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Problems nailing oak trim
I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different nail or..................... I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak. TIA. Dick Snyder |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:35:19 -0400, "Dick Snyder"
wrote: I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different nail or..................... I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak. Have you considered a nail spinner? http://acmehardware.com/product_detail.aspx?sku=4337374 |
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Looks like a nail spinner is a device to prevent splitting. I solved that
problem with pilot holes but my problem was nails bending while driving them home. "igor" wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:35:19 -0400, "Dick Snyder" wrote: I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different nail or..................... I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak. Have you considered a nail spinner? http://acmehardware.com/product_detail.aspx?sku=4337374 |
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"Dick Snyder" wrote in message ... Looks like a nail spinner is a device to prevent splitting. I solved that problem with pilot holes but my problem was nails bending while driving them home. Nailspinner is useless. Just drill the pilot hole larger or deeper as needed. This is pretty simple stuff here guys "igor" wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:35:19 -0400, "Dick Snyder" wrote: I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different nail or..................... I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak. Have you considered a nail spinner? http://acmehardware.com/product_detail.aspx?sku=4337374 |
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"Battleax" wrote in message ... "Dick Snyder" wrote in message ... Looks like a nail spinner is a device to prevent splitting. I solved that problem with pilot holes but my problem was nails bending while driving them home. Nailspinner is useless. Just drill the pilot hole larger or deeper as needed. snip I've found the spinners handy for installing oak stair treads for 20 years.... I guess I could have saved 3 or 4 years if I hadn't been using it? |
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:33:47 -0400, "Eric Ryder"
wrote: I've found the spinners handy for installing oak stair treads for 20 years.... I guess I could have saved 3 or 4 years if I hadn't been using it? Thanks, Eric. Much better than a rejoinder from me. That being said, I do know some people do not like them. A friend I loaned mine to recently did not like it when installing shoe moulding. As is said, YMMV. -- Igor |
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:35:19 -0400, "Dick Snyder"
wrote: I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different nail or..................... I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak. TIA. Dick Snyder just glue and clamps is better. |
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"Dick Snyder" wrote in message ... I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different nail or..................... I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak. USE GLUE and drill the holes a bit undersized AND all the way through. |
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You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot hole. Preston "Dick Snyder" wrote in message ... I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different nail or..................... I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak. TIA. Dick Snyder |
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"Preston Andreas" wrote in message ... You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot hole. That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a drill bit. Preston "Dick Snyder" wrote in message ... I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different nail or..................... I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak. TIA. Dick Snyder |
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Wanna bet?
David Battleax wrote: That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a drill bit. |
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"Battleax" wrote in message ... "Preston Andreas" wrote in message ... You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot hole. That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a drill bit. Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood. |
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"Leon" wrote in message ... "Battleax" wrote in message ... "Preston Andreas" wrote in message ... You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot hole. That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a drill bit. Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood. Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice |
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Battleax wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message ... "Battleax" wrote in message ... "Preston Andreas" wrote in message ... You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot hole. That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a drill bit. Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood. Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice Seen it recommended often enough. Josie |
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"Battleax" wrote in message ... "Leon" wrote in message ... "Battleax" wrote in message ... "Preston Andreas" wrote in message ... You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot hole. That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a drill bit. Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood. Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice Actually, this works very well. I do it all the time in hickory and it's harder than oak. Bryan |
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"Battleax" wrote in message ... "Leon" wrote in message ... "Battleax" wrote in message ... "Preston Andreas" wrote in message ... You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot hole. That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a drill bit. Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood. Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice Not real hard at all. Poor practice? Why would you say such a thing? -- -Mike- |
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"Battleax" wrote in message ... Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice Actually with finish nail sized nails, they go through with not much effort at all. The key is to use a corded drill that will spin the nail quickly. |
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You CLEARLY don't know what you are talking about here.
David Battleax wrote: Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice |
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try cutting the head of a trim nail with side cutters and chucking it in
your drill, The nail will drill fine and the hole will always be the right size. -dave "Leon" wrote in message ... "Battleax" wrote in message ... "Preston Andreas" wrote in message ... You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot hole. That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a drill bit. Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood. |
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"Battleax" wrote in message ... "Preston Andreas" wrote in message ... You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot hole. That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a drill bit. Never tried it, have you? This has been a common practice since shortly after man invented fire and used it to keep his Neanderthal wood shop warm. It actually works very well. -- -Mike- |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in message k.net... "Battleax" wrote in message ... "Preston Andreas" wrote in message ... You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot hole. That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a drill bit. Never tried it, have you? This has been a common practice since shortly after man invented fire and used it to keep his Neanderthal wood shop warm. It actually works very well But not as well as a drill bit |
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"Battleax" wrote in message ... "Mike Marlow" wrote in message k.net... "Battleax" wrote in message ... "Preston Andreas" wrote in message ... You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot hole. That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a drill bit. Never tried it, have you? This has been a common practice since shortly after man invented fire and used it to keep his Neanderthal wood shop warm. It actually works very well But not as well as a drill bit Yeahbut the difference in the way a finishing nail will drill in and the way a bit will drill in isn't worth the mention. -- -Mike- |
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"Battleax" wrote in message ... But not as well as a drill bit Here we go again, Actually better than a drill bit in small sizes. The small drill bits tend to load up with debris and you have to clean them out. This is not a problem with spinning a small nail. |
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Nail gun?
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Practice your hammering technique, cheap 3d nails bend easily.
Dave "Dick Snyder" wrote in message ... I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different nail or..................... I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak. TIA. Dick Snyder |
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