I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture
and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing
nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and
I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different
nail or.....................

I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem
for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:35:19 -0400, "Dick Snyder"
wrote:

I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture
and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing
nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and
I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different
nail or.....................

I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem
for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.


Have you considered a nail spinner?
http://acmehardware.com/product_detail.aspx?sku=4337374

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:35:19 -0400, "Dick Snyder"
wrote:

I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture
and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing
nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and
I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different
nail or.....................

I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem
for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.

TIA.

Dick Snyder



just glue and clamps is better.

Looks like a nail spinner is a device to prevent splitting. I solved that
problem with pilot holes but my problem was nails bending while driving them
home.
"igor" wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:35:19 -0400, "Dick Snyder"
wrote:

I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture
and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D
finishing
nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent
and
I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different
nail or.....................

I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem
for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.


Have you considered a nail spinner?
http://acmehardware.com/product_detail.aspx?sku=4337374

"Dick Snyder" wrote in message
...
I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture
and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D
finishing nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of
them bent and I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using
a different nail or.....................

I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem
for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.

USE GLUE and drill the holes a bit undersized AND all the way through.

You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot
hole.

Preston
"Dick Snyder" wrote in message
...
I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture
and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D
finishing
nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent
and
I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different
nail or.....................

I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem
for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

"Preston Andreas" wrote in message
...
You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your
pilot
hole.

That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a
drill bit.






Preston
"Dick Snyder" wrote in message
...
I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of
furniture
and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D
finishing
nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent
and
I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different
nail or.....................

I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this
problem
for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

"Dick Snyder" wrote in message
...
Looks like a nail spinner is a device to prevent splitting. I solved that
problem with pilot holes but my problem was nails bending while driving
them
home.

Nailspinner is useless. Just drill the pilot hole larger or deeper as
needed.
This is pretty simple stuff here guys




"igor" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:35:19 -0400, "Dick Snyder"
wrote:

I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of
furniture
and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D
finishing
nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent
and
I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different
nail or.....................

I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this
problem
for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.


Have you considered a nail spinner?
http://acmehardware.com/product_detail.aspx?sku=4337374

Wanna bet?

David

Battleax wrote:



That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a
drill bit.

Pretty standard trim carpenter trick if waxed nails don't work.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)




"Battleax" wrote in message
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"Preston Andreas" wrote in message
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You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the
head off one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to
drill your
pilot
hole.

That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a
nail is not a
drill bit.






Preston
"Dick Snyder" wrote in message
...
I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of
the plywood
carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on
another
project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece
of
furniture
and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue
and 3D
finishing
nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of
them bent
and
I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using
a different
nail or.....................

I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan
on buying a
brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve
this
problem
for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

"Battleax" wrote in message
...

"Preston Andreas" wrote in message
...
You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off
one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your
pilot
hole.

That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a
drill bit.


Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood.

"Leon" wrote in message
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"Battleax" wrote in message
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"Preston Andreas" wrote in message
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You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off
one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your
pilot
hole.

That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not
a
drill bit.


Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood.



Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice

Nail gun?

Battleax wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message
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"Battleax" wrote in message
...

"Preston Andreas" wrote in message
...
You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the
head off one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill
your pilot hole.

That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail
is not a drill bit.


Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood.



Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor
practice

Seen it recommended often enough.

Josie

"Battleax" wrote in message
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"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Battleax" wrote in message
...

"Preston Andreas" wrote in message
...
You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head
off
one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill
your
pilot
hole.

That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is
not
a
drill bit.


Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood.



Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice


Actually, this works very well. I do it all the time in hickory and it's
harder than oak.

Bryan

From: "Preston Andreas"

Cut the head off one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot
hole.

My thunder is almost gone, but hard
trim nails work better than regular,
and you can grind the head off easier
than cutting it.

"Battleax" wrote in message
...

"Preston Andreas" wrote in message
...
You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off
one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your
pilot
hole.

That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a
drill bit.


Never tried it, have you? This has been a common practice since shortly
after man invented fire and used it to keep his Neanderthal wood shop warm.
It actually works very well.
--

-Mike-

"Battleax" wrote in message
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"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Battleax" wrote in message
...

"Preston Andreas" wrote in message
...
You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head
off
one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill
your
pilot
hole.

That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is
not
a
drill bit.


Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood.



Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice



Not real hard at all. Poor practice? Why would you say such a thing?
--

-Mike-

"Battleax" wrote in message
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Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice

Actually with finish nail sized nails, they go through with not much effort
at all. The key is to use a corded drill that will spin the nail quickly.

"Battleax" wrote in message
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"Dick Snyder" wrote in message
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Looks like a nail spinner is a device to prevent splitting. I solved that
problem with pilot holes but my problem was nails bending while driving
them
home.

Nailspinner is useless. Just drill the pilot hole larger or deeper as
needed.
snip

I've found the spinners handy for installing oak stair treads for 20
years.... I guess I could have saved 3 or 4 years if I hadn't been using
it?

"Leon" wrote in message m...


"Battleax" wrote in message
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Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice

Actually with finish nail sized nails, they go through with not much effort
at all. The key is to use a corded drill that will spin the nail quickly.



The real problem with using a nail is that it denies one the pleasure of buying the proper tool for the jobg

"Al Reid" wrote in
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The real problem with using a nail is that it denies one the pleasure
of buying the proper tool for the jobg

which is a Porter Cable Air Powered Brad Nailah....g

"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
k.net...

"Battleax" wrote in message
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"Preston Andreas" wrote in message
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You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off
one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your
pilot
hole.

That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not
a
drill bit.


Never tried it, have you? This has been a common practice since shortly
after man invented fire and used it to keep his Neanderthal wood shop
warm.
It actually works very well

But not as well as a drill bit

Practice your hammering technique, cheap 3d nails bend easily.
Dave



"Dick Snyder" wrote in message
...
I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture
and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D
finishing nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of
them bent and I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using
a different nail or.....................

I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem
for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.

TIA.

Dick Snyder

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:33:47 -0400, "Eric Ryder"
wrote:

I've found the spinners handy for installing oak stair treads for 20
years.... I guess I could have saved 3 or 4 years if I hadn't been using
it?


Thanks, Eric. Much better than a rejoinder from me.

That being said, I do know some people do not like them. A friend I loaned
mine to recently did not like it when installing shoe moulding. As is
said, YMMV. -- Igor

"Battleax" wrote in message
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
k.net...

"Battleax" wrote in message
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"Preston Andreas" wrote in message
...
You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head
off
one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill
your
pilot
hole.

That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is
not
a
drill bit.


Never tried it, have you? This has been a common practice since shortly
after man invented fire and used it to keep his Neanderthal wood shop
warm.
It actually works very well

But not as well as a drill bit



Yeahbut the difference in the way a finishing nail will drill in and the way
a bit will drill in isn't worth the mention.
--

-Mike-

You CLEARLY don't know what you are talking about here.

David

Battleax wrote:


Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice

try cutting the head of a trim nail with side cutters and chucking it in
your drill, The nail will drill fine and the hole will always be the right
size. -dave


"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Battleax" wrote in message
...

"Preston Andreas" wrote in message
...
You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off
one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your
pilot
hole.

That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not
a
drill bit.


Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood.

"Battleax" wrote in message
...

But not as well as a drill bit


Here we go again, Actually better than a drill bit in small sizes. The
small drill bits tend to load up with debris and you have to clean them out.
This is not a problem with spinning a small nail.