Need to cut up a number of 4x4's and 4x6's. I've already cut a number of
4x4's using a 7.25 inch circular saw. Found it too difficult to get a
straight cut even using blocks and penciling all the edges. Being
dis-mechanically inclined doesn't help.

Went to HD to check out what they had for 12" Mitre saws. Based on my needs
the salesman recommended either a Rigid or a Ryobi. The Rigid came with a
stand and sold for $279. The Ryobi sold for around $230. The Ryobi seemed
to have a better clamping mechanism and had a basic, clearly marked ruler at
the surface. The Rigid didn't seem to be clearly marked for measurement.
The salesman told me the Rigid was a better seller. Probably because it
come with a stand. From outward appearances the Ryobi seemed like the
better unit. Then again, for $50 a stand comes with the Rigid.

I realize from reading previous posts that Ryobi generally stands for poor
quality and some of you wouldn't buy Ryobi product under any circumstance.
However, I don't plan to use this every day. For now I just need to cut a
few 4x4's or 4x6's. Most of the cuts will be straight across a few will be
at an angle. Eventually, I am sure they'll be more projects that will
require some cutting.

After Google searching I came up with a sight reviewing sliding Mitre saws.
They appear to be better. I presume they are different from the regular
Mitre saws and more expensive. I wasn't quite certain on the concept. This
may be beyond my needs.

I'm torn between getting either a Rigid or Ryobi or checking out the 'Want
Ads' for a used Mitre saw. If I were going to do all my cutting in one day,
I would probably rent a unit. However, I need it for a longer time frame.
Any suggestions?

Also, I am not all that familiar with cutting. But, from little I've done,
it seems the utility of the table or stand is almost as important as the
saw. I used an old kitchen table to cut my other boards. It wasn't the
easiest thing to work with. Lucky, I had someone to hold the boards for me.
The salesman recommended rigging up something on my own using plywood and
2x4's. Again, suggestions are welcome.

"Charlie S." wrote in message
news:AdaQe.1164$wE1.598@trndny01...
Need to cut up a number of 4x4's and 4x6's. I've already cut a number of
4x4's using a 7.25 inch circular saw. Found it too difficult to get a
straight cut even using blocks and penciling all the edges. Being
dis-mechanically inclined doesn't help.

Went to HD to check out what they had for 12" Mitre saws. Based on my
needs the salesman recommended either a Rigid or a Ryobi. The Rigid came
with a stand and sold for $279. The Ryobi sold for around $230. The
Ryobi seemed to have a better clamping mechanism and had a basic, clearly
marked ruler at the surface. The Rigid didn't seem to be clearly marked
for measurement. The salesman told me the Rigid was a better seller.
Probably because it come with a stand. From outward appearances the Ryobi
seemed like the better unit. Then again, for $50 a stand comes with the
Rigid.

If you are doing one or two projects, either will be just fine. If you are
looking for long term use for years to come, neither is as good as a DeWalt,
Bosch, Hitachi and a few others.

I'd go for the Ridgid in this case, but be sure the handle feels comfortable
for you. I like a horizontal handle myself. Get a good blade, appropriate
for your use. I'd rather have a lower priced saw with a very good blade
than the best saw with a cheapo blade.

Yes if you're going to buy one buy the Ridgid.
But more importantly at HomeDepot Rental centers you can rent the
Ridgid and make sure you like it.

Never ever ever buy Roybi. Hell I'll make up the difference in price
just to make sure you buy the Ridgid


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Charlie S. wrote:
Need to cut up a number of 4x4's and 4x6's. I've already cut a number of
4x4's using a 7.25 inch circular saw. Found it too difficult to get a
straight cut even using blocks and penciling all the edges. Being
dis-mechanically inclined doesn't help.

I was given an el cheapo Ryobi 10" miter saw and I haven't had a single
problem with it. I don't use it much but it cuts through 4x4 pressure
treated lumber just fine. You are right that for 4x6s you'd probably
need a 12" though. If I were to buy a miter saw though I would go with
a combination unit, and possibly a sliding one. They pretty much remove
the need for a radial arm saw these days.

"Charlie S." wrote in message
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Need to cut up a number of 4x4's and 4x6's. I've already cut a number of
4x4's using a 7.25 inch circular saw. Found it too difficult to get a
straight cut even using blocks and penciling all the edges. Being
dis-mechanically inclined doesn't help.

To make the straight cut you may just want the speed square. It is a
triangle piece of steel that you slap up against the line that you mark on
the wood that is the distance from the blade to the edge of the saw and run
the saw along the square.

The Ryobi tools I use daily have served me well. Make it easier on
yourself and rig some kind of support for the stock on both sides of
the saw before making many cuts.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:30:40 GMT, "Charlie S."
wrote:

Went to HD to check out what they had for 12" Mitre saws. Based on my needs
the salesman recommended either a Rigid or a Ryobi. The Rigid came with a
stand and sold for $279. The Ryobi sold for around $230. The Ryobi seemed
to have a better clamping mechanism and had a basic, clearly marked ruler at
the surface. The Rigid didn't seem to be clearly marked for measurement.
The salesman told me the Rigid was a better seller. Probably because it
come with a stand. From outward appearances the Ryobi seemed like the
better unit. Then again, for $50 a stand comes with the Rigid.

It's very hard to say what's better. You can spend over $500 for the
contractor's grade tools and still get a dud. Just remember that
Ridgid is made by the same company (Emerson) that makes the Craftsman
line for Sears and they have a very loyal following among
homeowners/occassional users like yourself. If you're willing to do
the work you might find a used machine that's actually better. Ask
local carpenters if they're upgrading and want to unload older saws.

"siralfred" wrote in message
ups.com...
Just remember that
Ridgid is made by the same company (Emerson) that makes the Craftsman
line for Sears

No longer. They split a couple of years ago.

Emerson makes stuff to their BUYERS specifications and a wide range
can result from the same plant.

On 28 Aug 2005 10:54:46 -0700, "siralfred" wrote:

It's very hard to say what's better. You can spend over $500 for the
contractor's grade tools and still get a dud. Just remember that
Ridgid is made by the same company (Emerson) that makes the Craftsman
line for Sears and they have a very loyal following among
homeowners/occassional users like yourself. If you're willing to do
the work you might find a used machine that's actually better. Ask
local carpenters if they're upgrading and want to unload older saws.

You may wanty to really consider a 10" slider. The 12" blades deflect way
too much to make an acurate cut.

Check out the Makita 1013LS http://www.epinions.com/content_13358960260

And make sure you get a good stand for what ever saw you choose.
http://www.tracrac.com/workstation/workstation.html

I think this stand may be sold at Lowes with the hitachi brand on it. I have
the older version and its great. I wouldn't own a mitre saw without one.

"Charlie S." wrote in message
news:AdaQe.1164$wE1.598@trndny01...
Need to cut up a number of 4x4's and 4x6's. I've already cut a number of
4x4's using a 7.25 inch circular saw. Found it too difficult to get a
straight cut even using blocks and penciling all the edges. Being
dis-mechanically inclined doesn't help.

Went to HD to check out what they had for 12" Mitre saws. Based on my
needs the salesman recommended either a Rigid or a Ryobi. The Rigid came
with a stand and sold for $279. The Ryobi sold for around $230. The
Ryobi seemed to have a better clamping mechanism and had a basic, clearly
marked ruler at the surface. The Rigid didn't seem to be clearly marked
for measurement. The salesman told me the Rigid was a better seller.
Probably because it come with a stand. From outward appearances the Ryobi
seemed like the better unit. Then again, for $50 a stand comes with the
Rigid.

I realize from reading previous posts that Ryobi generally stands for poor
quality and some of you wouldn't buy Ryobi product under any circumstance.
However, I don't plan to use this every day. For now I just need to cut a
few 4x4's or 4x6's. Most of the cuts will be straight across a few will
be at an angle. Eventually, I am sure they'll be more projects that will
require some cutting.

After Google searching I came up with a sight reviewing sliding Mitre
saws. They appear to be better. I presume they are different from the
regular Mitre saws and more expensive. I wasn't quite certain on the
concept. This may be beyond my needs.

I'm torn between getting either a Rigid or Ryobi or checking out the 'Want
Ads' for a used Mitre saw. If I were going to do all my cutting in one
day, I would probably rent a unit. However, I need it for a longer time
frame. Any suggestions?

Also, I am not all that familiar with cutting. But, from little I've
done, it seems the utility of the table or stand is almost as important as
the saw. I used an old kitchen table to cut my other boards. It wasn't
the easiest thing to work with. Lucky, I had someone to hold the boards
for me. The salesman recommended rigging up something on my own using
plywood and 2x4's. Again, suggestions are welcome.

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Charlie S." wrote in message
news:AdaQe.1164$wE1.598@trndny01...
Need to cut up a number of 4x4's and 4x6's. I've already cut a number of
4x4's using a 7.25 inch circular saw. Found it too difficult to get a
straight cut even using blocks and penciling all the edges. Being
dis-mechanically inclined doesn't help.

To make the straight cut you may just want the speed square. It is a
triangle piece of steel that you slap up against the line that you mark on
the wood that is the distance from the blade to the edge of the saw and
run
the saw along the square.



My framing contractor just grab a 2x4 or 2x6 and cut it in free air with a
Mag 77 circular saw. Cuts it clean as fast as I could pick the wood up.
There is no miter saw on the job site. That is some cutting skill I wish I
had.

Does this 10 inch slider prevent me from cutting certain sized wood?


"No" wrote in message
...
You may wanty to really consider a 10" slider. The 12" blades deflect way
too much to make an acurate cut.

Check out the Makita 1013LS http://www.epinions.com/content_13358960260

And make sure you get a good stand for what ever saw you choose.
http://www.tracrac.com/workstation/workstation.html

I think this stand may be sold at Lowes with the hitachi brand on it. I
have the older version and its great. I wouldn't own a mitre saw without
one.

"Charlie S." wrote in message
news:AdaQe.1164$wE1.598@trndny01...
Need to cut up a number of 4x4's and 4x6's. I've already cut a number of
4x4's using a 7.25 inch circular saw. Found it too difficult to get a
straight cut even using blocks and penciling all the edges. Being
dis-mechanically inclined doesn't help.

Went to HD to check out what they had for 12" Mitre saws. Based on my
needs the salesman recommended either a Rigid or a Ryobi. The Rigid came
with a stand and sold for $279. The Ryobi sold for around $230. The
Ryobi seemed to have a better clamping mechanism and had a basic, clearly
marked ruler at the surface. The Rigid didn't seem to be clearly marked
for measurement. The salesman told me the Rigid was a better seller.
Probably because it come with a stand. From outward appearances the
Ryobi seemed like the better unit. Then again, for $50 a stand comes
with the Rigid.

I realize from reading previous posts that Ryobi generally stands for
poor quality and some of you wouldn't buy Ryobi product under any
circumstance. However, I don't plan to use this every day. For now I
just need to cut a few 4x4's or 4x6's. Most of the cuts will be straight
across a few will be at an angle. Eventually, I am sure they'll be more
projects that will require some cutting.

After Google searching I came up with a sight reviewing sliding Mitre
saws. They appear to be better. I presume they are different from the
regular Mitre saws and more expensive. I wasn't quite certain on the
concept. This may be beyond my needs.

I'm torn between getting either a Rigid or Ryobi or checking out the
'Want Ads' for a used Mitre saw. If I were going to do all my cutting in
one day, I would probably rent a unit. However, I need it for a longer
time frame. Any suggestions?

Also, I am not all that familiar with cutting. But, from little I've
done, it seems the utility of the table or stand is almost as important
as the saw. I used an old kitchen table to cut my other boards. It
wasn't the easiest thing to work with. Lucky, I had someone to hold the
boards for me. The salesman recommended rigging up something on my own
using plywood and 2x4's. Again, suggestions are welcome.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:30:40 GMT, "Charlie S."
wrote:

Need to cut up a number of 4x4's and 4x6's. I've already cut a number of
4x4's using a 7.25 inch circular saw. Found it too difficult to get a
straight cut even using blocks and penciling all the edges. Being
dis-mechanically inclined doesn't help.

Went to HD to check out what they had for 12" Mitre saws. Based on my needs
the salesman recommended either a Rigid or a Ryobi. The Rigid came with a
stand and sold for $279. The Ryobi sold for around $230. The Ryobi seemed
to have a better clamping mechanism and had a basic, clearly marked ruler at
the surface. The Rigid didn't seem to be clearly marked for measurement.
The salesman told me the Rigid was a better seller. Probably because it
come with a stand. From outward appearances the Ryobi seemed like the
better unit. Then again, for $50 a stand comes with the Rigid.

Do you plan on making a hobby of using the saw, or is it just for a
one-off job? I do construction for a living, and make furniture as a
hobby, and I use a $99 Black and Decker chop saw with a good Freud
blade at home, and it gives me the same good results as the Dewalt and
Milwalkee saws at work. To be frank, I can't see why you'd need a
$250+ saw for a small odd job here and there. If you're set on
getting a big shiny one, I'd recommend the 12" Porter Cable compound
miter saw or the equivilent Milwalkee- they're both good tools, and
will look nice in your garage. You can buy a folding miter saw stand
from Wolfcraft for about $60 or the Porter Cable one for $219- both of
them work, but the PC is shinier. In EVERY case, it is the sawyer,
not the saw, that makes the difference in the finished product- none
of them will measure and lay out your work for you.

Or you can take a step back and decide what you really need, and if
it's more modest than professional grade, get a cheaper one with a
stand (Pro-Tech is a decent one, and very cheap) and you'll save
yourself a good hunk of cash. Use a little of that cash to get a
decent blade.

Here's a bit of a rundown on what you're looking at. A compound miter
saw head angles two ways- it miters, and it tilts. The nice thing
about this is that you can cut exterior corners for crown molding with
one cut, and you can cut angled tails on soffit pieces that are too
wide to stand up in the saw. If you're not doing at least one of
those two things, I doubt you need the blade to tilt for any other
reason. A simple miter saw only cuts miters. They're a little less
common these days, but Black and Decker has one and it works and feels
just like a Dewalt. Any of them will work, some may require adjusting
the fence. You can still cut trim and even crown molding if you spend
an hour with a coping saw and a file to learn how to install trim
correctly (IE, coping the inside corners) You can cut soffit tails
with the circular saw you mentioned, and by the time you'd ever get to
that job, you'll know how to cut them straight, or you'll have already
given up. The nice thing about the simple miter saw is that there is
one less thing to check to make sure you have accurate cuts- and they
are a lot less expensive.

Forget the slider unless you're planning to crosscut a whole lot of
12" planks and don't have a table saw. Be prepared to pay a lot more,
and/or spend a lot of time fiddling around with it if you like
accurate cuts.

I realize from reading previous posts that Ryobi generally stands for poor
quality and some of you wouldn't buy Ryobi product under any circumstance.
However, I don't plan to use this every day. For now I just need to cut a
few 4x4's or 4x6's. Most of the cuts will be straight across a few will be
at an angle. Eventually, I am sure they'll be more projects that will
require some cutting.

After Google searching I came up with a sight reviewing sliding Mitre saws.
They appear to be better. I presume they are different from the regular
Mitre saws and more expensive. I wasn't quite certain on the concept. This
may be beyond my needs.

I'm torn between getting either a Rigid or Ryobi or checking out the 'Want
Ads' for a used Mitre saw. If I were going to do all my cutting in one day,
I would probably rent a unit. However, I need it for a longer time frame.
Any suggestions?

Also, I am not all that familiar with cutting. But, from little I've done,
it seems the utility of the table or stand is almost as important as the
saw. I used an old kitchen table to cut my other boards. It wasn't the
easiest thing to work with. Lucky, I had someone to hold the boards for me.
The salesman recommended rigging up something on my own using plywood and
2x4's. Again, suggestions are welcome.

A folding miter saw stand will make your life a whole lot easier. If
you don't need one, the one I've got just happens to be exactly 3.5"
inches from the table to the bed of the saw- which means that I can
get by with a couple of 2x4s nailed together on end as a temporary
*stand* for the lumber I'm cutting.

Good luck with your project- just don't get too taken in by shiny ads!
Patience and thought will help you more than any tool you can run out
and buy.

"Charlie S." wrote in message
news:REBQe.1622$cY.235@trndny06...
Does this 10 inch slider prevent me from cutting certain sized wood?



It allows you to cut wider boards, but at a cost in accuracy.

If you are building furniture or need really critical sizes, the slider has
some built in lay that is not present in a standard saw. It is also an
extra operation to slide it out for every cut.

If you go to the DeWalt web page, they show the sizes that each saw can cut.

You bring up a lot of points that I've been mulling around in my head.
Specifically, do I really need an expensive saw for what I am doing. Not
really. I was even looking at $99 model at Sears and thinking that may do
the trick. It might have been a 10" saw. My main concern is finding a saw
that will cut/tilt along the diagonal for I need to cut up two 4x4 or 4x6's
to make a matching angle. Like this /\.

Will I make it a hobby? It's tough to say right now. Even if I did, I
wouldn't need it for any fine work, as I am not that mechanically inclined.
I do need something that will cut a 4x4 or 4x6 at an angle and mitre. I
will also need to cut some 2x10 or 2x12s', but like you said I could use my
circular saw for that. I'll look into a folding mitre saw stand. That way
it wouldn't take up too much space for storage.

Just curious, a couple people mentioned the fence in their replies to me.
You mentioned 'adjust the fence'. What is the fence?

"Prometheus" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:30:40 GMT, "Charlie S."
wrote:

Need to cut up a number of 4x4's and 4x6's. I've already cut a number of
4x4's using a 7.25 inch circular saw. Found it too difficult to get a
straight cut even using blocks and penciling all the edges. Being
dis-mechanically inclined doesn't help.

Went to HD to check out what they had for 12" Mitre saws. Based on my
needs
the salesman recommended either a Rigid or a Ryobi. The Rigid came with a
stand and sold for $279. The Ryobi sold for around $230. The Ryobi
seemed
to have a better clamping mechanism and had a basic, clearly marked ruler
at
the surface. The Rigid didn't seem to be clearly marked for measurement.
The salesman told me the Rigid was a better seller. Probably because it
come with a stand. From outward appearances the Ryobi seemed like the
better unit. Then again, for $50 a stand comes with the Rigid.

Do you plan on making a hobby of using the saw, or is it just for a
one-off job? I do construction for a living, and make furniture as a
hobby, and I use a $99 Black and Decker chop saw with a good Freud
blade at home, and it gives me the same good results as the Dewalt and
Milwalkee saws at work. To be frank, I can't see why you'd need a
$250+ saw for a small odd job here and there. If you're set on
getting a big shiny one, I'd recommend the 12" Porter Cable compound
miter saw or the equivilent Milwalkee- they're both good tools, and
will look nice in your garage. You can buy a folding miter saw stand
from Wolfcraft for about $60 or the Porter Cable one for $219- both of
them work, but the PC is shinier. In EVERY case, it is the sawyer,
not the saw, that makes the difference in the finished product- none
of them will measure and lay out your work for you.

Or you can take a step back and decide what you really need, and if
it's more modest than professional grade, get a cheaper one with a
stand (Pro-Tech is a decent one, and very cheap) and you'll save
yourself a good hunk of cash. Use a little of that cash to get a
decent blade.

Here's a bit of a rundown on what you're looking at. A compound miter
saw head angles two ways- it miters, and it tilts. The nice thing
about this is that you can cut exterior corners for crown molding with
one cut, and you can cut angled tails on soffit pieces that are too
wide to stand up in the saw. If you're not doing at least one of
those two things, I doubt you need the blade to tilt for any other
reason. A simple miter saw only cuts miters. They're a little less
common these days, but Black and Decker has one and it works and feels
just like a Dewalt. Any of them will work, some may require adjusting
the fence. You can still cut trim and even crown molding if you spend
an hour with a coping saw and a file to learn how to install trim
correctly (IE, coping the inside corners) You can cut soffit tails
with the circular saw you mentioned, and by the time you'd ever get to
that job, you'll know how to cut them straight, or you'll have already
given up. The nice thing about the simple miter saw is that there is
one less thing to check to make sure you have accurate cuts- and they
are a lot less expensive.

Forget the slider unless you're planning to crosscut a whole lot of
12" planks and don't have a table saw. Be prepared to pay a lot more,
and/or spend a lot of time fiddling around with it if you like
accurate cuts.

I realize from reading previous posts that Ryobi generally stands for poor
quality and some of you wouldn't buy Ryobi product under any circumstance.
However, I don't plan to use this every day. For now I just need to cut a
few 4x4's or 4x6's. Most of the cuts will be straight across a few will
be
at an angle. Eventually, I am sure they'll be more projects that will
require some cutting.

After Google searching I came up with a sight reviewing sliding Mitre
saws.
They appear to be better. I presume they are different from the regular
Mitre saws and more expensive. I wasn't quite certain on the concept.
This
may be beyond my needs.

I'm torn between getting either a Rigid or Ryobi or checking out the 'Want
Ads' for a used Mitre saw. If I were going to do all my cutting in one
day,
I would probably rent a unit. However, I need it for a longer time frame.
Any suggestions?

Also, I am not all that familiar with cutting. But, from little I've
done,
it seems the utility of the table or stand is almost as important as the
saw. I used an old kitchen table to cut my other boards. It wasn't the
easiest thing to work with. Lucky, I had someone to hold the boards for
me.
The salesman recommended rigging up something on my own using plywood and
2x4's. Again, suggestions are welcome.

A folding miter saw stand will make your life a whole lot easier. If
you don't need one, the one I've got just happens to be exactly 3.5"
inches from the table to the bed of the saw- which means that I can
get by with a couple of 2x4s nailed together on end as a temporary
*stand* for the lumber I'm cutting.

Good luck with your project- just don't get too taken in by shiny ads!
Patience and thought will help you more than any tool you can run out
and buy.

Ryobi or Rigid? Neither, IMO. I would recommend either Hitachi or
Milwalkee, cut your budget somewhere else to save money. Ditto on a
quality blade, go American or European on those. -Jitney

If you have the money to spare buy a good saw. If not look at Harbor
Freight.
Same saws just a few cheaper parts in them.
I buy Dewalt and Ridgid because I use them everyday.


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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:05:17 GMT, "Charlie S."
wrote:

You bring up a lot of points that I've been mulling around in my head.
Specifically, do I really need an expensive saw for what I am doing. Not
really. I was even looking at $99 model at Sears and thinking that may do
the trick. It might have been a 10" saw. My main concern is finding a saw
that will cut/tilt along the diagonal for I need to cut up two 4x4 or 4x6's
to make a matching angle. Like this /\.

Haven't tried it recently, but I'm pretty sure a 10" saw will cut a
4x6. If it doesn't cut all the way through, you *can* flip the peice,
and bring the blade down into the kerf (the area that has been sawed
out) without the blade running to re-align it, lift it while holding
the piece in place, and recut. It's an extra step, but pretty easy
once you've done it once or twice.

The other thing to consider is replacement blades. Everywhere has 10"
blades in a variety of brands and types. Most places will have one or
two 12" blades on hand, but they are a lot more expensive and your
options become very limited very quickly.

Will I make it a hobby? It's tough to say right now. Even if I did, I
wouldn't need it for any fine work, as I am not that mechanically inclined.
I do need something that will cut a 4x4 or 4x6 at an angle and mitre. I
will also need to cut some 2x10 or 2x12s', but like you said I could use my
circular saw for that. I'll look into a folding mitre saw stand. That way
it wouldn't take up too much space for storage.

Just curious, a couple people mentioned the fence in their replies to me.
You mentioned 'adjust the fence'. What is the fence?

The fence is the vertical surface that you hold the wood against when
you make the cut. To check it (once you've decided on a saw), make a
sample cut (just a little sliver off the end of some scrap works fine)
and check it with a square. If the sample piece isn't square, loosen
the bolts on the back of the fence, and give the side that needs it a
little tap, then tighten and recheck. This can get tedious, but once
it's done properly, the saw will usually stay right on unless it's
dropped or otherwise mishandled.

When you're mating two pieces as described, getting the fence aligned
properly right away will save you a lot of headaches. Be picky when
you're doing it- as an example, if you're off by 1/2 a degree when
making something like a picture frame, it may not seem like much when
you've got three peices laying on the table in front of you- 1/2 a
degree isn't much, after all. But when you place the fourth piece in
the mix, you'll find that the half degree error repeated four times
ends up being three tight joints, and one with a 2 degree gap, which
sticks out like a sore thumb, and makes it hard to clamp together
properly.