On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:12:39 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:

Silvan wrote:
The funny thing is they are upgrading the whole camp to have running water
and septic systems. The EPA or CDC or some environmental health study
people are making them get rid of the latrines.

Give me a break. When I was in the Boy Scouts, we cleaned the latrines
at summer camp every day with scrub brushes and pine soap. They were a
hell of a lot cleaner, odor-free, and hygenic than a lot of gas station
bathrooms I've been in.

Sounds a lot cleaner than the restrooms in National Forest and State
Forest areas here in AZ. I have encountered the "natrural composting"
latrines that the enviro-wackos are advocating, and they stink, literally.
No thanks.

As long as they're not upstream of the water
supply, it's a non issue. Where do people think the wild animals in the
woods take a crap?

On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:12:39 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:

Silvan wrote:
The funny thing is they are upgrading the whole camp to have running water
and septic systems. The EPA or CDC or some environmental health study
people are making them get rid of the latrines.

Give me a break. When I was in the Boy Scouts, we cleaned the latrines
at summer camp every day with scrub brushes and pine soap. They were a
hell of a lot cleaner, odor-free, and hygenic than a lot of gas station
bathrooms I've been in. As long as they're not upstream of the water
supply, it's a non issue. Where do people think the wild animals in the
woods take a crap?

Sssshhh! For God's sake don't tell the EPA!

--RC
Sleep? Isn't that a totally inadequate substitute for caffine?

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:04:13 GMT, wrote:

As long as they're not upstream of the water
supply, it's a non issue.

Upstream of who's water supply ?

Mark Jerde wrote:
Joe wrote:
Do get yourself a gateway router to use as a firewall and
eliminate
the need to install that dreadful PPOE and Verizon software.

Do tell me more about this please... Just got DSL and was thinking
of using the provided modem/router combo unit for the house as it
is
both wired and wireless.

In Maryland, near Washington DC, Verizon sends new DSL customers a
combination DSL modem / router / 4-port hub / wireless hub. At least
that's
what they sent friends of mine, who I help get connected three
weekends ago.
It was relatively painless to get set up, although it did take one
call to
tech support. The user name and password for the modem wasn't
included in
the documentation.

-- Mark

I live in NW Virginia just outside DC and am confronted with the same
request for a user name and password. Do you remember what they are?
And, what did you use (in Linux) to connect to Verizon? I am running
Fedora 3. Please just let me know. Thanks, Cliff

wrote:

I live in NW Virginia just outside DC and am confronted with the same
request for a user name and password. Do you remember what they are?
And, what did you use (in Linux) to connect to Verizon? I am running
Fedora 3. Please just let me know. Thanks, Cliff

Are you setting it up for the first time? If so, you just about have to
suck it up, find some crap hard drive laying around somewhere, and throw
Windows on it to run their CD. You have to set up your username and
password to use with the thing. It's all part of the stupid CD. After
that, you can throw away Windows. Especially if you're talking to the
upstream stuff with a router that lets you put the username and password
inside it, so you don't have to screw with PPPoE stuff on the Linux side,
which I found to be a royal PITA on Debian and Mandrake. Haven't done
Fedora. It's probably no different. I recommend a router highly, just to
manage the stupid PPPoE stuff.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/

wrote:

In Maryland, near Washington DC, Verizon sends new DSL customers a
combination DSL modem / router / 4-port hub / wireless hub. At
least that's what they sent friends of mine, who I help get
connected three weekends ago. It was relatively painless to get set
up, although it did take one call to tech support. The user name
and password for the modem wasn't included in the documentation.

-- Mark

I live in NW Virginia just outside DC and am confronted with the same
request for a user name and password. Do you remember what they are?

No, but I was on hold for only about 5 minutes.

And, what did you use (in Linux) to connect to Verizon? I am running
Fedora 3. Please just let me know. Thanks, Cliff

These were WinXP computers. Someone near you should have a laptop that can
run the Verizon CD. Gimme a holler on email (remove the obvious) if you
can't find anyone, but I'll be tied up until Thuirsday or Friday at the
earliest.

-- Mark

I am currently using Verizon DSL without any problem, and I am on
their $29.99 plan. The price is right, and the speed is good.

Initially I had some wiring problem in my house that prevented me from
getting a DSL signal (even with filters installed in all phones).
Something
to do with the hardwired phone line to the water-supply company was
messing thing up. Verizon techician came over (for a fee) and install
a
DSL splitter box to separate the DSL line from other phone lines, and
the
problem was fixed for good.

The only "issue" that I have is that Verizon requires me to keep their
local
phone service in order to use their $29.99 DSL service. This is fair.
But
this also means that I lose the incentive to replace Verizon local/long
distance service with Vonage local/long distance VoIP (voice over IP)
basic plan that is really cheap. Not a big deal. I still will be able
to call
long distance using the VoIP service from SkyPe (that is also really
cheap).
Now, I just need to get done with my project of rewiring my house for
phone/LAN; then I will have time to use the service from SkyPe (too
many
projects, too little time).

Jay Chan