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For period 1970 to 2000, whatever they are, they are not very common in
Europe. Coarser thread , diam for diam, than the usual European mm and BA. Common sizes are about 0.132 in outside diam. , pitch 32 TPI, would they be UNC 6 ? and 0.11 inch od and TPI about 40 , would they be 4 UNC ? -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
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N Cook wrote:
For period 1970 to 2000, whatever they are, they are not very common in Europe. Coarser thread , diam for diam, than the usual European mm and BA. Common sizes are about 0.132 in outside diam. , pitch 32 TPI, would they be UNC 6 ? and 0.11 inch od and TPI about 40 , would they be 4 UNC ? You need to try to find a copy of this handy little book: http://www.sequoiapublishing.com/pdt_pocketref3ed.htm -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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"N Cook" wrote in message ... For period 1970 to 2000, whatever they are, they are not very common in Europe. Coarser thread , diam for diam, than the usual European mm and BA. Common sizes are about 0.132 in outside diam. , pitch 32 TPI, would they be UNC 6 ? and 0.11 inch od and TPI about 40 , would they be 4 UNC ? OK. The most common size is 6-32. 8-32 and 10-32 are also common. This is AWG size 6, 8 and 10 all with 32 tpi threads. Also 10-24 and 12-24 with 24 tpi are used. See http://www.zytrax.com/tech/mech/threads.htm for more. |
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Homer J Simpson wrote in message
news:nJE7i.68874$g63.47216@edtnps82... "N Cook" wrote in message ... For period 1970 to 2000, whatever they are, they are not very common in Europe. Coarser thread , diam for diam, than the usual European mm and BA. Common sizes are about 0.132 in outside diam. , pitch 32 TPI, would they be UNC 6 ? and 0.11 inch od and TPI about 40 , would they be 4 UNC ? OK. The most common size is 6-32. 8-32 and 10-32 are also common. This is AWG size 6, 8 and 10 all with 32 tpi threads. Also 10-24 and 12-24 with 24 tpi are used. See http://www.zytrax.com/tech/mech/threads.htm for more. But are they what we call UNC ? and the 40TPI ones ? only measured with a ruler as my thread gauge, in inches, does not have 40TPI and the mm gauges are not close to any equivalent. |
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"N Cook" wrote in message ... But are they what we call UNC ? and the 40TPI ones ? only measured with a ruler as my thread gauge, in inches, does not have 40TPI and the mm gauges are not close to any equivalent. See the chart on the web page. Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Thread_Standard |
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Homer J Simpson wrote:
"N Cook" wrote in message ... For period 1970 to 2000, whatever they are, they are not very common in Europe. Coarser thread , diam for diam, than the usual European mm and BA. Common sizes are about 0.132 in outside diam. , pitch 32 TPI, would they be UNC 6 ? and 0.11 inch od and TPI about 40 , would they be 4 UNC ? OK. The most common size is 6-32. 8-32 and 10-32 are also common. This is AWG size 6, 8 and 10 all with 32 tpi threads. Also 10-24 and 12-24 with 24 tpi are used. See http://www.zytrax.com/tech/mech/threads.htm for more. Now wait a sec. If you're comparing AWG size with screw sizes as above ? I think you have your wires crossed!.. #6 wire is larger than #10 wire.. 6-32 is smaller than 10-32 screws. just an observation I made once long ago. -- "I'm never wrong, once i thought i was, but was mistaken" Real Programmers Do things like this. http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5 |
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"Bill S." wrote in message ... In article , says... For period 1970 to 2000, whatever they are, they are not very common in Europe. Coarser thread , diam for diam, than the usual European mm and BA. Common sizes are about 0.132 in outside diam. , pitch 32 TPI, would they be UNC 6 ? and 0.11 inch od and TPI about 40 , would they be 4 UNC ? Sounds like 6-32 and 4-40. Years ago, I worked for an American computer equipment company, and used to have exactly the same problem with not being able to equate the screws fitted to the enclosures, to anything available in the UK. I won myself a right royal bollocking from the UK director of engineering, after I had been speaking on the phone to one of the design enginering staff in the U.S. I had phoned him to ask if we could get a stock of the case screws sent over to us. "Sure" he said. "I guess I could arrange that. What size are the ones you want ?" "Oh" said I, "about three sixteenths APF". "APF ?" said he. "What's APF ?" "Why, American **** Fit of course !" Well, I *was* new to the game and only young. I didn't know much about America and the good people who live there, and just assumed that our humour was the same. Didn't do anything like it again though ... Arfa |
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"Jamie" t wrote in message ... See http://www.zytrax.com/tech/mech/threads.htm for more. Now wait a sec. If you're comparing AWG size with screw sizes as above ? I think you have your wires crossed!.. #6 wire is larger than #10 wire.. Which wire guage? 6-32 is smaller than 10-32 screws. Correct. In fact see http://www.tecratools.com/pages/service/taps_dies.html for the 24111 Tri-Tap Tool, which taps 6, 8 or 10 size holes at 32 tpi. |
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"N Cook" wrote: Homer J Simpson wrote in message news:nJE7i.68874$g63.47216@edtnps82... "N Cook" wrote in message ... For period 1970 to 2000, whatever they are, they are not very common in Europe. Coarser thread , diam for diam, than the usual European mm and BA. Common sizes are about 0.132 in outside diam. , pitch 32 TPI, would they be UNC 6 ? and 0.11 inch od and TPI about 40 , would they be 4 UNC ? OK. The most common size is 6-32. 8-32 and 10-32 are also common. This is AWG size 6, 8 and 10 all with 32 tpi threads. Also 10-24 and 12-24 with 24 tpi are used. See http://www.zytrax.com/tech/mech/threads.htm for more. But are they what we call UNC ? and the 40TPI ones ? only measured with a ruler as my thread gauge, in inches, does not have 40TPI and the mm gauges are not close to any equivalent. UNC is a coarse thread. UNF is a fine thread. UNEF is an extra fine thread. 2-56, 4-40, 6-32, 8-32, and 10-32 are common, but many others are prevalent as well, including the "odd" numbers, e.g. 3-48. It's worth noting that 6-32 is a UNC thread while 10-32 is a UNF thread. The "fine" version of a #6 screw is 40 TPI; the "coarse" version of a #10 is 24 TPI. And of course, it goes without saying that the obstinacy of my fellow Americans, clinging absurdly to a ridiculously clumsy system of measurement, is pathetic. |
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"Smitty Two" wrote in message news And of course, it goes without saying that the obstinacy of my fellow Americans, clinging absurdly to a ridiculously clumsy system of measurement, is pathetic. Only nation on earth still not using metric, no? -- .. -- .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. -- |
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Arfa Daily wrote in message
... "Bill S." wrote in message ... In article , says... For period 1970 to 2000, whatever they are, they are not very common in Europe. Coarser thread , diam for diam, than the usual European mm and BA. Common sizes are about 0.132 in outside diam. , pitch 32 TPI, would they be UNC 6 ? and 0.11 inch od and TPI about 40 , would they be 4 UNC ? Sounds like 6-32 and 4-40. Years ago, I worked for an American computer equipment company, and used to have exactly the same problem with not being able to equate the screws fitted to the enclosures, to anything available in the UK. I won myself a right royal bollocking from the UK director of engineering, after I had been speaking on the phone to one of the design enginering staff in the U.S. I had phoned him to ask if we could get a stock of the case screws sent over to us. "Sure" he said. "I guess I could arrange that. What size are the ones you want ?" "Oh" said I, "about three sixteenths APF". "APF ?" said he. "What's APF ?" "Why, American **** Fit of course !" Well, I *was* new to the game and only young. I didn't know much about America and the good people who live there, and just assumed that our humour was the same. Didn't do anything like it again though ... Arfa Perhaps APF screws in aeronautics This flight would have flown over me , not that I would have been aware that the pilot was hanging out of the cockpit. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A20460782 "The subsequent inquiry revealed that the windscreen had been replaced just 24 hours before the flight, and a number of errors in the procedure resulted in the wrong size bolts being used to fit the new window. Although the difference in size was minimal, some 200th of an inch, it was enough to cause the windscreen to blow out when the pressure differential became too great between the cabin and outside atmosphere." At least when I'm hunting for the 1% or less of "American" screws in my pile of salvaged mm and BA screws the coarse pitch makes them stand out in comparison. I still don't know if its safe to go out and get a pack of 6-32 and 4-40 UNC machine screws for American equipment, where someone has been there before and not replaced all. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
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In article yJN7i.70142$g63.58580@edtnps82,
"Homer J Simpson" wrote: "Smitty Two" wrote in message news And of course, it goes without saying that the obstinacy of my fellow Americans, clinging absurdly to a ridiculously clumsy system of measurement, is pathetic. Only nation on earth still not using metric, no? That's what I think, but not sure. Let's see, our cars now come with speedometers that can be switched to indicate km/hr instead of mph, and liquor is sold in liters instead of quarts. That's the sum total of fifteen or twenty years' worth of effort to go metric. |
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"N Cook" wrote: I still don't know if its safe to go out and get a pack of 6-32 and 4-40 UNC machine screws for American equipment, where someone has been there before and not replaced all. That's what sheet metal screws are for. Substitute 'em for anything! Anyway, you can't just get one pack. You've got to have pan head, flat head, oval head, button head, and socket head, at least -- not counting different lengths. Seriously though, Americans don't make consumer electronics anymore. It's all made in China. Metric for sure. |
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Smitty Two wrote: UNC is a coarse thread. UNF is a fine thread. UNEF is an extra fine thread. 2-56, 4-40, 6-32, 8-32, and 10-32 are common, but many others are prevalent as well, including the "odd" numbers, e.g. 3-48. We're fairly used to UNF and UNC in the UK as they were much used on cars before metric came in - but only really in the larger sizes. For small stuff Lucas ;-) stuck to BA. But I still see AF and AC taps and dies around - are the two versions still used? I realise there's not a vast difference - only basically thread profile. -- *'Progress' and 'Change' are not synonyms. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article ,
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , Smitty Two wrote: UNC is a coarse thread. UNF is a fine thread. UNEF is an extra fine thread. 2-56, 4-40, 6-32, 8-32, and 10-32 are common, but many others are prevalent as well, including the "odd" numbers, e.g. 3-48. We're fairly used to UNF and UNC in the UK as they were much used on cars before metric came in - but only really in the larger sizes. For small stuff Lucas ;-) stuck to BA. Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that you used to be in this mess with us. But I still see AF and AC taps and dies around - are the two versions still used? I realise there's not a vast difference - only basically thread profile. Terms with which I'm not familiar... |
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In article ,
Smitty Two wrote: We're fairly used to UNF and UNC in the UK as they were much used on cars before metric came in - but only really in the larger sizes. For small stuff Lucas ;-) stuck to BA. Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that you used to be in this mess with us. But I still see AF and AC taps and dies around - are the two versions still used? I realise there's not a vast difference - only basically thread profile. Terms with which I'm not familiar... American Fine and American Course. -- *One nice thing about egotists: they don't talk about other people. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , Smitty Two wrote: We're fairly used to UNF and UNC in the UK as they were much used on cars before metric came in - but only really in the larger sizes. For small stuff Lucas ;-) stuck to BA. Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that you used to be in this mess with us. But I still see AF and AC taps and dies around - are the two versions still used? I realise there's not a vast difference - only basically thread profile. Terms with which I'm not familiar... American Fine and American Course. If those are predecessors to UNF and UNC, I don't think anyone's using them anymore... The only other thread standard that we have that I know about is the pipe thread, NPT. |
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You are describing a 6-32 screw. Probably NC. (UNC) This is a very common
screw used in the USA. Hope this helps. Jim "N Cook" wrote in message ... For period 1970 to 2000, whatever they are, they are not very common in Europe. Coarser thread , diam for diam, than the usual European mm and BA. Common sizes are about 0.132 in outside diam. , pitch 32 TPI, would they be UNC 6 ? and 0.11 inch od and TPI about 40 , would they be 4 UNC ? -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
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"Bill S." wrote in message ... The bottom line: not only are Americans now fully fluent with metric and decimal measurements Say what? Most Americans of the US variety wouldn't know a metre from a kilogram. |
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"Homer J Simpson" wrote in message news:JYY7i.71289$g63.25753@edtnps82... "Bill S." wrote in message ... The bottom line: not only are Americans now fully fluent with metric and decimal measurements Say what? Most Americans of the US variety wouldn't know a metre from a kilogram. Unfortunately, it's not confined to the U.S. Our kids in the UK are all the same now also. Can't do any math without a calculator. If you ask if they know their eight times table, they will say " 8 - 16 - 24 - 32 " and so on. All well and good, but if you say to them " so what is five times eight ?" they will say " 8 - 16 - 24 .... " only now they will add in counting on their fingers until they get to 5 ... I see pieces in the local newspaper written by new reporters, and have a hard time of making any sense of anything they have written. They all speak with some dreadful accent that they have learnt from watching Australian soaps, where the last syllable of any sentence ends on an up-accent as though they are asking a question. The few that don't do this, do the exact opposite, which makes them sound like profoundly deaf people do when they speak. I went to a Grammar School, and had what I thought was a pretty reasonable education. I came out of there perhaps a little more literate and numerate than some of my friends who went to schools which had a slightly lower academic standard, but I did not consider myself anything other than at the top end of average. I certainly wasn't Oxford or Cambridge material, and I knew many other kids who were whole realms above me. But when my own kids went to school, and we started to get into the homework help thing, and when they got interested in TV quiz shows, and I was able to answer most of the questions without hesitation, I gained a whole new respect from them. My two daughters who are now 20 and 22, still refer to me as a genius. Now I find it really sad that as things should be improving, they are actually declining, and what I considered to be an average intelligence, is now looked upon as genius. I wonder how they would refer to someone who genuinely is that clever ? So it's not just a U.S. thing. Arfa |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:47:21 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
wrote: "Bill S." wrote in message ... The bottom line: not only are Americans now fully fluent with metric and decimal measurements Say what? Most Americans of the US variety wouldn't know a metre from a kilogram. Hey, just yesterday I drove almost 40 kilograms to by a meter of sugar. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... We're fairly used to UNF and UNC in the UK as they were much used on cars before metric came in - but only really in the larger sizes. For small stuff Lucas ;-) stuck to BA. I started off with Whitworth, and later BA. Then we went to metric. -- .. -- .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. -- |
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In article Nk38i.71499$g63.42617@edtnps82,
Homer J Simpson wrote: We're fairly used to UNF and UNC in the UK as they were much used on cars before metric came in - but only really in the larger sizes. For small stuff Lucas ;-) stuck to BA. I started off with Whitworth, and later BA. Then we went to metric. I'd have thought BSW 'equivalents' to the smaller BA sizes rather rare? -- *How much deeper would the oceans be without sponges? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... I started off with Whitworth, and later BA. Then we went to metric. I'd have thought BSW 'equivalents' to the smaller BA sizes rather rare? It depends on the 'class' of work you are doing. -- .. -- .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. -- |
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On Jun 1, 11:53 am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article , Bill S. wrote: In article - media.com, says... And of course, it goes without saying that the obstinacy of my fellow Americans, clinging absurdly to a ridiculously clumsy system of measurement, is pathetic. It should have gone without saying. But let me turn that on its head: While the rest of the world clings pathetically to the idea of forcing a single tyrannical system on everyone, Americans have freely embraced the idea of duality. We have plenty of legacy equipment that still works perfectly well and needs support, and when making new we can choose whatever fits best. There are a few "clingers", but most of us just saw the metric system as additional options to use at will, not as a mandatory replacement. Mechanics have tools for both systems and not only switch freely between them, but take extra advantage from the wider range. A couple examples: a 12mm wrench will probably work on that 1/2" bolt head that's partly rusted away; a 1/4" bolt will probably fit that 6mm hole you just stripped out. The bottom line: not only are Americans now fully fluent with metric and decimal measurements, but we are also still fluent with fractions and SAE, *and also* familiar with conversions and inter-relationships between the systems. We have the best of both worlds and then some. Fully fluent? Most Americans can't read a ruler anymore. Nor can they do third-grade arithmetic, or construct a sentence in the English language. You might be fluent, and I might be, but stupidity and ignorance are rampant. Kids now can't even tell time on an analog clock, and don't know what "clockwise" means. And this is hardly a time to be calling other countries "tyrannical," while our administration is hell bent on absolute world domination. Who invented the metric system? Sheesh, hope I'm disagreeing without being disagreeable. Been under some stress lately. |
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sparky wrote:
Who invented the metric system? Goggle is your friend. Try it. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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For just the odd missing screws/bolts situation.
It looks like the solution to this problem is someone in the UK to tie up with someone in the USA and a packet of assorted small size UNC/UNF nuts and bolts go surface mail one way and a packet of various small size BA mainly / mm nuts and bolts goes back the other. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
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"N Cook" wrote: For just the odd missing screws/bolts situation. It looks like the solution to this problem is someone in the UK to tie up with someone in the USA and a packet of assorted small size UNC/UNF nuts and bolts go surface mail one way and a packet of various small size BA mainly / mm nuts and bolts goes back the other. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ Of course we use mostly American stuff in the U.S., but we can easily get metric when we need it at the hardware store that supplies the machine shop industry. Is the reverse not true? Have you English guys asked around at a professional hardware supplier? |
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On Jun 2, 8:07 pm, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: sparky wrote: Who invented the metric system? Goggle is your friend. Try it. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida I'm guessing that you do not know the answer. |
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"Smitty Two" wrote in message news Of course we use mostly American stuff in the U.S., but we can easily get metric when we need it at the hardware store that supplies the machine shop industry. Is the reverse not true? Have you English guys asked around at a professional hardware supplier? US hardware is quite rare outside N America. -- .. -- .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. -- |
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sparky wrote:
I'm guessing that you do not know the answer. Keep guessing. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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On Jun 4, 8:44 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: sparky wrote: I'm guessing that you do not know the answer. Keep guessing. You just confirmed that you do not know. Would you like a hint? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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sparky wrote:
On Jun 4, 8:44 am, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: sparky wrote: I'm guessing that you do not know the answer. Keep guessing. You just confirmed that you do not know. Would you like a hint? No. I find it VERY sad that morons like you can find and use Google Groups to post ignorant questions on usenet, but are too damn lazy to use the Google search engine. Goodbye, Loser. Real newsreader software has kill files. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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On May 31, 2:07 pm, "N Cook" wrote:
For period 1970 to 2000, whatever they are, they are not very common in Europe. Coarser thread , diam for diam, than the usual European mm and BA. Common sizes are about 0.132 in outside diam. , pitch 32 TPI, would they be UNC 6 ? and 0.11 inch od and TPI about 40 , would they be 4 UNC ? -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list onhttp://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ Yeah, 6-32 and 4-40 two very common thread sizes in US, even today. |
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In message , Michael A. Terrell
writes sparky wrote: On Jun 4, 8:44 am, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: sparky wrote: I'm guessing that you do not know the answer. Keep guessing. You just confirmed that you do not know. Would you like a hint? No. I find it VERY sad that morons like you can find and use Google Groups to post ignorant questions on usenet, but are too damn lazy to use the Google search engine. Goodbye, Loser. Real newsreader software has kill files. We can all 'Google' (although I find Yahoo is usually much more informative). However, if everyone 'Googled', and found the exactly answer they were looking for, these NGs would be extremely boring places. Rather than posting mindless stereotype replies like 'Google is your friend', it would be much more courteous also to add a couple of useful links, if only to show that you have at least some interest in the question being asked. If you have no interest, and can't be bothered to look up a few links to point the questioner in the right direction, why bother responding at all? Ian. -- |
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Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Michael A. Terrell writes sparky wrote: On Jun 4, 8:44 am, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: sparky wrote: I'm guessing that you do not know the answer. Keep guessing. You just confirmed that you do not know. Would you like a hint? No. I find it VERY sad that morons like you can find and use Google Groups to post ignorant questions on usenet, but are too damn lazy to use the Google search engine. Goodbye, Loser. Real newsreader software has kill files. We can all 'Google' (although I find Yahoo is usually much more informative). However, if everyone 'Googled', and found the exactly answer they were looking for, these NGs would be extremely boring places. Rather than posting mindless stereotype replies like 'Google is your friend', it would be much more courteous also to add a couple of useful links, if only to show that you have at least some interest in the question being asked. If you have no interest, and can't be bothered to look up a few links to point the questioner in the right direction, why bother responding at all? Ian. -- Fine. I won't. Goodbye. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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American machine screw types (drifting OT)
On Jun 4, 11:36 am, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: sparky wrote: On Jun 4, 8:44 am, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: sparky wrote: I'm guessing that you do not know the answer. Keep guessing. You just confirmed that you do not know. Would you like a hint? No. I find it VERY sad that morons like you can find and use Google Groups to post ignorant questions on usenet, but are too damn lazy to use the Google search engine. Goodbye, Loser. Real newsreader software has kill files. I knew the answer long before I posted. I wanted people to get message as to where the metric system came from and then some IGNORANT poster said something childish about google. Goodbye,Old Chap -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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