flipper wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:38:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
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?? ?? ?? ???????In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard
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?? ?? ?? ?????In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant
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?? ?? ?? ???My Dad's trucks featured a sign, "We Don't Service Muntz" ;-)
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?? ?? ?? ??Well, they didn't call him "Madman" Muntz for nothing, you know.
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?? ?? ?? ?He serviced them for awhile. Then customers started complaining that
?? ?? ?? ?my Dad did poor service... as soon as the tubes aged, the reception
?? ?? ?? ?degenerated. So he dumped Muntz altogether.
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?? ?? ?? Yeah, I knew exactly what his sign meant and why. Muntz TV sets had
?? ?? ?? barely enough parts to work at all, which is why they were uber cheap.
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?? ?? ?? "There's something about a Muntz." You be there was; it's only one
?? ?? ?? step above junk.
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?? ? I never saw on 'just out of the box'. Like Packard Bell, we didn't
?? ?see them in our area till they WERE junk.
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?? Well, just about everything ends up there sooner or later but Muntz
?? TVs started off closer to the heap.
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? I only saw one of them, but that was enough. It looked like it was
?built from pre W.W. II surplus.

Could be, I suppose, but WWII surplus seems a lot more likely as the
country was darn near swimming in the stuff there for a while.


Let's just say I received better quality surplus components by the
pound from PolyPaks, Meshna and other places in the early '70s.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

flipper wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 01:38:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


flipper wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:11:19 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
? wrote:

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?flipper wrote:
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?? On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:43:31 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
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?? ?? On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:05:45 -0700, Jim Thompson
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?? ?? ???On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:26 -0600, flipper ? wrote:
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?? ?? ????On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson
?? ?? ? wrote:
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?? ?? ?????On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper ? wrote:
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?? ?? ?????snip?
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?? ?? ??????
?? ?? ??????Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application?
?? ?? ??????
?? ?? ???????
?? ?? ???????In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard
?? ?? ???????scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites.
?? ?? ???????
?? ?? ??????? ...Jim Thompson
?? ?? ?????
?? ?? ?????In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant
?? ?? ?????;-)
?? ?? ????
?? ?? ????Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV
?? ?? ????
?? ?? ????
?? ?? ????? ...Jim Thompson
?? ?? ???
?? ?? ???My Dad's trucks featured a sign, "We Don't Service Muntz" ;-)
?? ?? ??
?? ?? ??LOL
?? ?? ??
?? ?? ??Well, they didn't call him "Madman" Muntz for nothing, you know.
?? ?? ??
?? ?? ???
?? ?? ??? ...Jim Thompson
?? ?? ?
?? ?? ?He serviced them for awhile. Then customers started complaining that
?? ?? ?my Dad did poor service... as soon as the tubes aged, the reception
?? ?? ?degenerated. So he dumped Muntz altogether.
?? ??
?? ?? Yeah, I knew exactly what his sign meant and why. Muntz TV sets had
?? ?? barely enough parts to work at all, which is why they were uber cheap.
?? ??
?? ?? "There's something about a Muntz." You be there was; it's only one
?? ?? step above junk.
?? ?
?? ?
?? ? Above?
??
?? Sure. Out of the box they usually worked for 'some' period of time.
?? That's a bit better than junk.
?
?
? I never saw on 'just out of the box'. Like Packard Bell, we didn't
?see them in our area till they WERE junk.

Well, just about everything ends up there sooner or later but Muntz
TVs started off closer to the heap.


I only saw one of them, but that was enough. It looked like it was
built from pre W.W. II surplus.

Could be, I suppose, but WWII surplus seems a lot more likely as the
country was darn near swimming in the stuff there for a while.

There sure was a lot of it. An uncle of mine built a logging equipment
business by converting WWII surplus half tracks into cherry pickers and
log haulers.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058

email: hobbs (atsign) electrooptical (period) net
http://electrooptical.net

flipper wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:37:19 -0500, Phil Hobbs
flipper wrote:
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Could be, I suppose, but WWII surplus seems a lot more likely as the
country was darn near swimming in the stuff there for a while.

There sure was a lot of it. An uncle of mine built a logging equipment
business by converting WWII surplus half tracks into cherry pickers and
log haulers.

Sounds like a darn good idea.

Remember all those ads claiming you could get a surplus 'jeep in
crate' for 50 bucks?

I sure do. Have you ever heard of anyone who actually got one?

I also remember seeing searchlights[1] for ridiculously cheap. But has
anyone ever heard of anybody actually getting one?

[1] carbon arc, with about a 6' diameter parabolic reflector

Thanks!
Rich

flipper wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:37:19 -0500, Phil Hobbs
wrote:

flipper wrote:
snip


Could be, I suppose, but WWII surplus seems a lot more likely as the
country was darn near swimming in the stuff there for a while.

There sure was a lot of it. An uncle of mine built a logging equipment
business by converting WWII surplus half tracks into cherry pickers and
log haulers.

Sounds like a darn good idea.

Remember all those ads claiming you could get a surplus 'jeep in
crate' for 50 bucks?


They just didn't tell you that you had to buy by the thousands, and
pay shipping from wherever they were stored in some foreign country.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:02:55 -0500, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


flipper wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:37:19 -0500, Phil Hobbs
wrote:

flipper wrote:
snip


Could be, I suppose, but WWII surplus seems a lot more likely as the
country was darn near swimming in the stuff there for a while.

There sure was a lot of it. An uncle of mine built a logging equipment
business by converting WWII surplus half tracks into cherry pickers and
log haulers.

Sounds like a darn good idea.

Remember all those ads claiming you could get a surplus 'jeep in
crate' for 50 bucks?


They just didn't tell you that you had to buy by the thousands, and
pay shipping from wherever they were stored in some foreign country.

Only dropped from a helicopter once.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:02:55 -0500, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


flipper wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:37:19 -0500, Phil Hobbs
wrote:

flipper wrote:
snip


Could be, I suppose, but WWII surplus seems a lot more likely as the
country was darn near swimming in the stuff there for a while.

There sure was a lot of it. An uncle of mine built a logging equipment
business by converting WWII surplus half tracks into cherry pickers and
log haulers.

Sounds like a darn good idea.

Remember all those ads claiming you could get a surplus 'jeep in
crate' for 50 bucks?


They just didn't tell you that you had to buy by the thousands, and
pay shipping from wherever they were stored in some foreign country.

Only dropped from a helicopter once.


Over a M*A*S*H unit, then partially eaten by a cross dressing company
clerk. ;-)


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

flipper wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:02:55 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


flipper wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:37:19 -0500, Phil Hobbs
wrote:

flipper wrote:
snip


Could be, I suppose, but WWII surplus seems a lot more likely as the
country was darn near swimming in the stuff there for a while.

There sure was a lot of it. An uncle of mine built a logging equipment
business by converting WWII surplus half tracks into cherry pickers and
log haulers.

Sounds like a darn good idea.

Remember all those ads claiming you could get a surplus 'jeep in
crate' for 50 bucks?


They just didn't tell you that you had to buy by the thousands, and
pay shipping from wherever they were stored in some foreign country.

That might actually have been a better deal than what it really was.


Some people made a killing by buying the surplus right off the
returning warships, then sending it by train to their warehouses where
their workers cleaned up or stripped the equipment. Other equipment was
sold wherever it sat, and had to be shipped at the buyer's expense.
Some of the early surplus dealers made millions every year buying W.W.II
surplus. Others bought surplus parts and either sold kits or used it to
lower manufacturing costs for their products.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

Jim Thompson
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:44:25 -0600, flipper wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:20:55 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote:

RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE

Does such a thing exist?

I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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I haven't read through the thread but, if no one has else suggested
it, why not nibble out the opening for a snap-in jack in a
square/rectangular piece of 0.062" aluminum, FR-4, etc., then drill 4
mounting holes at its corners, a clearance hole in the ABS box for
the rear of the jack, mounting holes for the panel, and put the thing
together with machine screws?

---
JF

I think he found a solution with this little fellah

http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2690

Yup. Already ordered.

Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-(

I found an ancient piezo "ringer" schematic, converted it to 74HCxxx
and added gating. Simulates per the typical tone frequencies, so that
looks good....

http://analog-innovations.com/SED/RingOscNew_Wiring.pdf

And I'm close on the processing logic to answer/hang-up on 800-number
callers.

Back in the good old days when I still had ISDN I made an anynomous
caller rejector out of an ISDN board and an old VCD player to play a
recorded message from a CD recordable.

If I have ISDN again, I'll put together a 'press 1 for...' menu with
Asterisk.

--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
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flipper wrote:
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:02:55 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
flipper wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:37:19 -0500, Phil Hobbs
flipper wrote:
snip

Could be, I suppose, but WWII surplus seems a lot more likely as the
country was darn near swimming in the stuff there for a while.

There sure was a lot of it. An uncle of mine built a logging equipment
business by converting WWII surplus half tracks into cherry pickers and
log haulers.

Sounds like a darn good idea.

Remember all those ads claiming you could get a surplus 'jeep in
crate' for 50 bucks?

They just didn't tell you that you had to buy by the thousands, and
pay shipping from wherever they were stored in some foreign country.

That might actually have been a better deal than what it really was.

If it had come with all the tech orders, it could probably been kept running
to this very day. Military tech docs were mind-bogglingly good.

Not too sure about parts these days, but after all, they were made in US
car plants; and if you still had one today, you could probably afford to
have parts _made_. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich