I was wondering about that. Let's say a land lord wants to spy on
their tenants and make their lives miserable by coming into their home
everyday. Most places require at least a 24 hour notice. Can a
landlord make up bull**** things such as "check the outlet cover for
cracks in the kitchen by the microwave", and just keep making work
orders everyday for stuff like that?

On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:08:43 -0800 (PST), zeez
wrote:

I was wondering about that. Let's say a land lord wants to spy on
their tenants and make their lives miserable by coming into their home
everyday. Most places require at least a 24 hour notice. Can a
landlord make up bull**** things such as "check the outlet cover for
cracks in the kitchen by the microwave", and just keep making work
orders everyday for stuff like that?

The limitations certainly depends on your location and the contract
you signed. Your scenario, as stated, would certainly be an excessive
invasion of your privacy. What's the real story?

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says...
I was wondering about that. Let's say a land lord wants to spy on
their tenants and make their lives miserable by coming into their home
everyday. Most places require at least a 24 hour notice. Can a
landlord make up bull**** things such as "check the outlet cover for
cracks in the kitchen by the microwave", and just keep making work
orders everyday for stuff like that?


I've never had a landlord who had time for such behaviour.

If a landlord is deliberately trying to make the tenant
miserable, then it probably isn't about "spying." It is more
likely about provoking the tenant to move out. Like in a
situation where there are restrictions on raising the rent for
existing tenants, but not when soliciting new tenants.

I once had a somewhat incompetent, "mom and pop" type landlord -
a couple who only had that one apartment. They would
occasionally show up unannounced, with the excuse that I didn't
answer the phone when they had called ahead. Apparantly, they
didn't feel like leaving a message on my voicemail.

The landlady (or, rather, the landlord's non-working wife)
actually had the gall to tell me that I should go on vacation.
And claimed that she was trying to help me to enjoy life more.

The real reason was that, they wanted to remodel the bathroom,
and didn't want to pay for me to have alternative accommodation
while the place was unlivable. She felt entitled to have me pay
rent while the plumbing was out of commission, with me also
paying for another place to stay, "on vacation."

I had already set myself up to look like a chump, because I had
tolerated a couple of other serious problems, including
replacement of floor-to-ceiling windows while I was living there.
I should have gone to the Housing Commission with photos and
demanded a severe rent reduction for those periods. When you act
nice and tolerant, a lot of people just start feeling more and
more entitled.

I later ended up leaving that place out of concern for my
physical safety, having been attacked by a neighbour. It was
partly related to a littering dispute (she threw hundreds of lit
cigarette butts around the outside of the building.) Although
her main beef with me was that, I had refused to be personal
friends with her. Plus she was angry that I had a better
financial/job/life situation than her.

My then-landlord's wife actually took the side of the neighbour,
and insisted that I must be the problem.

That was partly because she wanted to churn the tenant, redo the
bathroom, and jack up the rent. Interesting enough, she
specifically wanted to replace me with a male tenant, to reduce
the risk of more conflict with the abusive neighbour, who was the
trying to be the "queen bee" over all the women in the building.
Also, landlord's-wife was livid when I made a casual comment
about my opinion of housewives and other incompetent type women.

Some landlords just don't appreciate how valuable a tenant like
me is. The kind who stays stable for years, pays on time, acts
quiet and civilised, doesn't damage anything, etc.

I sincerely hope that, since my departure, the above-mentioned
landlords have had a string of bad tenants, burning them for
money and trashing the place. And I hope that they have had lots
of headaches with the aforementioned neighbour.


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"zeez" wrote in message
I was wondering about that. Let's say a land lord wants to spy on
their tenants and make their lives miserable by coming into their home
everyday. Most places require at least a 24 hour notice. Can a
landlord make up bull**** things such as "check the outlet cover for
cracks in the kitchen by the microwave", and just keep making work
orders everyday for stuff like that?


Might read your state's laws on this. Perhaps the law also gives you the
option of rescheduling?

Then have you paid your rent?

Are you doing anything illegal or anything which is bothering the other
tenants?

An apartment building is a business. If you are doing something which is
going to cost them money in repairs, an environmental cleanup, cause the
other "good" tenants to move out, etc. I would imagine they would use every
trick in the book to prevent that from happening and get you to move out.

If you are a good tenant who pays the rent on time and does not give them
any trouble, then I would imagine they would not want to bother you and
would want to keep you as a tenant.

On Dec 20, 1:35 pm, krw wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:08:43 -0800 (PST), zeez

wrote:
I was wondering about that. Let's say a land lord wants to spy on
their tenants and make their lives miserable by coming into their home
everyday. Most places require at least a 24 hour notice. Can a
landlord make up bull**** things such as "check the outlet cover for
cracks in the kitchen by the microwave", and just keep making work
orders everyday for stuff like that?

The limitations certainly depends on your location and the contract
you signed. Your scenario, as stated, would certainly be an excessive
invasion of your privacy. What's the real story?

Just hypothesizing here.

On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:48:58 -0800 (PST), zeez
wrote:

On Dec 20, 1:35 pm, krw wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:08:43 -0800 (PST), zeez

wrote:
I was wondering about that. Let's say a land lord wants to spy on
their tenants and make their lives miserable by coming into their home
everyday. Most places require at least a 24 hour notice. Can a
landlord make up bull**** things such as "check the outlet cover for
cracks in the kitchen by the microwave", and just keep making work
orders everyday for stuff like that?

The limitations certainly depends on your location and the contract
you signed. Your scenario, as stated, would certainly be an excessive
invasion of your privacy. What's the real story?

Just hypothesizing here.

No, you're doing nothing.

*I was wondering about that. Let's say a land lord wants to spy on
their tenants and make their lives miserable by coming into their home
everyday. Most places require at least a 24 hour notice. Can a
landlord make up bull**** things such as "check the outlet cover for
cracks in the kitchen by the microwave", and just keep making work
orders everyday for stuff like that?

Why would a landlord possibly want to do that?

For awhile DEA and other law enforcement would seize rental property
on the suspicion of drug dealing.


Bret Cahill

Only God can grant you the right to own property, so all other
claims to property ownership are fraudulent and man-made contrivances.

Gogarty writes:
A cop told me once never to give your keys to anyone else, including your
landlord. If he really has to get in then doors are cheap.

The cop who told you that is a moron.

Most states prohibit tenants from preventing the landlord
from reasonable access to the property. Most boilerplate
leases have similar language in them. Therefore, changing
the locks and refusing to give keys to the landlord would in
most cases violate both state law and the lease.

And the door is only cheap until the cost of replacing it
comes out of your damage deposit.

Coffee's For Closers writes:
...
Also, landlord's-wife was livid when I made a casual comment
about my opinion of housewives and other incompetent type women.

Yeah, you sound like a real friendly person. I just can't
imagine why you had trouble getting along with the landlord
and the other tenants.

zeez writes:
I was wondering about that. Let's say a land lord wants to spy on
their tenants and make their lives miserable by coming into their home
everyday. ...

Google for "quiet enjoyment" (with the quotes). Quoting from
the first match:

"Quiet enjoyment is a right to the undisturbed use and
enjoyment of real property by a tenant or landowner...

"Courts read a covenant of quiet enjoyment between the
landlord and tenant into every rental agreement, or tenancy.
Thus a renter, or tenant, has the right to quiet enjoyment of
the leased premises regardless of whether the rental
agreement contains such a covenant."

In other words, it's common law, so everyone here who has told
you to consult the laws for your state or the terms of your
lease is wrong.

Any housing court judge with a modicum of common sense would
consider frequent intrusions by the landlord into an apartment
to be a deprivation of the tenant's right to quiet enjoyment,
if not ipso facto, then certainly after the tenant has asked
the landlord to stop. It would be recognized for what it is
-- an attempt by the landlord to harass or spy on the tenant,
for whatever reason.

So yes, the victim of such intrusions, if s/he were so
motivated to do so, could file a complaint in housing court
and ask the court to award damages for breach of contract and
injunctive relief (i.e., an order barring the landlord from
continuing to intrude unnecessarily into the apartment).

Usually, state law prohibits retribution by a landlord against
a tenant for filing such a complaint, but there are ways
landlords can get back at tenants which are very difficult to
prove in court, so if a tenant decides to go this route,
s/he's almost certainly asking for some grief at the hands of
the landlord. It is therefore not a step to be taken lightly.

"Scott in SoCal" wrote in message
...
Last time on misc.consumers, Shawn Hirn said:

In article
,
zeez wrote:

I was wondering about that. Let's say a land lord wants to spy on
their tenants and make their lives miserable by coming into their home
everyday. Most places require at least a 24 hour notice. Can a
landlord make up bull**** things such as "check the outlet cover for
cracks in the kitchen by the microwave", and just keep making work
orders everyday for stuff like that?

Why would a landlord possibly want to do that?

Sounds like a good plot for a Kafka novel.


Here are the facts from Nolo's Law. Read especially numbers 1 and 6

Backed with men who have guns and run a huge gulag.

Fact Attack wrote:
Only God can grant you the right to own property, so all other
claims to property ownership are fraudulent and man-made contrivances.

zeez wrote:
Backed with men who have guns and run a huge gulag.
Then too, they won't have much power if the **** hits the fan and
people revolt.
Fact Attack wrote:
Only God can grant you the right to own property, so all other
claims to property ownership are fraudulent and man-made contrivances.

In article ,
says...

Coffee's For Closers writes:
...

Also, landlord's-wife was livid when I made a casual comment
about my opinion of housewives and other incompetent type women.


Yeah, you sound like a real friendly person. I just can't
imagine why you had trouble getting along with the landlord
and the other tenants.


I only said that AFTER landlord's wife told me that she didn't
care about the neighbour's littering and threats of violence when
I had politely asked her to stop.

I had lived in that place for several years, with absolutely zero
problems or conflicts with anyone. Right up until Demon Bitch
Neighbour From Hell moved in. And started demanding personal
friendship, favours, access to other people possessions, etc,
etc. And littering. And threatening me violence when I politely
asked her to stop.

She actually came to my door one morning, pounding, and wailing
about how she just wanted to talk, after she realised that I
didn't want to be friends with her (I had left a brief note
telling her to leave me alone.) For over fifteen minutes of
whining. And left a note stating that, she continue approaching
me, until we negotiated an agreement for me to socialised
together. She had already directly stated her expectation that,
personal friendship with her, was going to be a requirement for
all of the tenants in the building.

Even months later, when she started threatening me with violence,
she still whined that she didn't understand why I wouldn't be
friends.

The actual landlord made it clear that he was on my side. He
understood that, Neighbour From Hell's motivations were (1) anger
at being rejected for friendship, and (2) envy of my better
financial situation. He directly stated both of those things.

It was landlord's-wife who acted like an ass, by taking the
neighbour's side.

The whole thing would have worked out much differently, if
Neighbour From Hell had been a tenant. She would have been
kicked out. Unfortunately, she had used her divorce settlement
to start buying her unit. And she directly stated that, that was
the reason why she felt entitled to act however she pleased.

I had never had any serious neighbour disputes, in any of the
places I lived before there. And haven't had any disputes in the
years since that incident.

One of the reasons I made that comment about housewives and other
incompetent women was that neighbour. She was one of those whiny
divorcees who was constantly angry that she had to turn off the
TeeVee and get a job. She thought that, the way to make friends
was to play the "queen bee" and put other women down, and
expecting admiration in return. Constant, pure, toxicity. The
type of middle-aged female who cannot handle basic civilised
adult interaction, because she simply never had to mature while
sitting on the couch all those years.

Google on "female bullying" and you will learn about that type of
person, and why it is vital to stand up to them.


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Coffee's For Closers writes:
...
Also, landlord's-wife was livid when I made a casual comment
about my opinion of housewives and other incompetent type women.

Yeah, you sound like a real friendly person. I just can't
imagine why you had trouble getting along with the landlord
and the other tenants.

A. The cop may have been a moron. Philadelphia. But the principle is
correct with contractual exceptions. We do in fact leave keys with the
landlord.

B. Absolutely right on this one. Who would want her for a neighbor?


Would you prefer a neighbour who throws lit cigarette butts out
her second-story window and balcony, down to where you have to
clean them up?

Would you prefer a neighbour who physically attacks you after you
complain to your landlord, and also politely ask her to stop the
littering?


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Coffee's For Closers writes:
Would you prefer a neighbour who throws lit cigarette butts out
her second-story window and balcony, down to where you have to
clean them up?

Another tenant litters on the property, you take it up with
his/her landlord, not with the tenant. If the landlord
doesn't do anything about it, you've got a beef with the
landlord, not with the tenant.

But you've already indicated that the neighbor in question
owned her unit, which means that there was no landlord to
complain to. If there's a condo association or HOA, you take
up with them. If they don't do anything about it, you've got
a beef with them, not with the tenant.

If there's no landlord, condo association, or HOA, then
you're SOL. Deal with it.

Would you prefer a neighbour who physically attacks you after you
complain to your landlord, and also politely ask her to stop the
littering?

It's clear from your postings that you walk around with a
chip on your shoulder. I'm sure that came through loud and
clear to your neighbor, regardless of how "polite" you
thought you were being.

It's also clear that you figured out early on that this was
not someone you were going to be able to reason with, so
talking to her about the littering was just stupid. Everybody
has bad neighbors. It's a fact of life, and you deal with it.
When the bad neighbor is someone you can't reason with, the
best strategy is to ignore everything that it's possible to
ignore, and cigarette butts clearly fall into that category.

By the way, what was the outcome of the complaint you filed
with the police after your neighbor physically attacked you.
You *did* file a complaint with the police, right?

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Coffee's For Closers writes:

Would you prefer a neighbour who throws lit cigarette butts out
her second-story window and balcony, down to where you have to
clean them up?


Another tenant litters on the property, you take it up with
his/her landlord, not with the tenant. If the landlord
doesn't do anything about it, you've got a beef with the
landlord, not with the tenant.


Yes, in a tenant-vs-tenant situation, I would have prevailed.
Especially when the threats of violence started.


But you've already indicated that the neighbor in question
owned her unit, which means that there was no landlord to
complain to.


That was a major factor in Demon Bitch Neighbour's sense of
entitlement. She believed that, simply "owning" her unit (with a
barely payable mortgage/expenses nut) gave her personal
authoriTAH over the entire building. And she actually expressed
that, verbally. Including the right to toss cigarette butts all
over the common areas.


If there's a condo association or HOA, you take
up with them. If they don't do anything about it, you've got
a beef with them, not with the tenant.


That was my first action. I actually cleaned up many of the
cigarette butts. With disposeable latex gloves, and placing them
into a clean ziplock bag. Which I taped to the offender's door,
when she was at work. But I didn't speak with her. I promptly
called my landlord, with a complaint.

Landlord was sympathetic. He stated that I should NOT have to
tolorate it. I mentioned that, the perp's droppings had landed
in my vegetable garden. Which was what really set me off, when
it continued. Aahhhh... I'll go out and get some buttercrunch
lettuce for dinner... And pick the neighbour's cigarette butt out
of my food... Yummy!


If there's no landlord, condo association, or HOA, then
you're SOL. Deal with it.


There was an owner's group. However, Bitch Neighbour From Hell
was the only occupier - the others were all absent. And didn't
care that she was littering. And didn't care how she treated the
tenants.

They only cared that she whined about how horrible I was. And
that I was magically the problem. And that she was an owner, and
so outranked me.

Basically, you can tell a tenant to leave. But booting an owner
is a much bigger hassle. Therefore, the tenant is automatically
the guilty party. Especially when the owner is whining, whining,
whiiiinnnnnniiinnnggggg, and being a consistent pain in the arse.

Let's keep in mind that, this psycho had directly stated her
intent to control the population of the building. Including
demanding that, the other owners only rent to tenants who would
be her personal friends. To feed her female-bully queen-bee
fantasies. To compensate for the emotional/financial hit of her
divorce.

Have I mentioned how entitled and arrogant she was?


Would you prefer a neighbour who physically attacks you after you
complain to your landlord, and also politely ask her to stop the
littering?


It's clear from your postings that you walk around with a
chip on your shoulder.


I have never made an unprovoked attack on a neighbour, or anyone
else. This particular "chip" is specifically in response to the
incompetent landlord, his arrogant wife, and dirtbag neighbour.

The original poster of this thread was asking about malicious or
incompetent landlords. So, I mentioned my one really bad
experience.

I have been renting apartments for over twenty years, in several
cities. And I have NEVER encountered anything that even
approaches that conflict.


I'm sure that came through loud and
clear to your neighbor, regardless of how "polite" you
thought you were being.


My first resort was to call my landlord (part own of the
building.) He took my side right from the start, and all the way
to the bitter end.

The filthy smoker told my landlord that she would "try" to use
and ashtray. She failed, because throwing and flicking the butts
is a part of the smoking ritual. Plus, she even claimed to be a
"clean" person by never having butts inside her home(!)

It was only AFTER she had been told to stop, by my landlord
that... I found another butt IN MY FOOD. And, very, very
politely asked her to stop.

Her first response was to lie, and claim that they weren't hers.
In a small building. With her as the only smoker.
Tossing/flicking openly. With most of the butts in a trail from
her parking space to her door, with concentrations at each end.

When that lie didn't work, she claimed that, she had a right to
"dirty up my home." When the other owners were mentioned, she
claimed that, "They don't care!" Despite the fact that they had
told her to stop.

When that didn't work, she started threatening physical violence.

Yes, I was always polite. Right up until she started lying and
threatening violence.


It's also clear that you figured out early on that this was
not someone you were going to be able to reason with, so
talking to her about the littering was just stupid. Everybody
has bad neighbors. It's a fact of life, and you deal with it.
When the bad neighbor is someone you can't reason with, the
best strategy is to ignore everything that it's possible to
ignore, and cigarette butts clearly fall into that category.


Actually, no. I lived in that place for over five years, with
zero conflicts with anyone. No problems until the filth-bag
showed up. And not just littering. But also DEMANDING personal
friendship, favours, access to possessions. And, not just to me,
but to other tenants, as well.

I have lived in my current location for years. And I don't have
to put up with any abuse from my neighbours. Because they don't
litter. And they don't DEMAND friendship, etc. No problems.

And, exactly how much do you think that people are obligated to
ignore?

Do you expect me to tolerate 120dB music in the middle of the
night? An amphetamine lab?

My present upstairs neighbours include some children. They make
little noise. I never complain, because I understand. No
problem.

I have lived in placed where cigarette butts meant nothing.
Where the litter included used hypodermic needles. But, in a
decent suburb, we a have a differ net standard. Where people act
civilised. Because I pay more more money to filter the nasty
behaviour away from me.

Tobacco addicts should be ghettoized. Literally. Forced to live
in scungy inner-city slums that they can use as their personal
ash-trays. Or banished to the nastiest desert island (maybe down
by Antarctica) in a sort of penal colony. They could get weekly
helicopter drops of cheetos and cancer-sticks. With the fights
and riots on pay-per-view.


By the way, what was the outcome of the complaint you filed
with the police after your neighbor physically attacked you.
You *did* file a complaint with the police, right?


Actually, I had approached the police on the day of the first
verbal threat. It was only after Neighbour From Hell sent her
punkass "adult" son to my door, threatening me, that the cops
were concerned. But all they did was a couple of phone calls,
telling them to stop.

The next day, Neighbour From Hell went to a different copshop,
and filed a complaint accusing ME of threatening her. Those
officers were surprised to hear that I had been the initial
complainant.

That is how female bullies ALWAYS operate. And, unfortunately,
the cops wouldn't admit to any ultimate disagreement. And they
took her side. Mostly because she was turning on the tears and
whiiining, like a damsel in distress.

Later, after the physical attack (very minor, no injuries), I
knew very well that I was SOL. Because the cops were already on
her side. In a subsequent, non-reporting conversation with one
of the cops, I was told that, "No-Witness=No-Recourse," and that,
I was right for NOT CALLING.

Generally, if a female does any physical aggression to you -
regardless of your sex - you are a total fool if you call the
cops.

Her track record of lying meant that, she would 100% Guaranteed
have accused me of being the aggressor. With the cops already on
her side from previous lying. Plus, there was the risk of her
having her punk-ass son, or some other beta, lying as a witness.

If I had reported it that, night, I could have been convicted of
attacking her. Without ANY regard for the reality of the
situation.

THAT is how female bullies ALWAYS work.

There were some other behaviour problems from Neighbour From
Hell, which I don't have time to get in to. We're talking
someone who claims an authoriTAH to dictate other people's
hobbies, and how much time they are allowed to spend at home (in
"her" building) and what kind of job they can do. She seemed to
think that, rejecting her as a friend meant that I would be
prohibited from speaking to the other neighbours (e.g. about her
psycho behaviour.) And on, and on, and on, with more psycho
entitlement attitudes.


However, my actual landlord was always on my side. He even
stated that, Neighbour From Hell clearly needed some psychiatric
help. He wanted her gone, and valued me as a good, stable, long-
term tenant. Right to the end, he said that I was being shafted.

OTOH, Landlord's-Wife initially told me that, the threats should
be taken seriously. She wanted me to continue living there. As
a good, quiet, stable tenant forking over the cash. As a chump
tolerating deteriorating conditions.

Right up until I voiced my opinions of housewives, divorced
housewives, and incompetentt young women. And she actually said
that I was some kind of a bad person for rejecting the losers.

Plus, the continuing whining from the owner-bully.


Interestngly... A Web search shows that, Neighbour Bully is now
longer listed in the phone book. And that, her apartment was up
for rent a few months ago, with her furniture in it. And, was
vacant for several weeks, including a reduction in the rent
demanded. And, I am quite confident that, she didn't move up
economically, since she had been complaining about how tough
paycheque-to-paycheque living was for someone who couldn't even
cook instant noodles was....

Even a queen bee. I bet she moved in with her mommy.


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september.org, says...

OTOH, Landlord's-Wife initially told me that, the threats should
be taken seriously. She wanted me to continue living there. As
a good, quiet, stable tenant forking over the cash. As a chump
tolerating deteriorating conditions.


Oops, typo... Landlord's-wife stated that I should NOT take the
threats seriously.

Later, she dismissed me as either lying about the whole thing, or
as having provoked the Psycho Neigbour. Typical attitude from
the type who enables bullies.


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Coffee's For Closers writes:
That was my first action. I actually cleaned up many of the
cigarette butts. With disposeable latex gloves, and placing them
into a clean ziplock bag. Which I taped to the offender's door,
when she was at work. But I didn't speak with her. I promptly
called my landlord, with a complaint.

So let me get this straight. Your "first action" in
responding to litter from one of your neighbors was to tape
the litter in a bag to her door, and yet you think you did
nothing to provoke her or project any sort of "attitude."

One of the amusing things (for bystanders) about people like
you is that they are completely oblivious to the fact that
their actions are at least as much a part of the problem as
the people they're accusing.

Let me give you a clue: polite, sensible people without a chip
on their shoulder do not tape litter to a neighbor's door as
their "first action" when trying to get the neighbor to stop
littering. Taping litter to a neighbor's door is the last
resort, not the first one.

Yeah, she shouldn't have been littering. But guess what? You,
not she, turned the littering into a conflict rather than a
matter of courtesy between neighbors.

I've omitted most of the remainder of your post, which was
basically a sob story about how everyone (other owners, the
HOA, the police) were out to get you. There's an old Irish
saying: "When three people say you're drunk, call a cab." let
me spell out what that means for you, since I doubt you'll get
it otherwise... When it seems like everybody's out to get you
and nobody's on your side, the odds are they're not the ones
who are wrong.

On the subject of the police in particular, your armchair
psychology about how she poisoned the police against you by
whining and turning on the tears is just so much fantasy.
Yes, some people are very good at putting on an act and
manipulating the police, and yes, sometimes they fall for it.
But the single biggest factor in determining whether the
police listen to a person is whether that person is polite,
civil, and sticks to the facts. And you know what? Given the
personality that has come through loud and clear in your
postings here, I highly doubt you did that.

Have I mentioned how entitled and arrogant she was?

And you don't act entitled or arrogant at all. Yeah, right.

And, exactly how much do you think that people are obligated to
ignore?

Do you expect me to tolerate 120dB music in the middle of the
night?

No, see, because that's illegal, and you can call the police,
and they can come and see for themselves and objectively
verify your complaint, and then they can do something about
it.

An amphetamine lab?

Ditto.

Only an idiot would equate 120dB music in the middle of the
night or a meth lab with cigarett butts.

Tobacco addicts should be ghettoized. Literally. Forced to live
in scungy inner-city slums that they can use as their personal
ash-trays. Or banished to the nastiest desert island (maybe down
by Antarctica) in a sort of penal colony. They could get weekly
helicopter drops of cheetos and cancer-sticks. With the fights
and riots on pay-per-view.

Yup, I'm sure you did *nothing* to provoke your neighbor or
convince the police that you're a raving loony.