Doing the wrong thing was bad enough. Proudly writing about it on the
internet is a whole 'nuther level.

I'd like to suggest a book: Back to Virtue by Peter Kreeft

http://tinyurl.com/e94xk

wrote in message
oups.com...
Doing the wrong thing was bad enough. Proudly writing about it on the
internet is a whole 'nuther level.

I'd like to suggest a book: Back to Virtue by Peter Kreeft

http://tinyurl.com/e94xk


I'd like to suggest a location for your book ................

"Steve B" wrote in message
news:F0jSg.443$BC6.264@fed1read01...
$320 worth of doors for $78 plus tax.
Your honesty was tested. And you flunked.
lee

snip

As to your sermon on honesty:

paraphrasing ...........
watch out for a man who says he's honest. he'll probably lie about other
things as well.

Steve, two short sentences is hardly a 'sermon'.
What rather surprized me is that you seem to be
downright proud that you ripped off a store for
around $250! Your questioning of other's honesty
is simply a red herring. A distraction, not a
justification.

I do hope that you are young and will develop
a better conscience through the years.

Lee

"lee houston" wrote in message
m...

"Steve B" wrote in message
news:F0jSg.443$BC6.264@fed1read01...
$320 worth of doors for $78 plus tax.
Your honesty was tested. And you flunked.
lee

snip

As to your sermon on honesty:

paraphrasing ...........
watch out for a man who says he's honest. he'll probably lie about other
things as well.

Steve, two short sentences is hardly a 'sermon'.
What rather surprized me is that you seem to be
downright proud that you ripped off a store for
around $250! Your questioning of other's honesty
is simply a red herring. A distraction, not a
justification.

I do hope that you are young and will develop
a better conscience through the years.

Lee


I went through three employees. They stated the price and I paid it. My
conscience is clear.

Steve

"Steve B" wrote
**** you asshole.

I didn't go in there to steal anything.

We didn't cheat anyone.

We did what the people said to do.

We let them do their own math.

We paid what they asked.

And the rest of you sanctimonious pious assholes that act like you're
honest and haven't done anything shady in your lives and still
pontificate on the actions of others can kiss my sorry dishonest ass,
too. Too bad you don't have the honesty to share your stories. Like you
wouldn't or haven't done the same thing. Yeah, right.

Great defense Steve, you can try to justify your dishonesty as much as you
care to do.

BTW, I constantly have cashiers trying to give me back more than they
should. If this was going to make me or break me, it may cross my mind to
be dishonest like you. Then again, better judgement would tell me, not in
this life-time.

LOL, I'll bet your "friends" hide all their valuables when you and your
wife drop by.

Thanks for sharing your true colors, I have to admit, you were honest about
being a thief.

In article sgCSg.518$BC6.221@fed1read01, "Steve B" wrote:

I went through three employees. They stated the price and I paid it.

That's not the same story you told the first time.

My conscience is clear.

That's the *really* sad part of the whole episode.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:19:36 -0400, "Johnny V."
wrote Re I love the way Home Depot sucks!:

LOL, I'll bet your "friends" hide all their valuables when you and your
wife drop by.

They would have to be even dumber than him to even let them into their
house.

This is more a question of: are you a moral absolutist or a moral
relativist? A moral absolutist would be against not pointing out to the
clerk that she was undercharging for the doors. A moral relativist might
say: well, HD has made lots of profit off of me over the years (before
Lowe's started springing up), and they provide crappy customer service, so
it is not immoral for me to get these doors for this price.

I am in the moral relativism camp, myself -- seems more fair. I hate
absolutes.

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That cashier probably lost her job. What do you suppose the effects
of that were? Maybe nothing. Maybe it cost her her apartment, her
sobriety her marriage.


Chances are, her mistake wouldn't even be caught by the bumbling HD
management. The paperwork would simply appear to them that 2 damaged doors
were sold to one person, unless they have some basic accounting procedures
in place like keeping track of the tickets (signed by a manager) that
indicate the defective item(s). In which case, they'd show 2 doors sold as
defective but only ONE ticket indicating a defect. Chances are, it'll fall
through the cracks.


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grappletech wrote:
This is more a question of: are you a moral absolutist or a moral
relativist? A moral absolutist would be against not pointing out to the
clerk that she was undercharging for the doors. A moral relativist might
say: well, HD has made lots of profit off of me over the years (before
Lowe's started springing up), and they provide crappy customer service, so
it is not immoral for me to get these doors for this price.

I am in the moral relativism camp, myself -- seems more fair. I hate
absolutes.

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Moral relativism, and relativism in general is easy to refute. You
cannot assert it as true without setting up an absolute and thereby
defeating your postion.

Okay, here's my story... I once waited in a long line at the bank
drivethrough to cash my paycheck on my lunch hour. After about 45
minutes, I made it to the window and cashed my check.


You'd actually wait 45 minutes in the bank drive through? You're patient.
My blood pressure would be through the roof. Sitting there for almost an
hour, idling the car (which is hard on an engine). A lot of options exist,
besides spending 45 minutes in a line -- dropping it in the secure deposit
vault out front (tellers will post it later that day or the next), signing
up for Direct Deposit of your co. offers it, going to the bank Saturday
morning on your day off, depositing it in the ATM machine and taking out
cash if you need it, or walking into the bank.

Only reason why a person would need to wait in line for 45 minutes to cash
a paycheck is if they need money right away, and their bank won't allow a
simultaneous paycheck ATM deposit and ATM cash withdrawal due to not having
any existing funds in the account.

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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:49:31 -0500, grappletech
wrote:

That cashier probably lost her job. What do you suppose the effects
of that were? Maybe nothing. Maybe it cost her her apartment, her
sobriety her marriage.


Chances are, her mistake wouldn't even be caught by the bumbling HD
management. The paperwork would simply appear to them that 2 damaged doors
were sold to one person, unless they have some basic accounting procedures
in place like keeping track of the tickets (signed by a manager) that
indicate the defective item(s). In which case, they'd show 2 doors sold as
defective but only ONE ticket indicating a defect. Chances are, it'll fall
through the cracks.


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Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

On 27 Sep 2006 03:12:46 -0700, wrote:

as often as people get screwwed over by companies like this, a little
pay back isn't such a bad thing.

I wonder how often that is that people get screwed over.

For me, it's not really possible. I see what they have and how much
they want for it and if it's worth it, I buy it. If it doesn't work,
I"m sure they would take it back, but that's never happened. I return
lots of things because I decide I don't want them, and they've always
given me my money or a credit, which at hardware stores I have no
trouble using.

I suppose on special orders, if you say correctly what you want and
they mess it up, and won't believe you said something different, they
could take your money in advance for something you don't want. But
how often does that happen? Most of the time they get the order
right, and most of the time they don't, they'll redo it.



The only place that owes me payback is the furnace repair company that
replaced my fan motor and left it making the same noise, while saying
it was quieter. I didn't pay them and I expected to win when they
sued me (actually I was supposed to complain long before that and get
it resolved without court, but being depressed made that not happen
too), but I was busy or depressed and didn't show up, and they won.
And I paid. The collection department never even knew of the reason I
didn't pay. Years later the president said I should have complained
to him. Maybe that would have worked.

But taking advantage of a company is not justified because an
incompetent repairman at another company cost me money. To think
otherwise would be like saying if a mugger stole from me or beat me
up, I could pick someone else and steal from him or beat him up.




Empressess #124457

"Steve B" wrote:


"mm" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:58:26 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

As for all the bleeding heart liberal hypocrites, preach to someone who
might either buy what they're selling, or at least be interested. I'm not.

Yo, let's leave the liberals out of this. Most hypocrites are
right-wing conservatives.

Well, we leave in the morning for Utah. I'm going to take my receipt back
to the manager and see what he says happened and offer to make it right.

I will advise in about two weeks when I return.

In my absence, try to get along without me and don't fight.

Steve ;-)

In article fyISg.558$BC6.17@fed1read01, "Steve B" wrote:
Well, we leave in the morning for Utah. I'm going to take my receipt back
to the manager and see what he says happened and offer to make it right.

I wish I could believe that.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

For what it's worth, HD has just changed their "Returns" policy. They used
to accept virtually anything without question. Now, the "...reserve the
right to deny returned items".

Also, for what it's worth, me and all my friends stick it to the "Holy H"
every chance we get since Bob Nardelli took over.

"Caesar Romano" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:31:54 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote Re I love the way Home Depot
sucks!:

Her sobriety?

What the hell does that mean?

It means you are a scum bag who is too stupid to see what an ass you
are making of yourself. OTOH, it is entertaining to watch you try to
back-track.

In article ,
says...
"Steve B" wrote:


"mm" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:58:26 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

As for all the bleeding heart liberal hypocrites, preach to someone who
might either buy what they're selling, or at least be interested. I'm not.

Yo, let's leave the liberals out of this. Most hypocrites are
right-wing conservatives.

Perhaps. You have to believe in something to be a hypocrite.

--
Keith

Steve B wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:21:02 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


"Johnny V." wrote in message
.. .

"Steve B" wrote

We do so. She rings up two doors at $39 each. My wife and I make eye
contact, but don't say a word. We pay the girl, and then run like
hell.

Gosh Steve, I'll bet you and your wife are real proud.

Running out of a box store after knowingly cheating them. Can you trust
each other, or are you constantly on your toes wondering if the other
one
is cheating?

You two deserve each other.

**** you asshole.

I didn't go in there to steal anything.

We didn't cheat anyone.

We did what the people said to do.

We let them do their own math.

We paid what they asked.

And the rest of you sanctimonious pious assholes that act like you're
honest
and haven't done anything shady in your lives and still pontificate on the
actions of others can kiss my sorry dishonest ass, too. Too bad you don't
have the honesty to share your stories. Like you wouldn't or haven't done
the same thing. Yeah, right.

Steve


Okay, here's my story... I once waited in a long line at the bank
drivethrough
to cash my paycheck on my lunch hour. After about 45 minutes, I made it to
the
window and cashed my check. As I pulled away, I counted the money and
realized I
had been given an extra $10. Well, I only had about 15 minutes before I
was due
back at work, and it didn't look like I was gonna be eating lunch. I
circled
around the building and got back at the end of that line. When I got to
the
window, the clerk tried to refuse the $10. She said she gave me the
correct
amount. I insisted on talking to her supervisor. I told the supervisor
that I
had been given $10 too much and at first she didn't want to take it
either. I
finally said, "Look, take the money, and when you close out the register,
if you
come out $10 ahead, here's my name and address. I ended up not only
missing
lunch, but lost a half hours pay by getting back to work late.

Now... Tell us your story again.

CWM

I did the same thing one time at a bank, but it was for $100. I knew the
teller would have to pay the shortage, and I didn't take the money. I've
done it many other times when cashiers have given me too much change. It
seems that no one can make or count change today. They just hand it back to
you in a wad.

In this case, the cashier's till was right at the end of the day.

Steve

I had a medium length discussion with a "service associate" at dunkin
donuts the other day because she undercharged me, but I couldn't
convince her so I gave up. My guilt was ameliorated by the fact that
the same kid has overcharged me a couple of times, which I did not
discover until later when dumping my change out, which is why I was
doing the math in my head to check her cash register skill in the first
place.

wrote:

Yo, let's leave the liberals out of this. Most hypocrites are
right-wing conservatives.

What's wrong with hypocrisy? The sign that says: "This way to Chicago"
doesn't actually GO to Chicago itself.

No, those who accuse others of hypocrisy are simply trying to change the
subject.

Steve B wrote:


I hear people **** and moan all day every day here about Home Depot, Lowe's,
and the other borgs. The reaction I got was not what I expected.

I guess people who have gotten things by mistake just haven't weighed in
yet, or cared to take the time to write about their own experience.

All I've heard from are the hypocrites.

I got something at a break from a company that would have and has taken
advantage of me on many previous occasions. I do not feel guilty. They
****ed up big time on two sets of double doors once. As I see it, they
still owe me money.

Ah yes, I see that Steve believes that two wrongs CAN make a right.


As for all the bleeding heart liberal hypocrites, preach to someone who
might either buy what they're selling, or at least be interested. I'm not.

Then I wonder why he's continuing to reply to posts on this thread?

I can live with what happened. I'm an adult. I'll cope.

Steve



What amazes me about Steve, is that he's got no shame about admitting
that both he AND his wife conspired to pay less than they'd already
mentally commited to paying. Those two must truly be made for each other.

I suppose in a weird way that makes Steve honest, at least about
confessing how they both took advantage of a Home Depot employee's
mistake. And, bragged about it right here on usenet where G-d knows who
will be able to read about their "good fortune" for a loooooong time.

I express the same amazement over people who brag to me about how
they're scamming the tax man whenever they can, and go into great detail
to prove to me just how "clever" they are. I sure wish they'd keep it to
themselves, and if they start barfing off about it, even if it's in
front of a bunch of other people, I point out that a portion of what
they gain by cheating on their taxes is coming out my pocket, and the
pockets of everyone else who pays taxes.

I have a framed sign on my office wall reading:

There is no right way to do the wrong thing.
(Thomas Huxley 1825-1895)

It states exactly how we strive to treat our clients, and woe be it to
any employee of mine who doesn't adhere to that principle.

Lecture over,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength."

Charlie Morgan wrote:





Okay, here's my story... I once waited in a long line at the bank drivethrough
to cash my paycheck on my lunch hour. After about 45 minutes, I made it to the
window and cashed my check. As I pulled away, I counted the money and realized I
had been given an extra $10. Well, I only had about 15 minutes before I was due
back at work, and it didn't look like I was gonna be eating lunch. I circled
around the building and got back at the end of that line. When I got to the
window, the clerk tried to refuse the $10. She said she gave me the correct
amount. I insisted on talking to her supervisor. I told the supervisor that I
had been given $10 too much and at first she didn't want to take it either. I
finally said, "Look, take the money, and when you close out the register, if you
come out $10 ahead, here's my name and address. I ended up not only missing
lunch, but lost a half hours pay by getting back to work late.

Now... Tell us your story again.

CWM

That reminds me of an episode of the TV series "Frasier" when Frasier's
dad, Martin Crane, gets $40 too much squirted out to him from a bank's
ATM and has one hell of a time trying to give it back to the bank. He
gets so frustrated at "the strong smell of stupid" surrounding the bank
personel that he loses his cool and ends up with a guard pointing a
pistol at him. The happy ending was the bank President voluntarily
handing him a check for $10,000 in return for his agreeing not to sue
them over what happened.

Jeff (Who for the first time, DIDN'T say "ATM machine".)

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength."

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:23:22 -0400, Jeff Wisnia
wrote:

Charlie Morgan wrote:





Okay, here's my story... I once waited in a long line at the bank drivethrough
to cash my paycheck on my lunch hour. After about 45 minutes, I made it to the
window and cashed my check. As I pulled away, I counted the money and realized I
had been given an extra $10. Well, I only had about 15 minutes before I was due
back at work, and it didn't look like I was gonna be eating lunch. I circled
around the building and got back at the end of that line. When I got to the
window, the clerk tried to refuse the $10. She said she gave me the correct
amount. I insisted on talking to her supervisor. I told the supervisor that I
had been given $10 too much and at first she didn't want to take it either. I
finally said, "Look, take the money, and when you close out the register, if you
come out $10 ahead, here's my name and address. I ended up not only missing
lunch, but lost a half hours pay by getting back to work late.

Now... Tell us your story again.

CWM

That reminds me of an episode of the TV series "Frasier" when Frasier's
dad, Martin Crane, gets $40 too much squirted out to him from a bank's
ATM and has one hell of a time trying to give it back to the bank. He
gets so frustrated at "the strong smell of stupid" surrounding the bank
personel that he loses his cool and ends up with a guard pointing a
pistol at him. The happy ending was the bank President voluntarily
handing him a check for $10,000 in return for his agreeing not to sue
them over what happened.

Jeff (Who for the first time, DIDN'T say "ATM machine".)

I just saw an episode of "Gomer Pyle" where he tries to return a baby
carriage, leading to the same sort of trouble.
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