Up to my groin in snow.
Just a few drifts.
*poke, poke, poke*
"There's a car in here somewhere..."

Robatoy wrote:

Up to my groin in snow.
Just a few drifts.
*poke, poke, poke*
"There's a car in here somewhere..."

28 degrees here in hot sunny (not) Texas... Brrrr! I'm leaving for
Hawaii Monday morning

Pete C.

According to the Drudge Report, a House Hearing on Global Warming was
cancelled due to the ice storm.

Jack

wrote in message
According to the Drudge Report, a House Hearing on Global Warming was
cancelled due to the ice storm.


Poor Al ... if he had the courage of his convictions he's probably got rid
of all his coats by now.

Naaahhh!


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All right guys, settle down. The experts have said we have global
warming, so you are gonna believe it and like it.

And no big stink from the peanut gallery, either.

I couln't stand it if Al Gore swept the Oscars.

Robert

On 14 Feb 2007 11:02:41 -0800, "Robatoy" wrote:

Up to my groin in snow.
Just a few drifts.
*poke, poke, poke*
"There's a car in here somewhere..."


Call that guy who invented the internet. Ask him to dig it out for
you. If he not too busy still counting missing chads in Florida he
might help you out.

On 14 Feb 2007 14:28:03 -0800, "
wrote:

All right guys, settle down. The experts have said we have global
warming, so you are gonna believe it and like it.

And no big stink from the peanut gallery, either.

I couln't stand it if Al Gore swept the Oscars.

I dunno--if he got the idea that he could have a career in show biz it
might keep him out of politics. On the other hand it didn't stop
Hanoi Jane.

In article .com, "Robatoy" wrote:
Up to my groin in snow.
Just a few drifts.
*poke, poke, poke*
"There's a car in here somewhere..."

I hear you, man -- my son and I just finished shoveling eleven inches of
global warming out of our driveway. Right up next to the garage, the global
warming was drifted up to mid-thigh. Overnight lows the next coupla nights are
predicted below zero, and that's Fahrenheit. I'm sure to the folks in
Minnesota, that seems kinda balmy... but it's pretty dang cold for
Indianapolis. For most of the last week or two, our daily highs have been
colder than the normal *low* for this time of year.

I think I've had about all the global warming I can take.

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wrote:
All right guys, settle down. The experts have said we have global
warming, so you are gonna believe it and like it.

I'm sure everyone is aware of this, but just in case...

The concept of global warming is just that...a global annual average.
Those who predict it are *also* predicting more extreme weather in
general. So its quite possible to both have global warming and harsh
winters.

Chris

Robatoy wrote:

Up to my groin in snow.
Just a few drifts.
*poke, poke, poke*
"There's a car in here somewhere..."

OK people. Think climate change rather than increases in temp wherever
you might be. Some places may experience nastier or better weather but
the overall change is an increase in temp with polar caps and glaciers
melting. It's been happening for years now. Not gonna get better.
Drive hybrid, save a polar bear.
luck to all,
jo4hn

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:01:25 -0800, jo4hn
wrote:

OK people. Think climate change rather than increases in temp wherever
you might be. Some places may experience nastier or better weather but
the overall change is an increase in temp with polar caps and glaciers
melting. It's been happening for years now. Not gonna get better.
Drive hybrid, save a polar bear.
luck to all,
jo4hn

It has been happening for years, for eons even. Millions of years
before man ever appeared the earth was warming and cooling.

Drive SUVs and remember to save a tree you might think about wiping
with spotted owls.

Joe

wrote:

I couln't stand it if Al Gore swept the Oscars.

OK, I'll ask, "Why not?"

Lew

wrote in message
All right guys, settle down. The experts have said we have global
warming, so you are gonna believe it and like it.

And no big stink from the peanut gallery, either.


But, but, but .... OK, if I have to to get along. But the equally touted
"Look out! the Ice Age is coming" back in the 70's has got me sorta cynical
about "lies, damn lies and statistics", if you know what I mean, Vern?

I couln't stand it if Al Gore swept the Oscars.

Hell will freeze over first ... well, maybe just one, with a little "o",
just to keep the gullible gullible.

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Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, global warming causes all kinds of mayhem including
the hurricanes, tornados, hailstorms, lightning storms, and lest we
forget, it definitely caused Pangea to split apart.

These idiots that you call scientists were the same ones, 30 years ago
that were saying that we were all doomed because another ice age was
coming soon.

Show me a scientist who says that there is global warming and I'll
show you a hundred more who say that there are only global cycles and
a very dynamic planet that is constantly changing.

The fossil records speak very clearly. Areas 10,000 years ago were
once deserts, now they are lush and other areas where giant lakes and
forests are now arid.

Global cycles yes, man made global warming, a big fat NO.

Steve


On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:57:48 -0600, Chris Friesen
wrote:

The concept of global warming is just that...a global annual average.
Those who predict it are *also* predicting more extreme weather in
general. So its quite possible to both have global warming and harsh
winters.

Chris

"Chris Friesen" wrote in message
...
wrote:
All right guys, settle down. The experts have said we have global
warming, so you are gonna believe it and like it.

I'm sure everyone is aware of this, but just in case...

The concept of global warming is just that...a global annual average.
Those who predict it are *also* predicting more extreme weather in
general. So its quite possible to both have global warming and harsh
winters.

Chris

The Earth has been worming since the Ice Age. Since 1999 it has been
cooling off and the ice at Antarctica has increased by over 10% in the past
few years.

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
ink.net...
wrote:

I couln't stand it if Al Gore swept the Oscars.

OK, I'll ask, "Why not?"


Al Gore's head would explode.

Leon wrote:

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
ink.net...
wrote:

I couln't stand it if Al Gore swept the Oscars.

OK, I'll ask, "Why not?"

Al Gore's head would explode.

That would be a good thing... especially if caught on tape so we can
replay it over and over...

On Feb 14, 5:29 pm, Joe Bleau wrote:
On 14 Feb 2007 11:02:41 -0800, "Robatoy" wrote:

Up to my groin in snow.
Just a few drifts.
*poke, poke, poke*
"There's a car in here somewhere..."

Call that guy who invented the internet. Ask him to dig it out for
you. If he not too busy still counting missing chads in Florida he
might help you out.

Gore never said that. Just another Rove hatchet job.
Gore did have a lot to do with the growth and funding of them thar
intarweb tubes.
There are a lot of Americans who are wondering how things would have
turned out had the popular vote actually won in 2000.
I have not seen Gore's movie, but many people that have, liked it.

Obama/Clarke 2008. ANYbody but that douche-nozzle Clinton. I have said
too much.

Were there ANY hurricanesin 2006? That is so weird... what, there 5
big mofo's in 2005?

"Robatoy" wrote in message

Obama/Clarke 2008. ANYbody but that douche-nozzle Clinton. I have said
too much.

ROTFLMAO! ... where the hell is Pat Paulson when you need him??


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In article , "Leon" wrote:

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
link.net...
wrote:

I couln't stand it if Al Gore swept the Oscars.

OK, I'll ask, "Why not?"

Al Gore's head would explode.

And the problem with that is... ?

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On Feb 14, 2:02 pm, "Robatoy" wrote:
Up to my groin in snow.
Just a few drifts.
*poke, poke, poke*
"There's a car in here somewhere..."

Temperature changes cause weather patterns to shift. It's about the
average GLOBAL temperature, not local.

Mike

In article . com, "Robatoy" wrote:
On Feb 14, 5:29 pm, Joe Bleau wrote:
On 14 Feb 2007 11:02:41 -0800, "Robatoy" wrote:

Up to my groin in snow.
Just a few drifts.
*poke, poke, poke*
"There's a car in here somewhere..."

Call that guy who invented the internet. Ask him to dig it out for
you. If he not too busy still counting missing chads in Florida he
might help you out.

Gore never said that. Just another Rove hatchet job.

Gore did say, quote, "I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

And Karl Rove had absolutely nothing to do with it.


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On Feb 14, 8:07 pm, "Leon" wrote:
The Earth has been worming since the Ice Age. Since 1999 it has been
cooling off and the ice at Antarctica has increased by over 10% in the past
few years.

That one year is warmer or cooler than the next is irrelevent; it's
about the historical trend.
See the graph at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Image:Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png

Mike

"Robatoy" wrote in message
ups.com...
Gore never said that.

Tha's quite true. He actually said that he created it. Some people just
needed to change to words a bit.

wrote in message
On Feb 14, 8:07 pm, "Leon" wrote:
The Earth has been worming since the Ice Age. Since 1999 it has been
cooling off and the ice at Antarctica has increased by over 10% in the
past
few years.

That one year is warmer or cooler than the next is irrelevent; it's
about the historical trend.

Sure thing, Bubba ... barely 100 years of record keeping out of, give or
take a few millions, and only the last 70 really counting for the supposed
culprit, manmade greenhouse gases, is a what I would call a real valid,
statistical, and historical, trend ... albeit a little short on the
"historical", but what the hell.

BTW, wanna buy my Rolex? ... it's real too, I promise.

See the graph at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Image:Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png

Wikipedia!!??? ... damn I wish you hadn't invoked the JUDGE of JUDGES!! ...
my gawd, it must be right, I mean WIKIPEDIA, where any one can logon edit
the data?? Jeeaaz, we _are_ sunk, what with all the cow farts, and now
WIKIPEDIA as evidence, indeed we're doomed.

But really now, just between us ... doesn't it kinda make you wonder how
those millions upon millions upon millions of buffalo, and teeming herds of
deer and elk, eating those prairie grasses for eons, held 'em in for so
long?

ITMT, I think I'll go have a steak ...

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In article et, "CW" wrote:

"Robatoy" wrote in message
oups.com...
Gore never said that.

Tha's quite true. He actually said that he created it. Some people just
needed to change to words a bit.

Not quite -- he said "I took the initiative in creating the internet."

Which *also* wasn't true.

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It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On Feb 14, 8:55 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:


Gore did say, quote, "I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

That is a long ways from claiming he invented the internet. That is
Rove spin.

The rest is out-of-context semantics.

Here is Snopes:

Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say
anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The "Al Gore
said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs were misleading, out-of-
context distortions of something he said during an interview with Wolf
Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked
to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the
Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New
Jersey, Gore replied (in part):


"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the
initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving
forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important
to our country's economic growth and environmental protection,
improvements in our educational system."

Snopes continues:

Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and perhaps self-
serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the
sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was
responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the
development the
technology that we now know as the Internet. To claim that Gore was
seriously trying to take credit for the "invention" of the Internet
is, frankly, just silly political posturing that arose out of a close
presidential campaign. Gore never used the word "invent," and the
words "create" and "invent" have distinctly different meanings.

On Feb 14, 9:17 pm, "CW" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message

ups.com...

Gore never said that.

Tha's quite true. He actually said that he created it. Some people just
needed to change to words a bit.

Context....context.

Snopes=another Gore apologist. Event the Democrats (dip****s) realized that
Gore had not only stuck his foot in his mouth but swallowed the whole leg.
They spent a lot of time doing damage control. If you had watched the
interview, Gore's intent was clear.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 14, 8:55 pm, (Doug Miller) wrote:


Gore did say, quote, "I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

"Robatoy" wrote in message
On Feb 14, 9:17 pm, "CW" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message



Gore never said that.

Tha's quite true. He actually said that he created it. Some people just
needed to change to words a bit.

Context....context.


Interview with Wolf Blitzer of CNN. Transcript right he

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...anscript.gore/


When the Internet was "created", Gore was 21 and still in school.


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"Chris Friesen" wrote in message
...
wrote:
All right guys, settle down. The experts have said we have global
warming, so you are gonna believe it and like it.

I'm sure everyone is aware of this, but just in case...

The concept of global warming is just that...a global annual average.
Those who predict it are *also* predicting more extreme weather in
general. So its quite possible to both have global warming and harsh
winters.

Chris

Convenient isn't it? If it's hot, it's because of global warming, If it's
cold, it's because of global warming. If it's normal, it's because of
global warming. If we have lots of hurricanes, it's because of global
warming. If we have only a few or no hurricanes, it's because of global
warming.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve"
Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:38 PM
Subject: If this is global warming...

[Snip of Steve's opinions]

Steve,

Maybe these references will help you get up to speed on global warming.

http://peakoildesign.com/blog/peaken...myths_and_lies
See #5.
Also:
"Every now and again, the myth that "we shouldn't believe global warming
predictions now, because in the 1970's they were predicting an ice age
and/or cooling" surfaces. Recently, George Will mentioned it in his column
and the egregious Crichton manages to say "in the 1970's all the climate
scientists believed an ice age was coming" (see Michael Crichton's State of
Confusion ). You can find it in various other places too. But its not an
argument used by respectable and knowledgeable skeptics, because it crumbles
under analysis. That doesn't stop it repeatedly cropping up in *newsgroups*
though.
I should clarify that I'm talking about predictions in the scientific press.
There were some regrettable things published in the popular press (e.g.
Newsweek; though National Geographic did better). But we're only responsible
for the scientific press. If you want to look at an analysis of various
papers that mention the subject, then try
http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/."

Show me a scientist who says that there is global warming and I'll
show you a hundred more who say that there are only global cycles and
a very dynamic planet that is constantly changing.

Okay. I'll take you up on that. Show me the hundred that agree with your
opinion. Here are eight that say you are very wrong.
J Ren (China)
N Nicholls (Australia)
M Rusticucci (Argentina)
P Stott (UK)
U Lohmann (Switzerland)
R Stouffer (USA)
V Kattsov (Russia)
T Matsuno (Japan)

-Doug

"Leon" wrote in message
.. .

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
ink.net...
wrote:

I couln't stand it if Al Gore swept the Oscars.

OK, I'll ask, "Why not?"


Al Gore's head would explode.

Then he'd be All Gore.

"Swingman" wrote in message

[Snip of Swingman's opinions]


I do not understand the thought processes of people who believe that we can
dump 20+ billion tons (Gt) of CO2 gases into the atmosphere every year, year
after year, and not believe that it is going to have a major effect on the
earth's climate, considering that there is a definite direct positive
correlation between temperature and the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

-Doug

"Lee K" wrote in message

Convenient isn't it? If it's hot, it's because of global warming, If
it's
cold, it's because of global warming. If it's normal, it's because of
global warming. If we have lots of hurricanes, it's because of global
warming. If we have only a few or no hurricanes, it's because of global
warming.

Oh oh, now you've done it! ... the induced brain farts from that will
surely increase the greenhouse gasses.

I can feel it getting hot in here already.

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Joe Bleau wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:01:25 -0800, jo4hn
wrote:

OK people. Think climate change rather than increases in temp wherever
you might be. Some places may experience nastier or better weather but
the overall change is an increase in temp with polar caps and glaciers
melting. It's been happening for years now. Not gonna get better.
Drive hybrid, save a polar bear.
luck to all,
jo4hn


It has been happening for years, for eons even. Millions of years
before man ever appeared the earth was warming and cooling.

Drive SUVs and remember to save a tree you might think about wiping
with spotted owls.

Joe
Well, ignoring the cutsie bs about spotted owls and all, keep in mind
that Antarctic ice cores show that the current concentration of carbon
dioxide in the air is the highest that it has ever been (.3 million
years). The number of REFERREED scientific papers that scoff at man
aided CO2 is zero. Enough.
or you might try prayer,
jo4hn

"DouginUtah" wrote in message
...

"Swingman" wrote in message

[Snip of Swingman's opinions]


I do not understand the thought processes of people who believe that we
can dump 20+ billion tons (Gt) of CO2 gases into the atmosphere every
year, year after year, and not believe that it is going to have a major
effect on the earth's climate, considering that there is a definite direct
positive correlation between temperature and the amount of CO2 in the
atmosphere.

-Doug

Here's another indisputable correlation. Of all the people convicted of
murder in this county, over 99% of them ate bread at least once. With that
kind of correlation, I think it's obvious what the government should do.

todd

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:57:48 -0600, Chris Friesen
wrote:

wrote:
All right guys, settle down. The experts have said we have global
warming, so you are gonna believe it and like it.

I'm sure everyone is aware of this, but just in case...

The concept of global warming is just that...a global annual average.
Those who predict it are *also* predicting more extreme weather in
general. So its quite possible to both have global warming and harsh
winters.

Chris

It must be nice to be able to promote, and get tax-payer supported funding
for, a theory such that no matter what happens, those occurrences are
proof that your theory is correct.

Really hot summers? Proof of global warming.

Really cold winters? Proof of the temperature extremes being caused by
global warming.

Really warm winter (as of up to Jan this year)? Obvious

Really rainy summer? Proof of the extremes caused by global warming.

Lots of hurricanes? Proof of global warming

Lower than average number of hurricanes (2006), especially after the dire
predictions of 2005? .... crickets

Unfortunately, for the rest of us, our theories have to be demonstrated
in a more binary fashion.

Man, whatta racket.



+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Somebody wrote:

Sure thing, Bubba ... barely 100 years of record keeping out of,
give or
take a few millions, and only the last 70 really counting for the
supposed
culprit, manmade greenhouse gases, is a what I would call a real valid,
statistical, and historical, trend ... albeit a little short on the
"historical", but what the hell.

Only problem with the above is that it is not valid.

Historical data is determined by core samples, not temperature records.

Result is that historical trends being developed are perhaps more
accurate than we would like to admit.

The sooner man realizes that the world is a closed system, the better.

As the old saying goes, "What comes around, goes around."

Lew

"DouginUtah" wrote in message

"Swingman" wrote in message

[Snip of Swingman's opinions]


I do not understand the thought processes of people who believe that we
can

Well, I don't understand the lack of "thought processes" of those who can't
grasp the scientific difference between opinion, hypothesis, and theory ...
particulary those who continually engage in a demonstrable and unscientific
confusion of correlation and causation.

dump 20+ billion tons (Gt) of CO2 gases into the atmosphere every year,
year
after year, and not believe that it is going to have a major effect on the
earth's climate, considering that there is a definite direct positive
correlation between temperature and the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Otherwise known as "Statistics of small numbers" ... while you're add it,
add up the volcanoes and buffalo farts throughout history and see where they
lead you.

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