Yet another toilet flange question
 

Hey guys,

Usually we hear "Ive added some kind of flooring now my flange is too low,
what can I do?". I've got the opposite question now...go figure, tis the way
my projects seem to go!

Gutting a bath, 1st floor. The original floor was 4 layers. Got the joists,
on top of that 3/4x8 planking, on top of that I had 3/4 ply, on top of that
I had 1/4 luan, then tile on top of that.

Ripping out everything down to the 3/4x8 planks. Plan on toping that with
3/4 ply, then 1/4" underlayment, then vinyl. This is going to put the flange
about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than the
base which sits on the floor.

Ideas, thoughts?
Thanks,
-Brian

Yet another toilet flange question
 

"Brian V" wrote in message
. ..

This is going to put the flange
about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than
the
base which sits on the floor.


First thing I would do is look at the bottom of your toilet. Usually the
flange will fit completely within the base, and the outflow will sit inside
the flange so I don't see a problem.

Try setting the toilet base over the flange and if it sits flush to your
floor with out rocking you are good to go. All I see is that you might have
to trim a little more than usual off the threaded part of the tee bolts so
you can get the nut covers on but that is not really a problem.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

Yet another toilet flange question
 

Roger Shoaf wrote:
"Brian V" wrote in message
. ..

This is going to put the flange

about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than

the

base which sits on the floor.



First thing I would do is look at the bottom of your toilet. Usually the
flange will fit completely within the base, and the outflow will sit inside
the flange so I don't see a problem.

Try setting the toilet base over the flange and if it sits flush to your
floor with out rocking you are good to go. All I see is that you might have
to trim a little more than usual off the threaded part of the tee bolts so
you can get the nut covers on but that is not really a problem.


I agree with Roger on this. Do not disturb the cast iron work.

You really should have at least 3/8" or so of clearance from the
top of the flange to the bottom of the bowl. That's the space the
wax will be squished into. If it's too thin, there is a much greater
chance that the seal won't last. You might also consider one of the
"rubber" seals available now instead of wax.

Jim

Yet another toilet flange question
 

On Mar 24, 6:27 am, Speedy Jim wrote:
Roger Shoaf wrote:
"Brian V" wrote in message
...

This is going to put the flange

about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than

the

base which sits on the floor.

First thing I would do is look at the bottom of your toilet. Usually the
flange will fit completely within the base, and the outflow will sit inside
the flange so I don't see a problem.

Try setting the toilet base over the flange and if it sits flush to your
floor with out rocking you are good to go. All I see is that you might have
to trim a little more than usual off the threaded part of the tee bolts so
you can get the nut covers on but that is not really a problem.

I agree with Roger on this. Do not disturb the cast iron work.

You really should have at least 3/8" or so of clearance from the
top of the flange to the bottom of the bowl. That's the space the
wax will be squished into. If it's too thin, there is a much greater
chance that the seal won't last. You might also consider one of the
"rubber" seals available now instead of wax.

Jim- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If the 'wax clearance' is limited, go to a Fernco Waxless Seal.
Actually, after replacing a toilet last summer using one, I will never
again use a wax seal.

Harry K

Update: Yet another toilet flange question
 

"Brian V" wrote in message
. ..
Hey guys,

Usually we hear "Ive added some kind of flooring now my flange is too low,
what can I do?". I've got the opposite question now...go figure, tis the
way my projects seem to go!

Gutting a bath, 1st floor. The original floor was 4 layers. Got the
joists, on top of that 3/4x8 planking, on top of that I had 3/4 ply, on
top of that I had 1/4 luan, then tile on top of that.

Ripping out everything down to the 3/4x8 planks. Plan on toping that with
3/4 ply, then 1/4" underlayment, then vinyl. This is going to put the
flange about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than
the base which sits on the floor.

Ideas, thoughts?
Thanks,
-Brian


Most importantly, Thank you all for your responses thus far.

Just finished stripping everything down to the 3/4x8's, no glue, came up
very nicely! There was actually 5 layers, layer of fairly thick lineleum I
didn't see initially. Measureing from the 3/4x8's to the bottom of the
flange I have 1 1/2" exactly. 3/4 subfloor (23/32") plus 1/4 underlayment
leave a huge gap, I'm thinking too big, not sure tho, would leave just over
1/2" the flange would be above the flooring. What do you all think about
putting a layer of 3/8's in there? Would bring it to 1/4 flange above floor,
I'm OK with that...the just the over 1/2" not to keen on, but then again, I
just don't know.

Thanks all!
-Brian

Yet another toilet flange question
 

"Brian V" wrote in message
. ..
Hey guys,

Usually we hear "Ive added some kind of flooring now my flange is too low,
what can I do?". I've got the opposite question now...go figure, tis the
way my projects seem to go!

Gutting a bath, 1st floor. The original floor was 4 layers. Got the
joists, on top of that 3/4x8 planking, on top of that I had 3/4 ply, on
top of that I had 1/4 luan, then tile on top of that.

Ripping out everything down to the 3/4x8 planks. Plan on toping that with
3/4 ply, then 1/4" underlayment, then vinyl. This is going to put the
flange about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than
the base which sits on the floor.

Ideas, thoughts?
Thanks,
-Brian


1/8 to 1/4 that sounds perfect to me. or you could go with a 3/8"
undelayment ( witch is better) then add about 1/8 for you vinly now you got
that pesky 1/4 made up. but what do I know I'm just a plumber.

Yet another toilet flange question
 

"Sacramento Dave" wrote in message
...

"Brian V" wrote in message
. ..
Hey guys,

Usually we hear "Ive added some kind of flooring now my flange is too
low, what can I do?". I've got the opposite question now...go figure, tis
the way my projects seem to go!

Gutting a bath, 1st floor. The original floor was 4 layers. Got the
joists, on top of that 3/4x8 planking, on top of that I had 3/4 ply, on
top of that I had 1/4 luan, then tile on top of that.

Ripping out everything down to the 3/4x8 planks. Plan on toping that with
3/4 ply, then 1/4" underlayment, then vinyl. This is going to put the
flange about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than
the base which sits on the floor.

Ideas, thoughts?
Thanks,
-Brian


1/8 to 1/4 that sounds perfect to me. or you could go with a 3/8"
undelayment ( witch is better) then add about 1/8 for you vinly now you
got that pesky 1/4 made up. but what do I know I'm just a plumber.




LOL, me neither! I should raise it up a couple more inches and make it a
real throne! G

Update: Yet another toilet flange question
 

Measuring from the 3/4x8's to the bottom of the flange I have
1 1/2" exactly. 3/4 subfloor (23/32") plus 1/4 underlayment
leave a huge gap

I don't know if you mentioned the type of flooring you were going to put
down?

If you're doing tile, put down the 3/4 subfloor, then 1/2" backerboard (I
like Hardibacker), then the tile. That should work out quite close to the
1-1/2" total thickness (depending on the tile thickness, of course).

If you're doing vinyl, just lay a second layer of 3/4" plywood (or 1/2" ply
and 1/4" underlayment).

Anthony

Yet another toilet flange question
 

"Brian V" wrote in message
. ..

"Sacramento Dave" wrote in message
...

"Brian V" wrote in message
. ..
Hey guys,

Usually we hear "Ive added some kind of flooring now my flange is too
low, what can I do?". I've got the opposite question now...go figure,
tis the way my projects seem to go!

Gutting a bath, 1st floor. The original floor was 4 layers. Got the
joists, on top of that 3/4x8 planking, on top of that I had 3/4 ply, on
top of that I had 1/4 luan, then tile on top of that.

Ripping out everything down to the 3/4x8 planks. Plan on toping that
with 3/4 ply, then 1/4" underlayment, then vinyl. This is going to put
the flange about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.

Seems like I got a couple of options.

1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm
particularly fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks
clean as heck, very surprised at how good it looks.

I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than
the base which sits on the floor.

Ideas, thoughts?
Thanks,
-Brian


1/8 to 1/4 that sounds perfect to me. or you could go with a 3/8"
undelayment ( witch is better) then add about 1/8 for you vinly now you
got that pesky 1/4 made up. but what do I know I'm just a plumber.




LOL, me neither! I should raise it up a couple more inches and make it a
real throne! G
I wouldn't even worry about a 1/4", But I would use 3/8" underlayment
partial board. I would also leave a small gap( 1") in the dap ( caulking) at
the back of the toilet so is you do ever have a problem even after a while
the water will have an escape and you will see it running out, might save
you a future floor repair.