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Bullseye shellac - 50% wax
I've been trying to dewax a quart can of this stuff for a couple weeks
now. It looks like the best I will be able to do is to get 50% dewaxed product from it, and that is being generous. The Flexner book says to expect 5% wax. They must be decanting the dewaxed portion off to make Seal Coat and spray bombs and selling what's left to suckers (like me) as regular shellac. What a gyp. |
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Perhaps you are using the wrong product ???
http://www.zinsser.com/product_detail.asp?ProductID=72 The folks that make it say it's 100% "wax free" Hax Planks wrote: I've been trying to dewax a quart can of this stuff for a couple weeks now. It looks like the best I will be able to do is to get 50% dewaxed product from it, and that is being generous. The Flexner book says to expect 5% wax. They must be decanting the dewaxed portion off to make Seal Coat and spray bombs and selling what's left to suckers (like me) as regular shellac. What a gyp. |
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"Hax Planks" wrote in message .net... I've been trying to dewax a quart can of this stuff for a couple weeks now. It looks like the best I will be able to do is to get 50% dewaxed product from it, and that is being generous. The Flexner book says to expect 5% wax. They must be decanting the dewaxed portion off to make Seal Coat and spray bombs and selling what's left to suckers (like me) as regular shellac. What a gyp. Sure you don't just have an out-of-date can? Check it. Esterfication seems the best answer. Second best - water contamination. |
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I suspect your reply is right on. I've used their dewaxed shellac a few times,
and all was well. On the 50% dewaxed note, I think he's seeing something that Flexner doesn't mention. I had some shellac a few years ago that I tried to decant, and only 1/2 of it settled out of the wax. It stayed this way for several weeks, and I sent a query to Jeff Jewitt. He replied they probably included an additive to suppress the wax settling. There's nothing at all wrong with that, and it just means less stirring. Don't remember the brand, but other shellacs have decanted okay. OTOH, for the past maybe 8 years I've bought dewaxed shellac flakes from Homestead. GerryG On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:41:35 GMT, Pat Barber wrote: Perhaps you are using the wrong product ??? http://www.zinsser.com/product_detail.asp?ProductID=72 The folks that make it say it's 100% "wax free" Hax Planks wrote: I've been trying to dewax a quart can of this stuff for a couple weeks now. It looks like the best I will be able to do is to get 50% dewaxed product from it, and that is being generous. The Flexner book says to expect 5% wax. They must be decanting the dewaxed portion off to make Seal Coat and spray bombs and selling what's left to suckers (like me) as regular shellac. What a gyp. |
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If you don't mind mixing it yourself you can buy dewaxed flakes. In
the end I think this is simpler than decanting and losing some of the product in the process. I bought dewaxed flakes from a website called woodfinishingsupplies.com. The clarity of the finish is much better than the Park's shellac from a can that I had been using previously. George wrote: "Hax Planks" wrote in message .net... I've been trying to dewax a quart can of this stuff for a couple weeks now. It looks like the best I will be able to do is to get 50% dewaxed product from it, and that is being generous. The Flexner book says to expect 5% wax. They must be decanting the dewaxed portion off to make Seal Coat and spray bombs and selling what's left to suckers (like me) as regular shellac. What a gyp. Sure you don't just have an out-of-date can? Check it. Esterfication seems the best answer. Second best - water contamination. |
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Hax Planks wrote:
expect 5% wax. They must be decanting the dewaxed portion off to make Seal Coat and spray bombs and selling what's left to suckers (like me) as regular shellac. What a gyp. Probably not. I've got some stuff I mixed up from raw flakes that's at least 40% wax. The bullseye stuff is probably made up from something along the same general line. I wouldn't say this means they are ripping you off on purpose. Just that if you want dewaxed shellac, don't buy their regular waxy stuff and expect to decant a useful quantity of it. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ |
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Silvan wrote: Hax Planks wrote: expect 5% wax. They must be decanting the dewaxed portion off to make Seal Coat and spray bombs and selling what's left to suckers (like me) as regular shellac. What a gyp. Probably not. I've got some stuff I mixed up from raw flakes that's at least 40% wax. The bullseye stuff is probably made up from something along the same general line. I wouldn't say this means they are ripping you off on purpose. Just that if you want dewaxed shellac, don't buy their regular waxy stuff and expect to decant a useful quantity of it. According to their label their regular stuff is dewaxed. I've never seen any Bulls-eye NON-DE-waxed shellac on the shelves. But as many have noted, mixing your own is the way to go. Shellac is best used when fresh. -- FF |
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Pat Barber says...
Perhaps you are using the wrong product ??? http://www.zinsser.com/product_detail.asp?ProductID=72 The folks that make it say it's 100% "wax free" I was talking about their regular shellac, not the seal coat. |
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GerryG says...
I suspect your reply is right on. I've used their dewaxed shellac a few times, and all was well. On the 50% dewaxed note, I think he's seeing something that Flexner doesn't mention. I had some shellac a few years ago that I tried to decant, and only 1/2 of it settled out of the wax. It stayed this way for several weeks, and I sent a query to Jeff Jewitt. He replied they probably included an additive to suppress the wax settling. There's nothing at all wrong with that, and it just means less stirring. Don't remember the brand, but other shellacs have decanted okay. OTOH, for the past maybe 8 years I've bought dewaxed shellac flakes from Homestead. GerryG That's interesting. Maybe there is an additive. I'd hate to call it a gyp if it wasn't, but I'd be amazed if there was less than 25% wax the way it looks now, additive or not. Buying the flakes is more economical. You can get a pound of the dewaxed color of your choice for $20 at Woodcraft and I saw all varieties for $17 online. The seal coat is about $10-12/quart, which is reasonably competitive with the flakes if you like the color and need to get it from any nearby hardware store. I guess the moral of the story is buy dewaxed from the start if you want it dewaxed. |
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alexy wrote: wrote: According to their label their regular stuff is dewaxed. I've never seen any Bulls-eye NON-DE-waxed shellac on the shelves. You might want to reread those labels. I've never seen a dewaxed or wax-free claim on the regular shellac, only on the Seal Coat (a 2# cut dewaxed clear shellac). One clue to wax in the regular is the caution on the label that it is not recommended for use under polyurethane. I forgot to DAGS and put a 1.5 lb (50/50) cut of amber bullseye under a coat of oil gel stain and oil poly and have noticed NO ill effects. I did let it dry overnight and sanded at 330 grit. After I learned of my "mistake" I checked to make sure the poly wouldn't lift. It's not going anywhere! Hard as a rock and sanded to fine white powder. It looks like it will be just fine. I plan to put 2 more coats of ploy on it and I doubt there will be problems. Maybe I'll luck out... |
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:41:41 -0500, the inscrutable Hax Planks
spake: I've been trying to dewax a quart can of this stuff for a couple weeks now. It looks like the best I will be able to do is to get 50% dewaxed product from it, and that is being generous. The Flexner book says to expect 5% wax. They must be decanting the dewaxed portion off to make Seal Coat and spray bombs and selling what's left to suckers (like me) as regular shellac. What a gyp. Maybe you shouldn't have use that jug of 70% isopropyl alcohol from the medicine cabinet. Is that water or wax? g I just made a jar of SuperBlonde from the flakes I got from those olden times when O'Deen was de King of Sheelack. There is NO wax, no bug parts, just nice shellac. ----------------------------------------------------------------- When I die, I'm leaving my body to science fiction. --Steven Wright ---------------------------- http://diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development |
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:41:41 -0500, Hax Planks
wrote: I've been trying to dewax a quart can of this stuff for a couple weeks now. It looks like the best I will be able to do is to get 50% dewaxed product from it, and that is being generous. The Flexner book says to expect 5% wax. They must be decanting the dewaxed portion off to make Seal Coat and spray bombs and selling what's left to suckers (like me) as regular shellac. What a gyp. It still makes for a really nice finish, regardless. Aut inveniam viam aut faciam |
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Larry Jaques says...
Maybe you shouldn't have use that jug of 70% isopropyl alcohol from the medicine cabinet. Is that water or wax? g I didn't try to thin it before trying to get it to settle out. I would never use drug store IPA to try to thin shellac. I did thin some with denatured alcohol and it did make it worse. |
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