Hey guys,

Usually we hear "Ive added some kind of flooring now my flange is too low,
what can I do?". I've got the opposite question now...go figure, tis the way
my projects seem to go!

Gutting a bath, 1st floor. The original floor was 4 layers. Got the joists,
on top of that 3/4x8 planking, on top of that I had 3/4 ply, on top of that
I had 1/4 luan, then tile on top of that.

Ripping out everything down to the 3/4x8 planks. Plan on toping that with
3/4 ply, then 1/4" underlayment, then vinyl. This is going to put the flange
about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than the
base which sits on the floor.

Ideas, thoughts?
Thanks,
-Brian

"Brian V" wrote in message
. ..

This is going to put the flange
about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than
the
base which sits on the floor.


First thing I would do is look at the bottom of your toilet. Usually the
flange will fit completely within the base, and the outflow will sit inside
the flange so I don't see a problem.

Try setting the toilet base over the flange and if it sits flush to your
floor with out rocking you are good to go. All I see is that you might have
to trim a little more than usual off the threaded part of the tee bolts so
you can get the nut covers on but that is not really a problem.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

Roger Shoaf wrote:
"Brian V" wrote in message
. ..

This is going to put the flange

about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than

the

base which sits on the floor.



First thing I would do is look at the bottom of your toilet. Usually the
flange will fit completely within the base, and the outflow will sit inside
the flange so I don't see a problem.

Try setting the toilet base over the flange and if it sits flush to your
floor with out rocking you are good to go. All I see is that you might have
to trim a little more than usual off the threaded part of the tee bolts so
you can get the nut covers on but that is not really a problem.


I agree with Roger on this. Do not disturb the cast iron work.

You really should have at least 3/8" or so of clearance from the
top of the flange to the bottom of the bowl. That's the space the
wax will be squished into. If it's too thin, there is a much greater
chance that the seal won't last. You might also consider one of the
"rubber" seals available now instead of wax.

Jim

On Mar 24, 6:27 am, Speedy Jim wrote:
Roger Shoaf wrote:
"Brian V" wrote in message
...

This is going to put the flange

about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than

the

base which sits on the floor.

First thing I would do is look at the bottom of your toilet. Usually the
flange will fit completely within the base, and the outflow will sit inside
the flange so I don't see a problem.

Try setting the toilet base over the flange and if it sits flush to your
floor with out rocking you are good to go. All I see is that you might have
to trim a little more than usual off the threaded part of the tee bolts so
you can get the nut covers on but that is not really a problem.

I agree with Roger on this. Do not disturb the cast iron work.

You really should have at least 3/8" or so of clearance from the
top of the flange to the bottom of the bowl. That's the space the
wax will be squished into. If it's too thin, there is a much greater
chance that the seal won't last. You might also consider one of the
"rubber" seals available now instead of wax.

Jim- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If the 'wax clearance' is limited, go to a Fernco Waxless Seal.
Actually, after replacing a toilet last summer using one, I will never
again use a wax seal.

Harry K

"Brian V" wrote in message
. ..
Hey guys,

Usually we hear "Ive added some kind of flooring now my flange is too low,
what can I do?". I've got the opposite question now...go figure, tis the
way my projects seem to go!

Gutting a bath, 1st floor. The original floor was 4 layers. Got the
joists, on top of that 3/4x8 planking, on top of that I had 3/4 ply, on
top of that I had 1/4 luan, then tile on top of that.

Ripping out everything down to the 3/4x8 planks. Plan on toping that with
3/4 ply, then 1/4" underlayment, then vinyl. This is going to put the
flange about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than
the base which sits on the floor.

Ideas, thoughts?
Thanks,
-Brian


Most importantly, Thank you all for your responses thus far.

Just finished stripping everything down to the 3/4x8's, no glue, came up
very nicely! There was actually 5 layers, layer of fairly thick lineleum I
didn't see initially. Measureing from the 3/4x8's to the bottom of the
flange I have 1 1/2" exactly. 3/4 subfloor (23/32") plus 1/4 underlayment
leave a huge gap, I'm thinking too big, not sure tho, would leave just over
1/2" the flange would be above the flooring. What do you all think about
putting a layer of 3/8's in there? Would bring it to 1/4 flange above floor,
I'm OK with that...the just the over 1/2" not to keen on, but then again, I
just don't know.

Thanks all!
-Brian

"Brian V" wrote in message
. ..
Hey guys,

Usually we hear "Ive added some kind of flooring now my flange is too low,
what can I do?". I've got the opposite question now...go figure, tis the
way my projects seem to go!

Gutting a bath, 1st floor. The original floor was 4 layers. Got the
joists, on top of that 3/4x8 planking, on top of that I had 3/4 ply, on
top of that I had 1/4 luan, then tile on top of that.

Ripping out everything down to the 3/4x8 planks. Plan on toping that with
3/4 ply, then 1/4" underlayment, then vinyl. This is going to put the
flange about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than
the base which sits on the floor.

Ideas, thoughts?
Thanks,
-Brian


1/8 to 1/4 that sounds perfect to me. or you could go with a 3/8"
undelayment ( witch is better) then add about 1/8 for you vinly now you got
that pesky 1/4 made up. but what do I know I'm just a plumber.

"Sacramento Dave" wrote in message
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"Brian V" wrote in message
. ..
Hey guys,

Usually we hear "Ive added some kind of flooring now my flange is too
low, what can I do?". I've got the opposite question now...go figure, tis
the way my projects seem to go!

Gutting a bath, 1st floor. The original floor was 4 layers. Got the
joists, on top of that 3/4x8 planking, on top of that I had 3/4 ply, on
top of that I had 1/4 luan, then tile on top of that.

Ripping out everything down to the 3/4x8 planks. Plan on toping that with
3/4 ply, then 1/4" underlayment, then vinyl. This is going to put the
flange about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than
the base which sits on the floor.

Ideas, thoughts?
Thanks,
-Brian


1/8 to 1/4 that sounds perfect to me. or you could go with a 3/8"
undelayment ( witch is better) then add about 1/8 for you vinly now you
got that pesky 1/4 made up. but what do I know I'm just a plumber.




LOL, me neither! I should raise it up a couple more inches and make it a
real throne! G

Measuring from the 3/4x8's to the bottom of the flange I have
1 1/2" exactly. 3/4 subfloor (23/32") plus 1/4 underlayment
leave a huge gap

I don't know if you mentioned the type of flooring you were going to put
down?

If you're doing tile, put down the 3/4 subfloor, then 1/2" backerboard (I
like Hardibacker), then the tile. That should work out quite close to the
1-1/2" total thickness (depending on the tile thickness, of course).

If you're doing vinyl, just lay a second layer of 3/4" plywood (or 1/2" ply
and 1/4" underlayment).

Anthony

"Brian V" wrote in message
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"Sacramento Dave" wrote in message
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"Brian V" wrote in message
. ..
Hey guys,

Usually we hear "Ive added some kind of flooring now my flange is too
low, what can I do?". I've got the opposite question now...go figure,
tis the way my projects seem to go!

Gutting a bath, 1st floor. The original floor was 4 layers. Got the
joists, on top of that 3/4x8 planking, on top of that I had 3/4 ply, on
top of that I had 1/4 luan, then tile on top of that.

Ripping out everything down to the 3/4x8 planks. Plan on toping that
with 3/4 ply, then 1/4" underlayment, then vinyl. This is going to put
the flange about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm
particularly fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks
clean as heck, very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than
the base which sits on the floor.

Ideas, thoughts?
Thanks,
-Brian


1/8 to 1/4 that sounds perfect to me. or you could go with a 3/8"
undelayment ( witch is better) then add about 1/8 for you vinly now you
got that pesky 1/4 made up. but what do I know I'm just a plumber.




LOL, me neither! I should raise it up a couple more inches and make it a
real throne! G
I wouldn't even worry about a 1/4", But I would use 3/8" underlayment
partial board. I would also leave a small gap( 1") in the dap ( caulking) at
the back of the toilet so is you do ever have a problem even after a while
the water will have an escape and you will see it running out, might save
you a future floor repair.