Once i have found a competent installer, which brand central ac do you
recommend? What brands do any HVAC boys have in your homes. I will have
the installer replace everything that needs to be replaced. The previous
owner had a Bryant plus80 gas furnace installed about 6 yrs ago. My
current sick ac is a 30yr old 3ton Amana. Bang for the buck. Just like
everyone else, I'm looking for value for money spent. Oh, what media
filter do you recommend, Honeywell, AprilAire, ?

Bang for buck along with good quality, is: Goodman. They are the second
largest residential hvac supplier in the nation. I installed a 92%
Goodman furnace in my own home 2 years ago along with 13 seer A/C unit
...and both have worked flawlessly. Goodman doesnt do all the
advertising that Carrier , Trane, And Lennox does...so, you save alot in
advertising . Frankly, i think Carrier is over-rated , Trane is a
glorifed G.E. unit, and Lennox isnt anything special. I think they have
the public duped with their relentless advertising .

If you want a pleated 6" thick filter media, go with either Spaceguard
2200 or Honneywells version. Both are good.

dtbray wrote:
Once i have found a competent installer, which brand central ac do you
recommend? What brands do any HVAC boys have in your homes. I will
have the installer replace everything that needs to be replaced. The
previous owner had a Bryant plus80 gas furnace installed about 6 yrs
ago. My current sick ac is a 30yr old 3ton Amana. Bang for the
buck. Just like everyone else, I'm looking for value for money
spent. Oh, what media filter do you recommend, Honeywell,
AprilAire, ?

I can't offer you much advice for the AC unit, but I would suggest using
the better lines of the 3M Filtrite(sp?) filters and not bother with special
media filters.

--
Joseph Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

"dtbray" wrote in message
...
Once i have found a competent installer, which brand central ac do you
recommend? What brands do any HVAC boys have in your homes. I will have
the installer replace everything that needs to be replaced. The previous
owner had a Bryant plus80 gas furnace installed about 6 yrs ago. My
current sick ac is a 30yr old 3ton Amana. Bang for the buck. Just like
everyone else, I'm looking for value for money spent. Oh, what media
filter do you recommend, Honeywell, AprilAire, ?

As for which equipment, you answered it in your first comment, what ever
your competent installer recommends! Don't worry about the brand so much,
just make damn sure you get a great installer.
I have a York furnace, and a Goodman AC, the furnace has cost me $6 in 13
years for repairs, the AC nothing, but then I installed them both, so I know
they are right!
As for filters, April Aire, Air Bear are popular. I do not like
electrostatic filters, nobody services them like they need to.
Greg

I have a Amana, it is great.

Happy New Year ...

TP

Greg O wrote:
"dtbray" wrote in message
...

Once i have found a competent installer, which brand central ac do you
recommend? What brands do any HVAC boys have in your homes. I will have
the installer replace everything that needs to be replaced. The previous
owner had a Bryant plus80 gas furnace installed about 6 yrs ago. My
current sick ac is a 30yr old 3ton Amana. Bang for the buck. Just like
everyone else, I'm looking for value for money spent. Oh, what media
filter do you recommend, Honeywell, AprilAire, ?


As for which equipment, you answered it in your first comment, what ever
your competent installer recommends! Don't worry about the brand so much,
just make damn sure you get a great installer.
I have a York furnace, and a Goodman AC, the furnace has cost me $6 in 13
years for repairs, the AC nothing, but then I installed them both, so I know
they are right!
As for filters, April Aire, Air Bear are popular. I do not like
electrostatic filters, nobody services them like they need to.
Greg

Actually, you now have a Goodman.
Think about it..........
Bubba

On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 00:37:50 GMT, TP
wrote:

I have a Amana, it is great.

Happy New Year ...

TP

Greg O wrote:
"dtbray" wrote in message
...

Once i have found a competent installer, which brand central ac do you
recommend? What brands do any HVAC boys have in your homes. I will have
the installer replace everything that needs to be replaced. The previous
owner had a Bryant plus80 gas furnace installed about 6 yrs ago. My
current sick ac is a 30yr old 3ton Amana. Bang for the buck. Just like
everyone else, I'm looking for value for money spent. Oh, what media
filter do you recommend, Honeywell, AprilAire, ?


As for which equipment, you answered it in your first comment, what ever
your competent installer recommends! Don't worry about the brand so much,
just make damn sure you get a great installer.
I have a York furnace, and a Goodman AC, the furnace has cost me $6 in 13
years for repairs, the AC nothing, but then I installed them both, so I know
they are right!
As for filters, April Aire, Air Bear are popular. I do not like
electrostatic filters, nobody services them like they need to.
Greg

uh-huh...

"JustCallMe Norman" wrote in message
...
Bang for buck along with good quality, is: Goodman. They are the second
largest residential hvac supplier in the nation. I installed a 92%
Goodman furnace in my own home 2 years ago along with 13 seer A/C unit
..and both have worked flawlessly.

Despite the installer.

Goodman doesnt do all the
advertising that Carrier , Trane, And Lennox does...so, you save alot in
advertising . Frankly, i think Carrier is over-rated , Trane is a
glorifed G.E. unit, and Lennox isnt anything special. I think they have
the public duped with their relentless advertising .


Wow, the inbred moron got something right!


If you want a pleated 6" thick filter media, go with either Spaceguard
2200 or Honneywells version. Both are good.



Another one right, despite the poor spelling.

Seriously, go with what your contractor recommends. 99% of the time, he's
handled the line for a while and knows the equipment.

'Bang for buck along with good quality, is: Goodman. They are the second
largest residential hvac supplier in the nation. I installed a 92%
Goodman furnace in my own home 2 years ago along with 13 seer A/C unit
..and both have worked flawlessly. Goodman doesnt do all the advertising
that Carrier , Trane, And Lennox does...so, you save alot in advertising
Frankly, i think Carrier is over-rated , Trane is a glorifed G.E.
unit, and Lennox isnt anything special. I think they have the public
duped with their relentless advertising .
If you want a pleated 6" thick filter media, go with either Spaceguard
2200 or Honneywells version. Both are good.'

You just dont have a clue, do you? =A0 After installing your own
equipment, perhaps you'll tell us how you measured the Total External
Static pressure and what it is. Please tell us what the pressure drop is
across your evaporator coil and also your filter. Post the total supply
air and total return air cfm's you've measured, and how many btu's your
13 seer system is ACTUALLY delivering.
=A0=A0Post for us the amount of btu's your furnace is REALLY producing,
not what's listed on the furnace nameplate. If you had even the tiniest
of clues, you'll post for us what the System Efficiency really is, not
the number stamped on the box. You can't because you dont have a clue.

ME: I have a VERY good clue on whats going on ; i dont need to tell
you all the things such as ESP , Evaporator pressure drop, et al.... I
did a load calculation on my home, looked at the duct system carefully,
and i selected equipment size based on that ; it works flawlessly like
i said. Too bad if i hurt your feelings concerning Trane Brand --- it is
nothing but overpriced junk. The last couple Trane furnaces i installed
were problematic right out of the box. Nothing but glorified G.E.
complete with whistling draft inducers , over controlled furnaces , very
special OEM parts, and a near retail price for me as a Contractor. They
are nothing but Marketing Pros who dupe the Contractor and the Consumer
from different angles. At least Carrier offers a Steak Program when you
get duped by them !

I've got a Luxaire in my place. Only cause I got a good price on it, the
parts house stopped carrying it.

When I was more busy installing, the boss used to use Rheem / Rudd, and
sometimes Heil. the condensing units (outdoor part of the AC) we used to use
exclusively Heil.

--

Christopher A. Young
This space intentionally left blank
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"dtbray" wrote in message
...
Once i have found a competent installer, which brand central ac do you
recommend? What brands do any HVAC boys have in your homes. I will have
the installer replace everything that needs to be replaced. The previous
owner had a Bryant plus80 gas furnace installed about 6 yrs ago. My
current sick ac is a 30yr old 3ton Amana. Bang for the buck. Just like
everyone else, I'm looking for value for money spent. Oh, what media
filter do you recommend, Honeywell, AprilAire, ?

He is a much better technician and human being than you can ever hope
to be.

Fred




On 01 Jan 2005 00:53:41 GMT, (go fish) wrote:

(JustCallMe Norman) wrote in message


Bang for buck along with good quality, is: Goodman. They are the second
largest residential hvac supplier in the nation. I installed a 92%
Goodman furnace in my own home 2 years ago along with 13 seer A/C unit
..and both have worked flawlessly. Goodman doesnt do all the
advertising that Carrier , Trane, And Lennox does...so, you save alot in
advertising . Frankly, i think Carrier is over-rated , Trane is a
glorifed G.E. unit, and Lennox isnt anything special. I think they have
the public duped with their relentless advertising .

If you want a pleated 6" thick filter media, go with either Spaceguard
2200 or Honneywells version. Both are good.

You just dont have a clue, do you? After installing your own equipment,
perhaps you'll tell us how you measured the Total External Static pressure and
what it is. Please tell us what the pressure drop is across your evaporator
coil and also your filter. Post the total supply air and total return air cfm's
you've measured, and how many btu's your 13 seer system is ACTUALLY delivering.
Post for us the amount of btu's your furnace is REALLY producing, not what's
listed on the furnace nameplate. If you had even the tiniest of clues, you'll
post for us what the System Efficiency really is, not the number stamped on the
box. You can't because you dont have a clue.

Change your name all you want Dave. You're still a hack.

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:00:23 -0700, (dtbray)
wrote:

Once i have found a competent installer, which brand central ac do you
recommend? What brands do any HVAC boys have in your homes. I will have
the installer replace everything that needs to be replaced. The previous
owner had a Bryant plus80 gas furnace installed about 6 yrs ago. My
current sick ac is a 30yr old 3ton Amana. Bang for the buck. Just like
everyone else, I'm looking for value for money spent. Oh, what media
filter do you recommend, Honeywell, AprilAire, ?

I'd suggest Ruud/Rheem.

Fred

Consumer Reports Jan 2005 rates Goodman as the lowest quality equipment.
Furthermore, they say that the installation is important, but the quality of
the equipment is also important.


"JustCallMe Norman" wrote in message
...
Bang for buck along with good quality, is: Goodman. They are the second
largest residential hvac supplier in the nation. I installed a 92%
Goodman furnace in my own home 2 years ago along with 13 seer A/C unit
..and both have worked flawlessly. Goodman doesnt do all the
advertising that Carrier , Trane, And Lennox does...so, you save alot in
advertising . Frankly, i think Carrier is over-rated , Trane is a
glorifed G.E. unit, and Lennox isnt anything special. I think they have
the public duped with their relentless advertising .

If you want a pleated 6" thick filter media, go with either Spaceguard
2200 or Honneywells version. Both are good.

'Consumer Reports Jan 2005 rates Goodman as the lowest quality
equipment. Furthermore, they say that the installation is important, but
the quality of the equipment is also important.'

ME: Consumer Reports Oct. 1998 rates Goodman as one of the top 3
manufacturers and suggests (inferred) that you go with them. Since
Goodman took over Amana and they came out with a whole new line of hvac
equipment, the quality and performance is absolutely equivalent to
Carrier or Trane . Ive installed all three brands over 30 years.

"Dave in Lake Villa" wrote in message
...
'Consumer Reports Jan 2005 rates Goodman as the lowest quality
equipment. Furthermore, they say that the installation is important, but
the quality of the equipment is also important.'

ME: Consumer Reports Oct. 1998 rates Goodman as one of the top 3
manufacturers and suggests (inferred) that you go with them. Since
Goodman took over Amana and they came out with a whole new line of hvac
equipment, the quality and performance is absolutely equivalent to
Carrier or Trane . Ive installed all three brands over 30 years.

The main problem with Goodman over the years was their policy of selling
units to anyone off the streets. This means that some hack with a little
knowledge of soldering will install the units (improperly!) and then the
customers can't understand why the units crap out after only a year or two.

WHO is installing it is more important than WHAT you are installing.......

Dave in Lake Villa posted for all of us....



ME: Consumer Reports Oct. 1998 rates Goodman as one of the top 3
manufacturers and suggests (inferred) that you go with them. Since
Goodman took over Amana and they came out with a whole new line of hvac
equipment, the quality and performance is absolutely equivalent to
Carrier or Trane . Ive installed all three brands over 30 years.


Dave is reportedly also a pedophile.
--
Tekkie

'Dave is reportedly also a pedophile.
--
Tekkie'

ME: I wish Dave had a dollar for everytime hes been reportedly something
that a person of malice thought up . Id buy you a new life.

'The main problem with Goodman over the years was their policy of
selling units to anyone off the streets. This means that some hack with
a little knowledge of soldering will install the units (improperly!) and
then the customers can't understand why the units crap out after only a
year or two.'

ME: That doesnt discount Goodman Equipment quality, especially as of
late. I think it is a good alternative to Manufacturers that load in
marketing and advertising dollars into their equipment . Goodman uses
Copeland Scroll compressors in 12 seer (??) and above..and they use
copper condensor coils for greater durability. Plus they have a huge
wholesaler network across the nation which is a plus.

"Dave in Lake Villa" wrote in message
...
'The main problem with Goodman over the years was their policy of
selling units to anyone off the streets. This means that some hack with
a little knowledge of soldering will install the units (improperly!) and
then the customers can't understand why the units crap out after only a
year or two.'

ME: That doesnt discount Goodman Equipment quality, especially as of
late. I think it is a good alternative to Manufacturers that load in
marketing and advertising dollars into their equipment . Goodman uses
Copeland Scroll compressors in 12 seer (??) and above..and they use
copper condensor coils for greater durability. Plus they have a huge
wholesaler network across the nation which is a plus.

I agree. Their new units look pretty "classy" AND they are now offering
"lifetime warranty on the life of the compressor" (for the original owner).
They are relly trying to improve their image. True, Goodman doesn't have all
of the bells and whistles of some of the premium brands, but they aren't all
that bad,...

"dtbray" wrote in message
...
Once i have found a competent installer, which brand central ac do you
recommend? What brands do any HVAC boys have in your homes. I will have
the installer replace everything that needs to be replaced. The previous
owner had a Bryant plus80 gas furnace installed about 6 yrs ago. My
current sick ac is a 30yr old 3ton Amana. Bang for the buck. Just like
everyone else, I'm looking for value for money spent. Oh, what media
filter do you recommend, Honeywell, AprilAire, ?

This is Turtle.

I have been in the hvac / r business for a good while and do this kind of work.

I will not get into the name game here with brands for to look at a brand as to
quality is a mistake for all brands have some junk equipment and some good
stuff. I can take '' any brand '' and then go pick out the good stuff they have
and install it and leave the junk at the warehouse.

So I will list the items that you want on the brand you choose and you should
good to go.

1) I want a GOOD respectiable installer to install it. Now you can stop right
here for he will usely pick out the good stuff anyway on the brands he sells if
you tell him to get me something that will last and hold up for the long run. I
think you might keep going here to just check thing out.

2) It Must have a Copland New Millium scroll compressor in the condenser unit.
I did not say like to but must have. Now Trane / American Standard / G/E have
climatuff compressors in them and I would rate them just a little short of a
Copland scroll but may allow them I guess.

3) SEER rating -- If you live in the Southern states get the highest seer
rating you can afford. In the Northern states 10 seer sounds good to me. Now
heat pump is a different story but your not buying a heat pump.

4) Now to warranty -- get the longest warranty you can get. Now Trane / A/S /
G/E have a 10 year parts and labor warranty -- Now most everybody else has a 5 &
10 year parts warranty -- Now Amana and Goodman 13 seer or above have 10 year
parts warranty and a lifetime warranty on the compressor. Remember if it don't
have a Copland Scroll compressor on it you don't want it.

5) You DO NOT WANT A PISTON TYPE COMPRESSOR IN THE CONDENSER UNIT. Was that
clear enough ?

6) Drive around in the town you live in and see what is the most popular brand
that is sold in your area and try to pick from the brands you see. This will
usely tell you that they can get parts for the most popular brands sold in a
area by being a good supply of equipment means a good supply of parts. Don't buy
a Snow Bird Brand and you have the only one in town with that brand and order
parts from Japan or somewhere. Pick out of the brands you see a lot.

7) E-mail me or post here and I will discuss it.

Now if I woke up tomorrow morning and my compressor was burnt up and I live in
Hot Louisiana. I'm running my air conditioner in cooling mode right now. I would
drive to the warehouses and get me a either a Rheem 14 seer , a Goodman 14 seer
, or Amana 14 seer . this being they are the 3 big dog in the area and I do like
the 14 seer condenser on each of these brands. Read the above closely here for
the Rheem , Amana , and Goodman may not be the 3 big dogs in your town and have
trouble getting parts from Russia or somewhere else. Get a brand you can get
parts for. Now if your picking the 10 or 12 seer condenser but the one I pick
will change a good bit and in some cases would not buy that brand at all. Every
one of these three brands has models that I don't like.

TURTLE

"Fred" wrote in message
...

He is a much better technician and human being than you can ever hope
to be.

Fred


This is Turtle.

****sssss Fred , Dave here is suppose to be a hvac tech or business owner in the
trade and he had to call another hvac service company out to his house to tell
him what was wrong with his system and he had a dirty filter. He got ****ed off
because the fellow or hvac service company charged him $85.00 to tell him he had
a dirty filter. He was also ask for his company name and info and the company he
give was not recorded no where in Illinois as he said. He does not have a
Business operator permitt in the town he lives in and no company in that town
with his name on it.

Fred , Well Ok what ever.

TURTLE

"Oscar_Lives" wrote in message
news:w3LBd.8587$3m6.5798@attbi_s51...

Consumer Reports Jan 2005 rates Goodman as the lowest quality equipment.
Furthermore, they say that the installation is important, but the quality of
the equipment is also important.


This is Turtle.

Most all their testing is the 10 seer models and I would not have the 10 seer
goodman on nothing I install. Now I will say the 13 and 14 seer Goodman now days
is good but furnaces are still lacking too. I will say this Consumer Report is
for a customer who is picking a brand out of the blue and a hack installing it
with no knowledge of quality. This is the only way Consumer Report will be worth
anything.

TURTLE

"Dave in Lake Villa" wrote in message
...
'Consumer Reports Jan 2005 rates Goodman as the lowest quality
equipment. Furthermore, they say that the installation is important, but
the quality of the equipment is also important.'

ME: Consumer Reports Oct. 1998 rates Goodman as one of the top 3
manufacturers and suggests (inferred) that you go with them. Since
Goodman took over Amana and they came out with a whole new line of hvac
equipment, the quality and performance is absolutely equivalent to
Carrier or Trane . Ive installed all three brands over 30 years.


This is Turtle.

What was the name of the hvac company installer you hired to install it for you?

Hey Dave How you doing ?

TURTLE

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 20:41:37 -0500, Tekkie wrote:

Dave in Lake Villa posted for all of us....



ME: Consumer Reports Oct. 1998 rates Goodman as one of the top 3
manufacturers and suggests (inferred) that you go with them. Since
Goodman took over Amana and they came out with a whole new line of hvac
equipment, the quality and performance is absolutely equivalent to
Carrier or Trane . Ive installed all three brands over 30 years.


Dave is reportedly also a pedophile.

As are you.

Damn man you HVAC guys are freakin vicious!

I thought all the boning and gutting of homeowner HVAC questions were
supposed to be posted in alt.hvac!

Hey DavePedophile!

read on....

"Dave in Lake Villa" wrote in message
...
'The main problem with Goodman over the years was their policy of
selling units to anyone off the streets. This means that some hack with
a little knowledge of soldering will install the units (improperly!) and
then the customers can't understand why the units crap out after only a
year or two.'

ME: That doesnt discount Goodman Equipment quality, especially as of
late. I think it is a good alternative to Manufacturers that load in
marketing and advertising dollars into their equipment . Goodman uses
Copeland Scroll compressors in 12 seer (??) and above.

Rheem uses scroll compressors in all their equipment.

.and they use
copper condensor coils for greater durability.

Rheem does too.


Plus they have a huge
wholesaler network across the nation which is a plus.

And that network will usually sell to anyone with money in their pocket.

Like you.

Turtle, thanks for the advice. I live in Idaho where a higher seer
rating may not be necessary. But if the higheer seer rating means newer
better design and longer waranty then maybe that is the way to go.
Also, are te higher seer ratings available that use r22. Or what are
your thoughts on r22 vs. r410a?
Goodonya, Tom

In article , "TURTLE"
wrote:

"dtbray" wrote in message
...
Once i have found a competent installer, which brand central ac do you
recommend? What brands do any HVAC boys have in your homes. I will have
the installer replace everything that needs to be replaced. The previous
owner had a Bryant plus80 gas furnace installed about 6 yrs ago. My
current sick ac is a 30yr old 3ton Amana. Bang for the buck. Just like
everyone else, I'm looking for value for money spent. Oh, what media
filter do you recommend, Honeywell, AprilAire, ?

This is Turtle.

I have been in the hvac / r business for a good while and do this kind
of work.

I will not get into the name game here with brands for to look at a
brand as to
quality is a mistake for all brands have some junk equipment and some good
stuff. I can take '' any brand '' and then go pick out the good stuff
they have
and install it and leave the junk at the warehouse.

So I will list the items that you want on the brand you choose and you should
good to go.

1) I want a GOOD respectiable installer to install it. Now you can
stop right
here for he will usely pick out the good stuff anyway on the brands he
sells if
you tell him to get me something that will last and hold up for the long
run. I
think you might keep going here to just check thing out.

2) It Must have a Copland New Millium scroll compressor in the
condenser unit.
I did not say like to but must have. Now Trane / American Standard / G/E have
climatuff compressors in them and I would rate them just a little short of a
Copland scroll but may allow them I guess.

3) SEER rating -- If you live in the Southern states get the highest seer
rating you can afford. In the Northern states 10 seer sounds good to me. Now
heat pump is a different story but your not buying a heat pump.

4) Now to warranty -- get the longest warranty you can get. Now Trane
/ A/S /
G/E have a 10 year parts and labor warranty -- Now most everybody else
has a 5 &
10 year parts warranty -- Now Amana and Goodman 13 seer or above have 10 year
parts warranty and a lifetime warranty on the compressor. Remember if it
don't
have a Copland Scroll compressor on it you don't want it.

5) You DO NOT WANT A PISTON TYPE COMPRESSOR IN THE CONDENSER UNIT. Was that
clear enough ?

6) Drive around in the town you live in and see what is the most
popular brand
that is sold in your area and try to pick from the brands you see. This will
usely tell you that they can get parts for the most popular brands sold in a
area by being a good supply of equipment means a good supply of parts.
Don't buy
a Snow Bird Brand and you have the only one in town with that brand and order
parts from Japan or somewhere. Pick out of the brands you see a lot.

7) E-mail me or post here and I will discuss it.

Now if I woke up tomorrow morning and my compressor was burnt up and I
live in
Hot Louisiana. I'm running my air conditioner in cooling mode right now.
I would
drive to the warehouses and get me a either a Rheem 14 seer , a Goodman
14 seer
, or Amana 14 seer . this being they are the 3 big dog in the area and I
do like
the 14 seer condenser on each of these brands. Read the above closely
here for
the Rheem , Amana , and Goodman may not be the 3 big dogs in your town
and have
trouble getting parts from Russia or somewhere else. Get a brand you can get
parts for. Now if your picking the 10 or 12 seer condenser but the one I pick
will change a good bit and in some cases would not buy that brand at
all. Every
one of these three brands has models that I don't like.

TURTLE

"dtbray" wrote in message
...
Turtle, thanks for the advice. I live in Idaho where a higher seer
rating may not be necessary. But if the higheer seer rating means newer
better design and longer waranty then maybe that is the way to go.
Also, are te higher seer ratings available that use r22. Or what are
your thoughts on r22 vs. r410a?
Goodonya, Tom


This is Turtle

Being in Idaho the 12 seer would be the max. as to tring to pay for the added
cost of the system with saving.

Higher seer rating would be looked at as warrenty and some design reasons only.

Now getting a R-22 or a R-410-A type system right now when the R-22 is suppose
to be do away with. Well your R-22 system will be wore out by the time R-22 gets
not obtainable anymore. and also if the R-22 tomorrow morning was not buyiable /
can't buy it NO MORE. They have right now R-407-C which can be dropped in it's
place to use. The R-407-C will be used as a replacement when R-22 gets too high
to buy. So if my system in my house went out. I would replace it with a R-22
system and when the regulation hit. I would just switch to R-407-C.

Now they have a 18 seer with the 410-A gas and they have a 16 seer with the R-22
freon. Unless your wanting a 18 seer , there is no need to jump to 410-A just
yet.

TURTLE

Change your name all you want Dave. You're still a hack

That is SO true....Ya gotta wonder why dave needs to change his name
every few weeks..Is he trying to hide something? Like his stupidy? Or
maybe he think's he so smart in fooling everying who doesn't catch on
to him in less that one post?
FOAD dave ya uneducated religious webtv troll

Well at least dave has been leaving the real HVAC guys alone in their
group and sticking to giving out his usual half-assed "info" to the
people in here who don't know any different....

Ever wonder why he needs to keep changing his webtv name as ofter as he
changes his shorts?