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Portable regulated CO2 system at Lowes
Lowes now sells a portable CO2 regulator for paintball tanks:
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...735-J-6901-100 For $90 (plus a paintball tank you have to supply?) you get regulated CO2 on a 10-foot hose with quick-connect fitting. Meant for running air tools from your belt, but looks like it would work fine for beverage applications. Anyone tried it or looked at it? |
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Richard J Kinch wrote:
Lowes now sells a portable CO2 regulator for paintball tanks: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...735-J-6901-100 For $90 (plus a paintball tank you have to supply?) you get regulated CO2 on a 10-foot hose with quick-connect fitting. Meant for running air tools from your belt, but looks like it would work fine for beverage applications. Anyone tried it or looked at it? I've noticed it in passing, but not investigated very far. I did notice that they sold the tanks as well. |
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Richard J Kinch wrote:
Lowes now sells a portable CO2 regulator for paintball tanks: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...735-J-6901-100 For $90 (plus a paintball tank you have to supply?) you get regulated CO2 on a 10-foot hose with quick-connect fitting. Meant for running air tools from your belt, but looks like it would work fine for beverage applications. Anyone tried it or looked at it? One other note: I'd be concerned about using CO2 in my air tools with the greater cooling effect than air, unknown effect on tool lubrication and potential for accidentally feeding liquid. The solution is easy however, just get air fills from a SCUBA shop instead of CO2. It's cheaper as well. |
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however, just get air fills from a SCUBA shop instead of CO2. It's
cheaper as well. Make sure they don't give you 3000 psi though! |
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Pete C. writes:
The solution is easy however, just get air fills from a SCUBA shop instead of CO2. You can't get much compressed air in a paintball tank, compared to the expanded volume of CO2. Depending on the delivery rate, the output CO2 gas should not be that cold. The tubing coil will warm it very effectively at low delivery rates. The tank is small enough that ambient heat will warm it directly. |
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Richard J Kinch wrote:
Lowes now sells a portable CO2 regulator for paintball tanks: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...735-J-6901-100 For $90 (plus a paintball tank you have to supply?) you get regulated CO2 on a 10-foot hose with quick-connect fitting. Meant for running air tools from your belt, but looks like it would work fine for beverage applications. Anyone tried it or looked at it? There's actually a product made for beer that uses one of these from Williams brewing: http://www.williamsbrewing.com/COMPA...STEM_P1796.cfm This is more pricey by far, but includes a keg and other stuff. The regulator (which is basically the main thing you need other than a tank and assorted hoses) runs around $85.00. I couldn't see what the range was on the Lowes regulator -- beer is usually dispensed at around 12PSI. Might even be cheaper to get a bev regulator and DIY your own adapter (assuming you need one) for a paintball tank, but I don't know. I think the only other problem is that iirc paintball fills tend to be expensive for the amount of gas you get. -- (Replies: cleanse my address of the Mark of the Beast!) Teleoperate a roving mobile robot from the web: http://www.swampgas.com/robotics/rover.html Coauthor with Dennis Clark of "Building Robot Drive Trains". Buy several copies today! |
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Newshound wrote:
however, just get air fills from a SCUBA shop instead of CO2. It's cheaper as well. Make sure they don't give you 3000 psi though! I'd hope anyone at a SCUBA shop doing fills would understand tank ratings, particularly if they have purchased the adapters to do paintball tanks. Of course you could also get a SCUBA tank and regulator with the appropriate QC adapter and have a nice large regulated air source. |
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Richard J Kinch wrote:
Pete C. writes: The solution is easy however, just get air fills from a SCUBA shop instead of CO2. You can't get much compressed air in a paintball tank, compared to the expanded volume of CO2. Depending on the delivery rate, the output CO2 gas should not be that cold. The tubing coil will warm it very effectively at low delivery rates. The tank is small enough that ambient heat will warm it directly. Put a high speed cutoff wheel saw on it (or similar high consumption tool) on it and watch it freeze the regulator. |
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"Pete C." wrote in message ... Richard J Kinch wrote: Lowes now sells a portable CO2 regulator for paintball tanks: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...735-J-6901-100 For $90 (plus a paintball tank you have to supply?) you get regulated CO2 on a 10-foot hose with quick-connect fitting. Meant for running air tools from your belt, but looks like it would work fine for beverage applications. Anyone tried it or looked at it? One other note: I'd be concerned about using CO2 in my air tools with the greater cooling effect than air, unknown effect on tool lubrication and potential for accidentally feeding liquid. The solution is easy however, just get air fills from a SCUBA shop instead of CO2. It's cheaper as well. But, it's next to useless. The amount of air you can store at CO2 pressures is very small. CO2 is stored as a liquid. The volume produced is way higher than air at the same pressure. Just like water produces way more volume in steam when you boil it. Bob |
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Pete C. writes:
Put a high speed cutoff wheel saw on it (or similar high consumption tool) on it and watch it freeze the regulator. Yeah, but it isn't really expected to handle that. More for nail guns that are just using an occasional puff. |
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Also the CO2 gas supply for drinks should not be industrial grade possibly
with oil and other contaminants, the gas should be identified for drink dispensers and be oil free. I used to buy nitrogen for a film processing machine, it had to be laboratory grade certified as oil free. "The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty" wrote in message ... Richard J Kinch wrote: Lowes now sells a portable CO2 regulator for paintball tanks: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...735-J-6901-100 For $90 (plus a paintball tank you have to supply?) you get regulated CO2 on a 10-foot hose with quick-connect fitting. Meant for running air tools from your belt, but looks like it would work fine for beverage applications. Anyone tried it or looked at it? There's actually a product made for beer that uses one of these from Williams brewing: http://www.williamsbrewing.com/COMPA...STEM_P1796.cfm This is more pricey by far, but includes a keg and other stuff. The regulator (which is basically the main thing you need other than a tank and assorted hoses) runs around $85.00. I couldn't see what the range was on the Lowes regulator -- beer is usually dispensed at around 12PSI. Might even be cheaper to get a bev regulator and DIY your own adapter (assuming you need one) for a paintball tank, but I don't know. I think the only other problem is that iirc paintball fills tend to be expensive for the amount of gas you get. -- (Replies: cleanse my address of the Mark of the Beast!) Teleoperate a roving mobile robot from the web: http://www.swampgas.com/robotics/rover.html Coauthor with Dennis Clark of "Building Robot Drive Trains". Buy several copies today! |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:50:05 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote: Newshound wrote: however, just get air fills from a SCUBA shop instead of CO2. It's cheaper as well. Make sure they don't give you 3000 psi though! I'd hope anyone at a SCUBA shop doing fills would understand tank ratings, particularly if they have purchased the adapters to do paintball tanks. Of course you could also get a SCUBA tank and regulator with the appropriate QC adapter and have a nice large regulated air source. I'm just going to hire a SCUBA diver to through Pepsi at my paintball adversaries. |
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"Pete C." wrote in
: Richard J Kinch wrote: Lowes now sells a portable CO2 regulator for paintball tanks: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...oductId=166441 -61735-J-6901-100 For $90 (plus a paintball tank you have to supply?) you get regulated CO2 on a 10-foot hose with quick-connect fitting. Meant for running air tools from your belt, but looks like it would work fine for beverage applications. Anyone tried it or looked at it? I've noticed it in passing, but not investigated very far. I did notice that they sold the tanks as well. you can get paintball tanks cheaper at WalMart. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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On Jun 18, 2:21 pm, "Pete C." wrote:
Richard J Kinch wrote: I've noticed it in passing, but not investigated very far. I did notice that they sold the tanks as well. Yeah I saw these yesterday at Lowes. The "Rhino Power" tanks(9oz or 20oz) are by Blue Rhino, the same folks that do the propane tank exchanges. It looks like they are setting up the same system at Lowes where you return the tank for exchange. However it is so new that no one at customer service could manage to perform the proper incantation for the point of sale computer to divulge the actual cost, after the return credit, of the co2 cylinder. I figured I'd wait a couple weeks and go ask again. Here is Blue Rhinos page http://www.bluerhino.com/rhinopower/index.html/ and an alternative to the Kobalt regulator. http://www.supplierpipeline.com/jacp...r=y&jacp ac=y |
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On Jun 18, 3:03 pm, "EXT" wrote:
Also the CO2 gas supply for drinks should not be industrial grade possibly with oil and other contaminants, the gas should be identified for drink dispensers and be oil free. I used to buy nitrogen for a film processing machine, it had to be laboratory grade certified as oil free. I was thinking about shooting an email to Blue Rhino and seeing if their CO2 is food grade or not. |
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On Jun 18, 2:44 pm, The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty
wrote: Might even be cheaper to get a bev regulator and DIY your own adapter (assuming you need one) for a paintball tank, but I don't know. I think the only other problem is that iirc paintball fills tend to be expensive for the amount of gas you get. I've seen plans arround the net for that very thing and also for a filling settup that uses a 20Lb CO2 tank mounted upside down to dispense liquid to fill the paintball cylinder. I'm not sure I have a pair big enough to do that myself but the plans are "out there". |
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"Bob F" wrote: (clip)Just like water produces way more volume in steam when you boil it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey, why not just fill the tank with water and throw it in a bonfire? Watt do you say to that? G |
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"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message ... "Bob F" wrote: (clip)Just like water produces way more volume in steam when you boil it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey, why not just fill the tank with water and throw it in a bonfire? Watt do you say to that? G The water might be hard on the tools. And they might get really hot. G |
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"Bob F" wrote in message . .. "Leo Lichtman" wrote in message ... "Bob F" wrote: (clip)Just like water produces way more volume in steam when you boil it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hey, why not just fill the tank with water and throw it in a bonfire? Watt do you say to that? G The water might be hard on the tools. And they might get really hot. G Have we just invented the steam engine? |
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Pete C. wrote:
One other note: I'd be concerned about using CO2 in my air tools with the greater cooling effect than air, unknown effect on tool lubrication and potential for accidentally feeding liquid. The solution is easy however, just get air fills from a SCUBA shop instead of CO2. It's cheaper as well. And it comes at pressures much higher than a paintball CO2 tank is safe with. CO2 at room temperature is in the 850 psi range, though it can get way higher on an overfilled tank. Paintball High Pressure Air tankks (HPA) are a whole different kettle of fish, both in pressure capacity and price as well. Both are much higher than for CO2 tanks. HPA tanks will happily take a 4500 psi fill, if you bought the good ones. CO2 tank burst disks are rated at 3000 psi. Filling a CO2 tank to it's rated pressure with air would get you about the same number of shots (nails, staples) as you would get from a CO2 fill without any liguid CO2. Not really worth the effort if you have to run to the fill station more times than you have to reload the nailer. By the time the CO2 has travelled through the reg and hoses, (where the reg limits pressure to 100 psi or so) you can be pretty sure that liquid CO2 is not an issue. Hoses would blow if the liquid got that far. At least the ones between the reg and the tool, wher e you can bet they are not selling you a 3000 psi rated hose to feed a 100 psi rated nailer or stapler. So. Air from the Scuba shop is about second in the list of bad ideas, right after using pure oxygen. :-) Cheers Trevor Jones |
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Pete C. wrote:
Put a high speed cutoff wheel saw on it (or similar high consumption tool) on it and watch it freeze the regulator. That would be kind of dumb. As well as self limiting. Read the instructions on the reg. Misuse it at your own peril. And wanna bet there is like to be a flow rate fuse or restrictor plate in the system to limit the CFM draw? Cheers Trevor Jones |
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The Artist Formerly Known as Kap'n Salty wrote:
http://www.williamsbrewing.com/COMPA...STEM_P1796.cfm This is more pricey by far, but includes a keg and other stuff. The regulator (which is basically the main thing you need other than a tank and assorted hoses) runs around $85.00. I couldn't see what the range was on the Lowes regulator -- beer is usually dispensed at around 12PSI. Might even be cheaper to get a bev regulator and DIY your own adapter (assuming you need one) for a paintball tank, but I don't know. I think the only other problem is that iirc paintball fills tend to be expensive for the amount of gas you get. That's kinda a neat little set-up! A friend of mine had two draft taps on the front of his fridge. He dissected a soda fountain dispenser to get the hardware, and ran the tank and reg right beside the fridge. Soda kegs hold pretty close to the amount of brew you get from a U-brew kit. :-) I have been looking at making a paintball tank adapter for my MIG welder. 20 oz of CO2 at the local supplier is about $10, and a fill for a baby bottle from the welding supply place is around $50, last I checked. For the amount of use I get out of the welder, it makes more sense to use what is cheap and available, even at a slightly higher cost for the consumables, I don't have the need for a large enough tank to get the prices down. When I was checking, I could buy CO2 for a bit over a buck a pound, to fill a 20 pound tank. Most of the paintball places were charging 50 cents an ounce or a bit more to fill tanks. shrug No one ever starved to death buying low and selling high. That's retail. Cheers Trevor Jones |
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EXT writes:
Also the CO2 gas supply for drinks should not be industrial grade possibly with oil and other contaminants, the gas should be identified for drink dispensers and be oil free. This is a myth. "Industrial" grades are actually *cleaner* than beverage grade. Welding processes cannot tolerate contamination. CO2 tanks deliver vapor over liquid, which purifies further by distillation and purging. |
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Trevor Jones writes:
By the time the CO2 has travelled through the reg and hoses, (where the reg limits pressure to 100 psi or so) you can be pretty sure that liquid CO2 is not an issue. It will certainly spit CO2 liquid eventually if heat is not supplied to make up the heat of vaporization. Hoses would blow if the liquid got that far. Let's hope so, rather than some metal tool. Is there some other type of overpressure relief on the low side of the regulator? Because if the regulator fails open, you're gonna get 1000 psi into your hoses. |
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"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message . .. EXT writes: Also the CO2 gas supply for drinks should not be industrial grade possibly with oil and other contaminants, the gas should be identified for drink dispensers and be oil free. This is a myth. "Industrial" grades are actually *cleaner* than beverage grade. Welding processes cannot tolerate contamination. CO2 tanks deliver vapor over liquid, which purifies further by distillation and purging. I wondered if anyone was going to suggest the do it yourself route. Here is a link for just that purpose if you're a DIY type. http://www.schwedhelm.net/brew/biggasser.html And I copied and saved some comments (I think from an old thread) about installing the regulator; "For me, this was quite an educational process, I didn't understand that there was any difference between a primary and secondary regulator. I thought one was just down stream of the other. I didn't realize they were rated for different pressures. As the gas is going directly into the regulator, it must be rated high enough to handle the pressure. The typical secondary regulator is only rated for 100-250 psi max. CO2 tanks put out 800+psi. The damned thing could have blown on me. The next thing is right-hand or left-hand threads. Virtually all paintball equipment is right-hand thread. It looks as though primary regulators are mixed between RH and LH. So, you want a regulator rated for well in excess of 800 psi (the one mentioned above is rated for 3,000 psi) and that has right-handed threads. The only thing this one seems to be missing is a check valve, which are easily accessible and installed. Beer here, Mike. After looking around on their site some more, in the replacement gauge http://www.beveragefactory.com/draft...lacement.shtml it has a RH high pressure gauge listed for Norgren and Chudnow brands (the one I ordered was a Norgren) and LH for Micromatic, TapRite, NADS, and Cornelius brands. I saw that part of the site, and I almost ordered the same regulator, but if you could confirm that the part where the HP nipple, which goes to the CO2 tank, is indeed right-handed, when you receive the regulator, then I would appreciate it. Well, I got it today and the threads are indeed right handed. I had no problem removing the tank connector and installing the paintball tank setup. http://www.schwedhelm.net/brew/biggasser.html Now I just need to get the tank filled to try it. Also there was a thread about the regulator a while back. The regulator I used was the economy regulator for $20 at: http://www.beveragefactory.com/draft...tors/co2.shtml Good luck Mark R |
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"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message . .. Lowes now sells a portable CO2 regulator for paintball tanks: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...735-J-6901-100 For $90 (plus a paintball tank you have to supply?) you get regulated CO2 on a 10-foot hose with quick-connect fitting. Meant for running air tools from your belt, but looks like it would work fine for beverage applications. Seems to include the tank. How many CF does it store? How much does a refill cost? Those are both kinda important. |
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