Hi
Would appreciate some advice on the above. The adapter was part of a "Dual
record deck" (CS455). Unfortunately the adapter cable was damaged and it no
longer works. Does anyone know what one I could use as a replacement for the
"Dual deck"?

The information on the AC Adapter is:
Input: 230V~ +-10%/50Hz/1VA
Output: 12V-/20mA
Type: FW3099

Thank you
Vic

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"Vic" wrote in message
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Hi
Would appreciate some advice on the above. The adapter was part of a "Dual
record deck" (CS455). Unfortunately the adapter cable was damaged and it
no
longer works. Does anyone know what one I could use as a replacement for
the
"Dual deck"?

The information on the AC Adapter is:
Input: 230V~ +-10%/50Hz/1VA
Output: 12V-/20mA
Type: FW3099

Thank you
Vic

20 mA does not seem enough to run a disco unit. Are you sure about the
output current.
You need to tell us if the output is AC or DC and if DC if it is regulated
or not.
Describe the symbol immediately after the output rating, is it a solid line
with a dotted line underneath?

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"Vic" wrote in message
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Hi
Would appreciate some advice on the above. The adapter was part of a "Dual
record deck" (CS455). Unfortunately the adapter cable was damaged and it
no
longer works. Does anyone know what one I could use as a replacement for
the
"Dual deck"?

The information on the AC Adapter is:
Input: 230V~ +-10%/50Hz/1VA
Output: 12V-/20mA
Type: FW3099

Thank you
Vic

20 mA does not seem enough to run a disco unit. Are you sure about the
output current.
You need to tell us if the output is AC or DC and if DC if it is regulated
or not.
Describe the symbol immediately after the output rating, is it a solid line
with a dotted line underneath?

Hi Graham
Thanks for answering. For some unknown reason my question is not
showing up in outlook express (newsgroups) so have had to sign up with
Google and do it from there. Hope you are able to view this reply.

20 mA does not seem enough to run a disco unit

Its not a disco unit just an ordinary record deck. Part of a seperates
system. The 20mA is correct.

You need to tell us if the output is AC or DC and if DC if it is
regulated
or not.

No information on the adapter to say if its AC or DC / Regulated or
not. It came with the deck (provided by Dual) I would imagine that its
AC as its use is to be used from a house circuit to cut the voltage
from 230v to 12v. You would probably know better.

Describe the symbol immediately after the output rating, is it a
solid line
with a dotted line underneath?

Yes. To confirm,

Input: 230V~+-10%/50Hz/1VA

(The Plus+ sign before the 10% is placed above the Minus- sign)

Output: 12V-/20mA

(The Minus- sign after the 12V is placed above 3 dots...)

The only other information on the adapter is as follows:

285418
NS/349/12345/K/601315
IP20
FWGB
Made in Germany to BS6301
Indoor use only

It can be taken apart as it is fixed together by two screws. There is
no other information on the inside.

Appreciate your help
Vic

I guess the adapter only supplies a pre-amp.
Just try a standard one, but TAKE CARE FOR CORRECT POLARITY!!!

BR,

Andre


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Hi
Would appreciate some advice on the above. The adapter was part of a "Dual
record deck" (CS455). Unfortunately the adapter cable was damaged and it

no

longer works. Does anyone know what one I could use as a replacement for

the

"Dual deck"?

The information on the AC Adapter is:
Input: 230V~ +-10%/50Hz/1VA
Output: 12V-/20mA
Type: FW3099

Thank you
Vic

20 mA does not seem enough to run a disco unit. Are you sure about the
output current.
You need to tell us if the output is AC or DC and if DC if it is regulated
or not.
Describe the symbol immediately after the output rating, is it a solid line
with a dotted line underneath?


Hi Graham
Thanks for answering. For some unknown reason my question is not
showing up in outlook express (newsgroups) so have had to sign up with
Google and do it from there. Hope you are able to view this reply.


20 mA does not seem enough to run a disco unit


Its not a disco unit just an ordinary record deck. Part of a seperates
system. The 20mA is correct.


You need to tell us if the output is AC or DC and if DC if it is

regulated

or not.


No information on the adapter to say if its AC or DC / Regulated or
not. It came with the deck (provided by Dual) I would imagine that its
AC as its use is to be used from a house circuit to cut the voltage
from 230v to 12v. You would probably know better.


Describe the symbol immediately after the output rating, is it a

solid line
with a dotted line underneath?

Yes. To confirm,

Input: 230V~+-10%/50Hz/1VA

(The Plus+ sign before the 10% is placed above the Minus- sign)

Output: 12V-/20mA

(The Minus- sign after the 12V is placed above 3 dots...)

The only other information on the adapter is as follows:

285418
NS/349/12345/K/601315
IP20
FWGB
Made in Germany to BS6301
Indoor use only

It can be taken apart as it is fixed together by two screws. There is
no other information on the inside.

Appreciate your help
Vic


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"Vic" wrote in message
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| Hi
| Would appreciate some advice on the above. The adapter was part of a "Dual
| record deck" (CS455). Unfortunately the adapter cable was damaged and it
no
| longer works. Does anyone know what one I could use as a replacement for
the
| "Dual deck"?

Assuming you want to replace the adapter any universal one will do. Or if
you can find a 12 V adapter, as long as it supplies 20 mA or more it will
work. Just be sure the polarity is correct.

N

"NSM" wrote in message
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"Vic" wrote in message
. ..
| Hi
| Would appreciate some advice on the above. The adapter was part of a
"Dual
| record deck" (CS455). Unfortunately the adapter cable was damaged and it
no
| longer works. Does anyone know what one I could use as a replacement for
the
| "Dual deck"?

Assuming you want to replace the adapter any universal one will do. Or if
you can find a 12 V adapter, as long as it supplies 20 mA or more it will
work. Just be sure the polarity is correct.

N



Don't go too overboard on the current capacity, a 12v 800mA adapter for
example will likely put out considerably more than 12v at only a 20mA load.

"James Sweet" writes:

Don't go too overboard on the current capacity, a 12v 800mA adapter for
example will likely put out considerably more than 12v at only a 20mA load.

And some of those universal adapters will put out more than 12 V when set
for 3 V with a light load. Check the voltage with a multimeter before
plugging it in to your equipment.

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"Vic" wrote in message
. ..
| Hi
| Would appreciate some advice on the above. The adapter was part of a
"Dual
| record deck" (CS455). Unfortunately the adapter cable was damaged and it
no
| longer works. Does anyone know what one I could use as a replacement for
the
| "Dual deck"?

Assuming you want to replace the adapter any universal one will do. Or if
you can find a 12 V adapter, as long as it supplies 20 mA or more it will
work. Just be sure the polarity is correct.

N

Hi N
Thanks for your reply. It was the "mA" that I was unsure of mainly and the
polarity. Argos do one he
http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...go.x=8&go.y=11
which I assume would be ok.

I was asked earlier if it was DC out which isn't mentioned on the adapter
but according to the specs at this site:
http://www.compassnet.com/concept/tables/CS455.htm
it runs a DC motor so AC to DC adapter needed. Is that correct?

Many thanks again N
Vic

"Vic" wrote in message
...

| Hi N
| Thanks for your reply. It was the "mA" that I was unsure of mainly and the
| polarity. Argos do one he
|
http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...go.x=8&go.y=11
| which I assume would be ok.

I'm stunned at the 1200mA output. That usually means a switch mode supply.
If you can find one that's 200 or 300 mA that'd be better. Also, it's a good
idea to check the voltage if you have a meter. If not, I often set the
voltage at 3V and crank it up one step at a time until the device works OK.
These things do deliver too much voltage at light load.

12V=/20mA is a DC out system all right. However, if the power supply powers
the actual motor, then that current can't be right.

This setup is puzzling. Can you scan the label on the power supply and post
it somewhere?

NM

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"Vic" wrote in message
...

| Hi N
| Thanks for your reply. It was the "mA" that I was unsure of mainly and
the
| polarity. Argos do one he
|
http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...go.x=8&go.y=11
| which I assume would be ok.

I'm stunned at the 1200mA output. That usually means a switch mode supply.
If you can find one that's 200 or 300 mA that'd be better. Also, it's a
good
idea to check the voltage if you have a meter. If not, I often set the
voltage at 3V and crank it up one step at a time until the device works
OK.
These things do deliver too much voltage at light load.

12V=/20mA is a DC out system all right. However, if the power supply
powers
the actual motor, then that current can't be right.

This setup is puzzling. Can you scan the label on the power supply and
post
it somewhere?

NM


Thanks to all for your help so far.
NM
Have uploaded 3 pictures to "alt.binaries.test" newsgroup (sorry about the
size) under the heading "AC Adapter". Hopefully it will be near the top of
the list. It is a busy newsgroup. Have also done a voltage check again on
the above adapter but its completely dead. I only hope it hasn't damaged the
deck as well. Also tried looking for anyone that repairs these adapters but
no luck so far. Whether its viable in terms of cost remains to be seen but
it would probably be a safer option than using a universal adapter. Anyhow
I'll await your recommendations once you've seen the pictures.
Vic

N
Ignore the "AC Adapter AC Adapter.zip" files in "alt binaries.test" as these
are quite large. I have re-uploaded the same pictures (saved as .jpg) but
the size is a great deal smaller. You are now looking for "AC Adapter Pics".
Hopefully they will be up there when you go there. It took 3 hours for the
original ones to get there.
Vic

"Vic" wrote in message
k...
| N
| Ignore the "AC Adapter AC Adapter.zip" files in "alt binaries.test" as
these
| are quite large. I have re-uploaded the same pictures (saved as .jpg) but
| the size is a great deal smaller. You are now looking for "AC Adapter
Pics".
| Hopefully they will be up there when you go there. It took 3 hours for the
| original ones to get there.

Unfortunately the turnover there is so great I doubt there's a good way to
find them. I show 45000+ files currently and a rapid upload of new ones!

N

"Vic" wrote in message
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| N
| Ignore the "AC Adapter AC Adapter.zip" files in "alt binaries.test" as
these
| are quite large. I have re-uploaded the same pictures (saved as .jpg) but
| the size is a great deal smaller. You are now looking for "AC Adapter
Pics".
| Hopefully they will be up there when you go there. It took 3 hours for the
| original ones to get there.

This player doesn't have any AC power cord? It's totally powered by the
adaptor?

Neil

This player doesn't have any AC power cord? It's totally powered by the
adaptor?

Neil

Neil
Yes I know its totally powered by the adapter. I assumed it was an AC
adapter as it converts an AC current to a DC current to power the
deck. What kind of adapter is it in that case? Would using an adapter
that cuts the voltage down to 12v be ok? If so I have one already
which is a regulated AC/DC adapter. Other information is:
Input 220-240v AC 50Hz
Output: 3, 4.5, 6, 7.5, 9, 12v
DC 300mA

Vic

"Vic" wrote in message
om...
This player doesn't have any AC power cord? It's totally powered by the
adaptor?

Neil

Neil
Yes I know its totally powered by the adapter. I assumed it was an AC
adapter as it converts an AC current to a DC current to power the
deck. What kind of adapter is it in that case? Would using an adapter
that cuts the voltage down to 12v be ok? If so I have one already
which is a regulated AC/DC adapter. Other information is:
Input 220-240v AC 50Hz
Output: 3, 4.5, 6, 7.5, 9, 12v
DC 300mA

Vic

The vast majority of "AC" adapters output DC, the name simply means that it
adapts the 120v (or 240v) AC line to whatever the end device requires, this
can be AC or DC but it's still an "AC adapter" either way. You really need
to know for sure what voltage and polarity the device requires to choose the
correct adapter, I still suspect in this case that 20mA is not correct,
could there be a zero or two missing? Perhaps it has a typo?

"James Sweet" wrote in message
news:NkQpd.975$lv6.152@trnddc03...

"Vic" wrote in message
om...
This player doesn't have any AC power cord? It's totally powered by the
adaptor?

Neil

Neil
Yes I know its totally powered by the adapter. I assumed it was an AC
adapter as it converts an AC current to a DC current to power the
deck. What kind of adapter is it in that case? Would using an adapter
that cuts the voltage down to 12v be ok? If so I have one already
which is a regulated AC/DC adapter. Other information is:
Input 220-240v AC 50Hz
Output: 3, 4.5, 6, 7.5, 9, 12v
DC 300mA

Vic

The vast majority of "AC" adapters output DC, the name simply means that
it
adapts the 120v (or 240v) AC line to whatever the end device requires,
this
can be AC or DC but it's still an "AC adapter" either way. You really need
to know for sure what voltage and polarity the device requires to choose
the
correct adapter, I still suspect in this case that 20mA is not correct,
could there be a zero or two missing? Perhaps it has a typo?


Hi James
Thanks for your reply.

You obviously know more than I but the following may help.
I've always said it was an AC adapter for the reasons you've mentioned. In
this case it cuts the voltage from 230v down to 12v. It is powering the
decks DC motor. I also know what polarity it should be. My main concern was
the "20mA" on the adapter. I have a replacement but the "mA" is "300mA" and
I was worried that this might cause some damage. Hope that clears up any
misunderstandings.

Perhaps it has a typo?
Not on my part, although I did wonder whether the "20mA" should actually
read "200mA". You can see a picture of the adapter with specs he
http://www.vicsplace.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
Would be interested in your reply after you've seen it.
Your help is appreciated.
Vic

You obviously know more than I but the following may help.
I've always said it was an AC adapter for the reasons you've mentioned. In
this case it cuts the voltage from 230v down to 12v. It is powering the
decks DC motor. I also know what polarity it should be. My main concern
was
the "20mA" on the adapter. I have a replacement but the "mA" is "300mA"
and
I was worried that this might cause some damage. Hope that clears up any
misunderstandings.

Perhaps it has a typo?
Not on my part, although I did wonder whether the "20mA" should actually
read "200mA". You can see a picture of the adapter with specs he
http://www.vicsplace.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
Would be interested in your reply after you've seen it.
Your help is appreciated.
Vic



Well that does certainly say 12V DC 20mA, though I suspect it might be a
typo on the adapter. I say go for it and try the 300mA adapter, it should
work just fine.

"James Sweet" wrote in message
news:U%4qd.2905$Hk6.1726@trnddc05...

| Well that does certainly say 12V DC 20mA, though I suspect it might be a
| typo on the adapter.

No. Notice the 1 VA. It's a puzzle though.

| I say go for it and try the 300mA adapter, it should
| work just fine.

Yes.

N

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:00:29 GMT, "James Sweet"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

The vast majority of "AC" adapters output DC, the name simply means that it
adapts the 120v (or 240v) AC line to whatever the end device requires, this
can be AC or DC but it's still an "AC adapter" either way. You really need
to know for sure what voltage and polarity the device requires to choose the
correct adapter, I still suspect in this case that 20mA is not correct,
could there be a zero or two missing? Perhaps it has a typo?

The adapter's 230V/1VA rating is consistent with a 20mA/12V output,
but not with 200mA.


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"James Sweet" wrote in message news:U%4qd.2905$Hk6.1726@trnddc05...

You obviously know more than I but the following may help.
I've always said it was an AC adapter for the reasons you've mentioned. In
this case it cuts the voltage from 230v down to 12v. It is powering the
decks DC motor. I also know what polarity it should be. My main concern
was
the "20mA" on the adapter. I have a replacement but the "mA" is "300mA"
and
I was worried that this might cause some damage. Hope that clears up any
misunderstandings.

Perhaps it has a typo?
Not on my part, although I did wonder whether the "20mA" should actually
read "200mA". You can see a picture of the adapter with specs he
http://www.vicsplace.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
Would be interested in your reply after you've seen it.
Your help is appreciated.
Vic



Well that does certainly say 12V DC 20mA, though I suspect it might be a
typo on the adapter. I say go for it and try the 300mA adapter, it should
work just fine.

I looked at the photo, I didn't see any "dc" in the information on the
case. Has the original poster gone to Google and googled on the part
number to see what responses he gets? That works great in a lot of
instances.

H. R.(Bob) Hofmann

"H. R. Bob Hofmann" wrote in message
om...
"James Sweet" wrote in message
news:U%4qd.2905$Hk6.1726@trnddc05...

You obviously know more than I but the following may help.
I've always said it was an AC adapter for the reasons you've
mentioned. In
this case it cuts the voltage from 230v down to 12v. It is powering
the
decks DC motor. I also know what polarity it should be. My main
concern
was
the "20mA" on the adapter. I have a replacement but the "mA" is
"300mA"
and
I was worried that this might cause some damage. Hope that clears up
any
misunderstandings.

Perhaps it has a typo?
Not on my part, although I did wonder whether the "20mA" should
actually
read "200mA". You can see a picture of the adapter with specs he
http://www.vicsplace.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
Would be interested in your reply after you've seen it.
Your help is appreciated.
Vic



Well that does certainly say 12V DC 20mA, though I suspect it might be a
typo on the adapter. I say go for it and try the 300mA adapter, it
should
work just fine.

I looked at the photo, I didn't see any "dc" in the information on the
case. Has the original poster gone to Google and googled on the part
number to see what responses he gets? That works great in a lot of
instances.

It has the symbol for DC, a line with a dotted line under it.

"H. R. Bob Hofmann" wrote in message
I looked at the photo, I didn't see any "dc" in the information on the
case. Has the original poster gone to Google and googled on the part
number to see what responses he gets? That works great in a lot of
instances.

H. R.(Bob) Hofmann

Hi Bob

Has the original poster gone to Google and googled on the part number to
see what responses he gets?

Yes I have. Tried all the numbers on the case. Nothing. I always Google
before asking in Newsgroups.

I didn't see any "dc" in the information on the case.

It runs a "DC Motor" inside the deck.

Still appreciated your input Bob
Regards
Vic

Bob

I looked at the photo, I didn't see any "dc" in the information on the
case.

Just noticed on the back of the deck "12V=DC"

Regards
Vic

Well that does certainly say 12V DC 20mA, though I suspect it might be a
typo on the adapter. I say go for it and try the 300mA adapter, it should
work just fine.


Morning James

Had a look at the back of the deck. Has a nameplate but nothing on it and
nothing written by any of the connections. However, further along the back
from the connections is written "12V=DC".

Anyhow I have tried it this morning with a replacement adapter. The
turntable starts to spin but gradually slows to a stop and requires a gentle
push to get it going. It then works ok. Could possably be the belt on the
way out (thank god these are easily available) or just needs to be used to
get it going freely again. Time will tell. Don't really want to fork out for
another deck for how often I use it.

Thanks for your help James and everybody else that took time to offer
advice. I appreciate it. I would have tried the adapter in the end if nobody
had responded but its better to get the advice of others more knowledgeable
if you can.

Kindest regards to all
Vic

The "minus sign above 3 dots" is a graphical symbol to indicate DC
output. The corresponding symbol for AC would be one cycle of a sine wave.

Since the output is DC, there will be one (or two) rectifier diodes
inside. There MAY also be an electrolytic filter capacitor, and beyond
that, there MAY be a regulator (zener) diode or a regulator IC. Or, the
filter cap and regulator might be inside the disc unit.

Since you say you can open the case, tell us what is in there.

Bill
=======================

Vic wrote:

Would appreciate some advice on the above. The adapter was part of a "Dual
record deck" (CS455). Unfortunately the adapter cable was damaged and it
no
longer works. Does anyone know what one I could use as a replacement for
the
"Dual deck"?

The information on the AC Adapter is:
Input: 230V~ +-10%/50Hz/1VA
Output: 12V-/20mA
Type: FW3099

Output: 12V-/20mA

(The Minus- sign after the 12V is placed above 3 dots...)

It can be taken apart as it is fixed together by two screws. There is
no other information on the inside.