GregP wrote:

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:4worry0600, "Swingman" wrote:

I can
guarantee cell phones are at least one source of your "peace of mind" when
you can't physically be there to protect them, and the older they get, the
less often that is..

Ain't that the truth ! And you never stop worrying,
and every time the phone rings in the middle of
the night, you dread what you might hear from
the other end.

I don't have any kids yet, but my wife worries me sick some times. just
before Christmas she and a friend went shoping after work and she didn't
get home until 12:30, with no call, nothing! and she didn't understand why
I was so upset and worried. her statement was "I'm an adult and you do it
to", then she got ****ed when I explained that I'm 6'2", 270lbs, a guy, and
more offten then not carring a sidearm. the fact that I'm over 30% bigger,
a lot stronger, and not the preferred genter of most of the predictors out
there, and I still carry a weapon didn't mean anything. she has a pager
but she never carries it.

Granted the Boise area isn't really a dangerous place to live, but over
the years we've had a number of women attacked, and some killed, down by
the green belt, and in the down town area, and a couple of teens raped in
the Bench area of town. Call me paranoid but the very thought that we
would be in a position to be victimized scares the hell out of me.

Yep. Can't imagine *anyone* messing with two of 'em. Mine is only about 85
pounds, but with all the fur, he looks like a small bear (I've actually had
the neighbors call the local cops a coupla times to report a small "bear" in
the woods).

Anyone that tries to get near my daughter (she's 5 1/2 now) without my
giving the OK is going to have to get through a big, friendly, but very
possesive "bear"...... I trained (had him since he was 8 weeks old), and *I*
wouldn't want to cross him....

-JD

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

Ah, so it's a "not active criminal" type, rather than a "not a
criminal". Gotcha. Cause that's kind of a "yes or no" question
rather than a "used to be" type of thing.

Wanna play gotca, There really is no such thing as an ex-convict either.
Once convivted of an offence you are a convict.

In article ,
"j.duprie" wrote:

Yep. Can't imagine *anyone* messing with two of 'em. Mine is only about 85
pounds, but with all the fur, he looks like a small bear (I've actually had
the neighbors call the local cops a coupla times to report a small "bear" in
the woods).

Anyone that tries to get near my daughter (she's 5 1/2 now) without my
giving the OK is going to have to get through a big, friendly, but very
possesive "bear"...... I trained (had him since he was 8 weeks old), and *I*
wouldn't want to cross him....

-JD



And what is so amazing about those dogs, is that they don't show up on
insurance radar dog bites. A very rare event.
When one gets on his hind legs and lets of a roar..... the end result is
always the same---- you leave a trail...

=0)

mac davis wrote:

I think that cell phones may be a deterrent, if the scumbag sees the
phone before trying the bad deed..

Doesn't work that way, makes them a target....

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:11:16 -0500, Silvan
calmly ranted:

wrote:

I don't want to make you paranoid, but your daughter is coming into
the prime years as a target for child molesters -- old enough to be
interesting to most of them and still young enough to be naive and
relatively defenseless.

Don't wait until your child is 11 to get worried about child molesters.

I was only three. THREE.

So, who did you molest at that young age?


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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:01:21 -0700, Doug Winterburn
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:51:19 +0000, Dave Hinz wrote:


Fortunately, this isn't at all uncommon. According to national
statistics something like two-thirds of offenders choose not to
re-offend after each incareration. They serve their time, finish out
their parole and move on to other things.

It's the 1/3 who keep doing it that are more of a problem, though.

I remember reading that 80% of violent crimes are committed by repeat
offenders. Aren't statistics wonderful.

- Doug

Actually there's no conflict in the numbers at all.
First, as another poster pointed out, the ones who keep re-offending
in spite of repeated incarcerations are increasingly dangerous. By the
time you get someone who's done three or four stretches you've got
someone who is _real_ dangerous.

Second, most criminals manage to commit a lot of crimes before they're
caught, even for the second or third time.

--RC

"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.

In article , wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:11:16 -0500, Silvan
calmly ranted:

wrote:

I don't want to make you paranoid, but your daughter is coming into
the prime years as a target for child molesters -- old enough to be
interesting to most of them and still young enough to be naive and
relatively defenseless.

Don't wait until your child is 11 to get worried about child molesters.

I was only three. THREE.

So, who did you molest at that young age?

That wasn't funny, Larry.


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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:01:21 -0700, Doug Winterburn
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:51:19 +0000, Dave Hinz wrote:


Fortunately, this isn't at all uncommon. According to national
statistics something like two-thirds of offenders choose not to
re-offend after each incareration. They serve their time, finish out
their parole and move on to other things.

It's the 1/3 who keep doing it that are more of a problem, though.

I remember reading that 80% of violent crimes are committed by repeat
offenders. Aren't statistics wonderful.

- Doug

great argument for the death penalty.. very few repeat offenders..


mac

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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:31:26 GMT, Badger
wrote:



mac davis wrote:

I think that cell phones may be a deterrent, if the scumbag sees the
phone before trying the bad deed..

Doesn't work that way, makes them a target....

if they're using it?
I guess I don't have a criminal mind.. lol

I think the last person that i'd mess with is someone who could dial
911 in a hurry..


mac

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Robatoy wrote:

I was only three. THREE.

That identifies a huge problem. Just because *I* can't get my head
around WHY/HOW in God's name anybody could do such a thing, doesn't mean
some sick **** feels the same way I do.

I'm here to tell you there are some sick, sick ****s in the world.

I guess I don't want to get into all the psycho hoosaflooja after all, and
want to go back to keeping this skeleton in my closet. I've really said
more than I'm comfortable with already, and kind of wish I hadn't sent that
earlier message for google to remember until the end of civilization.

I've dredged up all kinds of **** that's best not thought about. My
underlying point is that no age is too young to be a target for these,
well, whatever hell spawn these foul monsters are. They're not human.

They need to die. **** rehabilitation. They need to DIE.

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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:59:13 -0800, mac davis
calmly ranted:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:31:26 GMT, Badger
wrote:

mac davis wrote:

I think that cell phones may be a deterrent, if the scumbag sees the
phone before trying the bad deed..

Doesn't work that way, makes them a target....

if they're using it?
I guess I don't have a criminal mind.. lol

I think the last person that i'd mess with is someone who could dial
911 in a hurry..

Check the stats on false 911 calls and busy times for 911 some time,
mac. The system is overburdened and response time (if responded to)
is not at all what it should be.

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Check the stats on false 911 calls and busy times for 911 some time,
mac. The system is overburdened and response time (if responded to)
is not at all what it should be.

Many police stations actually have telephones installed these days, and you
can even store that number in a cell phone's speed dial ... imagine that.

Think positive instead of negative ... just do _something_.

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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:41:37 -0500, Silvan wrote:

They need to die. **** rehabilitation. They need to DIE.

You know, Silvan, if we try hard enough, I'm sure we could
eventually find something that you and I disagree on. But it hasn't
happened yet.

Dave Hinz

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:41:37 -0500, Silvan
wrote:

They need to die. **** rehabilitation. They need to DIE.

You know, Silvan, if we try hard enough, I'm sure we could
eventually find something that you and I disagree on. But it hasn't
happened yet.


I'm sure you are up to that task all by your self.. LOL

============

Someone said:
My underlying point is that no age is too young to be a target

Tragically, that age is not a factor is horrifically true. Here, the age
of three was mentioned; however, victims are too often even younger. Many
of those young victims also lose their lives.

=============

Someone else had said:
So, who
...
young age?

There is NEVER anything funny about a child (or anyone) being a victim of
such horror.

When people make "jokes" about things, some sick minds interpret that as
acceptance, not to mention the potential harm to those who have been
victims. Shame on you! I would hope an apology (sincere one) is
forthcoming.

=========

Glenna

Glenna notes:

Someone said:
My underlying point is that no age is too young to be a target

Tragically, that age is not a factor is horrifically true. Here, the age
of three was mentioned; however, victims are too often even younger. Many
of those young victims also lose their lives.

A couple years ago, I think it was, a Roanoke guy (could have been Lynchburg or
a surrounding county or town) was arrested and tried for molesting a two year
old child. His comment: she came on to me. I don't recall his age, but
somewhere in the 20s comes to mind. His girlfriend's child, IIRC.

WTF kind of sick mind is that?

Charlie Self
"A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to
the ground." H. L. Mencken

In article ,
Silvan wrote:

Robatoy wrote:

I was only three. THREE.

That identifies a huge problem. Just because *I* can't get my head
around WHY/HOW in God's name anybody could do such a thing, doesn't mean
some sick **** feels the same way I do.

I'm here to tell you there are some sick, sick ****s in the world.

I guess I don't want to get into all the psycho hoosaflooja after all, and
want to go back to keeping this skeleton in my closet. I've really said
more than I'm comfortable with already, and kind of wish I hadn't sent that
earlier message for google to remember until the end of civilization.

If ONE Google search ends up on somebody's screen who decides to get up
that little extra bit of courage to report that uncle/neighbour/teacher
who has been abusing him/her for the last several weeks/months.... it
will have been worth it. (That's easy for *me* to say, huh?)

I've dredged up all kinds of **** that's best not thought about. My
underlying point is that no age is too young to be a target for these,
well, whatever hell spawn these foul monsters are. They're not human.

They need to die. **** rehabilitation. They need to DIE.

Yabbut...yabbut...then you'd create all these fights as to who would get
to carve the scumbag up! I'd say a lottery.. the winner of all the
parents of all abused children get to have their wish...a weekly
draw..till we're caught up with the backlog.

EG

Robatoy wrote:
In article , Silvan
wrote:

I've dredged up all kinds of **** that's best not thought
about. My underlying point is that no age is too young to
be a target for these, well, whatever hell spawn these foul
monsters are. They're not human.

It /must/ be thought about - and talked about. It's astonishingly
common - a Minnesota study found that almost one in every five
females was sexually abused in her own home before age eighteen.

Nearly always, the abuser was first on the receiving end. That's
not an excuse; but the problem's deeper than most people seem to
believe.

They need to die. **** rehabilitation. They need to DIE.

You may be more right than you know - but for different reasons.
Most were themselves abused before becoming abusers.

My understanding is that the abused most often [1] live their
lives in perpetual fear of what else might be done to them,
especially by anyone with whom they have a love relationship, [2]
live with chronic depression (anger turned inward by good souls
who choose not to punish the world), [3] turn their anger outward
to punish either those they might love and trust or, if the anger
is sufficiently intense, to punish the entire world (this is the
group that is most likely to become a next-generation abuser), or
[4] successfully deal with all of the issues and get on with a
more or less normal life.

Group [1] are lost souls because they flee even those who would
help them (perhaps /especially/ those who would help), Group [2]
are the most likely to suicide. They're the ones who /feel/ the
need to die. Group [3] are the ones we most often hear about
because they're the ones most likely to visit their anger on
others. I've been told that fewer than one in a million manage [4].

Yabbut...yabbut...then you'd create all these fights as to who
would get to carve the scumbag up! I'd say a lottery.. the
winner of all the parents of all abused children get to have
their wish...a weekly draw..till we're caught up with the
backlog.

Yabbut...we'd get a lot farther toward solving the problem if we
managed somehow to break the chain of abuse /before/ it's passed
on. Retribution may be gratifying; but it doesn't *solve* the
problem - because it doesn't undo the abuse.

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mac davis wrote:
I think that cell phones may be a deterrent, if the scumbag sees the
phone before trying the bad deed..

Doesn't work that way, makes them a target....

if they're using it?
I guess I don't have a criminal mind.. lol

I think the last person that i'd mess with is someone who could dial
911 in a hurry..

They (the potential target) can be distracted using a phone, worse the
response to the call can take far too long, assuming the caller gets
through, during the initial phase of an attack total awareness of what,
where, who can make the most difference, phone calls come later.
Added to that a mobile phone is a saleable commodity, that makes it and
the owner a target.

Living in a country where having the means of self defence is an offence
and carrying a phone was first promoted as a safety item, only to have
the advice changed to keeping anything of value concealed (i.e.phone.
Because it increases the likelyhood of robbery, with
violence/abduction/killing for resisting/elimination of a witness as a
potential outcome. I would promote carrying one out of sight, but not to
rely on it!

Another thing that came up was about dogs, one very successful rapist
targeted dog walkers, not small dogs mind, GSDs and the like, few
socialised dogs will change into "attack" dogs....

Niel, in the disarmed UK.