to Home
Depot about its advertising on Fox TV.

I don't enjoy shopping at "Home Despot" for a variety
of reasons. Now I have another reason to ask them
to shape up about global warming, or lose my business.

Hope you will view the video and take action.

Concerned Consumer

By this logic the previous ice age should not have ended long before
industrialized man. Global warming ended the ice age, it's a natual
thing for temperature to shift.

Global warming or not, the current scare is a political ploy by
communist wannabees to turn the good ole USA into their warped
vision of a socialist paradise.

Not on my watch.

GFY

Concerned Consumer wrote:
I assume that most of us here want to enjoy our lives
and want our children and grandchildren to have an
equally good or better life.

To that end, an overwhelming concensus of REAL science
is that humans have caused the looming catastrophe of
global warming. The evidence is pouring in (pun intended)
for those who choose to see.

[...]

Sorry, I don't have time to get involved - I'm too busy making money. I

f I had an SUV that ran on owls - and if owls were cheap enough - it'd be
okay by me.

And, as long as you're into renewable resources, remember, whale oil is a
renewable resource. To hell with this new-fangled Kerosene-lighting crap.

On Aug 20, 3:23 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Concerned Consumer wrote:
I assume that most of us here want to enjoy our lives
and want our children and grandchildren to have an
equally good or better life.

To that end, an overwhelming concensus of REAL science
is that humans have caused the looming catastrophe of
global warming. The evidence is pouring in (pun intended)
for those who choose to see.

[...]

Sorry, I don't have time to get involved - I'm too busy making money. I

f I had an SUV that ran on owls - and if owls were cheap enough - it'd be
okay by me.

And, as long as you're into renewable resources, remember, whale oil is a
renewable resource. To hell with this new-fangled Kerosene-lighting crap.


Home Depot advertises on FOX? I didn't know that. Thanks to our
political hack poster friend for pointing that out to me. I'll make
sure I give them more of my business now.

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:50:08 -0000, wrote:

Home Depot advertises on FOX? I didn't know that. Thanks to our
political hack poster friend for pointing that out to me. I'll make
sure I give them more of my business now.

On night Janice Dean, Meteorologist, was a guest of the RED EYE show.
She hinted she is a natural red head, but said she died here hair to
join FOX .

She added: .."the carpet don't match the rug".. I really enjoy the
weather updates

--
Oren

...through the use of electrical or duct tape, achieve the configuration in the photo..

On Aug 20, 4:46 pm, T. Rex wrote:
In article , Concerned
Consumer says...



I assume that most of us here want to enjoy our lives
and want our children and grandchildren to have an
equally good or better life.

To that end, an overwhelming concensus of REAL science
is that humans have caused the looming catastrophe of
global warming.

What a load of crap. The "warming" is less than 6/10 of one degree
Celsius since 1880 -- and most of that came between 1880 and 1940, which
is BEFORE the bulk of the human activity that is alleged to have caused
it. That, all by itself, is more than sufficient to debunk the hoax of
supposedly human-caused global warming.

The one I'm still waiting for an explanation on is this. There are
graphs that are widely used by the global warming crowd that show 3
complete cycles of warming and cooling going back about 700,000
years. In every one of those cycles, TEMP rises 200 to 1500 years
BEFORE CO2 starts to rise. I've yet to hear any explanation, let
alone a credible one of how this can be if CO2 is causing the temp
rise.

On the other hand, I've heard a professor of ocean science at MIT
explain why it's this way. The Earth warms up first, causing the
oceans, which are the great reservoir of CO2, to release CO2. Because
the oceans are so deep, it takes hundreds of years after the Earth
starts to warm for the CO2 to rise. Just like warming a soda bottle
causes it to release CO2.

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:46:53 GMT, T. Rex wrote:

What a load of crap. The "warming" is less than 6/10 of one degree
Celsius since 1880 -- and most of that came between 1880 and 1940, which
is BEFORE the bulk of the human activity that is alleged to have caused
it. That, all by itself, is more than sufficient to debunk the hoax of
supposedly human-caused global warming.

Some might even blame this warming on gases past by cows. Not sure of
the name of this gas, or the Octane.

--
Oren

"The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!"

Hope you will view the video and take action.

Concerned Consumer

Hope Fox consumes your nuts

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:33:23 -0700, wrote:

I don't enjoy shopping at "Home Despot" for a variety of reasons.


Real men do.


--
coffee
Linux Registered User #449534

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:50:08 -0000, wrote Re
Home Depot , Fox TV, and Global Warming:

Home Depot advertises on FOX? I didn't know that. Thanks to our
political hack poster friend for pointing that out to me. I'll make
sure I give them more of my business now.

Ditto. I've been shopping at Lowes, but will switch to HD now.

Caesar Romano wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:50:08 -0000, wrote Re
Home Depot , Fox TV, and Global Warming:


Home Depot advertises on FOX? I didn't know that. Thanks to our
political hack poster friend for pointing that out to me. I'll make
sure I give them more of my business now.


Ditto. I've been shopping at Lowes, but will switch to HD now.
"Global Warmiing" is a myth .. .. the warmest years on record were
1934-1935 .. .. and just a few years ago, the "scientists" that are
predicting out torrid demise were warning about the "impending" ice-age.
Make up your minds just what you want us to be alarmed about and
stick with it .. .. some scientists !! !! !!

__ Bob __ wrote:

"Global Warmiing" is a myth .. .. the warmest years on record were
1934-1935 .. .. and just a few years ago, the "scientists" that are
predicting out torrid demise were warning about the "impending"
ice-age. Make up your minds just what you want us to be alarmed
about and stick with it .. .. some scientists !! !! !!

You, and others like you, simply do not understand.

It's not "global warming" that's important, it's belonging to a group that
drives them. Solidarity, function, a goal, comrades, a shared purpose,
something to live for - those are the really important issues.

"In the main, people join a mass movement first and only then adopt the
goals of the movement."

"Membership in mass movements is interchangeable. Members of a mass movement
are almost always also members of other - often unrelated - mass movements."
(Save the whales, Burn the bra, Mothers Against Drunk Driving, have the same
members.)

"People mind their own business when it's worth minding. When it's not, they
take their mind off their own meaningless affairs by minding other people's
business."

"A mass movement can exist without a god, but it will always fail without a
devil. It must have something to hate."

Quotes from: "The True Believer," by Eric Hoffer.

"HeyBub" quotes from: "The True Believer"
__ Bob __ wrote:

"Global Warmiing" is a myth .. .. the warmest years on record
were 1934-1935 .. .. and just a few years ago, the "scientists"
that are predicting out torrid demise were warning about the
"impending" ice-age. Make up your minds just what you want us
to be alarmed about and stick with it .. .. some scientists !!

I'd appreciate a cite for those warmest years.

You, and others like you, simply do not understand.

It's not "global warming" that's important, it's belonging
to a group that drives them. Solidarity, function, a goal,
comrades, a shared purpose, something to live for - those
are the really important issues.

"In the main, people join a mass movement first and only
then adopt the goals of the movement."

Interestingly, in many cases, the founders of the movement
depart because of the extremism that occurs after these
"me-too" people infiltrate the movement.

"Membership in mass movements is interchangeable. Members
of a mass movement are almost always also members of other
- often unrelated - mass movements." (Save the whales,
Burn the bra, Mothers Against Drunk Driving, have the same
members.)

"People mind their own business when it's worth minding. When
it's not, they take their mind off their own meaningless
affairs by minding other people's business."

Political-correctness is a great example of mass movement
fascism.

"A mass movement can exist without a god, but it will always
fail without a devil. It must have something to hate."

One's willingness to hate is inversely related to the
quality of one's life.

Dick

- At a personal level, I am truly grateful that those who
gave up tobacco, did not give up sex.

At the same time as our global warming, similar warming
of Mars cannot be attributed to human activities.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html

But, then, the alarmists will promptly ignore such information.


On Aug 20, 12:33 pm, Concerned Consumer wrote:
I assume that most of us here want to enjoy our lives
and want our children and grandchildren to have an
equally good or better life.

To that end, an overwhelming concensus of REAL science
is that humans have caused the looming catastrophe of
global warming. The evidence is pouring in (pun intended)
for those who choose to see.

Unfortunately, the global warming deniers, who are closely
linked to the present Administration, are still clinging to
their myth and promulgating it in the remaining few media
that will push the myth -- for political reasons.

It is no secret that this Administration is run by and for
the extractive industries -- oil, coal, natural gas, forests --
with all regard for the bottom line, and NO regard for
the future of our children and grandchildren; indeed,
for our only home, the Earth.

Nor is it any secret that Fox TV functions as the
television arm of the White House.

A particularly damning video of Fox TV global warming deniers
can be viewed at

http://foxattacks.com/

At that URL, we are given a chance to protest to Home
Depot about its advertising on Fox TV.

I don't enjoy shopping at "Home Despot" for a variety
of reasons. Now I have another reason to ask them
to shape up about global warming, or lose my business.

Hope you will view the video and take action.

Concerned Consumer

on 8/20/2007 5:52 PM said the following:
On Aug 20, 4:46 pm, T. Rex wrote:

In article , Concerned
Consumer says...




I assume that most of us here want to enjoy our lives
and want our children and grandchildren to have an
equally good or better life.

To that end, an overwhelming concensus of REAL science
is that humans have caused the looming catastrophe of
global warming.

What a load of crap. The "warming" is less than 6/10 of one degree
Celsius since 1880 -- and most of that came between 1880 and 1940, which
is BEFORE the bulk of the human activity that is alleged to have caused
it. That, all by itself, is more than sufficient to debunk the hoax of
supposedly human-caused global warming.


The one I'm still waiting for an explanation on is this. There are
graphs that are widely used by the global warming crowd that show 3
complete cycles of warming and cooling going back about 700,000
years. In every one of those cycles, TEMP rises 200 to 1500 years
BEFORE CO2 starts to rise. I've yet to hear any explanation, let
alone a credible one of how this can be if CO2 is causing the temp
rise.

On the other hand, I've heard a professor of ocean science at MIT
explain why it's this way. The Earth warms up first, causing the
oceans, which are the great reservoir of CO2, to release CO2. Because
the oceans are so deep, it takes hundreds of years after the Earth
starts to warm for the CO2 to rise. Just like warming a soda bottle
causes it to release CO2.



Dinosaur farts caused past warmings.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Dick Adams wrote:
"HeyBub" quotes from: "The True Believer"
__ Bob __ wrote:

"Global Warmiing" is a myth .. .. the warmest years on record
were 1934-1935 .. .. and just a few years ago, the "scientists"
that are predicting out torrid demise were warning about the
"impending" ice-age. Make up your minds just what you want us
to be alarmed about and stick with it .. .. some scientists !!

I'd appreciate a cite for those warmest years.


Here ya go:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...erature15.html

The real story is the perfidy involved in the temperature tabulations and
how (some) scientists tried to cover up the fudging.

Google: (1934+NASA) to catch up on the scandal.

On Aug 21, 9:53 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Dick Adams wrote:
"HeyBub" quotes from: "The True Believer"
__ Bob __ wrote:

"Global Warmiing" is a myth .. .. the warmest years on record
were 1934-1935 .. .. and just a few years ago, the "scientists"
that are predicting out torrid demise were warning about the
"impending" ice-age. Make up your minds just what you want us
to be alarmed about and stick with it .. .. some scientists !!

I'd appreciate a cite for those warmest years.

Here ya go:http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...5_temperature1...

Your link appears to indicate that 1934 was the warmest year on record
in
the United States, and that the change in the records did not affect
global
temperatures.

It is tempting to equate the United States with the world, but it is
simply not
the case. Global temperatures are up, regardless of any variations in
a
particular location.

We can argue over the causes of global warming, and whether changing
our
consumption of fossil fuels will have any good effect. However, I am
convinced
that reduction of consumption is a good thing regardless of the reason
why
we do it. I don't spend every cent of my paycheck, and I don't think
we
should wait until we're out of oil before figuring out what else we
can use.

Cindy Hamilton

In article .com,
Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On Aug 21, 9:53 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Dick Adams wrote:
"HeyBub" quotes from: "The True Believer"
__ Bob __ wrote:

"Global Warmiing" is a myth .. .. the warmest years on record
were 1934-1935 .. .. and just a few years ago, the "scientists"
that are predicting out torrid demise were warning about the
"impending" ice-age. Make up your minds just what you want us
to be alarmed about and stick with it .. .. some scientists !!

I'd appreciate a cite for those warmest years.

Here ya
go:http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...5_temperature1...

Your link appears to indicate that 1934 was the warmest year on record
in
the United States, and that the change in the records did not affect
global
temperatures.

It is tempting to equate the United States with the world, but it is
simply not
the case. Global temperatures are up, regardless of any variations in
a
particular location.

We can argue over the causes of global warming, and whether changing
our
consumption of fossil fuels will have any good effect. However, I am
convinced
that reduction of consumption is a good thing regardless of the reason
why
we do it. I don't spend every cent of my paycheck, and I don't think
we
should wait until we're out of oil before figuring out what else we
can use.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy, I applaud your evangelical spirit, but this is totally OT for
this group. And, as you've seen, this group is largely populated by
people who don't agree with you, and never will, scientific evidence be
damned. So take it somewhere else, please.

Smitty Two writes:

Cindy, I applaud your evangelical spirit, but this is totally OT for
this group. And, as you've seen, this group is largely populated by
people who don't agree with you, and never will, scientific evidence be
damned. So take it somewhere else, please.

Agree that it's off-topic.

As to the larger population, that's an assertion on your
part with no evidence.

Yes a few skeptics have posted their opinions,
but that does not prove a majority.
It could very well be that the majority realizes
that this is completely off topic.

For my part, I don't like the climbing CO2 levels.
The evidence for that is very clear.
I KNOW I can't breath that stuff.

on 8/21/2007 11:59 AM Dan Espen said the following:
Smitty Two writes:


Cindy, I applaud your evangelical spirit, but this is totally OT for
this group. And, as you've seen, this group is largely populated by
people who don't agree with you, and never will, scientific evidence be
damned. So take it somewhere else, please.


Agree that it's off-topic.

As to the larger population, that's an assertion on your
part with no evidence.

Yes a few skeptics have posted their opinions,
but that does not prove a majority.
It could very well be that the majority realizes
that this is completely off topic.

For my part, I don't like the climbing CO2 levels.
The evidence for that is very clear.
I KNOW I can't breath that stuff.


It seems that the most vocal of the global warming issue are the
celebrities, who espouse that we all use less energy so that less fossil
fuels are used to generate the energy. I notice in fan magazines that
pictures of almost all of the celebrities multi-million dollar homes
have no visible means of using solar power, i.e., no solar panels, or
other energy saving devices on their multi-roofed mansions. The only
exception that I have seen is Julia Robert's home, which has solar
panels on all roofs for electricity and hot water.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

on 8/21/2007 12:14 PM willshak said the following:
on 8/21/2007 11:59 AM Dan Espen said the following:
Smitty Two writes:


Cindy, I applaud your evangelical spirit, but this is totally OT for
this group. And, as you've seen, this group is largely populated by
people who don't agree with you, and never will, scientific evidence
be damned. So take it somewhere else, please.


Agree that it's off-topic.

As to the larger population, that's an assertion on your
part with no evidence.

Yes a few skeptics have posted their opinions,
but that does not prove a majority.
It could very well be that the majority realizes
that this is completely off topic.

For my part, I don't like the climbing CO2 levels.
The evidence for that is very clear.
I KNOW I can't breath that stuff.


It seems that the most vocal of the global warming issue are the
celebrities, who espouse that we all use less energy so that less
fossil fuels are used to generate the energy. I notice in fan
magazines that pictures of almost all of the celebrities multi-million
dollar homes have no visible means of using solar power, i.e., no
solar panels, or other energy saving devices on their multi-roofed
mansions. The only exception that I have seen is Julia Robert's home,
which has solar panels on all roofs for electricity and hot water.

Also, for the most vocal, and public, effect of global warming,
including an Academy Award.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...022801823.html

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Aug 21, 9:53 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Dick Adams wrote:
"HeyBub" quotes from: "The True Believer"
__ Bob __ wrote:

"Global Warmiing" is a myth .. .. the warmest years on record
were 1934-1935 .. .. and just a few years ago, the "scientists"
that are predicting out torrid demise were warning about the
"impending" ice-age. Make up your minds just what you want us
to be alarmed about and stick with it .. .. some scientists !!

I'd appreciate a cite for those warmest years.

Here ya
go:http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...5_temperature1...

Your link appears to indicate that 1934 was the warmest year on record
in
the United States, and that the change in the records did not affect
global
temperatures.


True, but the Canadian researcher had access only to the US records. His
re-tabulation puts the lie to the notion that everything's been warming up
since WW2.


It is tempting to equate the United States with the world, but it is
simply not
the case. Global temperatures are up, regardless of any variations in
a
particular location.

True. But a hundred years worth of data is worth some consideration.


We can argue over the causes of global warming, and whether changing
our
consumption of fossil fuels will have any good effect. However, I am
convinced
that reduction of consumption is a good thing regardless of the reason
why
we do it. I don't spend every cent of my paycheck, and I don't think
we
should wait until we're out of oil before figuring out what else we
can use.

We are not running out of oil. Ever year, EVERY YEAR, since they started
keeping records, oil reserves have increased world wide. And even if we DO
run out of oil, we'll find an alternative. The Romans ran out of wood, much
of Europe ran out of coal. There will be an alternative.

And are you equally convinced that reduction of consumption is a good thing
regardless of the consequences? Do you really want to go back to 1933? Think
Polio, Smallpox. Think DENISTRY!


Cindy Hamilton

Dan Espen wrote:

For my part, I don't like the climbing CO2 levels.
The evidence for that is very clear.
I KNOW I can't breath that stuff.

You can't breathe Argon either, but it's 25 times more abundant than CO2.

Composition of the atmosphe

Nitrogen - 78.1%
Oxygen - 20.9 %
Argon - 0.9%
Carbon Dioxide - 0.035%

Today's CO2 density is about 350ppm. Some time ago (Cambrian period), when
the average global temperature was about the same as now (22c) but the CO2
density was about 7,000ppm.
http://ff.org/centers/csspp/library/...18/dioxide.htm

"HeyBub" writes:

Dan Espen wrote:

For my part, I don't like the climbing CO2 levels.
The evidence for that is very clear.
I KNOW I can't breath that stuff.

You can't breathe Argon either, but it's 25 times more abundant than CO2.

Composition of the atmosphe

Nitrogen - 78.1%
Oxygen - 20.9 %
Argon - 0.9%
Carbon Dioxide - 0.035%

Today's CO2 density is about 350ppm. Some time ago (Cambrian period), when
the average global temperature was about the same as now (22c) but the CO2
density was about 7,000ppm.
http://ff.org/centers/csspp/library/...18/dioxide.htm

According to:

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/sio-mlo.htm

1959 315PPM
2004 377PPM

According to Wikipedia, parts above 800PPM
are considered unhealthy, above 5,000PPM
are very unhealthy and 50,000 are dangerous.

Guess I can breath easier now.

Not worried about Argon, it's inert.

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:33:23 -0700, Concerned Consumer wrote:

I don't enjoy shopping at "Home Despot" for a variety
of reasons. Now I have another reason to ask them
to shape up about global warming, or lose my business.

It's not Home Depot's fault, it's moose farts:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...501145,00.html

On Aug 21, 4:32 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Aug 21, 9:53 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Dick Adams wrote:
"HeyBub" quotes from: "The True Believer"
__ Bob __ wrote:

"Global Warmiing" is a myth .. .. the warmest years on record
were 1934-1935 .. .. and just a few years ago, the "scientists"
that are predicting out torrid demise were warning about the
"impending" ice-age. Make up your minds just what you want us
to be alarmed about and stick with it .. .. some scientists !!

I'd appreciate a cite for those warmest years.

Here ya
go:http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...5_temperature1...

Your link appears to indicate that 1934 was the warmest year on record
in
the United States, and that the change in the records did not affect
global
temperatures.

True, but the Canadian researcher had access only to the US records. His
re-tabulation puts the lie to the notion that everything's been warming up
since WW2.



It is tempting to equate the United States with the world, but it is
simply not
the case. Global temperatures are up, regardless of any variations in
a
particular location.

True. But a hundred years worth of data is worth some consideration.



We can argue over the causes of global warming, and whether changing
our
consumption of fossil fuels will have any good effect. However, I am
convinced
that reduction of consumption is a good thing regardless of the reason
why
we do it. I don't spend every cent of my paycheck, and I don't think
we
should wait until we're out of oil before figuring out what else we
can use.

We are not running out of oil. Ever year, EVERY YEAR, since they started
keeping records, oil reserves have increased world wide.

No, our knowledge of where the oil can be found has increased. The
amount of oil
has decreased.

And even if we DO
run out of oil, we'll find an alternative. The Romans ran out of wood, much
of Europe ran out of coal. There will be an alternative.

We won't find an alternative unless we look. Doesn't it seem
imprudent
to wait until it's almost gone, when we could develop alternatives
sooner?

And are you equally convinced that reduction of consumption is a good thing
regardless of the consequences? Do you really want to go back to 1933? Think
Polio, Smallpox. Think DENISTRY!

Somehow I fail to see the connection between consuming fewer scarce
resources and forgetting how to vaccinate people.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy, excuse top posting... just wanted to say that while your
efforts are valiant, you are addressing an audience that seems to have
been influenced by the whore scientists recruited by
the Administration and its extractive-industry/academia pimps.

I haven't bothered to follow the thread in detail, as I've heard
the pseudo-scientific arguments before. As to some of the other
posters, there is a strong "apres moi le deluge" component
to their " thinking". Don't they have children -- grandchildren?

What I found particularly delightful was the series of posts -- some,
ISTR from Adams? -- denouncing, in paranoid terms, the thousands of
responsible scientists, as well as concerned citizens, as belonging to
"movements" aimed at turning the US into a "socialist paradise", and
linking those concerned with our posterity to Save the Whales, Mothers
Against Drunk Driving, etc. Their POV on 9/11, fluoride, etc. must
make hilarious reading.

For an excellent article on how the "global warming deniers"
are recruited, and by whom -- naming names -- see the
August 13 Newsweek.

Concerned Consumer



On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:37:58 -0700, Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Aug 21, 4:32 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Aug 21, 9:53 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Dick Adams wrote:
"HeyBub" quotes from: "The True Believer"
__ Bob __ wrote:

"Global Warmiing" is a myth .. .. the warmest years on record
were 1934-1935 .. .. and just a few years ago, the "scientists"
that are predicting out torrid demise were warning about the
"impending" ice-age. Make up your minds just what you want us
to be alarmed about and stick with it .. .. some scientists !!

I'd appreciate a cite for those warmest years.

Here ya
go:http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...5_temperature1...

Your link appears to indicate that 1934 was the warmest year on record
in
the United States, and that the change in the records did not affect
global
temperatures.

True, but the Canadian researcher had access only to the US records. His
re-tabulation puts the lie to the notion that everything's been warming up
since WW2.



It is tempting to equate the United States with the world, but it is
simply not
the case. Global temperatures are up, regardless of any variations in
a
particular location.

True. But a hundred years worth of data is worth some consideration.



We can argue over the causes of global warming, and whether changing
our
consumption of fossil fuels will have any good effect. However, I am
convinced
that reduction of consumption is a good thing regardless of the reason
why
we do it. I don't spend every cent of my paycheck, and I don't think
we
should wait until we're out of oil before figuring out what else we
can use.

We are not running out of oil. Ever year, EVERY YEAR, since they started
keeping records, oil reserves have increased world wide.

No, our knowledge of where the oil can be found has increased. The
amount of oil
has decreased.

And even if we DO
run out of oil, we'll find an alternative. The Romans ran out of wood, much
of Europe ran out of coal. There will be an alternative.

We won't find an alternative unless we look. Doesn't it seem
imprudent
to wait until it's almost gone, when we could develop alternatives
sooner?

And are you equally convinced that reduction of consumption is a good thing
regardless of the consequences? Do you really want to go back to 1933? Think
Polio, Smallpox. Think DENISTRY!

Somehow I fail to see the connection between consuming fewer scarce
resources and forgetting how to vaccinate people.

Cindy Hamilton

On Aug 22, 9:42 pm, Concerned Consumer wrote:
Cindy, excuse top posting... just wanted to say that while your
efforts are valiant, you are addressing an audience that seems to have
been influenced by the whore scientists recruited by
the Administration and its extractive-industry/academia pimps.

I haven't bothered to follow the thread in detail, as I've heard
the pseudo-scientific arguments before. As to some of the other
posters, there is a strong "apres moi le deluge" component
to their " thinking". Don't they have children -- grandchildren?

What I found particularly delightful was the series of posts -- some,
ISTR from Adams? -- denouncing, in paranoid terms, the thousands of
responsible scientists, as well as concerned citizens, as belonging to
"movements" aimed at turning the US into a "socialist paradise", and
linking those concerned with our posterity to Save the Whales, Mothers
Against Drunk Driving, etc. Their POV on 9/11, fluoride, etc. must
make hilarious reading.

For an excellent article on how the "global warming deniers"
are recruited, and by whom -- naming names -- see the
August 13 Newsweek.

Thanks. Regardless of how one feels about global warming, the deniers
seem like the person who will spend the last dollar in his bank
account
without regard for whether they'll need it for a rainy day. Frankly,
my view
is that petroleum is so valuable for its non-fuel uses that it's
absurd to
burn it for its energy value. (Of course, I'm not a chemist; perhaps
the
results of cracking crude oil yield plenty of goodies apart from
fuel. I
should take a look; it might be interesting reading.)

Cindy Hamilton

Concerned Consumer

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:37:58 -0700, Cindy Hamilton



wrote:
On Aug 21, 4:32 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Aug 21, 9:53 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Dick Adams wrote:
"HeyBub" quotes from: "The True Believer"
__ Bob __ wrote:

"Global Warmiing" is a myth .. .. the warmest years on record
were 1934-1935 .. .. and just a few years ago, the "scientists"
that are predicting out torrid demise were warning about the
"impending" ice-age. Make up your minds just what you want us
to be alarmed about and stick with it .. .. some scientists !!

I'd appreciate a cite for those warmest years.

Here ya
go:http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...5_temperature1...

Your link appears to indicate that 1934 was the warmest year on record
in
the United States, and that the change in the records did not affect
global
temperatures.

True, but the Canadian researcher had access only to the US records. His
re-tabulation puts the lie to the notion that everything's been warming up
since WW2.

It is tempting to equate the United States with the world, but it is
simply not
the case. Global temperatures are up, regardless of any variations in
a
particular location.

True. But a hundred years worth of data is worth some consideration.

We can argue over the causes of global warming, and whether changing
our
consumption of fossil fuels will have any good effect. However, I am
convinced
that reduction of consumption is a good thing regardless of the reason
why
we do it. I don't spend every cent of my paycheck, and I don't think
we
should wait until we're out of oil before figuring out what else we
can use.

We are not running out of oil. Ever year, EVERY YEAR, since they started
keeping records, oil reserves have increased world wide.

No, our knowledge of where the oil can be found has increased. The
amount of oil
has decreased.

And even if we DO
run out of oil, we'll find an alternative. The Romans ran out of wood, much
of Europe ran out of coal. There will be an alternative.

We won't find an alternative unless we look. Doesn't it seem
imprudent
to wait until it's almost gone, when we could develop alternatives
sooner?

And are you equally convinced that reduction of consumption is a good thing
regardless of the consequences? Do you really want to go back to 1933? Think
Polio, Smallpox. Think DENISTRY!

Somehow I fail to see the connection between consuming fewer scarce
resources and forgetting how to vaccinate people.

Cindy Hamilton

On Aug 23, 8:52 am, Cindy Hamilton
wrote:
On Aug 22, 9:42 pm, Concerned Consumer wrote:





Cindy, excuse top posting... just wanted to say that while your
efforts are valiant, you are addressing an audience that seems to have
been influenced by the whore scientists recruited by
the Administration and its extractive-industry/academia pimps.

I haven't bothered to follow the thread in detail, as I've heard
the pseudo-scientific arguments before. As to some of the other
posters, there is a strong "apres moi le deluge" component
to their " thinking". Don't they have children -- grandchildren?

What I found particularly delightful was the series of posts -- some,
ISTR from Adams? -- denouncing, in paranoid terms, the thousands of
responsible scientists, as well as concerned citizens, as belonging to
"movements" aimed at turning the US into a "socialist paradise", and
linking those concerned with our posterity to Save the Whales, Mothers
Against Drunk Driving, etc. Their POV on 9/11, fluoride, etc. must
make hilarious reading.

For an excellent article on how the "global warming deniers"
are recruited, and by whom -- naming names -- see the
August 13 Newsweek.

Thanks. Regardless of how one feels about global warming, the deniers
seem like the person who will spend the last dollar in his bank
account
without regard for whether they'll need it for a rainy day. Frankly,
my view
is that petroleum is so valuable for its non-fuel uses that it's
absurd to
burn it for its energy value. (Of course, I'm not a chemist; perhaps
the
results of cracking crude oil yield plenty of goodies apart from
fuel. I
should take a look; it might be interesting reading.)

Cindy Hamilton


Cindy, since you're so knowledgable about CO2 and global warming,
what's the answer to my question? You've seen those graphs that show
3 complete cycles of minor warming/cooling and CO2 levels over the
last 700,000 years. The graphs are all over the internet, you can
pull them up from various sources. These are the graphs AL Gore uses
when he laughs and says "See any relationship?" And sure enough Temp
and CO2 rise and fall together. But what no one will address is
this:

If CO2 CAUSES global warming, why, in every one of those cycles, does
the graph show that TEMP starts going up 200 to 1500 years BEFORE CO2?

I've heard reputable scientists, including an ocean scientist at MIT
offer a very straightforward and logical explanation: The big
reservoirs of CO2 are the oceans. As the Earth warms due to some
other cause, most likely the Sun, the oceans start to release more
CO2, just like a warming soda bottle. Because the oceans are so deep,
it takes hundreds of years for the release to raise the CO2 level in
the air.


And your explanation would be? See if you can find one from any of
the global warming alarmists. And if they don't have one, while
dismissing anyone that raises even a simple question like this as some
kind of holocaust denying idiot, doesn't that bother you?

On Aug 20, 3:30 pm, "kpg*" wrote:
Global warming or not, the current scare is a political ploy by
communist wannabees to turn the good ole USA into their warped
vision of a socialist paradise.

Not on my watch.

GFY

Paranoia strikes deep...
Into your mind it will creep....

In article .com,
z wrote:

On Aug 20, 3:30 pm, "kpg*" wrote:
Global warming or not, the current scare is a political ploy by
communist wannabees to turn the good ole USA into their warped
vision of a socialist paradise.

Not on my watch.

GFY

Paranoia strikes deep...
Into your mind it will creep....

It starts when you're always afraid...

On Aug 23, 7:52 am, Cindy Hamilton
wrote:
On Aug 22, 9:42 pm, Concerned Consumer wrote:





Cindy, excuse top posting... just wanted to say that while your
efforts are valiant, you are addressing an audience that seems to have
been influenced by the whore scientists recruited by
the Administration and its extractive-industry/academia pimps.

I haven't bothered to follow the thread in detail, as I've heard
the pseudo-scientific arguments before. As to some of the other
posters, there is a strong "apres moi le deluge" component
to their " thinking". Don't they have children -- grandchildren?

What I found particularly delightful was the series of posts -- some,
ISTR from Adams? -- denouncing, in paranoid terms, the thousands of
responsible scientists, as well as concerned citizens, as belonging to
"movements" aimed at turning the US into a "socialist paradise", and
linking those concerned with our posterity to Save the Whales, Mothers
Against Drunk Driving, etc. Their POV on 9/11, fluoride, etc. must
make hilarious reading.

For an excellent article on how the "global warming deniers"
are recruited, and by whom -- naming names -- see the
August 13 Newsweek.

Thanks. Regardless of how one feels about global warming, the deniers
seem like the person who will spend the last dollar in his bank
account
without regard for whether they'll need it for a rainy day. Frankly,
my view
is that petroleum is so valuable for its non-fuel uses that it's
absurd to
burn it for its energy value. (Of course, I'm not a chemist; perhaps
the
results of cracking crude oil yield plenty of goodies apart from
fuel. I
should take a look; it might be interesting reading.)

Cindy Hamilton



Concerned Consumer

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:37:58 -0700, Cindy Hamilton

wrote:
On Aug 21, 4:32 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Aug 21, 9:53 am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Dick Adams wrote:
"HeyBub" quotes from: "The True Believer"
__ Bob __ wrote:

"Global Warmiing" is a myth .. .. the warmest years on record
were 1934-1935 .. .. and just a few years ago, the "scientists"
that are predicting out torrid demise were warning about the
"impending" ice-age. Make up your minds just what you want us
to be alarmed about and stick with it .. .. some scientists !!

I'd appreciate a cite for those warmest years.

Here ya
go:http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...5_temperature1...

Your link appears to indicate that 1934 was the warmest year on record
in
the United States, and that the change in the records did not affect
global
temperatures.

True, but the Canadian researcher had access only to the US records. His
re-tabulation puts the lie to the notion that everything's been warming up
since WW2.

It is tempting to equate the United States with the world, but it is
simply not
the case. Global temperatures are up, regardless of any variations in
a
particular location.

True. But a hundred years worth of data is worth some consideration.

We can argue over the causes of global warming, and whether changing
our
consumption of fossil fuels will have any good effect. However, I am
convinced
that reduction of consumption is a good thing regardless of the reason
why
we do it. I don't spend every cent of my paycheck, and I don't think
we
should wait until we're out of oil before figuring out what else we
can use.

We are not running out of oil. Ever year, EVERY YEAR, since they started
keeping records, oil reserves have increased world wide.

No, our knowledge of where the oil can be found has increased. The
amount of oil
has decreased.

And even if we DO
run out of oil, we'll find an alternative. The Romans ran out of wood, much
of Europe ran out of coal. There will be an alternative.

We won't find an alternative unless we look. Doesn't it seem
imprudent
to wait until it's almost gone, when we could develop alternatives
sooner?

And are you equally convinced that reduction of consumption is a good thing
regardless of the consequences? Do you really want to go back to 1933? Think
Polio, Smallpox. Think DENISTRY!

Somehow I fail to see the connection between consuming fewer scarce
resources and forgetting how to vaccinate people.

Cindy Hamilton- Hide quoted text -

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Why did the last ice age end?

on 8/23/2007 4:58 PM RickH said the following:
On Aug 23, 7:52 am, Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Aug 22, 9:42 pm, Concerned Consumer wrote:






Cindy, excuse top posting... just wanted to say that while your
efforts are valiant, you are addressing an audience that seems to have
been influenced by the whore scientists recruited by
the Administration and its extractive-industry/academia pimps.

I haven't bothered to follow the thread in detail, as I've heard
the pseudo-scientific arguments before. As to some of the other
posters, there is a strong "apres moi le deluge" component
to their " thinking". Don't they have children -- grandchildren?

What I found particularly delightful was the series of posts -- some,
ISTR from Adams? -- denouncing, in paranoid terms, the thousands of
responsible scientists, as well as concerned citizens, as belonging to
"movements" aimed at turning the US into a "socialist paradise", and
linking those concerned with our posterity to Save the Whales, Mothers
Against Drunk Driving, etc. Their POV on 9/11, fluoride, etc. must
make hilarious reading.

For an excellent article on how the "global warming deniers"
are recruited, and by whom -- naming names -- see the
August 13 Newsweek.

Thanks. Regardless of how one feels about global warming, the deniers
seem like the person who will spend the last dollar in his bank
account
without regard for whether they'll need it for a rainy day. Frankly,
my view
is that petroleum is so valuable for its non-fuel uses that it's
absurd to
burn it for its energy value. (Of course, I'm not a chemist; perhaps
the
results of cracking crude oil yield plenty of goodies apart from
fuel. I
should take a look; it might be interesting reading.)

Cindy Hamilton




Concerned Consumer

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:37:58 -0700, Cindy Hamilton

wrote:

On Aug 21, 4:32 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On Aug 21, 9:53 am, "HeyBub" wrote:

Dick Adams wrote:

"HeyBub" quotes from: "The True Believer"

__ Bob __ wrote:

"Global Warmiing" is a myth .. .. the warmest years on record
were 1934-1935 .. .. and just a few years ago, the "scientists"
that are predicting out torrid demise were warning about the
"impending" ice-age. Make up your minds just what you want us
to be alarmed about and stick with it .. .. some scientists !!

I'd appreciate a cite for those warmest years.

Here ya
go:http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...5_temperature1...

Your link appears to indicate that 1934 was the warmest year on record
in
the United States, and that the change in the records did not affect
global
temperatures.

True, but the Canadian researcher had access only to the US records. His
re-tabulation puts the lie to the notion that everything's been warming up
since WW2.

It is tempting to equate the United States with the world, but it is
simply not
the case. Global temperatures are up, regardless of any variations in
a
particular location.

True. But a hundred years worth of data is worth some consideration.

We can argue over the causes of global warming, and whether changing
our
consumption of fossil fuels will have any good effect. However, I am
convinced
that reduction of consumption is a good thing regardless of the reason
why
we do it. I don't spend every cent of my paycheck, and I don't think
we
should wait until we're out of oil before figuring out what else we
can use.

We are not running out of oil. Ever year, EVERY YEAR, since they started
keeping records, oil reserves have increased world wide.

No, our knowledge of where the oil can be found has increased. The
amount of oil
has decreased.

And even if we DO
run out of oil, we'll find an alternative. The Romans ran out of wood, much
of Europe ran out of coal. There will be an alternative.

We won't find an alternative unless we look. Doesn't it seem
imprudent
to wait until it's almost gone, when we could develop alternatives
sooner?

And are you equally convinced that reduction of consumption is a good thing
regardless of the consequences? Do you really want to go back to 1933? Think
Polio, Smallpox. Think DENISTRY!

Somehow I fail to see the connection between consuming fewer scarce
resources and forgetting how to vaccinate people.

Cindy Hamilton- Hide quoted text -

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Why did the last ice age end?




It got warmer. :-)

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:58:29 -0700, RickH
wrote Re Home Depot , Fox TV, and
Global Warming:

Why did the last ice age end?

Global warming.

In article , wrote:
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:58:29 -0700, RickH
wrote Re Home Depot , Fox TV, and
Global Warming:

Why did the last ice age end?

Global warming.

No doubt from human consumption of fossil fuel.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.