I am looking into getting one of these to try to save several batterys
that are new but were stored to long without a charge such as the ``jump
start`` devices used to start cars and of coarse other used batterys .

I have been searching on the net for one that simply plugs into 120
volts for use inside . Most of them i see hook to 12 volts and stay in a
vehicle . Some 120 volt ones cost 500$ . I am looking for one around
100$ .

What can anyone say about these .

In article ,
Ken G. wrote:
I am looking into getting one of these to try to save several batterys
that are new but were stored to long without a charge such as the ``jump
start`` devices used to start cars and of coarse other used batterys .

I have been searching on the net for one that simply plugs into 120
volts for use inside . Most of them i see hook to 12 volts and stay in a
vehicle . Some 120 volt ones cost 500$ . I am looking for one around
100$ .

What can anyone say about these .

Try trickling about 50 volts at a max of 100mA through the battery for a
few days.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

(Ken G.) wrote in news:14018-45DF1471-474@storefull-
3235.bay.webtv.net:

I am looking into getting one of these to try to save several batterys
that are new but were stored to long without a charge such as the ``jump
start`` devices used to start cars and of coarse other used batterys .

I have been searching on the net for one that simply plugs into 120
volts for use inside . Most of them i see hook to 12 volts and stay in a
vehicle . Some 120 volt ones cost 500$ . I am looking for one around
100$ .

What can anyone say about these .



Vector makes battery charger/maintainers that desulfate batteries.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Ken G. wrote in message
...
I am looking into getting one of these to try to save several batterys
that are new but were stored to long without a charge such as the ``jump
start`` devices used to start cars and of coarse other used batterys .

I have been searching on the net for one that simply plugs into 120
volts for use inside . Most of them i see hook to 12 volts and stay in a
vehicle . Some 120 volt ones cost 500$ . I am looking for one around
100$ .

What can anyone say about these .


So how is it supposed to work?
I like to have a car battery around to blast dendrited ni-cads but they
usually end up sulphated sitting around too much.

--
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electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

In article ,
N Cook wrote:
So how is it supposed to work?
I like to have a car battery around to blast dendrited ni-cads but they
usually end up sulphated sitting around too much.

In theory you can reverse the process by reversing what caused it. So a
slow charge for a very long period *might* work. Trouble is most modern
chargers don't allow a high enough voltage to produce meaningful current
through the battery so you need a bench supply or purpose made job. Or an
ancient totally unregulated type where the off load voltage is high.

FWIW it's only worked once for me where a relatively new battery was
knackered through leaving the car lights on for three weeks. ;-) A jump
start got the car going, but the battery was still totally flat after the
30 mile journey back from the airport. It took a week of high voltage
before it would take any real current and start charging. It lasted for a
few years after that.

--
*A closed mouth gathers no feet.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Ken G. wrote:
I have been searching on the net for one that simply plugs into 120
volts for use inside . Most of them i see hook to 12 volts and stay in a
vehicle . Some 120 volt ones cost 500$ . I am looking for one around
100$ .

http://www.shaka.com/~kalepa/desulfparts2.htm

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they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally.
I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine."
-- Bill Gates, in an interview with Newsweek's Steven Levy

"N Cook" wrote in :

Ken G. wrote in message
...
I am looking into getting one of these to try to save several batterys
that are new but were stored to long without a charge such as the ``jump
start`` devices used to start cars and of coarse other used batterys .

I have been searching on the net for one that simply plugs into 120
volts for use inside . Most of them i see hook to 12 volts and stay in a
vehicle . Some 120 volt ones cost 500$ . I am looking for one around
100$ .

What can anyone say about these .


So how is it supposed to work?
I like to have a car battery around to blast dendrited ni-cads but they
usually end up sulphated sitting around too much.

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/




If you Google "desulfator" you will find circuits that can be built very
inexpensively.You will also find references to how they work.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Warren Weber" wrote in
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Ken.. I have a circuit for this filed. Will look for it and send to
you if
I had your e mail address. Is the one showing on reply OK? Warren


"Ken G." wrote in message
...
I am looking into getting one of these to try to save several
batterys
that are new but were stored to long without a charge such as the
``jump start`` devices used to start cars and of coarse other used
batterys .

I have been searching on the net for one that simply plugs into 120
volts for use inside . Most of them i see hook to 12 volts and stay
in a vehicle . Some 120 volt ones cost 500$ . I am looking for one
around 100$ .

What can anyone say about these .



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that would be YOU,Warren Weber. KNOCK IT OFF,CEASE,DESIST.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

I read that website for a long time and got very confused at all the
different stuff there .
I would like to buy a desulfator already made that i can plug into the
wall .

(Ken G.) writes:

I am looking into getting one of these to try to save several batterys
that are new but were stored to long without a charge such as the ``jump
start`` devices used to start cars and of coarse other used batterys .

I have been searching on the net for one that simply plugs into 120
volts for use inside . Most of them i see hook to 12 volts and stay in a
vehicle . Some 120 volt ones cost 500$ . I am looking for one around
100$ .

What can anyone say about these .

But do these really work?

I can only recall 1 or 2 replies with actual success stories, and at least 1 of
those could have been a situation where the battery was caught just in time
so that there was minimal sulfation.

If I have a battery that's been sitting around discharged for a year, will
anything help?

Comments?

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Sam Goldwasser wrote in message
...
(Ken G.) writes:

I am looking into getting one of these to try to save several batterys
that are new but were stored to long without a charge such as the ``jump
start`` devices used to start cars and of coarse other used batterys .

I have been searching on the net for one that simply plugs into 120
volts for use inside . Most of them i see hook to 12 volts and stay in a
vehicle . Some 120 volt ones cost 500$ . I am looking for one around
100$ .

What can anyone say about these .

But do these really work?

I can only recall 1 or 2 replies with actual success stories, and at least
1 of
those could have been a situation where the battery was caught just in
time
so that there was minimal sulfation.

If I have a battery that's been sitting around discharged for a year, will
anything help?

Comments?

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Exactly the same interest, if there is a viable answer. As far as i was
aware nothing could remove the layer of insulating and insoluble lead
(bi)sulpha(i)t(d)e? film other than mechanically scraping the plates

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

Sam Goldwasser wrote:
(Ken G.) writes:

I am looking into getting one of these to try to save several batterys
that are new but were stored to long without a charge such as the ``jump
start`` devices used to start cars and of coarse other used batterys .

I have been searching on the net for one that simply plugs into 120
volts for use inside . Most of them i see hook to 12 volts and stay in a
vehicle . Some 120 volt ones cost 500$ . I am looking for one around
100$ .

What can anyone say about these .

But do these really work?

I can only recall 1 or 2 replies with actual success stories, and at least 1 of
those could have been a situation where the battery was caught just in time
so that there was minimal sulfation.

If I have a battery that's been sitting around discharged for a year, will
anything help?

Comments?

Hi...

I have no idea whether or not what I experienced was "sulphate" or not;
but for what little it may be worth...

Left a garden tractor with a snow blower attached and an almost new
battery installed sit for two or three years untouched.

When I finally got back to it it was dead, not a click.

Found one of the battery posts (pos, I think) evenly and completely
covered in a flat black "something". Looked like it had been painted.

One of those round battery post wire brushes wouldn't even scratch it.

Using a course file and tons of elbow grease removed it. Then a long
charge at 10 amps or so gave me a few starts - but for practical
purposes the battery was garbage.

IF that black stuff was indeed sulphate, I can't see anything touching
it.

Take care.

Ken

"Sam Goldwasser" wrote in message
...
(Ken G.) writes:

I am looking into getting one of these to try to save several batterys
that are new but were stored to long without a charge such as the ``jump
start`` devices used to start cars and of coarse other used batterys .

I have been searching on the net for one that simply plugs into 120
volts for use inside . Most of them i see hook to 12 volts and stay in a
vehicle . Some 120 volt ones cost 500$ . I am looking for one around
100$ .

What can anyone say about these .

But do these really work?

I can only recall 1 or 2 replies with actual success stories, and at least
1 of
those could have been a situation where the battery was caught just in
time
so that there was minimal sulfation.

If I have a battery that's been sitting around discharged for a year, will
anything help?

Comments?


Back when the only thing I knew about chargers/batteries was polarity had to
be observed I bought a cheap 1 amp trickle charger cause it was all I could
afford. IIRC it put out 18volts under light/no load. I "brought back" a
couple of batteries with it by leaving it on for a couple of days. I got
several more months of use from the batteries in warm weather but they still
didn't have enough capacity for cold starting and had to be replaced then.

I've never really looked at the units in question but my experience says
theirs probably some merit to them. Question is, do you want to put that
kind of money into something that's going to give batteries of suspect
usefulness. I have batteries because I want to use them when needed, not
screw around with them. I think most people would be better off buying
quality batteries and learning to take care of them. Lead acid batteries
self-discharge ~1%/day. I'd never mess with a battery that had gone below
10.5volts.

I have a MC with a 9 year old battery in it. Manually charged it in the off
season the first 5 years and have been using a Battery Tender the last 4.
The BT makes the chore much easier. IMHO it makes a lot more sense to keep a
battery healthy than to resurrect a dead one. YMMV

i once tried using baking soda to "clean" the plates...emptied
electrolyte, used baking soda, rinsed alot, refilled with
electrolyte...it didn't really work...it was a motorcycle battery...i was 15

i now think of the plates as more high tech, only the amount of lead
necessary...not like they are solid lead that the surface can be
cleaned...imho

"Ken Weitzel" wrote in message
news:BCYDh.1123481$5R2.439482@pd7urf3no...

Found one of the battery posts (pos, I think) evenly and completely
covered in a flat black "something". Looked like it had been painted.

Some guys spray paint them to prevent corrosion. Others use grease or felt
washers soaked in grease.


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I know of few people who used a desulfator. It did the job, but only for a
short while. We think the plates inside the batteries took on some permanent
damage.

In the end, when we calculated the loss of time, the cost of the device to
do the desulfacation, and considering the potential unreliability of the
batteries, we came to the conclusion, it is better to buy new batteries,
maintain them, and they should last at least 3 to 5 years.

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JANA
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"Ken G." wrote in message
...
I am looking into getting one of these to try to save several batterys
that are new but were stored to long without a charge such as the ``jump
start`` devices used to start cars and of coarse other used batterys .

I have been searching on the net for one that simply plugs into 120
volts for use inside . Most of them i see hook to 12 volts and stay in a
vehicle . Some 120 volt ones cost 500$ . I am looking for one around
100$ .

What can anyone say about these .