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Short Logs need Employment
In Kansas City, Missouri, after ice storms and on other occasions too,
the city opens a yard http://www.kcmo.org/environ.nsf/web/...2?opendocument where without cost you can drop off brush (branches, logs, and leaves, but nothing else). Right now it's open because there was a recent ice storm. If you want, you can *take away* anything there for free. The city gives away firewood and converts some of the brush to mulch and gives that away too. Naturally, a lot of what makes up the pile are short logs. These are an assortment, but many are a foot in diameter and about two feet long, thereabouts. Easily, you can pick up thousands of logs with these dimensions. Is there any possible use for this wood? -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:30:27 GMT, "Nehmo Sergheyev"
wrote: In Kansas City, Missouri, after ice storms and on other occasions too, the city opens a yard http://www.kcmo.org/environ.nsf/web/...2?opendocument where without cost you can drop off brush (branches, logs, and leaves, but nothing else). Right now it's open because there was a recent ice storm. If you want, you can *take away* anything there for free. The city gives away firewood and converts some of the brush to mulch and gives that away too. Naturally, a lot of what makes up the pile are short logs. These are an assortment, but many are a foot in diameter and about two feet long, thereabouts. Easily, you can pick up thousands of logs with these dimensions. Is there any possible use for this wood? Offhand I can think of a couple of hundred or so uses for wood like this. We don't get ice storms around here, but we do get pretty good winds that tend to take down trees. A lot of people collect the cut-up pieces for carving, turning, etc. They'd also be nice for cutting into lumber for jewelry boxes and other small projects. And if you go through the pile, I'll bet you'll find some stumps (where the whole tree was uprooted) with really nice figure. --RC --RC "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets fly with a club. -- John W. Cambell Jr. |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:30:27 GMT, "Nehmo Sergheyev"
wrote: In Kansas City, Missouri, after ice storms and on other occasions too, the city opens a yard http://www.kcmo.org/environ.nsf/web/...2?opendocument where without cost you can drop off brush (branches, logs, and leaves, but nothing else). Right now it's open because there was a recent ice storm. If you want, you can *take away* anything there for free. The city gives away firewood and converts some of the brush to mulch and gives that away too. Naturally, a lot of what makes up the pile are short logs. These are an assortment, but many are a foot in diameter and about two feet long, thereabouts. Easily, you can pick up thousands of logs with these dimensions. Is there any possible use for this wood? if they're green wood, and recently cut, you might find some stuff there for turning. |
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- bridger -
if they're green wood, and recently cut, you might find some stuff there for turning. - Nehmo - I don't have a lathe, but it looks like making bowls is fun: http://www.customwooddesign.com/turninggreenwood-1.html I didn't know you could use green wood that way. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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- deanbrown3d -
Sounds just right for a furnace! Give them to me  - Nehmo - If you pay shipping... As I mentioned, Kansas City does give away this wood for fuel, even though much of it is green. Some municipality in New Jersey may do the same as Kansas City. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 07:54:18 GMT, "Nehmo Sergheyev"
wrote: - bridger - if they're green wood, and recently cut, you might find some stuff there for turning. - Nehmo - I don't have a lathe, but it looks like making bowls is fun: http://www.customwooddesign.com/turninggreenwood-1.html I didn't know you could use green wood that way. You don't need a lathe for making bowls. Just gouge them out freeform. I use a sculptor's adze (bowlmaker's adze would be better), scorp, and woodcarver's tools. You could also cheat and use a Lancelot tool and a router for a lot of it. My way is time-consuming, but fun, especially in green wood. --RC "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets fly with a club. -- John W. Cambell Jr. |
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- Larry Caldwell -
Sounds like a shake bolt to me, though a good shake bolt is more like 2' in diameter. - Nehmo – I had to look that up: http://www.emr.gov.yk.ca/forestry/in...g_glossary.pdf Bolt - Any short log specially cut to length, usually for the manufacture of a specific product (e.g., shake bolt). So you're suggesting getting the cedar logs and making shake. - Larry Caldwell - Are any of them cedar? - Nehmo – There's plenty of everything, including cedar, that grows here. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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In article , nehmo54
@hotmail.com (Nehmo Sergheyev) says... - Larry Caldwell - Sounds like a shake bolt to me, though a good shake bolt is more like 2' in diameter. - Nehmo – I had to look that up: http://www.emr.gov.yk.ca/forestry/in...g_glossary.pdf Bolt - Any short log specially cut to length, usually for the manufacture of a specific product (e.g., shake bolt). So you're suggesting getting the cedar logs and making shake. Naw, you wanted to know if there was any specific use for 2' lengths of log. That's one. You have to pay attention cutting shake bolts. You need clear wood, because knots will leak. A shake bolt is the length of clear wood between limb rings. - Larry Caldwell - Are any of them cedar? - Nehmo – There's plenty of everything, including cedar, that grows here. You might get yourself a mallet and froe and see what comes out. In the old days, pioneers would split their own shakes any time the house needed a roof. -- http://home.teleport.com/~larryc |
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Larry Caldwell wrote:
..... ... pioneers would split their own shakes any time the house needed a roof. No, out here they hitched up the team and turned over more sod... |
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In a previous post Larry Caldwell says...
You might get yourself a mallet and froe and see what comes out. In the old days, pioneers would split their own shakes any time the house needed a roof. Hand splitting enough shakes to do a full roof is a lot of hard work. Might be better to take the "bolts" to a shake mill and trade them in for already split shakes. You will have to give them some cash, but not as much as if you bought the shakes from a lumber yard. -- Bob Morrison, PE, SE R L Morrison Engineering Co Structural & Civil Engineering Poulsbo WA |
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote: - bridger - if they're green wood, and recently cut, you might find some stuff there for turning. - Nehmo - I don't have a lathe, but it looks like making bowls is fun: http://www.customwooddesign.com/turninggreenwood-1.html I didn't know you could use green wood that way. We have quite a number of home turned bowls from one of my wife's cousins. He always laughs because it's obvious the bowls he made when patience was lacking and he couldn't wait any longer for the wood to dry. They're the ones with the most personality though. He says he's been pretty lucky and doesn't lose very many to cracking. |
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Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article , (Duane Bozarth) says... Larry Caldwell wrote: .... ... pioneers would split their own shakes any time the house needed a roof. No, out here they hitched up the team and turned over more sod... Those weren't pioneers, they were tourists, just passing through. Nobody lives there any more... Not us...we been here since the plow...that's a lot later than some other places, but no miners here.. The prairie states are approaching unsettled population density. Some things are to be thankful for... At least now that the buffalo are gone, Well, actually, they aren't quite gone...quite an industry, actually. Not as large as beef or pork, but not inconsequential... ...they can grow trees. Nope...never were trees and if it were to go back to fully unsettled, the ones here would be gone after the first grass fire, never to be re-established owing to arid climate and repetitive fires. |
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Duane Bozarth wrote:
Larry Caldwell wrote: In article , (Duane Bozarth) says... Larry Caldwell wrote: .... ... pioneers would split their own shakes any time the house needed a roof. No, out here they hitched up the team and turned over more sod... Those weren't pioneers, they were tourists, just passing through. Nobody lives there any more... Not us...we been here since the plow...that's a lot later than some other places, but no miners here.. The prairie states are approaching unsettled population density. Some things are to be thankful for... At least now that the buffalo are gone, Well, actually, they aren't quite gone...quite an industry, actually. Not as large as beef or pork, but not inconsequential... ...they can grow trees. Nope...never were trees and if it were to go back to fully unsettled, the ones here would be gone after the first grass fire, never to be re-established owing to arid climate and repetitive fires. And, IIRC, the eastern forests had buffalo. |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:59:21 -0800, fredfighte wrote:
There were the bison of the Great Plains and the woods buffalo. I think that buffalo lived (and mabe still do) as far east as Quebec, but I'm not sure how far south they lived in the Eastern US. None north of the Great Lakes so not in Quebec & Ontario. As far south as northern Florida and the Gulf of Mexico coast. They lived mostly west of the Appalachians, but they reached the Atlantic in Georgia and Florida. For a map: http://www.bisoncentral.com/history/map.asp -- Luigi Current real email is my first name in lower case while the domain is yknet dot ca www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/humour.html www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/antifaq.html |
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
.... And, IIRC, the eastern forests had buffalo. Not very eastern, anyway...I think east of the Mississippi there were essentially unknown--although that may be more 8th grade history/geography than real...interesting question, I'll have to look into that. Where do you mean/are you thinking of by "eastern" forests? |
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Duane Bozarth wrote: Lobby Dosser wrote: ... And, IIRC, the eastern forests had buffalo. Not very eastern, anyway...I think east of the Mississippi there were essentially unknown--although that may be more 8th grade history/geography than real...interesting question, I'll have to look into that. Where do you mean/are you thinking of by "eastern" forests? There were the bison of the Great Plains and the woods buffalo. I think that buffalo lived (and mabe still do) as far east as Quebec, but I'm not sure how far south they lived in the Eastern US. -- FF |
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Luigi Zanasi wrote:
.... None north of the Great Lakes so not in Quebec & Ontario. As far south as northern Florida and the Gulf of Mexico coast. They lived mostly west of the Appalachians, but they reached the Atlantic in Georgia and Florida. For a map: http://www.bisoncentral.com/history/map.asp Cool! Thanks...would been really neat if they had differentiated the subspecies on the range map...being on western High Plains, I tend think only of the Plains variety. |
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In article ,
(Duane Bozarth) says... ...they can grow trees. Nope...never were trees and if it were to go back to fully unsettled, the ones here would be gone after the first grass fire, never to be re-established owing to arid climate and repetitive fires. Oh yeah, I forgot. Out here in the west, our trees don't burn. NOT! The only reason the prairie wasn't wall to wall timber was that the buffalo killed all the trees. You should see them around a tree sometime. They hate trees. If they can't shove them over, they dig the roots up or peel the bark off. You should take a look at the oak savannah prevalent on much of the west coast. It's drought adapted, and depends on frequent fires for its survival. I also have trouble thinking of someplace that grows grass as arid. It takes a lot of water to grow grass. There is a mini-ecological crisis going on right now in the prairie states, where trees are encroaching on any land that is not under the plow. Do a google on "trees encroaching prairie" (without the quotes) and see what pops up. It makes interesting reading. The buffalo created the prairie. Without them, it will not survive. -- http://home.teleport.com/~larryc |
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Larry Caldwell wrote:
The only reason the prairie wasn't wall to wall timber was that the buffalo killed all the trees. You should see them around a tree sometime. They hate trees. If they can't shove them over, they dig the roots up or peel the bark off. There were Woodland Buffalo living on the east coast at one time. |
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Larry Caldwell wrote:
The buffalo created the prairie. Without them, it will not survive. How do you explain similar habitats on other continents? |
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Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article , (Duane Bozarth) says... ...they can grow trees. Nope...never were trees and if it were to go back to fully unsettled, the ones here would be gone after the first grass fire, never to be re-established owing to arid climate and repetitive fires. Oh yeah, I forgot. Out here in the west, our trees don't burn. NOT! Yes, but fire isn't/wasn't as prevalent/frequent on specific piece of ground as in the prairies. With the flat unrestricted plains, estimates were that any given area burned on the average of every 5-10 years. Fire isn't the only cause, much of it is the soil pH is not particularly suited for trees' benefit and the continuous wind contributes as well to stunting growth of those which do survive. All in all, it isn't a very good place to be a tree. The only reason the prairie wasn't wall to wall timber was that the buffalo killed all the trees. You should see them around a tree sometime. They hate trees. If they can't shove them over, they dig the roots up or peel the bark off. You should see them lounging in the shade of those around some of the water holes enjoying the shade on a hot summer day... They do, like elephants, enjoy a good pushing contest, though, you're right. Corral fences are a challenge. .... ...I also have trouble thinking of someplace that grows grass as arid. It takes a lot of water to grow grass. Depends of the type of grass, naturally as well as the soil. The sandy soil will support much more vegetation on minimal rainfall than heavier soils. If we had clay soils of the type in much of the east, it would be near-desert. There is a mini-ecological crisis going on right now in the prairie states, where trees are encroaching on any land that is not under the plow. ... Don't have to google, can look out my window... 'Tis true, but as noted, a good burn will fix it. The prime difference is twofold--first, early settlers and particularly in the Dust Bowl days, farmers planted trees around their farmsteads and thousands of miles of windbreaks. These now propogate w/ the aid of birds, etc., and some can get established. Particularly bad are the red cedar and tamarisk. Problems are, of course, enhanced the farther east one goes as rainfall goes up and wind goes down. |
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In article ALkHd.6878$IP6.3572@trnddc05,
(Lobby Dosser) says... Larry Caldwell wrote: The buffalo created the prairie. Without them, it will not survive. How do you explain similar habitats on other continents? What similar? The American Prairie is unique in the world. -- http://home.teleport.com/~larryc |
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Larry Caldwell wrote:
How do you explain similar habitats on other continents? What similar? The American Prairie is unique in the world. I think he was referring to the pampas of Argentina, the savannah of Africa, the steppes of Russia, maybe other similar that I'm forgetting. He said similar, not identical. They're all places naturally devoid of trees. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ |
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Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ALkHd.6878$IP6.3572@trnddc05, (Lobby Dosser) says... Larry Caldwell wrote: The buffalo created the prairie. Without them, it will not survive. How do you explain similar habitats on other continents? What similar? The American Prairie is unique in the world. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/geographyaction/habitats/prairies.html Every continent except Antartica. |
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Duane Bozarth wrote: Larry Caldwell wrote: In article , (Duane Bozarth) says... ...they can grow trees. Nope...never were trees and if it were to go back to fully unsettled, the ones here would be gone after the first grass fire, never to be re-established owing to arid climate and repetitive fires. Oh yeah, I forgot. Out here in the west, our trees don't burn. NOT! Yes, but fire isn't/wasn't as prevalent/frequent on specific piece of ground as in the prairies. With the flat unrestricted plains, estimates were that any given area burned on the average of every 5-10 years. Fire isn't the only cause, much of it is the soil pH is not particularly suited for trees' benefit and the continuous wind contributes as well to stunting growth of those which do survive. All in all, it isn't a very good place to be a tree. The only reason the prairie wasn't wall to wall timber was that the buffalo killed all the trees. You should see them around a tree sometime. They hate trees. If they can't shove them over, they dig the roots up or peel the bark off. You should see them lounging in the shade of those around some of the water holes enjoying the shade on a hot summer day... They do, like elephants, enjoy a good pushing contest, though, you're right. Corral fences are a challenge. ... ...I also have trouble thinking of someplace that grows grass as arid. It takes a lot of water to grow grass. Depends of the type of grass, naturally as well as the soil. The sandy soil will support much more vegetation on minimal rainfall than heavier soils. If we had clay soils of the type in much of the east, it would be near-desert. There is a mini-ecological crisis going on right now in the prairie states, where trees are encroaching on any land that is not under the plow. ... Don't have to google, can look out my window... 'Tis true, but as noted, a good burn will fix it. The prime difference is twofold--first, early settlers and particularly in the Dust Bowl days, farmers planted trees around their farmsteads and thousands of miles of windbreaks. These now propogate w/ the aid of birds, etc., and some can get established. Particularly bad are the red cedar and tamarisk. Problems are, of course, enhanced the farther east one goes as rainfall goes up and wind goes down. Duane, where you at? I grew up in ND and spent a lot of time in and out of those mile long shelter belts planted back in Dust Bown Days. Every time I go back home it seems more and more of them are dieing off. Guess they've hit the end of their life. Have you ever seen a map of the country showing where the Federal Gov't helped the farmers plant shelterbelts? National Geo did an article years ago. It's a strip, maybe a couple hundred miles wide, at most, running from the Canadian Border to Oklahoma or Texas or somewhere's down there. Amazing to think about when looked at from that scale. Driving east west across ND you can almost see the line, on either side, by the sharp decrease in the number of old shelter belts. In later years more trees were planted closer up around the buildings with less and less out in the fields. When I was spending summers on a tractor, in the 60's, many farms had a single row of trees every few hundred yards across the fields. But when prices for wheat went sky high for a few years those trees went and the wheat was planted right up the sides of the road ditches. Maximum yield. |
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:
snip Naturally, a lot of what makes up the pile are short logs. These are an assortment, but many are a foot in diameter and about two feet long, thereabouts. Easily, you can pick up thousands of logs with these dimensions. Is there any possible use for this wood? Head on over to a.b.p.w and look for "From One, Many" - what you can do with fire place size split - wait for it - Black Walnut As a respondent noted, a metal detector is a necessity when resawing logettes from unknow sources. Fortunately, the paddle type metal detectors are becoming reasonably priced. And you don't need a wide blade to turn mini-logs into useable wood. A 1/2", 3 tpi hook tooth will do the job. A decent, adjustable to the blade lead angle, fence is a must though. Think - bookmatched drawer faces, jewerly boxes, small panels ... Wood - a terrible thing to waste. charlie b |
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:
snip Naturally, a lot of what makes up the pile are short logs. These are an assortment, but many are a foot in diameter and about two feet long, thereabouts. Easily, you can pick up thousands of logs with these dimensions. Is there any possible use for this wood? Head on over to a.b.p.w and look for "From One, Many" - what you can do with fire place size split - wait for it Black Walnut As a respondent noted, a metal detector is a necessity when resawing logettes from unknow sources. Fortunately, the paddle type metal detectors are becoming reasonably priced. And you don't need a wide blade to turn mini-logs into useable wood. A 1/2", 3 tpi hook tooth will do the job. A decent, adjustable to the blade lead angle, fence is a must though. charlie b |
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- charlie b -
Head on over to a.b.p.w and look for "From One, Many" - what you can do with fire place size split - wait for it Black Walnut As a respondent noted, a metal detector is a necessity when resawing logettes from unknow sources. Fortunately, the paddle type metal detectors are becoming reasonably priced. And you don't need a wide blade to turn mini-logs into useable wood. A 1/2", 3 tpi hook tooth will do the job. A decent, adjustable to the blade lead angle, fence is a must though. - Nehmo - I went to news:alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking , but couldn't find the subject line. You say wait, so I will. I assume you're saying it's not posted yet. -- ********************* * Nehmo Sergheyev * ********************* |
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:
I went to news:alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking , but couldn't find the subject line. You say wait, so I will. I assume you're saying it's not posted yet. It's still there as of 12:32 am PST 1/22/05 If you can't find it I'll e-mail the images. Am working on some illustrations of the process to go from split log to bandsawn boards ready to sticker. Will put more resawing stuff on my WWing site in a day or two. |
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Nehmo Sergheyev wrote:
I went to news:alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking , but couldn't find the subject line. You say wait, so I will. I assume you're saying it's not posted yet. Just finished putting up some pages on bandsawing mini-logs/ split firewood. Here's the page with the black walnut chunk I just sliced up. You can back up to the "how to" and further back to making a resaw fence and larger table top. http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Resawing3.html The next page goes over edge joining a pair of bookmatched boards with a hand plane. If you orient the parts right the joined edges don't have to be square to the faces of the boards. The bandsaw is one versatile (sp?) machine. Though I didn't know what I'd do with it I got the LT16SEC because the deal was too good to pass up - $1100 total, delivered to my shop floor. With a 2.5 hp TEFC motor it's never bogged down. (Drive by Neener) charlie b |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:49:35 -0800, charlie b
wrote: Just finished putting up some pages on bandsawing mini-logs/ split firewood. Here's the page with the black walnut chunk I just sliced up. You can back up to the "how to" and further back to making a resaw fence and larger table top. http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Resawing3.html The next page goes over edge joining a pair of bookmatched boards with a hand plane. If you orient the parts right the joined edges don't have to be square to the faces of the boards. The bandsaw is one versatile (sp?) machine. Though I didn't know what I'd do with it I got the LT16SEC because the deal was too good to pass up - $1100 total, delivered to my shop floor. With a 2.5 hp TEFC motor it's never bogged down. (Drive by Neener) charlie b Inspiring. Thanks Charlie. "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets fly with a club. -- John W. Cambell Jr. |
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:49:15 GMT, "Nehmo Sergheyev" wrote:
I live south of the KC Metro. This morning I took pics of the free lumber and a tool. Maybe, one of these days I might even find a router of TS among the free mulch and lumber :-). As I mentioned, Kansas City does give away this wood for fuel, even though much of it is green. Some municipality in New Jersey may do the same as Kansas City. |
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