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Febreze Laundry Solution, R.I.P. ?
First off, I'd like to ask your forbearance for having crossposted this to
three groups. Mea culpa magna. I do believe that the best answer would probably benefit Febreze users on all three groups though. The situation is this: My wife and I use Febreze laundry additive on a regular basis to remove pet and other odors from laundry. Unfortunately, our local Albertson's here in Northern California seems to have stopped selling the product, and none of the other big chains in the area have it either. There are OTHER Febreze products, but not the laundry additive. My wife believes that P & G have stopped making it, and that leads us to wonder how we're going to find a substitute that works just as well as the Febreze did. She has written a letter to P & G asking why the product appears to have been cancelled, but hasn't received a response yet. So I suppose that this plaintive cry from the wilderness is to ask three questions: 1. Does any know of a substitute for Febreze Laundry additive that works just as well ? 2. If you know of a place that still sells and ships it, would you please share the phone number and/or web page ? 3. Failing the above two, does anyone have a home-grown recipe for something that would be just as effective ? I've heard of a 1/4-Downy to 3/4-Water combo, but I don't know if that's for real or not. Thanks in advance for any help you can give. Eddie |
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baking soda in the wash water?
maybe a little more detergent make sure to soak clothes that are heavily soiled... i put fabric softener in my laundry and that makes the clothes smell good "Otter" wrote in message . com... First off, I'd like to ask your forbearance for having crossposted this to three groups. Mea culpa magna. I do believe that the best answer would probably benefit Febreze users on all three groups though. The situation is this: My wife and I use Febreze laundry additive on a regular basis to remove pet and other odors from laundry. Unfortunately, our local Albertson's here in Northern California seems to have stopped selling the product, and none of the other big chains in the area have it either. There are OTHER Febreze products, but not the laundry additive. My wife believes that P & G have stopped making it, and that leads us to wonder how we're going to find a substitute that works just as well as the Febreze did. She has written a letter to P & G asking why the product appears to have been cancelled, but hasn't received a response yet. So I suppose that this plaintive cry from the wilderness is to ask three questions: 1. Does any know of a substitute for Febreze Laundry additive that works just as well ? 2. If you know of a place that still sells and ships it, would you please share the phone number and/or web page ? 3. Failing the above two, does anyone have a home-grown recipe for something that would be just as effective ? I've heard of a 1/4-Downy to 3/4-Water combo, but I don't know if that's for real or not. Thanks in advance for any help you can give. Eddie |
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"Otter" wrote in message
. com... First off, I'd like to ask your forbearance for having crossposted this to three groups. Mea culpa magna. I do believe that the best answer would probably benefit Febreze users on all three groups though. The situation is this: My wife and I use Febreze laundry additive on a regular basis to remove pet and other odors from laundry. Unfortunately, our local Albertson's here in Northern California seems to have stopped selling the product, and none of the other big chains in the area have it either. There are OTHER Febreze products, but not the laundry additive. My wife believes that P & G have stopped making it, and that leads us to wonder how we're going to find a substitute that works just as well as the Febreze did. She has written a letter to P & G asking why the product appears to have been cancelled, but hasn't received a response yet. So I suppose that this plaintive cry from the wilderness is to ask three questions: snip I hate when stuff like this happens. I think P&G has been doing major repositioning on Febreeze and I suspect they've discontinued the product. Their web page specifically suggests the following--don't know if this is where you wrote or not: "For questions about Febreze Laundry Odor Eliminator, please contact Changing Paradigms LLC. Here's how you can reach them: Changing Paradigms LLC 7786 Service Center Dr. West Chester OH 45069 1-888-334-4890 " |
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In article ,
Otter wrote: First off, I'd like to ask your forbearance for having crossposted this to three groups. Mea culpa magna. I do believe that the best answer would probably benefit Febreze users on all three groups though. The situation is this: My wife and I use Febreze laundry additive on a regular basis to remove pet and other odors from laundry. Unfortunately, our local Albertson's here in Northern California seems to have stopped selling the product, and none of the other big chains in the area have it either. [ ... ] What was special about the laundry additive? I.e., could you simply unscrew the top of a spray bottle and pour in some of it's contents? For pet odor removal, Natures' Miracle or Simple Solution work well; perhaps adding an ounce or two to a load would work. Alternatively, you could spray the clothes when putting them in the hamper. Gary -- Gary Heston "Sept. 11, 2001, already a day of immeasurable tragedy, cannot be the day liberty perished in this country." Judge Gerald Tjoflat |
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"Chloe" wrote:
"For questions about Febreze Laundry Odor Eliminator, please contact Changing Paradigms LLC. Here's how you can reach them: Changing Paradigms LLC 7786 Service Center Dr. West Chester OH 45069 1-888-334-4890 " This reads to me that they have sold off the prodict to someone else. P&G likes to concentrate on brand leaders. If the product doesn't meet sales targets, they spin it off to a management team or some other company. |
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Otter wrote:
1. Does any know of a substitute for Febreze Laundry additive that works just as well ? Normal laundry detergent. If you have to add stuff to get smells out then you are doing something wrong in washing. Are you overloading the washer? Using hard water? Is your washer about to die? What detergent are you using? -- -Bill |
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:24:51 -0600, Bill Seurer
scribbled: Otter wrote: 1. Does any know of a substitute for Febreze Laundry additive that works just as well ? Normal laundry detergent. If you have to add stuff to get smells out then you are doing something wrong in washing. Are you overloading the washer? Using hard water? Is your washer about to die? What detergent are you using? Incorrect. My dh and ds both have had horribly dirty and smelly work clothing that regular laundry detergent doesn't clean completely. No matter what I've done. I have found that adding a cup of ammonia to the wash water helps immensely. Nan |
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Nan wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:24:51 -0600, Bill Seurer scribbled: Otter wrote: 1. Does any know of a substitute for Febreze Laundry additive that works just as well ? Normal laundry detergent. If you have to add stuff to get smells out then you are doing something wrong in washing. Are you overloading the washer? Using hard water? Is your washer about to die? What detergent are you using? Incorrect. My dh and ds both have had horribly dirty and smelly work clothing that regular laundry detergent doesn't clean completely. No matter what I've done. I have found that adding a cup of ammonia to the wash water helps immensely. You're right, Nan. Ammonia is terrific for eliminating odours from clothes that laundry detergent doesn't get out. Specially pet smells. I know, I have two dogs and a cat. Plus, ammonia is almost as cheap as water, so it's frugal as the dickens. One thing to remember though is, DON'T EVER use ammonia and bleach together in the same wash. Ammonia jug has a big warning on the side about that. ing |
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"Gary Heston" wrote in message
... In article , Otter wrote: First off, I'd like to ask your forbearance for having crossposted this to three groups. Mea culpa magna. I do believe that the best answer would probably benefit Febreze users on all three groups though. The situation is this: My wife and I use Febreze laundry additive on a regular basis to remove pet and other odors from laundry. Unfortunately, our local Albertson's here in Northern California seems to have stopped selling the product, and none of the other big chains in the area have it either. [ ... ] What was special about the laundry additive? I.e., could you simply unscrew the top of a spray bottle and pour in some of it's contents? snip No. Febreeze is designed to work on dry fabric. |
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"Clark W. Griswold, Jr." wrote in message
... "Chloe" wrote: "For questions about Febreze Laundry Odor Eliminator, please contact Changing Paradigms LLC. Here's how you can reach them: Changing Paradigms LLC 7786 Service Center Dr. West Chester OH 45069 1-888-334-4890 " This reads to me that they have sold off the prodict to someone else. P&G likes to concentrate on brand leaders. If the product doesn't meet sales targets, they spin it off to a management team or some other company. Maybe. It also reads to me like they may have an outside company handling consumer questions, complaints, etc. for a product they simply discontinued. From doing consumer testing for them I have some knowledge of the subject at hand, but wouldn't want to breach my confidentiality agreement, even if they couldn't figure out who I am g. |
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Chloe wrote:
Maybe. It also reads to me like they may have an outside company handling consumer questions, complaints, etc. for a product they simply discontinued. febrese? i always thought it was a stupid idea. |
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"SoCalMike" wrote in message
news:Q79qd.677463$8_6.391342@attbi_s04... Chloe wrote: Maybe. It also reads to me like they may have an outside company handling consumer questions, complaints, etc. for a product they simply discontinued. febrese? i always thought it was a stupid idea. I don't know anything about the product that's the subject of this thread. The spray-on stuff for use on dry fabrics is excellent when it comes to getting odors out of things like upholstery that can't be easily cleaned otherwise. |
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Chloe wrote:
I don't know anything about the product that's the subject of this thread. The spray-on stuff for use on dry fabrics is excellent when it comes to getting odors out of things like upholstery that can't be easily cleaned otherwise. does febrese actually eliminate the odor, or just mask it? |
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SoCalMike wrote:
febrese? i always thought it was a stupid idea. It's good for freshening and removing odours from vertical blinds made from heavy fabric. That's about the only thing I use it for. I find the smell of febreze a little strong myself. |
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This has me baffled too. What's wrong with the detergent you use? Is the
machine not effective. I also find that drying the clothes in fresh air and with sunlight helps, but that is probably something most yanks would have difficulty understanding since you tend to overuse your clothes driers. Why stuff up the environment to dry your clothes when it can be done naturally. "Bill Seurer" wrote in message ... Otter wrote: 1. Does any know of a substitute for Febreze Laundry additive that works just as well ? Normal laundry detergent. If you have to add stuff to get smells out then you are doing something wrong in washing. Are you overloading the washer? Using hard water? Is your washer about to die? What detergent are you using? -- -Bill |
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Viviane wrote:
This has me baffled too. What's wrong with the detergent you use? Is the machine not effective. I also find that drying the clothes in fresh air and with sunlight helps, but that is probably something most yanks would have difficulty understanding since you tend to overuse your clothes driers. Why stuff up the environment to dry your clothes when it can be done naturally. If I'm not mistaking, the OP has pets that creates odours on certain washable items that they need an odour eliminator. I've never used the product in question so can't really comment on it. With respect to using clothes dryers, those with allergies, asthma, or other respiratory disorders are well advised to use a clothes dryer rather than hanging clothes on the line outdoors. Outdoor allergens such a moulds and pollens create a real problem. While a clothes line is frugal, not everyone can use one. Aside of the health issues, certain rental units prohibit outdoor clothes lines as does some new subdivisions and condo units. Another problem is weather. We had a very wet and cool summer and autumn, not very conducive to drying clothes outdoors. It has been wet or damp with heavily cloudy skies here for the past two weeks, again not very conducive to drying clothes outdoors. Few of us can go two or three weeks without doing laundry. Wet and damp conditions are perfect breeding gounds for moulds and mildews that are not only potententially dangerous allergens but also destroy perfectly good clothes! In the winter, clothes freeze on the lines without actually getting dry and if you are really lucky an ice storm with blow up to freeze them again. DH isn't too fond of putting on frozen skivies Better yet is when the birds leave their calling card and you have to start all over again. Oh, and I'm not a yank either. I dry my clothes in a clothes dryer though because that is what is dictated by my situation. Please don't judge everyone here with one paint brush! "Bill Seurer" wrote in message ... Otter wrote: 1. Does any know of a substitute for Febreze Laundry additive that works just as well ? Normal laundry detergent. If you have to add stuff to get smells out then you are doing something wrong in washing. Are you overloading the washer? Using hard water? Is your washer about to die? What detergent are you using? -- -Bill |
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"SoCalMike" wrote in message
news:z4bqd.678059$8_6.291459@attbi_s04... Chloe wrote: I don't know anything about the product that's the subject of this thread. The spray-on stuff for use on dry fabrics is excellent when it comes to getting odors out of things like upholstery that can't be easily cleaned otherwise. does febrese actually eliminate the odor, or just mask it? Eliminates it. |
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"Serendipity" wrote in message
... SoCalMike wrote: febrese? i always thought it was a stupid idea. It's good for freshening and removing odours from vertical blinds made from heavy fabric. That's about the only thing I use it for. I find the smell of febreze a little strong myself. I think the original scent was a problem for many consumers. I don't know about in Canada, but in the US they now sell it in several new scents, most of which I find less objectionable. IIRC allergies were a problem for you. There's a version they claim reduces allergens. I don't use it, but one of my friends swears it works. |
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Hi Bill
We use OdorOut and like it better than Fabreze! Rather than using it in the wash, we keep a tattered washrag in the dryer that is lightly dampened with the Odor Out between each load. In a few closets, we have 'spent' air freshener modules (the plastic flat cylinder with the 'ink blotter' ring inside) that we rewet the ink blotter with OdorOut about once a month. TTUL Gary |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:04:40 +1100, "Viviane"
scribbled: This has me baffled too. What's wrong with the detergent you use? Is the machine not effective. I also find that drying the clothes in fresh air and with sunlight helps, but that is probably something most yanks would have difficulty understanding since you tend to overuse your clothes driers. Why stuff up the environment to dry your clothes when it can be done naturally. "most yanks". Hmmmmm. At any rate, drying clothing outdoor is not recommended for people who suffer outdoor allergies. Where we live, outdoor lines aren't allowed by management, but I do get away with putting it up and taking it down each time I use it. People living in apartments, condos and the like also cannot line dry. Try to understand not everyone is trying to stuff up the environment! Nan |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:50:44 -0500, Joel M. Eichen
scribbled: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:57:21 -0500, Nan wrote: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:04:40 +1100, "Viviane" scribbled: This has me baffled too. What's wrong with the detergent you use? Is the machine not effective. I also find that drying the clothes in fresh air and with sunlight helps, but that is probably something most yanks would have difficulty understanding since you tend to overuse your clothes driers. Why stuff up the environment to dry your clothes when it can be done naturally. "most yanks". Hmmmmm. At any rate, drying clothing outdoor is not recommended for people who suffer outdoor allergies. Or people living in the 'hood! Aren't we all just environment stuffing heathens that carry guns around? Nan |
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"Viviane" wrote in message u... This has me baffled too. What's wrong with the detergent you use? Is the machine not effective. I also find that drying the clothes in fresh air and with sunlight helps, but that is probably something most yanks would have difficulty understanding since you tend to overuse your clothes driers. Why stuff up the environment to dry your clothes when it can be done naturally. Bit of a generalisation and it's not just yanks . Church Housing supply washers and driers, no lines allowed. Plenty of maisonettes + flats here - Britain - that have no lines. there again I know plenty of people that can't be arsed to stick it on the line due to laziness. "Bill Seurer" wrote in message ... Otter wrote: 1. Does any know of a substitute for Febreze Laundry additive that works just as well ? Normal laundry detergent. If you have to add stuff to get smells out then you are doing something wrong in washing. Are you overloading the washer? Using hard water? Is your washer about to die? What detergent are you using? -- -Bill |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:57:21 -0500, Nan wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:04:40 +1100, "Viviane" scribbled: This has me baffled too. What's wrong with the detergent you use? Is the machine not effective. I also find that drying the clothes in fresh air and with sunlight helps, but that is probably something most yanks would have difficulty understanding since you tend to overuse your clothes driers. Why stuff up the environment to dry your clothes when it can be done naturally. "most yanks". Hmmmmm. At any rate, drying clothing outdoor is not recommended for people who suffer outdoor allergies. Or people living in the 'hood! Where we live, outdoor lines aren't allowed by management, but I do get away with putting it up and taking it down each time I use it. People living in apartments, condos and the like also cannot line dry. Try to understand not everyone is trying to stuff up the environment! Nan |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:48:20 -0500, Nan wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:50:44 -0500, Joel M. Eichen scribbled: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:57:21 -0500, Nan wrote: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:04:40 +1100, "Viviane" scribbled: This has me baffled too. What's wrong with the detergent you use? Is the machine not effective. I also find that drying the clothes in fresh air and with sunlight helps, but that is probably something most yanks would have difficulty understanding since you tend to overuse your clothes driers. Why stuff up the environment to dry your clothes when it can be done naturally. "most yanks". Hmmmmm. At any rate, drying clothing outdoor is not recommended for people who suffer outdoor allergies. Or people living in the 'hood! Aren't we all just environment stuffing heathens that carry guns around? Nan Nah, my RPG gets tied up inside the bedsheets ...... |
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Nan wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:04:40 +1100, "Viviane" scribbled: This has me baffled too. What's wrong with the detergent you use? Is the machine not effective. I also find that drying the clothes in fresh air and with sunlight helps, but that is probably something most yanks would have difficulty understanding since you tend to overuse your clothes driers. Why stuff up the environment to dry your clothes when it can be done naturally. "most yanks". Hmmmmm. At any rate, drying clothing outdoor is not recommended for people who suffer outdoor allergies. Where we live, outdoor lines aren't allowed by management, but I do get away with putting it up and taking it down each time I use it. People living in apartments, condos and the like also cannot line dry. Try to understand not everyone is trying to stuff up the environment! Nan I used to line dry when I was a stay at home mom. Now I work, and hubby is disabled. He has limited range of motion in his arms, neck, and back, so line drying is out. It is all he can do just to get a load to the dryer. My son is too short to hang things to dry, but I guess my daughter could. However, we now have a dog who goes nuts when he hears sheets snapping in the breeze, and rips them off the line in an attempt to kill them, I guess. --Jane |
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Nan wrote:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:50:44 -0500, Joel M. Eichen scribbled: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:57:21 -0500, Nan wrote: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:04:40 +1100, "Viviane" scribbled: This has me baffled too. What's wrong with the detergent you use? Is the machine not effective. I also find that drying the clothes in fresh air and with sunlight helps, but that is probably something most yanks would have difficulty understanding since you tend to overuse your clothes driers. Why stuff up the environment to dry your clothes when it can be done naturally. "most yanks". Hmmmmm. At any rate, drying clothing outdoor is not recommended for people who suffer outdoor allergies. Or people living in the 'hood! Aren't we all just environment stuffing heathens that carry guns around? Nan When I lived in Denton, TX, near UNT, but in a bad side of town, I had clothes stolen off the line a couple of times. The last straw was when my autographed REM t-shirt went missing. After that, I always went to the laundrymat to dry, since my apartment didn't have a hookup for a dryer. --Jane |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:27:17 GMT, Jane Sitton
wrote: Nan wrote: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 11:50:44 -0500, Joel M. Eichen scribbled: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:57:21 -0500, Nan wrote: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:04:40 +1100, "Viviane" scribbled: This has me baffled too. What's wrong with the detergent you use? Is the machine not effective. I also find that drying the clothes in fresh air and with sunlight helps, but that is probably something most yanks would have difficulty understanding since you tend to overuse your clothes driers. Why stuff up the environment to dry your clothes when it can be done naturally. "most yanks". Hmmmmm. At any rate, drying clothing outdoor is not recommended for people who suffer outdoor allergies. Or people living in the 'hood! Aren't we all just environment stuffing heathens that carry guns around? Nan When I lived in Denton, TX, near UNT, but in a bad side of town, I had clothes stolen off the line a couple of times. Worse! Around here people are accosted and the clothes are stolen off their body! Joel The last straw was when my autographed REM t-shirt went missing. After that, I always went to the laundrymat to dry, since my apartment didn't have a hookup for a dryer. --Jane |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:27:17 GMT, Jane Sitton
scribbled: When I lived in Denton, TX, near UNT, but in a bad side of town, I had clothes stolen off the line a couple of times. The last straw was when my autographed REM t-shirt went missing. After that, I always went to the laundrymat to dry, since my apartment didn't have a hookup for a dryer. I don't blame you! I haven't had anything go missing from our clothesline, but I doubt anyone really wants hubby's torn up work jeans ;-) Nan |
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 19:07:09 GMT, Dawn scribbled:
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:33:03 -0500, Nan wrote: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:27:17 GMT, Jane Sitton scribbled: When I lived in Denton, TX, near UNT, but in a bad side of town, I had clothes stolen off the line a couple of times. The last straw was when my autographed REM t-shirt went missing. After that, I always went to the laundrymat to dry, since my apartment didn't have a hookup for a dryer. I don't blame you! I haven't had anything go missing from our clothesline, but I doubt anyone really wants hubby's torn up work jeans ;-) My neighbour is a painter and decorator. He's had his paint-splattered overalls and jeans nicked more than once. OTOH When a line is full people around here will use a neighbour's line. I came home to find a line full of washing that I subsequently took in and folded when rain threatened. It wasn't claimed for three days and then by someone living a few streets away! Wow! That would be very out of the ordinary here. Nan |
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"Otter" wrote in message
. com... First off, I'd like to ask your forbearance for having crossposted this to three groups. Mea culpa magna. I do believe that the best answer would probably benefit Febreze users on all three groups though. ....snip... And so I do it for the second, and final, time... Thank you to the many respondants to my questions, both those who answered and those who commented. The issue appears to have been resolved to my wife's and my satisfaction by the PR department of Procter & Gamble. They replied to her email to indicate that the product was still available at certain merchants including Albertson's where we shop and that they had not discontinued it. We'll have to order it special, but other than that everything's fine. All that notwithstanding, there were some questions raised in the reply posts that I would like to address before I wander off. 1. SoCalMike: "i always thought it was a stupid idea.". In all fairness, so did I until my wife proved to me that it didn't just mask the smell of cat urine, it eliminated it and all without destroying or changing the color of the fabric. Give it a shot some time when you're trying to get out smoke or pet or other smells. 2. Gary Heston: The spray products with the Febreze name all serve different purposes and may be used for spots, but not for total garment treatment... unless you want to spray every square inch of course, but nonetheless they are different. We do use Nature's Miracle for other stuff. Thanks for bringing that point up as there may be other people who have not heard of it and may benefit. 3. Bill Seurer: "Normal laundry detergent" with a "normal washer" is good for normal dirt in normal clothes. Anything out of the ordinary requires non-ordinary measures. 4. Viviane Question 1: "What's wrong with the detergent you use?" - Nothing. It is the most popular commercial laundry detergent sold in North America and very effective on a wide range of soils. 4. Viviane Question 2: "Is the machine not effective." - It is indeed and it is less than two years old and used twice a week on average. 4. Viviane Question 3: "I also find that drying the clothes in fresh air and with sunlight helps, but that is probably something most yanks would have difficulty understanding since you tend to overuse your clothes driers." - Ah, yes. I think I see the problem here... You're assuming that we in the northern colonies still wash our clothes by beating them against rocks down by the river. No... not any more. We have something new here now called "electricity", and indoor plumbing. Together they allow us to do our laundry indoors without fear of being attacked by Indians, mountain lions or wolves. 5. Serendipity: Thank you. Thank you again. FWIW: I'm a Canadian, but my wife is a citizen of the U.S. I think we have enough problems here at the moment without being insulted to boot. 6. Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr: Thank you Gary. I've never heard of OdorOut, but I am looking it up as we speak... er... type. Thanks again. Eddie |
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I put a small amount of liquid fabric softener in my my wash right along
with laundry soap. The clothes still have a fresh smell like the softener, but not as heavy. My teenaged son works at a fast food place and we have found this to be the ONLY way to remove those gross greasy odors that hang on. So, maybe whoever told you 1/4 downey to 3/4 cup of water was correct. \\ "Otter" wrote in message . com... First off, I'd like to ask your forbearance for having crossposted this to three groups. Mea culpa magna. I do believe that the best answer would probably benefit Febreze users on all three groups though. The situation is this: My wife and I use Febreze laundry additive on a regular basis to remove pet and other odors from laundry. Unfortunately, our local Albertson's here in Northern California seems to have stopped selling the product, and none of the other big chains in the area have it either. There are OTHER Febreze products, but not the laundry additive. My wife believes that P & G have stopped making it, and that leads us to wonder how we're going to find a substitute that works just as well as the Febreze did. She has written a letter to P & G asking why the product appears to have been cancelled, but hasn't received a response yet. So I suppose that this plaintive cry from the wilderness is to ask three questions: 1. Does any know of a substitute for Febreze Laundry additive that works just as well ? 2. If you know of a place that still sells and ships it, would you please share the phone number and/or web page ? 3. Failing the above two, does anyone have a home-grown recipe for something that would be just as effective ? I've heard of a 1/4-Downy to 3/4-Water combo, but I don't know if that's for real or not. Thanks in advance for any help you can give. Eddie |
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