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Building a PC (for those that do)
Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to
feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue PCI - 2 port FireWire 1 x DVD/CD ROM 1 x DVD/CD RW (BluRay RW to be added to future) Undecided on CASE .. possibles a CoolerMaster HAF 912 ANTEC 300 ANTEC 302 |
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On 09/07/2012 17:10, Rick Hughes wrote:
Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue PCI - 2 port FireWire 1 x DVD/CD ROM 1 x DVD/CD RW (BluRay RW to be added to future) Undecided on CASE .. possibles a CoolerMaster HAF 912 ANTEC 300 ANTEC 302 |
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Rick Hughes wrote:
Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue PCI - 2 port FireWire 1 x DVD/CD ROM 1 x DVD/CD RW (BluRay RW to be added to future) Undecided on CASE .. possibles a CoolerMaster HAF 912 ANTEC 300 ANTEC 302 I gey a local man to do mine http://www.woc.co.uk But thay are standard items, not weird gamers masturboards equipped with king sized dickchips and infeasibly large fans and heatsinks. So it might not suit you. -- To people who know nothing, anything is possible. To people who know too much, it is a sad fact that they know how little is really possible - and how hard it is to achieve it. |
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"Rick Hughes" wrote in message ... Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue PCI - 2 port FireWire 1 x DVD/CD ROM 1 x DVD/CD RW (BluRay RW to be added to future) Undecided on CASE .. possibles a CoolerMaster HAF 912 ANTEC 300 ANTEC 302 You might try posting this to uk.comp.homebuilt. Many knowledgeable folk there. |
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On 09/07/2012 17:10, Rick Hughes wrote:
Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? The advantage of building your own is you get to control the quality of the small details... so things like selecting particularly quiet components, mounting chassis fans on rubber mounts, carefully cable tying stuff neatly, sticking noise dampening pads on the inside of the metalwork etc. The advantage of pre-built is you get someone else to sit through the tedium of OS installs! If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Not used any of them, so can't comment. However one thing to keep in mind, is that even with a whole unit warranty, its not always cost effective to use it. I had someone bring me about a prebuilt system which had suffered a PSU failure. The company that supplied it were happy to fix it under warranty, but it had to be sent back at the customers expense, and also they claimed it would be restored to default configuration - hence the would need to do a full backup first and then restore it when the machine came back. So their choice was jump through the backup and restore hoops, pay for sending it away, lose it for a few days into the bargain, and then doing a full restore on it after it comes back, or pay for me to swap the PSU for them on the spot! They decided the latter carried less risk and hassle (although I did persuade them to do the backup anyway!) Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE Not had many problems with ASUS boards in general... [snip spec] Looks fine, although fairly "normal" - so you would not have difficulty finding a supplier to flog you that spec. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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John Rumm wrote:
On 09/07/2012 17:10, Rick Hughes wrote: Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? The advantage of building your own is you get to control the quality of the small details... so things like selecting particularly quiet components, mounting chassis fans on rubber mounts, carefully cable tying stuff neatly, sticking noise dampening pads on the inside of the metalwork etc. The advantage of pre-built is you get someone else to sit through the tedium of OS installs! not in my case. What I get is the guarantee that at least the assorted collection of hardware is plugged together correctly, and works well enough to boot a windows loader. After that I spend ten minutes installing a linux bootstrap and let it chug through the installation whilst I have a coffee. And if the hardware doesn't work IN ANY WAY the lot goes back to The Man who replaces the defective bit. No buck passing 'the problem is in the bit you bought from someone else, sir. If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Not used any of them, so can't comment. However one thing to keep in mind, is that even with a whole unit warranty, its not always cost effective to use it. I had someone bring me about a prebuilt system which had suffered a PSU failure. The company that supplied it were happy to fix it under warranty, but it had to be sent back at the customers expense, and also they claimed it would be restored to default configuration - hence the would need to do a full backup first and then restore it when the machine came back. My builder just takes it all back no problem and makes it all work. So their choice was jump through the backup and restore hoops, pay for sending it away, lose it for a few days into the bargain, and then doing a full restore on it after it comes back, or pay for me to swap the PSU for them on the spot! They decided the latter carried less risk and hassle (although I did persuade them to do the backup anyway!) Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE Not had many problems with ASUS boards in general... [snip spec] Looks fine, although fairly "normal" - so you would not have difficulty finding a supplier to flog you that spec. -- To people who know nothing, anything is possible. To people who know too much, it is a sad fact that they know how little is really possible - and how hard it is to achieve it. |
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On 09/07/2012 17:10, Rick Hughes wrote:
Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue PCI - 2 port FireWire 1 x DVD/CD ROM 1 x DVD/CD RW (BluRay RW to be added to future) Undecided on CASE .. possibles a CoolerMaster HAF 912 ANTEC 300 ANTEC 302 Avoid Overclockers and Scan. It could be worth investigating any small independent local companies. Peter Crosland |
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On 09/07/2012 17:10, Rick Hughes wrote:
Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue PCI - 2 port FireWire 1 x DVD/CD ROM 1 x DVD/CD RW (BluRay RW to be added to future) Undecided on CASE .. possibles a CoolerMaster HAF 912 ANTEC 300 ANTEC 302 I used to build a lot of PCs, mainly from computer-fair parts or ebuyer. More recently when anyone asks me for PCs I just point they at Dell's website, as for the price / warranty it's not cost effective to build them from scratch any more, and always a better looking end result IMHO. They seem well built and I've not heard of a single hardware fault on any of them yet. Pity the OS is rubbish... (Prefer Linux or MacOS myself). |
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On 09/07/2012 19:36, Owain wrote:
On Jul 9, 6:56 pm, John Rumm wrote: The advantage of pre-built is you get someone else to sit through the tedium of OS installs! Are you compiling Gentoo from source? It was a slightly humorous comment, but there is the serious point that if you want a machine with windows and office on it, its potentially a couple of hours of waiting about getting them both installed and patched up to the current configuration. That may be enough to sway a decision where there is only a few quid difference in price between components and pre-built[1]. (patching speed being partly a function of your internet speed as well) [1] When discussing pre-built, its also worth thinking about the big OEM built systems. With many of those, your software problem is the other way around - you spend hours uninstalling all the crapware they loaded for you! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"Owain" wrote in message ... On Jul 9, 6:56 pm, John Rumm wrote: The advantage of pre-built is you get someone else to sit through the tedium of OS installs! Are you compiling Gentoo from source? I've done that, its pretty boring. |
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On 09/07/2012 17:10 Rick Hughes wrote:
If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Have a look at CCL Computers. I've not bought a pre-built from them but have bought components and I've always been impressed with their attitude and service. If you decide to d-i-y, Ebuyer are the ones I usually use. Decent prices, decent choice and quick delivery. Stick a 120GB SSD in to load the OS onto and the install and subsequent boot-ups and application loads are pretty quick. -- F |
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SteveW wrote:
On 09/07/2012 17:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Rick Hughes wrote: Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue PCI - 2 port FireWire 1 x DVD/CD ROM 1 x DVD/CD RW (BluRay RW to be added to future) Undecided on CASE .. possibles a CoolerMaster HAF 912 ANTEC 300 ANTEC 302 I gey a local man to do mine http://www.woc.co.uk But thay are standard items, not weird gamers masturboards equipped with king sized dickchips and infeasibly large fans and heatsinks. Large fans and heatsinks are good even on basic machines - it means low fan speeds and therefore low noise. well last one he built me has no fan beyond the one in the PSU.. Intel Atom board, no graffix at all :-) Does a little bit of file serving web serving, dns, backups.. probably draws about 10W. SteveW -- To people who know nothing, anything is possible. To people who know too much, it is a sad fact that they know how little is really possible - and how hard it is to achieve it. |
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In message , Rick Hughes
writes Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue How much more does a 2TB HDD cost? £20? PCI - 2 port FireWire Does anyone still use firewire? 1 x DVD/CD ROM 1 x DVD/CD RW (BluRay RW to be added to future) Why not just buy one, what do you really need two for? Make it a bluray RW and have done with it for £60 Undecided on CASE .. possibles a CoolerMaster HAF 912 ANTEC 300 ANTEC 302 -- geoff |
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On 09/07/2012 21:35, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
SteveW wrote: On 09/07/2012 17:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote: Rick Hughes wrote: Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue PCI - 2 port FireWire 1 x DVD/CD ROM 1 x DVD/CD RW (BluRay RW to be added to future) Undecided on CASE .. possibles a CoolerMaster HAF 912 ANTEC 300 ANTEC 302 I gey a local man to do mine http://www.woc.co.uk But thay are standard items, not weird gamers masturboards equipped with king sized dickchips and infeasibly large fans and heatsinks. Large fans and heatsinks are good even on basic machines - it means low fan speeds and therefore low noise. well last one he built me has no fan beyond the one in the PSU.. Intel Atom board, no graffix at all :-) Does a little bit of file serving web serving, dns, backups.. probably draws about 10W. I did look at one of those for my own server, but I decided that a more powerful processor made sense, as I could then use it for transcoding video on the fly for the kids' X-box while streaming music for my wife. I agree that for many purposes an Atom based board is a great idea. SteveW |
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On 09/07/2012 18:21, Nick wrote:
"Rick Hughes" wrote in message ... Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue PCI - 2 port FireWire 1 x DVD/CD ROM 1 x DVD/CD RW (BluRay RW to be added to future) Undecided on CASE .. possibles a CoolerMaster HAF 912 ANTEC 300 ANTEC 302 You might try posting this to uk.comp.homebuilt. Many knowledgeable folk there. wasn't aware of that ng ... will do so |
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On 09/07/2012 18:56, John Rumm wrote:
On 09/07/2012 17:10, Rick Hughes wrote: Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. The physical build does not worry me nor loading OS / Apps .. .in fact would order without OS as prefer to do this myself. My concern was getting all parts that work together ... for example many posts in forums of guys having trouble getting multiple banks of RAM, is it a RAM strip fault a combination fault, a MB fault ... getting to bottom of that could be expensive & time consuming. If they only charge around £75 for building it up .. maybe it's worth it for that. Or I buy a MB + CPU + RAM bundle and at least the 3 core items 'should' be OK together and fully compatible, |
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On 09/07/2012 19:39, Peter Crosland wrote:
ANTEC 302 Avoid Overclockers and Scan. It could be worth investigating any small independent local companies. Peter Crosland Care to recc any ? |
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On 09/07/2012 19:43, Alan Deane wrote:
On 09/07/2012 17:10, Rick Hughes wrote: I used to build a lot of PCs, mainly from computer-fair parts or ebuyer. More recently when anyone asks me for PCs I just point they at Dell's website, as for the price / warranty it's not cost effective to build them from scratch any more, and always a better looking end result IMHO. They seem well built and I've not heard of a single hardware fault on any of them yet. Pity the OS is rubbish... (Prefer Linux or MacOS myself). It's a DEll 9200 Dimension I have now ... just need to get a faster machine as it can't cope with HD video editing. I bought it from Dell refurb stock (you can search on line) ... as to failures, had 3 HDD fail while under warranty ... bit worrying on WD Caviar Blue reliability. |
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On 09/07/2012 21:43, geoff wrote:
How much more does a 2TB HDD cost? £20? Not seen as little diff as that Typ SATA III 1TB is £75 and 2TB is around £130 PCI - 2 port FireWire Does anyone still use firewire? Yep .. me ... for Video capture ... DVI straight into PC from Camcorder - avoids use of capture card, and gives you direct DVI files. Maybe when Cancorders start using USB3 FireWire will go away .. A Firewire PCI cards is only about a £5 anyway. 1 x DVD/CD ROM 1 x DVD/CD RW (BluRay RW to be added to future) Why not just buy one, what do you really need two for? Make it a bluray RW and have done with it for £60 The reason I had 2 was for DVD copy ... Master in ROM drive and blanks in RW. Maybe I could do without ... and mount .iso image instead. Are the BluRay DVD/CD combo drives good value & relibale ? ... or are BluRay RW drives still pretty new and evolving for PC's... like DVD drives, early ones were quite slow on W speed. |
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On 09/07/2012 22:05 Rick Hughes wrote:
My concern was getting all parts that work together ... for example many posts in forums of guys having trouble getting multiple banks of RAM Just buy 'matched' RAM modules from Crucial? -- F |
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On 09/07/2012 22:18, Rick Hughes wrote:
On 09/07/2012 21:43, geoff wrote: PCI - 2 port FireWire Does anyone still use firewire? Yep .. me ... for Video capture ... DVI straight into PC from Camcorder - avoids use of capture card, and gives you direct DVI files. Maybe when Cancorders start using USB3 FireWire will go away .. A Firewire PCI cards is only about a £5 anyway. In case I was misunderstood ... I know that USB2 at 480 Mbs exceeds Firewire 1394b ... but many digital camcorders had a Firewire interface. This was useful as you could use pass through ... feed VHS in and use the Firewire to provide DVI out to PC. Maybe pass through to USB also exists ... not sure about that. Assume they will migrate to USB3 and 5Gbs over the micro USB socket in the future. |
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Rick Hughes wrote
Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. I've just done that with my latest, no regrets. But then I do that a lot more often than you do. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) I did get one done like that for a mate, and discovered that the ****ers had ****ed that up very comprehensively indeed, didn't even manage to use the right screws to attach the motherboard to the case. If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? Yes, that's one theoretical advantage. But are you going to insist that they open it up so you can inspect if before you pay for it ? If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge That's the way I went, but with an Asus P8P67V3 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue PCI - 2 port FireWire 1 x DVD/CD ROM No real point in that. 1 x DVD/CD RW (BluRay RW to be added to future) Undecided on CASE .. possibles a CoolerMaster HAF 912 ANTEC 300 ANTEC 302 I got the CoolerMaster Elite 334 myself. Some of the hard drive slots are a bit close to the mother board for convenient use. |
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Owain wrote John Rumm wrote The advantage of pre-built is you get someone else to sit through the tedium of OS installs! But wont necessarily install it the way you want it installed. Are you compiling Gentoo from source? It was a slightly humorous comment, but there is the serious point that if you want a machine with windows and office on it, its potentially a couple of hours of waiting about getting them both installed and patched up to the current configuration. Hardly ever with Win7. And you can do something else while it updates anyway. That may be enough to sway a decision where there is only a few quid difference in price between components and pre-built[1]. It was a lot more than a few quid in my case. (patching speed being partly a function of your internet speed as well) Yes, but you can do something else while it happens with a slow net service. [1] When discussing pre-built, its also worth thinking about the big OEM built systems. With many of those, your software problem is the other way around - you spend hours uninstalling all the crapware they loaded for you! |
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"Rick Hughes" wrote in message ... On 09/07/2012 18:56, John Rumm wrote: On 09/07/2012 17:10, Rick Hughes wrote: Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. The physical build does not worry me nor loading OS / Apps .. .in fact would order without OS as prefer to do this myself. My concern was getting all parts that work together ... for example many posts in forums of guys having trouble getting multiple banks of RAM, is it a RAM strip fault a combination fault, a MB fault ... getting to bottom of that could be expensive & time consuming. If they only charge around £75 for building it up .. maybe it's worth it for that. Or I buy a MB + CPU + RAM bundle and at least the 3 core items 'should' be OK together and fully compatible, I did that last with the MB + RAM bundle, or more strictly saw that they had been flogging that bundle and so bought that pair myself. You don't see any particular problem with the CPU with an i3 etc. |
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"Rick Hughes" wrote in message ... On 09/07/2012 19:43, Alan Deane wrote: On 09/07/2012 17:10, Rick Hughes wrote: I used to build a lot of PCs, mainly from computer-fair parts or ebuyer. More recently when anyone asks me for PCs I just point they at Dell's website, as for the price / warranty it's not cost effective to build them from scratch any more, and always a better looking end result IMHO. They seem well built and I've not heard of a single hardware fault on any of them yet. Pity the OS is rubbish... (Prefer Linux or MacOS myself). It's a DEll 9200 Dimension I have now ... just need to get a faster machine as it can't cope with HD video editing. I bought it from Dell refurb stock (you can search on line) ... as to failures, had 3 HDD fail while under warranty ... Yeah mate of mine got a Dell, not refurb stock, and had some warranty replacements too. bit worrying on WD Caviar Blue reliability. I avoid those myself, but I use the Samsung 2TB Greens and now that Seagate now owns them, they are hard to find. |
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On 09/07/2012 22:05, Rick Hughes wrote:
On 09/07/2012 18:56, John Rumm wrote: On 09/07/2012 17:10, Rick Hughes wrote: Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. The physical build does not worry me nor loading OS / Apps .. .in fact would order without OS as prefer to do this myself. My concern was getting all parts that work together ... for example many posts in forums of guys having trouble getting multiple banks of RAM, is it a RAM strip fault a combination fault, a MB fault ... getting to bottom of that could be expensive & time consuming. Motherboard makers will publish a list of tried and tested RAM configurations, and CPU models and steppings. Just buy stuff off the "approved" lists and you will be fine. (you will probably be fine if you don't!) If they only charge around £75 for building it up .. maybe it's worth it for that. Or I buy a MB + CPU + RAM bundle and at least the 3 core items 'should' be OK together and fully compatible, -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 09/07/2012 21:43, geoff wrote:
Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue How much more does a 2TB HDD cost? £20? PCI - 2 port FireWire Does anyone still use firewire? If you have a miniDV camera or similar, then yes... (I also use it for analogue capture using a miniDV camera as a real time digitizer. Seems to get better results than the basic PC digitizers) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message ... On 09/07/2012 21:43, geoff wrote: Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue How much more does a 2TB HDD cost? £20? PCI - 2 port FireWire Does anyone still use firewire? If you have a miniDV camera or similar, then yes... (I also use it for analogue capture using a miniDV camera as a real time digitizer. Seems to get better results than the basic PC digitizers) +1 I use a miniDV. My antique laptop (dicky laptop) has a firewire port. If you need firewire on a desktop, ebay ~£3. |
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In message , Rick Hughes
writes The reason I had 2 was for DVD copy ... Master in ROM drive and blanks in RW. Maybe I could do without ... and mount .iso image instead. Are the BluRay DVD/CD combo drives good value & relibale ? ... or are BluRay RW drives still pretty new and evolving for PC's... like DVD drives, early ones were quite slow on W speed. So how important is write speed - if you have two drives, you just leave it to chug away while you go and do something else -- geoff |
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The Other Mike wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 21:35:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: well last one he built me has no fan beyond the one in the PSU.. Intel Atom board, no graffix at all :-) Which Atom board comes without a GPU? It may have a GPU,. but nothing is connected to it :-) -- To people who know nothing, anything is possible. To people who know too much, it is a sad fact that they know how little is really possible - and how hard it is to achieve it. |
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On 09/07/2012 22:50, Rod Speed wrote:
16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue PCI - 2 port FireWire 1 x DVD/CD ROM No real point in that. 'in what' not sure what you mean here. |
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On 09/07/2012 20:56, SteveW wrote:
On 09/07/2012 17:59, The Natural Philosopher wrote: .... But thay are standard items, not weird gamers masturboards equipped with king sized dickchips and infeasibly large fans and heatsinks. Large fans and heatsinks are good even on basic machines - it means low fan speeds and therefore low noise. A very large heat sink and low power and you can get away without any fans at all. Ideal for a machine in a domestic setting that only needs to deal with emails and the occasional bit of simple word processing. Colin Bignell |
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On 09/07/2012 22:24, F wrote:
On 09/07/2012 22:05 Rick Hughes wrote: My concern was getting all parts that work together ... for example many posts in forums of guys having trouble getting multiple banks of RAM Just buy 'matched' RAM modules from Crucial? Not quite bottomed out what RAM to use ... even just getting 2 x 8GB modules there is so much choice. I'm sure somewhere there is a spec that states MHz and latency required to suit MB and CPU, just not found it yet. |
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On 10/07/2012 00:40, John Rumm wrote:
On 09/07/2012 22:05, Rick Hughes wrote: .... My concern was getting all parts that work together ... for example many posts in forums of guys having trouble getting multiple banks of RAM, is it a RAM strip fault a combination fault, a MB fault ... getting to bottom of that could be expensive & time consuming. Motherboard makers will publish a list of tried and tested RAM configurations, and CPU models and steppings. Just buy stuff off the "approved" lists and you will be fine. (you will probably be fine if you don't!)... .... and the Crucial web site has both a system scanner and an advisor tool to make choosing compatible memory simple. http://www.crucial.com/uk/systemscanner/ http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/advisor.aspx Colin Bignell |
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On 09/07/2012 17:10, Rick Hughes wrote:
Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue PCI - 2 port FireWire 1 x DVD/CD ROM 1 x DVD/CD RW (BluRay RW to be added to future) Undecided on CASE .. possibles a CoolerMaster HAF 912 ANTEC 300 ANTEC 302 The CPU won't last long without a heatsink on it... Intel's stock coolers are noisy whining things too! Worth considering if you need a high power gamers graphics board as the Ivy bridge chipset can do respectable DVD playback and transcoding. If you intend to play games at hires then it is worth it but otherwise probably not. Money saved would get you a Blueray super multi RW. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 10/07/2012 09:24 Rick Hughes wrote:
Not quite bottomed out what RAM to use ... even just getting 2 x 8GB modules there is so much choice. I'm sure somewhere there is a spec that states MHz and latency required to suit MB and CPU, just not found it yet. Crucial have a tool on their site for deciding which modules to use. Just identify the motherboard and you'll be provided with a list and details of suitable modules. -- F |
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On 09/07/2012 17:35, newshound wrote:
On 09/07/2012 17:10, Rick Hughes wrote: Been a number of years since I have built a PC from scratch .. had to feed in loads of FD's to load Dos and W 3.1 :-) I need a new PC at home, I have my spec sorted for a W7 64bit (apart from case), and just wondering whether it's worth getting all the parts and assembling yourself. Or buying form one place and get them to assemble ... (Overclockers assemble for £70 for example) If they assemble .. at least you can be sure it all works together ... and guarantee result, views ? If you think getting it pre-assembled, any companies particularly good price wise ? Overclockers, SCAN, Power PC ? Spec proposed: ASUS P87ZZ-V LE CPU Intel i5 3570K IvyBridge 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue PCI - 2 port FireWire 1 x DVD/CD ROM 1 x DVD/CD RW (BluRay RW to be added to future) Undecided on CASE .. possibles a CoolerMaster HAF 912 ANTEC 300 ANTEC 302 Surely, it depends on overall price. You may find a supplier such as Chillblast.com have one at the same spec they'll sell you assembled and with a guarantee for not much more (Thats what I found anyway) This one is similar to your spec but you can downgrade the Video card, add an SSD, remove Windows etc? http://www.chillblast.com/Chillblast...underbird.html |
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Rick Hughes wrote
Rod Speed wrote 16 GB DDR3 RAM (Samsung or Vengeance) PSU 500W modular (Corsair or CoolerMaster) GPU - MSI GTX560 Ti 1GB SSD - 120GB SATA III Corsair HDD - 1TB SATA III WD Caviar Blue PCI - 2 port FireWire 1 x DVD/CD ROM No real point in that. 'in what' not sure what you mean here. Yeah, my original was a tad cryptic. I meant that there isnt much point in a ROM drive now. It makes more sense to have either two RW drives or to have just one RW drive. |
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Rick Hughes wrote
F wrote Rick Hughes wrote My concern was getting all parts that work together ... for example many posts in forums of guys having trouble getting multiple banks of RAM Just buy 'matched' RAM modules from Crucial? Not quite bottomed out what RAM to use ... even just getting 2 x 8GB modules there is so much choice. But the total cost of RAM isnt great, so not much point in getting too obsessive. I chose to use the motherboard/RAM combination that the seller chose to flog on the basis that they would have worked out that that combination worked fine, particularly when Asus showed the ram in the works fine list for that motherboard. I'm sure somewhere there is a spec that states MHz and latency required to suit MB and CPU, just not found it yet. Its rather more complicated than that. Just use the list that Asus provides for each motherboard. |
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