.... and drill them constantly in the steps they need to do to react to
danger and protect themselves against abduction!

Our family dodged a bullet last night.

My 19 year old daughter, taking care of an across the street neighbor's dog
while they are out of town for the holidays, was the subject of an attempted
abduction around 9:30 last evening.

I won't go into details, but suffice it to say that she got to spend last
night in her own bed in part because she had been drilled countless times on
ALWAYS being aware of her surrounding, the fact that we had gone over, many
times, with her the steps to take if she felt in any danger, AND the fact
that she had the local police number on her cell phone speed dial.

Luck, and our previous precautions, were on our side last night .. and it
took both!

If you haven't already done so, do something similar for your kids, TONIGHT!

I am still shaking with relief and anger (and, when I can think about it, a
bit of pride in her coolheaded response) ... which may explain why I am so
touchy this morning ... but for your kid's sake, please take this to heart
immediately!

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In article , "Swingman" wrote:
.... and drill them constantly in the steps they need to do to react to
danger and protect themselves against abduction!

Our family dodged a bullet last night.

My 19 year old daughter, taking care of an across the street neighbor's dog
while they are out of town for the holidays, was the subject of an attempted
abduction around 9:30 last evening.

I won't go into details, but suffice it to say that she got to spend last
night in her own bed in part because she had been drilled countless times on
ALWAYS being aware of her surrounding, the fact that we had gone over, many
times, with her the steps to take if she felt in any danger, AND the fact
that she had the local police number on her cell phone speed dial.

Glad to hear your daughter is safe and sound. Your training paid off, didn't
it? Good job, dad.

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I've got a rope.
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Dave in Fairfax wrote:

Swingman wrote:
snip
Did they catch the *******?
I've got a rope.

Rope hell. I've got an extremely dull utility knife, and a ballpein hammer.

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In article ,
"Swingman" wrote:

... but for your kid's sake, please take this to heart
immediately!

I'm glad all turned out well. She's lucky to have a dad like you. I have
an 11-year daughter; she thinks she's 16. This is a quiet area. At
night, car doors and windows are often left open, lawn mowers (or
snowblowers) parked on the lawn, the odd open garage door. kids' bikes
(or skis..LOL) left outside... but not as relaxed as, say, even 5 years
ago.

We often get lured into this false sense of security and your reminder
is much appreciated.
Although by itself not enough, maybe 11 is not too young for a cell
phone?

Rob

0¿0

"Robatoy" wrote in message

I'm glad all turned out well. She's lucky to have a dad like you. I have
an 11-year daughter; she thinks she's 16. This is a quiet area. At
night, car doors and windows are often left open, lawn mowers (or
snowblowers) parked on the lawn, the odd open garage door. kids' bikes
(or skis..LOL) left outside... but not as relaxed as, say, even 5 years
ago.

Same here.

We often get lured into this false sense of security and your reminder
is much appreciated.

I hope so!

Although by itself not enough, maybe 11 is not too young for a cell
phone?

I surely don't believe so.

I wrote letters, and appeared before the local school board, right after
9/11 because of what I perceived as an outdated policy against cell phones
on the the local High School campus. Just possession of one in a backpack at
the time, turned off, was grounds for expulsion and confiscation.

My daughter was going to carry one and I dared anyone to "confiscate" it,
and flat out refused to sign the parent's portion of the Code of Conduct
concerning cell phones written by some idiot educrat.

I didn't see anybody else behind me the whole time I was making my feelings
known on this issue, but someone listened because the second semester that
same year the policy was changed so that possession was allowed as long as
they were not used on campus during normal school hours.

Sometimes if only takes one *sshole ... and I got that part down pat.

In any event, do you what you need to do to protect that young lady,
including a cell phone, IMO.

It may not be the whole solution, but it was key to survival last evening
.... and, after twelve years experience raising teenage daughters, I can
guarantee cell phones are at least one source of your "peace of mind" when
you can't physically be there to protect them, and the older they get, the
less often that is..

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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:46:51 -0600, "Swingman" wrote:

I can
guarantee cell phones are at least one source of your "peace of mind" when
you can't physically be there to protect them, and the older they get, the
less often that is..

Ain't that the truth ! And you never stop worrying,
and every time the phone rings in the middle of
the night, you dread what you might hear from
the other end.

"GregP" wrote in message
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:46:51 -0600, "Swingman" wrote:

I can
guarantee cell phones are at least one source of your "peace of mind"
when
you can't physically be there to protect them, and the older they get,
the
less often that is..

Ain't that the truth ! And you never stop worrying,

One half of a conversation, repeated countless times a month, and worth,
many times over, the monthly fee:

"Hi Dad, just wanted you to know that X and I are leaving Y and going to Z
...., I'll call you when we get there."

and every time the phone rings in the middle of
the night, you dread what you might hear from
the other end.

Yep. That one is hitting home, for the second time, now that the youngest is
away in college for nine months of the year

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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:06:47 -0600, "Swingman" wrote:


One half of a conversation, repeated countless times a month, and worth,
many times over, the monthly fee:

"Hi Dad, just wanted you to know that X and I are leaving Y and going to Z
..., I'll call you when we get there."

Ours are out of the house, one has a child of his own,
so we can't demand they check in that often :-)

GregP wrote:

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:4worry0600, "Swingman" wrote:

I can
guarantee cell phones are at least one source of your "peace of mind" when
you can't physically be there to protect them, and the older they get, the
less often that is..

Ain't that the truth ! And you never stop worrying,
and every time the phone rings in the middle of
the night, you dread what you might hear from
the other end.

I don't have any kids yet, but my wife worries me sick some times. just
before Christmas she and a friend went shoping after work and she didn't
get home until 12:30, with no call, nothing! and she didn't understand why
I was so upset and worried. her statement was "I'm an adult and you do it
to", then she got ****ed when I explained that I'm 6'2", 270lbs, a guy, and
more offten then not carring a sidearm. the fact that I'm over 30% bigger,
a lot stronger, and not the preferred genter of most of the predictors out
there, and I still carry a weapon didn't mean anything. she has a pager
but she never carries it.

Granted the Boise area isn't really a dangerous place to live, but over
the years we've had a number of women attacked, and some killed, down by
the green belt, and in the down town area, and a couple of teens raped in
the Bench area of town. Call me paranoid but the very thought that we
would be in a position to be victimized scares the hell out of me.

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 14:46:51 -0600, "Swingman" wrote:

"Robatoy" wrote in message

I'm glad all turned out well. She's lucky to have a dad like you. I have
an 11-year daughter; she thinks she's 16. This is a quiet area. At
night, car doors and windows are often left open, lawn mowers (or
snowblowers) parked on the lawn, the odd open garage door. kids' bikes
(or skis..LOL) left outside... but not as relaxed as, say, even 5 years
ago.

Same here.

We often get lured into this false sense of security and your reminder
is much appreciated.

I hope so!

Although by itself not enough, maybe 11 is not too young for a cell
phone?

I surely don't believe so.

I wrote letters, and appeared before the local school board, right after
9/11 because of what I perceived as an outdated policy against cell phones
on the the local High School campus. Just possession of one in a backpack at
the time, turned off, was grounds for expulsion and confiscation.

My daughter was going to carry one and I dared anyone to "confiscate" it,
and flat out refused to sign the parent's portion of the Code of Conduct
concerning cell phones written by some idiot educrat.

I didn't see anybody else behind me the whole time I was making my feelings
known on this issue, but someone listened because the second semester that
same year the policy was changed so that possession was allowed as long as
they were not used on campus during normal school hours.

Sometimes if only takes one *sshole ... and I got that part down pat.

Here's to the *sholes amongst us! They get things done.

--RC


"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.

In article ,
wrote:

Here's to the *sholes amongst us! They get things done.

You're fukkin' right.

In article ,
"Swingman" wrote:

In any event, do you what you need to do to protect that young lady,
including a cell phone, IMO.

We had an incident in the public washroom of the local mall, last Sunday.
Sexual abuse at knife point. In the Women's washroom, during shopping
hours, no less. I don't envy that prick when he gets busted.....and he
will.
So the topic was on the table.
Our young lady agreed to temporarily give up one of her dance classes to
take a 'street-proofing' course.
She lit up at the thought of having a cell phone. "COOOOL"

We are lucky to have an advantage here. One of our best family friends
is a forensic nurse, certified witness etc., for sexual assault and
domestic violence. Her brother is the Deputy Chief of Police in this
sleepy town of 75,000. So we're 'on it'.

This town is soooo sleepy, Michael Moore (and I am NOT getting into a
discussion what *I* think about him), featured our town and mayor in
Bowling For Columbine.

So we agree on a street proofing course.
A chat with our Nurse friend.
A chat with the Deputy.
A little young for a Derringer?

Rob

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:43:34 -0500, Robatoy
wrote:

In article ,
"Swingman" wrote:

... but for your kid's sake, please take this to heart
immediately!

I'm glad all turned out well. She's lucky to have a dad like you. I have
an 11-year daughter; she thinks she's 16. This is a quiet area. At
night, car doors and windows are often left open, lawn mowers (or
snowblowers) parked on the lawn, the odd open garage door. kids' bikes
(or skis..LOL) left outside... but not as relaxed as, say, even 5 years
ago.

We often get lured into this false sense of security and your reminder
is much appreciated.
Although by itself not enough, maybe 11 is not too young for a cell
phone?

Rob

0¿0

Eleven is definitely not too young for a cell phone. As well as a
long, serious talk about the dangers of human predators and how to
spot and avoid them.

I don't want to make you paranoid, but your daughter is coming into
the prime years as a target for child molesters -- old enough to be
interesting to most of them and still young enough to be naive and
relatively defenseless.

--RC

"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.

wrote:

I don't want to make you paranoid, but your daughter is coming into
the prime years as a target for child molesters -- old enough to be
interesting to most of them and still young enough to be naive and
relatively defenseless.

Don't wait until your child is 11 to get worried about child molesters.

I was only three. THREE.

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In article ,
Silvan wrote:

Don't wait until your child is 11 to get worried about child molesters.

I was only three. THREE.

That identifies a huge problem. Just because *I* can't get my head
around WHY/HOW in God's name anybody could do such a thing, doesn't mean
some sick **** feels the same way I do.
Our family friend (She's a forensic nurse specializing in sexual and
violent domestic crimes.) said to me last night: "Rob, you really don't
have any idea what I see in a day's work."

Guilty.

I'm 55. Maybe *I* need some street proofing too?

Robatoy wrote:

I was only three. THREE.

That identifies a huge problem. Just because *I* can't get my head
around WHY/HOW in God's name anybody could do such a thing, doesn't mean
some sick **** feels the same way I do.

I'm here to tell you there are some sick, sick ****s in the world.

I guess I don't want to get into all the psycho hoosaflooja after all, and
want to go back to keeping this skeleton in my closet. I've really said
more than I'm comfortable with already, and kind of wish I hadn't sent that
earlier message for google to remember until the end of civilization.

I've dredged up all kinds of **** that's best not thought about. My
underlying point is that no age is too young to be a target for these,
well, whatever hell spawn these foul monsters are. They're not human.

They need to die. **** rehabilitation. They need to DIE.

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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:11:16 -0500, Silvan
calmly ranted:

wrote:

I don't want to make you paranoid, but your daughter is coming into
the prime years as a target for child molesters -- old enough to be
interesting to most of them and still young enough to be naive and
relatively defenseless.

Don't wait until your child is 11 to get worried about child molesters.

I was only three. THREE.

So, who did you molest at that young age?


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In article , wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:11:16 -0500, Silvan
calmly ranted:

wrote:

I don't want to make you paranoid, but your daughter is coming into
the prime years as a target for child molesters -- old enough to be
interesting to most of them and still young enough to be naive and
relatively defenseless.

Don't wait until your child is 11 to get worried about child molesters.

I was only three. THREE.

So, who did you molest at that young age?

That wasn't funny, Larry.


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On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:43:34 -0500, Robatoy
wrote:

In article ,
"Swingman" wrote:

... but for your kid's sake, please take this to heart
immediately!

I'm glad all turned out well. She's lucky to have a dad like you. I have
an 11-year daughter; she thinks she's 16. This is a quiet area. At
night, car doors and windows are often left open, lawn mowers (or
snowblowers) parked on the lawn, the odd open garage door. kids' bikes
(or skis..LOL) left outside... but not as relaxed as, say, even 5 years
ago.

We often get lured into this false sense of security and your reminder
is much appreciated.
Although by itself not enough, maybe 11 is not too young for a cell
phone?

Rob

0¿0

Rob.. with family plans, a phone for an additional family member is
$20 a month.. (on Verizon, anyway)
Assuming that she won't lose it or spend 2,000 hours a month calling
her friends, I think it's a good idea to have her carry it.. in an
ACCESSABLE place..
If you need a phone in a hurry, digging it out of a backpack or duffle
bag doesn't do it.

I think that cell phones may be a deterrent, if the scumbag sees the
phone before trying the bad deed..


mac

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mac davis wrote:

I think that cell phones may be a deterrent, if the scumbag sees the
phone before trying the bad deed..

Doesn't work that way, makes them a target....

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:31:26 GMT, Badger
wrote:



mac davis wrote:

I think that cell phones may be a deterrent, if the scumbag sees the
phone before trying the bad deed..

Doesn't work that way, makes them a target....

if they're using it?
I guess I don't have a criminal mind.. lol

I think the last person that i'd mess with is someone who could dial
911 in a hurry..


mac

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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:59:13 -0800, mac davis
calmly ranted:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:31:26 GMT, Badger
wrote:

mac davis wrote:

I think that cell phones may be a deterrent, if the scumbag sees the
phone before trying the bad deed..

Doesn't work that way, makes them a target....

if they're using it?
I guess I don't have a criminal mind.. lol

I think the last person that i'd mess with is someone who could dial
911 in a hurry..

Check the stats on false 911 calls and busy times for 911 some time,
mac. The system is overburdened and response time (if responded to)
is not at all what it should be.

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mac davis wrote:
I think that cell phones may be a deterrent, if the scumbag sees the
phone before trying the bad deed..

Doesn't work that way, makes them a target....

if they're using it?
I guess I don't have a criminal mind.. lol

I think the last person that i'd mess with is someone who could dial
911 in a hurry..

They (the potential target) can be distracted using a phone, worse the
response to the call can take far too long, assuming the caller gets
through, during the initial phase of an attack total awareness of what,
where, who can make the most difference, phone calls come later.
Added to that a mobile phone is a saleable commodity, that makes it and
the owner a target.

Living in a country where having the means of self defence is an offence
and carrying a phone was first promoted as a safety item, only to have
the advice changed to keeping anything of value concealed (i.e.phone.
Because it increases the likelyhood of robbery, with
violence/abduction/killing for resisting/elimination of a witness as a
potential outcome. I would promote carrying one out of sight, but not to
rely on it!

Another thing that came up was about dogs, one very successful rapist
targeted dog walkers, not small dogs mind, GSDs and the like, few
socialised dogs will change into "attack" dogs....

Niel, in the disarmed UK.

"Swingman" wrote in message
...

Whew... And you and I were just talking about that last Wednesday when you
indicated that you want your kids to never drive anywhere alone...

"Leon" wrote in message

"Swingman" wrote in message

Whew... And you and I were just talking about that last Wednesday when you
indicated that you want your kids to never drive anywhere alone...

Leon, brother ... I can't tell you how close this was. Makes a grown man
want to cry!

Like I said, I'm still shaking.

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"Swingman" wrote in message
...
"Leon" wrote in message

"Swingman" wrote in message

Whew... And you and I were just talking about that last Wednesday when
you
indicated that you want your kids to never drive anywhere alone...

Leon, brother ... I can't tell you how close this was. Makes a grown man
want to cry!

Like I said, I'm still shaking.

However on the bright side Swingman, lessons like this really hit home with
what you warned your daughter about and she saw first hand that you cannot
be too careful.

Swingman wrote:

If you haven't already done so, do something similar for your
kids, TONIGHT!

Good job - to all of you!

I'm sorry it happened; and I hope the police find him.

The after-effects wear off slowly. I came home mid-day right
before Christmas and surprised a burglar here. He got away - the
police are still looking for him; and I'm still angry - angry
that he violated my home, angry at the powerless feeling that 40+
years age difference produced, and angry that he got away with
some of my SO's jewelery and the cash she'd tucked away for our
next vacation. I'm angry that he upset me enough to "lock'n'load"
and reassess everything in the house for its destructive
capability - and I'm more angry than anyone would ever understand
that he's made it almost impossibly difficult (for however short
a time) to be the gentle person I've always wanted and tried to be.

And I'm absolutely certain my home is nowhere near as precious to
me as your daughter is to you.

Remember to be gentle with each other until you've all gotten
past the really angry/scared stage. There's no point in letting
that guy spoil any more of your lives than he already has.

The rest of the year is bound to be better.

--
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DeSoto, Iowa USA
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"Morris Dovey" wrote in message

capability - and I'm more angry than anyone would ever understand
that he's made it almost impossibly difficult (for however short
a time) to be the gentle person I've always wanted and tried to be.

Man, I know EXACTLY what you mean.

And I'm absolutely certain my home is nowhere near as precious to
me as your daughter is to you.

Remember to be gentle with each other until you've all gotten
past the really angry/scared stage. There's no point in letting
that guy spoil any more of your lives than he already has.

Well said ... and many thanks for the reminder and sentiment!

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On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:02:16 -0600, "Swingman" wrote:

... and drill them constantly in the steps they need to do to react to
danger and protect themselves against abduction!

Our family dodged a bullet last night.

My 19 year old daughter, taking care of an across the street neighbor's dog
while they are out of town for the holidays, was the subject of an attempted
abduction around 9:30 last evening.

I won't go into details, but suffice it to say that she got to spend last
night in her own bed in part because she had been drilled countless times on
ALWAYS being aware of her surrounding, the fact that we had gone over, many
times, with her the steps to take if she felt in any danger, AND the fact
that she had the local police number on her cell phone speed dial.

Luck, and our previous precautions, were on our side last night .. and it
took both!

If you haven't already done so, do something similar for your kids, TONIGHT!

I am still shaking with relief and anger (and, when I can think about it, a
bit of pride in her coolheaded response) ... which may explain why I am so
touchy this morning ... but for your kid's sake, please take this to heart
immediately!

God that's awful!
I really sympathize with both your and your daughter. As a police
reporter I got to talk to the parents of a few kids who weren't that
well-drilled and cool-headed. Even second-hand those situations stay
with you for the rest of your life.

You said one thing in there I'd really like to emphasize: Situational
awareness. It's worth more than anything else (including a gun in your
purse/waistband) in the case of street crime.

In addition to the parents and victims, I also got to talk to some of
the perpetrators after they had 'gone straight'. I remember one
evening sitting in an all-night coffee shop until the sun rose and
getting a lesson in 'Mugging 101' from an ex heroin addict who had
been a specialist.

What all the ex-criminals agreed on was that selecting a victim is not
a random process any more than a lion stalking a herd of antelope
picks a target at random. They were all looking for a particular kind
of mark and one of the most important criteria was lack of awareness
about what is going on around them.

If you stay alert and in touch with your surroundings you're a lot
less likely to become a victim.

The other thing, of course, is to know the danger signs of a
situation. It sounds like your daughter did. You should be proud of
how well you trained your daughter.

--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.

wrote in message

You said one thing in there I'd really like to emphasize: Situational
awareness. It's worth more than anything else (including a gun in your
purse/waistband) in the case of street crime.

Thank you for the informative post.

I hated to bother the forum with more OT rants, but if just one other kid
can be as lucky because a parent gave it some thought... what the hell.

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Swingman wrote:
wrote in message

You said one thing in there I'd really like to emphasize:
Situational
awareness. It's worth more than anything else (including a gun in
your
purse/waistband) in the case of street crime.

Thank you for the informative post.

I hated to bother the forum with more OT rants, but if just one other
kid
can be as lucky because a parent gave it some thought... what the
hell.

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My kids are out and on their own, but two of three carry cell phones.
The male seems less likely to need one, anyway.

Your post is germane to any who have, or have had, kids.

A note on situational awareness: a T ball bat by each entry door is a
help, for the nerves even if it's never needed, it is innocuous
looking, and there is no problem with wall penetration.

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:39:27 GMT, wrote:

What all the ex-criminals agreed on was

Sorry, what exactly is an "ex-criminal"? Someone is either a
criminal, or they're not. Did you mean ex-convicts, maybe?

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:39:27 GMT,
wrote:

What all the ex-criminals agreed on was

Sorry, what exactly is an "ex-criminal"? Someone is either a
criminal, or they're not. Did you mean ex-convicts, maybe?


I think he meant ex-criminal. No longer a criminal are one that
participates in criminal activities. Regardless of whether you put your
shorts on with the brown in front or back is pointless. Most of us
understood.

On 4 Jan 2005 21:54:32 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:39:27 GMT, wrote:

What all the ex-criminals agreed on was

Sorry, what exactly is an "ex-criminal"? Someone is either a
criminal, or they're not. Did you mean ex-convicts, maybe?

I mean people who had nominally (and in most cases actually) 'gone
straight'. They weren't committing crimes in any more. (Now one of the
guys had been helped to his decision by the fact that he was confined
to a wheelchair after he tried to rob the wrong storeowner.) Most of
them were addicts who had their addiction at least temporarily under
control.

Fortunately, this isn't at all uncommon. According to national
statistics something like two-thirds of offenders choose not to
re-offend after each incareration. They serve their time, finish out
their parole and move on to other things.

Even among the ones that aren't imprisoned, studies indicate that for
most people, crime -- especially street crime -- is a temporary
activity. If they survive long enough most of them give it up.

Now, would I swear that any of those folks never committed another
crime? Not only no, but hell no! I'm sure some of them went back to
it. Further, the minority that continue to commit crimes after they've
been incarcerated a couple of times are extremely dangerous.

I wouldn't want any of these folks living across the street from me,
but the ones who were candid were a very valuable source of
information.

--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:38:28 GMT, wrote:
On 4 Jan 2005 21:54:32 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 21:39:27 GMT, wrote:

What all the ex-criminals agreed on was

Sorry, what exactly is an "ex-criminal"? Someone is either a
criminal, or they're not. Did you mean ex-convicts, maybe?

I mean people who had nominally (and in most cases actually) 'gone
straight'. They weren't committing crimes in any more.

Ah, so it's a "not active criminal" type, rather than a "not a
criminal". Gotcha. Cause that's kind of a "yes or no" question
rather than a "used to be" type of thing.

Fortunately, this isn't at all uncommon. According to national
statistics something like two-thirds of offenders choose not to
re-offend after each incareration. They serve their time, finish out
their parole and move on to other things.

It's the 1/3 who keep doing it that are more of a problem, though.

I wouldn't want any of these folks living across the street from me,
but the ones who were candid were a very valuable source of
information.

Well, at least they can conribute something.

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:51:19 +0000, Dave Hinz wrote:


Fortunately, this isn't at all uncommon. According to national
statistics something like two-thirds of offenders choose not to
re-offend after each incareration. They serve their time, finish out
their parole and move on to other things.

It's the 1/3 who keep doing it that are more of a problem, though.

I remember reading that 80% of violent crimes are committed by repeat
offenders. Aren't statistics wonderful.

- Doug

--

To escape criticism--do nothing, say nothing, be nothing." (Elbert Hubbard)

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

Ah, so it's a "not active criminal" type, rather than a "not a
criminal". Gotcha. Cause that's kind of a "yes or no" question
rather than a "used to be" type of thing.

Wanna play gotca, There really is no such thing as an ex-convict either.
Once convivted of an offence you are a convict.

"Swingman"
My 19 year old daughter, taking care of an across the street neighbor's
dog
while they are out of town for the holidays, was the subject of an
attempted
abduction around 9:30 last evening.

AND the fact
that she had the local police number on her cell phone speed dial.

I'm with you on this. My daughter, now married grew up when cellphones were
not readily available. She faced a situation that scared me silly. But as
you said, she remembered her training and constant drilling and was able to
avoid any problems.

There is no situation that I would not require my daughter to have a
cellphone with her at all times. No twit at any school board would dictate
to me how to keep my children safe.

I worry now that when I have grand children, (in the way off future) they
won't be allowed to wear the wris****ch/GPS/cellphone/ELB I'm sure will be
available soon.

Thank you for sharing this.

Dave

You're a good man to care enough to "educate" your children....all
parents should discuss these things often.
My youngest sister was abducted, raped & beaten many years ago.
They caught the no good SOB.......without details he was beaten to death
in prison....the family knew someone on the inside. Justice sometimes
does fit the crime !