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RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ... RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I don't know if one exists specifically for RJ-11, but there are plenty meant for Ethernet (RJ-45), and you can plug RJ-11 plugs into RJ-45 jacks and all. See, e.g., http://www.mouser.com/catalog/catalogUSD/643/1328.pdf , www.mouser.com/catalog/629/984.pdf ,etc. ---Joel |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
"Joel Koltner" wrote in message ... "Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I don't know if one exists specifically for RJ-11, but there are plenty meant for Ethernet (RJ-45), and you can plug RJ-11 plugs into RJ-45 jacks and all. See, e.g., http://www.mouser.com/catalog/catalogUSD/643/1328.pdf , www.mouser.com/catalog/629/984.pdf ,etc. ---Joel MMMMM $173 each . bargain. |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
Jim Thompson
wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) Buy a punch or use a milling machine. If the material is soft you can use a drill-press and a cross vice as well. -- Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.) -------------------------------------------------------------- |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:30:22 -0600, flipper wrote:
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? Mouser has one but it isn't cheap at 27 bucks. http://www.tycoelectronics.com/catal...en/1-1546415-1 What kind of 'panel'? May not be elegant but use an RJ11 wall plate for like a buck or two. I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ...Jim Thompson ABS Project Box. Can wall plates be had in black? ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed |
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:45:27 GMT, (Nico Coesel)
wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) Buy a punch or use a milling machine. If the material is soft you can use a drill-press and a cross vice as well. 1/8" ABS No access to a milling machine. Can you point me to a punch? ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed |
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I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-)
Buy a punch or use a milling machine. If the material is soft you can use a drill-press and a cross vice as well. 1/8" ABS No access to a milling machine. Can you point me to a punch? Expensive,very expensive......but good if there's lots to do. Use a dremel....finish off with a file. |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
"Jim Thompson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:45:27 GMT, (Nico Coesel) wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) Buy a punch or use a milling machine. If the material is soft you can use a drill-press and a cross vice as well. 1/8" ABS No access to a milling machine. Can you point me to a punch? ...Jim Thompson -- If you have a drill press, you can use a Broache to make a square hole. Might be cheaper than a Punch. http://www.mcmaster.com/#square-broaches/=b2tj9o But for this I would use a nibbler, like the one RadioShack sells (or used to) Cheers |
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:58:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:30:22 -0600, flipper wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? Mouser has one but it isn't cheap at 27 bucks. http://www.tycoelectronics.com/catal...en/1-1546415-1 What kind of 'panel'? May not be elegant but use an RJ11 wall plate for like a buck or two. I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ...Jim Thompson ABS Project Box. Can wall plates be had in black? ...Jim Thompson carve the hole with a dull jack-knife and a nailfile. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) Do they have a Home Depot or Lowe's or Builders' Emporium or equivalent in Arizona? They've got RJ11's up the ying-yang. Good Luck! Rich |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
Peter Bennett wrote:
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:58:34 -0700, Jim Thompson On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:30:22 -0600, flipper wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? Mouser has one but it isn't cheap at 27 bucks. http://www.tycoelectronics.com/catal...en/1-1546415-1 What kind of 'panel'? May not be elegant but use an RJ11 wall plate for like a buck or two. I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ABS Project Box. Can wall plates be had in black? carve the hole with a dull jack-knife and a nailfile. Or a hot X-acto knife, or even an X-acto saw. Good Luck! Rich |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
TTman wrote:
"Joel Koltner" wrote in message "Jim Thompson" wrote RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I don't know if one exists specifically for RJ-11, but there are plenty meant for Ethernet (RJ-45), and you can plug RJ-11 plugs into RJ-45 jacks and all. See, e.g., http://www.mouser.com/catalog/catalogUSD/643/1328.pdf , www.mouser.com/catalog/629/984.pdf ,etc. MMMMM $173 each . bargain. Not to worry - JT's always crowing about how loaded he is. Cheers! Rich |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) Not a round hole, but a panel mount that would cover little mistakes: http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2679 -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:22:41 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) Not a round hole, but a panel mount that would cover little mistakes: http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2679 Thanks, Michael! Perfect! Now no one will know of my "little mistakes". ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:22:41 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) Not a round hole, but a panel mount that would cover little mistakes: http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2679 In black... http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2690 ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) Not a round hole, but a panel mount that would cover little mistakes: http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2679 There is a version with a punch down block too. ( as well as usb versions) Cheers |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ...Jim Thompson --- I haven't read through the thread but, if no one has else suggested it, why not nibble out the opening for a snap-in jack in a square/rectangular piece of 0.062" aluminum, FR-4, etc., then drill 4 mounting holes at its corners, a clearance hole in the ABS box for the rear of the jack, mounting holes for the panel, and put the thing together with machine screws? --- JF |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:44:25 -0600, flipper wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:20:55 -0600, John Fields wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ...Jim Thompson --- I haven't read through the thread but, if no one has else suggested it, why not nibble out the opening for a snap-in jack in a square/rectangular piece of 0.062" aluminum, FR-4, etc., then drill 4 mounting holes at its corners, a clearance hole in the ABS box for the rear of the jack, mounting holes for the panel, and put the thing together with machine screws? --- JF I think he found a solution with this little fellah http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2690 Yup. Already ordered. Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( I found an ancient piezo "ringer" schematic, converted it to 74HCxxx and added gating. Simulates per the typical tone frequencies, so that looks good.... http://analog-innovations.com/SED/RingOscNew_Wiring.pdf And I'm close on the processing logic to answer/hang-up on 800-number callers. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:44:25 -0600, flipper wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:20:55 -0600, John Fields wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ...Jim Thompson --- I haven't read through the thread but, if no one has else suggested it, why not nibble out the opening for a snap-in jack in a square/rectangular piece of 0.062" aluminum, FR-4, etc., then drill 4 mounting holes at its corners, a clearance hole in the ABS box for the rear of the jack, mounting holes for the panel, and put the thing together with machine screws? --- JF I think he found a solution with this little fellah http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2690 Yup. Already ordered. Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( I found an ancient piezo "ringer" schematic, converted it to 74HCxxx and added gating. Simulates per the typical tone frequencies, so that looks good.... http://analog-innovations.com/SED/RingOscNew_Wiring.pdf And I'm close on the processing logic to answer/hang-up on 800-number callers. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:04:07 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote: Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( --- I've got lots of 0.062 thick FR4 perfboard with 0.025 holes in it on a 0.1" grid. If you can use it tell me how much you need and I'll send you some. --- JF |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:04:07 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote: Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( --- I've got lots of 0.062 thick FR4 perfboard with 0.025 holes in it on a 0.1" grid. If you can use it tell me how much you need and I'll send you some. --- JF |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:52:27 -0600, John Fields
wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:04:07 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( --- I've got lots of 0.062 thick FR4 perfboard with 0.025 holes in it on a 0.1" grid. If you can use it tell me how much you need and I'll send you some. --- JF I need the equivalent of six boards, each 7mm x 12mm. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:06:45 -0600, flipper wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:04:07 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:44:25 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:20:55 -0600, John Fields wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ...Jim Thompson --- I haven't read through the thread but, if no one has else suggested it, why not nibble out the opening for a snap-in jack in a square/rectangular piece of 0.062" aluminum, FR-4, etc., then drill 4 mounting holes at its corners, a clearance hole in the ABS box for the rear of the jack, mounting holes for the panel, and put the thing together with machine screws? --- JF I think he found a solution with this little fellah http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2690 Yup. Already ordered. Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( .28 inch by .47 inch ? I found an ancient piezo "ringer" schematic, converted it to 74HCxxx and added gating. Simulates per the typical tone frequencies, so that looks good.... http://analog-innovations.com/SED/RingOscNew_Wiring.pdf And I'm close on the processing logic to answer/hang-up on 800-number callers. ...Jim Thompson Aaaargh! John Fields, make that 7cm x 12cm :-( ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:26:20 -0600, flipper wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:13:57 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:06:45 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:04:07 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:44:25 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:20:55 -0600, John Fields wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ...Jim Thompson --- I haven't read through the thread but, if no one has else suggested it, why not nibble out the opening for a snap-in jack in a square/rectangular piece of 0.062" aluminum, FR-4, etc., then drill 4 mounting holes at its corners, a clearance hole in the ABS box for the rear of the jack, mounting holes for the panel, and put the thing together with machine screws? --- JF I think he found a solution with this little fellah http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2690 Yup. Already ordered. Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( .28 inch by .47 inch ? I found an ancient piezo "ringer" schematic, converted it to 74HCxxx and added gating. Simulates per the typical tone frequencies, so that looks good.... http://analog-innovations.com/SED/RingOscNew_Wiring.pdf And I'm close on the processing logic to answer/hang-up on 800-number callers. ...Jim Thompson Aaaargh! John Fields, make that 7cm x 12cm :-( For when you run low on freebies http://www.radioshack.com/search/ind...rfboard&s r=1 ...Jim Thompson Been there already. It's phenolic :-( In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed |
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flipper wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:04:07 -0700, Jim Thompson Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( .28 inch by .47 inch ? 9/32 x 1/2? ;-) Cheers! Rich |
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flipper wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:04:07 -0700, Jim Thompson Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( .28 inch by .47 inch ? 9/32 x 1/2? ;-) Cheers! Rich |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:52:28 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:26:20 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:13:57 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:06:45 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:04:07 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:44:25 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:20:55 -0600, John Fields wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ...Jim Thompson --- I haven't read through the thread but, if no one has else suggested it, why not nibble out the opening for a snap-in jack in a square/rectangular piece of 0.062" aluminum, FR-4, etc., then drill 4 mounting holes at its corners, a clearance hole in the ABS box for the rear of the jack, mounting holes for the panel, and put the thing together with machine screws? --- JF I think he found a solution with this little fellah http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2690 Yup. Already ordered. Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( .28 inch by .47 inch ? I found an ancient piezo "ringer" schematic, converted it to 74HCxxx and added gating. Simulates per the typical tone frequencies, so that looks good.... http://analog-innovations.com/SED/RingOscNew_Wiring.pdf And I'm close on the processing logic to answer/hang-up on 800-number callers. ...Jim Thompson Aaaargh! John Fields, make that 7cm x 12cm :-( For when you run low on freebies http://www.radioshack.com/search/ind...rfboard&s r=1 ...Jim Thompson Been there already. It's phenolic :-( Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application? In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites. ...Jim Thompson In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed |
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Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:52:28 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:26:20 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:13:57 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:06:45 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:04:07 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:44:25 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:20:55 -0600, John Fields wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ...Jim Thompson --- I haven't read through the thread but, if no one has else suggested it, why not nibble out the opening for a snap-in jack in a square/rectangular piece of 0.062" aluminum, FR-4, etc., then drill 4 mounting holes at its corners, a clearance hole in the ABS box for the rear of the jack, mounting holes for the panel, and put the thing together with machine screws? --- JF I think he found a solution with this little fellah http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2690 Yup. Already ordered. Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( .28 inch by .47 inch ? I found an ancient piezo "ringer" schematic, converted it to 74HCxxx and added gating. Simulates per the typical tone frequencies, so that looks good.... http://analog-innovations.com/SED/RingOscNew_Wiring.pdf And I'm close on the processing logic to answer/hang-up on 800-number callers. ...Jim Thompson Aaaargh! John Fields, make that 7cm x 12cm :-( For when you run low on freebies http://www.radioshack.com/search/ind...rfboard&s r=1 ...Jim Thompson Been there already. It's phenolic :-( Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application? In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites. ...Jim Thompson In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant I had one phenolic board with a 1/2" hole burnt through it, in the early '70s. The OEM couldn't supply a replacement board, so I filled the hole with Bondo, and replaced the missing traces with scraps of copper foil that I peeled off junk mainframe computer boards. :) -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:52:28 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:26:20 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:13:57 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:06:45 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:04:07 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:44:25 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:20:55 -0600, John Fields wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ...Jim Thompson --- I haven't read through the thread but, if no one has else suggested it, why not nibble out the opening for a snap-in jack in a square/rectangular piece of 0.062" aluminum, FR-4, etc., then drill 4 mounting holes at its corners, a clearance hole in the ABS box for the rear of the jack, mounting holes for the panel, and put the thing together with machine screws? --- JF I think he found a solution with this little fellah http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2690 Yup. Already ordered. Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( .28 inch by .47 inch ? I found an ancient piezo "ringer" schematic, converted it to 74HCxxx and added gating. Simulates per the typical tone frequencies, so that looks good.... http://analog-innovations.com/SED/RingOscNew_Wiring.pdf And I'm close on the processing logic to answer/hang-up on 800-number callers. ...Jim Thompson Aaaargh! John Fields, make that 7cm x 12cm :-( For when you run low on freebies http://www.radioshack.com/search/ind...rfboard&s r=1 ...Jim Thompson Been there already. It's phenolic :-( Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application? In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites. ...Jim Thompson In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant I had one phenolic board with a 1/2" hole burnt through it, in the early '70s. The OEM couldn't supply a replacement board, so I filled the hole with Bondo, and replaced the missing traces with scraps of copper foil that I peeled off junk mainframe computer boards. :) -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:00:11 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:52:28 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:26:20 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:13:57 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:06:45 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:04:07 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:44:25 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:20:55 -0600, John Fields wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ...Jim Thompson --- I haven't read through the thread but, if no one has else suggested it, why not nibble out the opening for a snap-in jack in a square/rectangular piece of 0.062" aluminum, FR-4, etc., then drill 4 mounting holes at its corners, a clearance hole in the ABS box for the rear of the jack, mounting holes for the panel, and put the thing together with machine screws? --- JF I think he found a solution with this little fellah http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2690 Yup. Already ordered. Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( .28 inch by .47 inch ? I found an ancient piezo "ringer" schematic, converted it to 74HCxxx and added gating. Simulates per the typical tone frequencies, so that looks good.... http://analog-innovations.com/SED/RingOscNew_Wiring.pdf And I'm close on the processing logic to answer/hang-up on 800-number callers. ...Jim Thompson Aaaargh! John Fields, make that 7cm x 12cm :-( For when you run low on freebies http://www.radioshack.com/search/ind...rfboard&s r=1 ...Jim Thompson Been there already. It's phenolic :-( Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application? In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites. ...Jim Thompson In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant I had one phenolic board with a 1/2" hole burnt through it, in the early '70s. The OEM couldn't supply a replacement board, so I filled the hole with Bondo, and replaced the missing traces with scraps of copper foil that I peeled off junk mainframe computer boards. :) Sno-o-o-ort! That's so funny (and real) I'm laughing so hard I crying ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:00:11 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:52:28 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:26:20 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:13:57 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:06:45 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:04:07 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:44:25 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:20:55 -0600, John Fields wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ...Jim Thompson --- I haven't read through the thread but, if no one has else suggested it, why not nibble out the opening for a snap-in jack in a square/rectangular piece of 0.062" aluminum, FR-4, etc., then drill 4 mounting holes at its corners, a clearance hole in the ABS box for the rear of the jack, mounting holes for the panel, and put the thing together with machine screws? --- JF I think he found a solution with this little fellah http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2690 Yup. Already ordered. Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( .28 inch by .47 inch ? I found an ancient piezo "ringer" schematic, converted it to 74HCxxx and added gating. Simulates per the typical tone frequencies, so that looks good.... http://analog-innovations.com/SED/RingOscNew_Wiring.pdf And I'm close on the processing logic to answer/hang-up on 800-number callers. ...Jim Thompson Aaaargh! John Fields, make that 7cm x 12cm :-( For when you run low on freebies http://www.radioshack.com/search/ind...rfboard&s r=1 ...Jim Thompson Been there already. It's phenolic :-( Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application? In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites. ...Jim Thompson In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant I had one phenolic board with a 1/2" hole burnt through it, in the early '70s. The OEM couldn't supply a replacement board, so I filled the hole with Bondo, and replaced the missing traces with scraps of copper foil that I peeled off junk mainframe computer boards. :) Sno-o-o-ort! That's so funny (and real) I'm laughing so hard I crying ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
Jim Thompson wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant I had one phenolic board with a 1/2" hole burnt through it, in the early '70s. The OEM couldn't supply a replacement board, so I filled the hole with Bondo, and replaced the missing traces with scraps of copper foil that I peeled off junk mainframe computer boards. :) Sno-o-o-ort! That's so funny (and real) I'm laughing so hard I crying ;-) It worked, and the customer was happy with his early Japanese all Germanium stereo. I always wondered if I should have sent it out to Earl Schibe for a new paint job? ;-) -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:52:28 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: For when you run low on freebies http://www.radioshack.com/search/ind...rfboard&s r=1 ...Jim Thompson Been there already. It's phenolic :-( Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application? --- In any application, Phenolic is brittle and can easily be broken, especially when drilling mounting holes close to corners. FR4, (G10) OTOH, is pretty much indestructible. --- JF |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
John Fields wrote:
--- In any application, Phenolic is brittle and can easily be broken, especially when drilling mounting holes close to corners. Nah. You just have to be smarter than the phenolic. ;-) Cheers! Rich |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
Jim Thompson Inscribed thus:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:00:11 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:52:28 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:26:20 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:13:57 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 16:06:45 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:04:07 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:44:25 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:20:55 -0600, John Fields wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:11:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE Does such a thing exist? I'm not much good at cutting square holes in panels ;-) ...Jim Thompson --- I haven't read through the thread but, if no one has else suggested it, why not nibble out the opening for a snap-in jack in a square/rectangular piece of 0.062" aluminum, FR-4, etc., then drill 4 mounting holes at its corners, a clearance hole in the ABS box for the rear of the jack, mounting holes for the panel, and put the thing together with machine screws? --- JF I think he found a solution with this little fellah http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=2690 Yup. Already ordered. Now if I could only find some 7mm x 12mm proto board :-( .28 inch by .47 inch ? I found an ancient piezo "ringer" schematic, converted it to 74HCxxx and added gating. Simulates per the typical tone frequencies, so that looks good.... http://analog-innovations.com/SED/RingOscNew_Wiring.pdf And I'm close on the processing logic to answer/hang-up on 800-number callers. ...Jim Thompson Aaaargh! John Fields, make that 7cm x 12cm :-( For when you run low on freebies http://www.radioshack.com/search/ind...rfboard&s r=1 ...Jim Thompson Been there already. It's phenolic :-( Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application? In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites. ...Jim Thompson In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant I had one phenolic board with a 1/2" hole burnt through it, in the early '70s. The OEM couldn't supply a replacement board, so I filled the hole with Bondo, and replaced the missing traces with scraps of copper foil that I peeled off junk mainframe computer boards. :) Sno-o-o-ort! That's so funny (and real) I'm laughing so hard I crying ;-) ...Jim Thompson You laugh all you want ! I've done similar where the scan coil connector has burnt holes in the PCB because of bad solder joints. Cut away the burnt area and used Araldite to fill the hole sandwiched between strips of wax paper. Replace the connector and use copper wire the re-establish the connections. -- Best Regards: Baron. |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:26 -0600, flipper wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper wrote: snip Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application? In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites. ...Jim Thompson In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant ;-) Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV ;) ...Jim Thompson My Dad's trucks featured a sign, "We Don't Service Muntz" ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:34:31 -0600, flipper wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:23:27 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:26 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper wrote: snip Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application? In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites. ...Jim Thompson In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant ;-) Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV ;) ...Jim Thompson My Dad's trucks featured a sign, "We Don't Service Muntz" ;-) LOL Well, they didn't call him "Madman" Muntz for nothing, you know. ...Jim Thompson He serviced them for awhile. Then customers started complaining that my Dad did poor service... as soon as the tubes aged, the reception degenerated. So he dumped Muntz altogether. Not that it mattered. Though he was located in Huntington, WV, he became the largest RCA dealer on the east coast for many years. He even played golf with David Sarnoff on a regular basis. (Met him on the Greenbrier golf course at White Sulphur Springs, WV, and they hit it right off. My father was consistently a par player (*)... even into his 80's :-) (*) With five holes-in-one to his credit... Spring Valley and Guyandotte Country Clubs. Died in 2008 at age 90. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Remember: Once you go over the hill, you pick up speed |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
flipper wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:05:45 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:34:31 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:23:27 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:26 -0600, flipper wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper wrote: snip Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application? In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites. ...Jim Thompson In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant ;-) Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV ;) ...Jim Thompson My Dad's trucks featured a sign, "We Don't Service Muntz" ;-) LOL Well, they didn't call him "Madman" Muntz for nothing, you know. ...Jim Thompson He serviced them for awhile. Then customers started complaining that my Dad did poor service... as soon as the tubes aged, the reception degenerated. So he dumped Muntz altogether. Yeah, I knew exactly what his sign meant and why. Muntz TV sets had barely enough parts to work at all, which is why they were uber cheap. "There's something about a Muntz." You be there was; it's only one step above junk. Above? -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
flipper wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:43:31 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" ? wrote: ? ?flipper wrote: ?? ?? On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:05:45 -0700, Jim Thompson ?? ? wrote: ?? ?? ?On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:34:31 -0600, flipper ? wrote: ?? ? ?? ??On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:23:27 -0700, Jim Thompson ?? ? wrote: ?? ?? ?? ???On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:26 -0600, flipper ? wrote: ?? ??? ?? ????On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson ?? ? wrote: ?? ???? ?? ?????On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper ? wrote: ?? ????? ?? ?????snip? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ?? ??????Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application? ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ???????In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard ?? ???????scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites. ?? ??????? ?? ??????? ...Jim Thompson ?? ????? ?? ?????In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant ?? ?????;-) ?? ???? ?? ????Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV ;) ?? ???? ?? ???? ?? ????? ...Jim Thompson ?? ??? ?? ???My Dad's trucks featured a sign, "We Don't Service Muntz" ;-) ?? ?? ?? ??LOL ?? ?? ?? ??Well, they didn't call him "Madman" Muntz for nothing, you know. ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??? ...Jim Thompson ?? ? ?? ?He serviced them for awhile. Then customers started complaining that ?? ?my Dad did poor service... as soon as the tubes aged, the reception ?? ?degenerated. So he dumped Muntz altogether. ?? ?? Yeah, I knew exactly what his sign meant and why. Muntz TV sets had ?? barely enough parts to work at all, which is why they were uber cheap. ?? ?? "There's something about a Muntz." You be there was; it's only one ?? step above junk. ? ? ? Above? Sure. Out of the box they usually worked for 'some' period of time. That's a bit better than junk. I never saw on 'just out of the box'. Like Packard Bell, we didn't see them in our area till they WERE junk. -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
RJ11 Jack, Panel-mount, ROUND HOLE
flipper wrote: On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 00:11:19 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" ? wrote: ? ?flipper wrote: ?? ?? On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:43:31 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" ?? ? wrote: ?? ?? ? ?? ?flipper wrote: ?? ?? ?? ?? On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:05:45 -0700, Jim Thompson ?? ?? ? wrote: ?? ?? ?? ?? ?On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:34:31 -0600, flipper ? wrote: ?? ?? ? ?? ?? ??On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:23:27 -0700, Jim Thompson ?? ?? ? wrote: ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:16:26 -0600, flipper ? wrote: ?? ?? ??? ?? ?? ????On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:40:29 -0700, Jim Thompson ?? ?? ? wrote: ?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ?????On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:07 -0600, flipper ? wrote: ?? ?? ????? ?? ?? ?????snip? ?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ?? ??????Yes. What's wrong with phenolic in this application? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ???????In the future I may just layout a smaller version of my IC breadboard ?? ?? ???????scheme and get it made on one of the PCB websites. ?? ?? ??????? ?? ?? ??????? ...Jim Thompson ?? ?? ????? ?? ?? ?????In my Dad's TV shop I saw so many phenolic failures I'm just resistant ?? ?? ?????;-) ?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ????Good point, if you were making a 1960's TV ;) ?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ????? ...Jim Thompson ?? ?? ??? ?? ?? ???My Dad's trucks featured a sign, "We Don't Service Muntz" ;-) ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??LOL ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??Well, they didn't call him "Madman" Muntz for nothing, you know. ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?? ??? ...Jim Thompson ?? ?? ? ?? ?? ?He serviced them for awhile. Then customers started complaining that ?? ?? ?my Dad did poor service... as soon as the tubes aged, the reception ?? ?? ?degenerated. So he dumped Muntz altogether. ?? ?? ?? ?? Yeah, I knew exactly what his sign meant and why. Muntz TV sets had ?? ?? barely enough parts to work at all, which is why they were uber cheap. ?? ?? ?? ?? "There's something about a Muntz." You be there was; it's only one ?? ?? step above junk. ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? Above? ?? ?? Sure. Out of the box they usually worked for 'some' period of time. ?? That's a bit better than junk. ? ? ? I never saw on 'just out of the box'. Like Packard Bell, we didn't ?see them in our area till they WERE junk. Well, just about everything ends up there sooner or later but Muntz TVs started off closer to the heap. I only saw one of them, but that was enough. It looked like it was built from pre W.W. II surplus. -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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