I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.

https://i.imgur.com/qfGHKa5.jpg

They were found in a drawer with curved bottomed sections. The drawers must
have been modified. Only 2 of the 8 have the curves and it looks like they
had straight dividers at some time.

https://i.imgur.com/FKs6ApK.jpg

I wonder why those curved bottoms were added.

On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 19:12:26 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.

https://i.imgur.com/qfGHKa5.jpg

They were found in a drawer with curved bottomed sections. The drawers must
have been modified. Only 2 of the 8 have the curves and it looks like they
had straight dividers at some time.

https://i.imgur.com/FKs6ApK.jpg

I wonder why those curved bottoms were added.
Yes,they are aluminum rivets, They have likely hardened too much to
use them without annealing. The curved bottoms in the drawers are to
make it easier to remove the rivets from the drawer because they
cannot "hide in the corners"

On 2/24/2019 10:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.

https://i.imgur.com/qfGHKa5.jpg

They were found in a drawer with curved bottomed sections. The drawers must
have been modified. Only 2 of the 8 have the curves and it looks like they
had straight dividers at some time.

https://i.imgur.com/FKs6ApK.jpg

I wonder why those curved bottoms were added.

Make it easier to get the items out of the drawer as they do not get
caught in the corners.


--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 7:30:03 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On 2/24/2019 10:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.

https://i.imgur.com/qfGHKa5.jpg

They were found in a drawer with curved bottomed sections. The drawers must
have been modified. Only 2 of the 8 have the curves and it looks like they
had straight dividers at some time.

https://i.imgur.com/FKs6ApK.jpg

I wonder why those curved bottoms were added.

Make it easier to get the items out of the drawer as they do not get
caught in the corners.



That's what I thought. But I wonder why only those 2 of the 8 drawers had curved bottom
section even through the rest of the drawers contain all sorts of small part - nuts, screws, etc.

They sure don't make them like that anymore. Any "small parts storage" you see today
is all flat bottomed. More space, less cost, I guess.

On 2/24/2019 10:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.

What's funny is, you've had them for 30 years and don't even know what
they are. Don't throw them out, you just might need one some day. I
understand.

On 2/25/2019 8:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/24/2019 10:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer
of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.

What's funny is, you've had them for 30 years and don't even know what
they are.Â* Don't throw them out, you just might need one some day.Â* I
understand.
There are two types of people in this world, Those that keep everything
indefinitely because they know they well need it in the future, and
those who those who throw every thing out because they know they will
never need it again.

I understand the OP view point as I also know there is a future need for
all of the junk in my garage.

One of the things I have that I know there is a use for, but have not
figured it out yet; is the nice rigid plastic jars with the screw on
lids. They look like they would be useful to store something in. Has
any one figured out what?

--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 8:02:06 AM UTC-6, wrote:
..... nice rigid plastic jars with the screw on
lids. They look like they would be useful to store something in. Has
any one figured out what?

Put slips of paper, each with your pending projects, in the jar. When it's time for the next project, select one. Optional: Store the jar in the trash can.

Sonny

On 2/25/2019 7:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/24/2019 10:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer
of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.

What's funny is, you've had them for 30 years and don't even know what
they are.Â* Don't throw them out, you just might need one some day.Â* I
understand.

Indeed, I just had need for some of the rivets been in the barn since
the 1930/40's as bought an old Ford 501 sickle mower.

There are still rivets and a few sections from the old McCormick-Deering
twine binder, the Massey Model 90 combine and I don't recall what else
there, but "ya' never know" when the need may arise...

--

On 2/24/2019 9:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.

https://i.imgur.com/qfGHKa5.jpg

They were found in a drawer with curved bottomed sections. The drawers must
have been modified. Only 2 of the 8 have the curves and it looks like they
had straight dividers at some time.

https://i.imgur.com/FKs6ApK.jpg

I wonder why those curved bottoms were added.



I used rivets like this in shop class, in 1969.

You drill a hole through pieces of metal to be attached with a rivet.

You slide the rivet through the holes, round end sits on an anvil with a
cupped indention that matches the shape of the rivet.

You take a large ball peen hammer and whack the rivet until the end
flares out and captures the pieces of metal.

I do not recall the name of the tool, but you place a hand held tool,
with a similar indentation as the anvil, over the end you just finished
hammering and give it a couple of blows to form a finished look to the
end of the rivet.

On 2/25/2019 6:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 7:30:03 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On 2/24/2019 10:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.

https://i.imgur.com/qfGHKa5.jpg

They were found in a drawer with curved bottomed sections. The drawers must
have been modified. Only 2 of the 8 have the curves and it looks like they
had straight dividers at some time.

https://i.imgur.com/FKs6ApK.jpg

I wonder why those curved bottoms were added.

Make it easier to get the items out of the drawer as they do not get
caught in the corners.



That's what I thought. But I wonder why only those 2 of the 8 drawers had curved bottom
section even through the rest of the drawers contain all sorts of small part - nuts, screws, etc.

They sure don't make them like that anymore. Any "small parts storage" you see today
is all flat bottomed. More space, less cost, I guess.


People working with small iron projects still use them.

dpb writes:
On 2/25/2019 7:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


There are still rivets and a few sections from the old McCormick-Deering
twine binder, the Massey Model 90 combine and I don't recall what else
there, but "ya' never know" when the need may arise...

Used both of them (well, the massey 60 pull-behind combine anyway),
back in the day (60's/70's).

http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh1-300.jpg

and the Massey baler:

http://www.lurndal.org/images/baler.jpg

On 2/25/2019 10:02 AM, Leon wrote:
On 2/24/2019 9:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer
of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.

https://i.imgur.com/qfGHKa5.jpg

They were found in a drawer with curved bottomed sections. The drawers
must
have been modified. Only 2 of the 8 have the curves and it looks like
they
had straight dividers at some time.

https://i.imgur.com/FKs6ApK.jpg

I wonder why those curved bottoms were added.



I used rivets like this in shop class, in 1969.

You drill a hole through pieces of metal to be attached with a rivet.

You slide the rivet through the holes, round end sits on an anvil with a
cupped indention that matches the shape of the rivet.

You take a large ball peen hammer and whack the rivet until the end
flares out and captures the pieces of metal.

I do not recall the name of the tool, but you place a hand held tool,
with a similar indentation as the anvil, over the end you just finished
hammering and give it a couple of blows to form a finished look to the
end of the rivet.

FWIW the curved bottoms are the closed end of the rivet. AND the rivet
is complete, there is no other piece to go with it.

I still have, well my son has, the band iron magazine rack that I built
50 years ago.
IIRC the band iron was 1/8" thick and 1"~1.5" wide.

There are 12 separate pieces of band iron and 23 rivets.

On 2/25/2019 7:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/24/2019 10:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer
of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.

What's funny is, you've had them for 30 years and don't even know what
they are.Â* Don't throw them out, you just might need one some day.Â* I
understand.

He'll definitely need them. . . but not until one week after he's thrown
them out!

On 2/25/2019 10:04 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
dpb writes:
On 2/25/2019 7:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


There are still rivets and a few sections from the old McCormick-Deering
twine binder, the Massey Model 90 combine and I don't recall what else
there, but "ya' never know" when the need may arise...

Used both of them (well, the massey 60 pull-behind combine anyway),
back in the day (60's/70's).

Our last pull-type was old Gleaner---we kids played on it as all kinds
of things it could become with the big spoked wheel on the operator
platform could be ship's wheel or...

http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh1-300.jpg

That's stationary thresher--not sure exactly which...

and the Massey baler:

http://www.lurndal.org/images/baler.jpg

Here's video of a twine binder -- been converted to PTO or perhaps by
'30s maybe Deering had shifted over. Ours had been converted to pull by
tractor but was still ground drive...

--

dpb writes:
On 2/25/2019 10:04 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
dpb writes:
On 2/25/2019 7:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


There are still rivets and a few sections from the old McCormick-Deering
twine binder, the Massey Model 90 combine and I don't recall what else
there, but "ya' never know" when the need may arise...

Used both of them (well, the massey 60 pull-behind combine anyway),
back in the day (60's/70's).

Our last pull-type was old Gleaner---we kids played on it as all kinds
of things it could become with the big spoked wheel on the operator
platform could be ship's wheel or...

http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh1-300.jpg

That's stationary thresher--not sure exactly which...

Not sure. It was painted red. I don't have any pictures
of the binder, unfortunately, and it was auctioned off when
my Grandparents passed.

Side view of threshing rig (with the Farmall B pulling the hayrack):

http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh2-300.jpg

And a poor front view with the Farmall M running the belt

http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh2-300.jpg

All circa 1972 or thereabouts.


and the Massey baler:

http://www.lurndal.org/images/baler.jpg

Here's video of a twine binder -- been converted to PTO or perhaps by
'30s maybe Deering had shifted over. Ours had been converted to pull by
tractor but was still ground drive...

Yeah, our (well Grandfathers) binder was also ground drive. Spent several
summers following it around shocking oats.


s

On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 10:02:51 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 2/24/2019 9:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.

https://i.imgur.com/qfGHKa5.jpg

They were found in a drawer with curved bottomed sections. The drawers must
have been modified. Only 2 of the 8 have the curves and it looks like they
had straight dividers at some time.

https://i.imgur.com/FKs6ApK.jpg

I wonder why those curved bottoms were added.



I used rivets like this in shop class, in 1969.

You drill a hole through pieces of metal to be attached with a rivet.

You slide the rivet through the holes, round end sits on an anvil with a
cupped indention that matches the shape of the rivet.

You take a large ball peen hammer and whack the rivet until the end
flares out and captures the pieces of metal.

I do not recall the name of the tool, but you place a hand held tool,
with a similar indentation as the anvil, over the end you just finished
hammering and give it a couple of blows to form a finished look to the
end of the rivet.
Still use the aluminum solid rivets building aircraft today. Hammer
and bucking bar. Need to cut the rivets to accurate length for the
"grip" required.

On 2/25/2019 12:11 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
....

Side view of threshing rig (with the Farmall B pulling the hayrack):

http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh2-300.jpg

And a poor front view with the Farmall M running the belt

http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh2-300.jpg

All circa 1972 or thereabouts.
....

We never bound/shocked grain crops, only feed sorghum for winter feed.
The stiff stocks with it made for a very nicely tied bundle. I'm still
amazed at how those metal fingers could tie such a nice knot almost
every time. That was a clever designer, indeed!

When/if feed got to be more than about 4-5 ft tall, though, the bundles
got to be awfully difficult to handle when they'd sat in a shock in
field all winter and blown full of sand at the bottom and then with a
snow...

That's really neat to have some of the pictures...I have only a very few
that show any of the equipment or action. There's one of grandfather
(we think) sitting on the wagon with mule team in front of the then
near-new barn (begun after WWI armistice was signed so could get the
lumber to go ahead).

Where is that geographically? Too many trees for SW KS.

We had four M's at the time I first was big enough to climb on one and
reach (with effort) the clutch. They were all wide-front ends.

In the 30s/40s, grandpa had three or four Cat 22s; a 22-drawbar hp
miniature modern-day-looking Caterpillar with the big cast iron radiator
and everything...looked exactly like a D4 or the like that got left out
in the rain and just shrank to about quarter-size. Used them for
rowcrop work with 3-row JD lister and cultivator. Still had one until
the '60s it was sold to a collector/restorer in town and now resides in WY.

I don't recall just exactly when but went to Farmall 400s and eventually
to the 560 (a real dog) before finally Dad made the switch to green with
the first 4020 for row crop. Had also gotten Case 990 wheatland for the
flatwork.

Grandpa as got older but still wanted to do some fieldwork bought a
little AC WD-45 with full line of the "snap coupler" toolbar implements.
In like '58-59 time frame traded it up to a D-17 and I did about half
the rowcrop planting and all the cultivating/knife-sledding with it
until left for college...unfortunately, all that was sold in the
retirement auction when dad retired; he kept only the JD 4440 which
still use for the hay work and mowing, etc., ... All our farmed ground
was put into Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) permanent native grass
at that time as well as all of the rented land we farmed so no longer
raising cash grain crops; "just" maintaining the grass and running some
cattle on that which is now-expired CRP while we decide what to do with
that ground going forward for longer term.

--

On 2/24/2019 9:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.
....

Could be but unless your relative was in aircraft or like I'd think more
likely just soft iron for routine use as sickle rivets and the like.

Are they nonmagnetic?

--

dpb writes:
On 2/25/2019 12:11 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
...

Side view of threshing rig (with the Farmall B pulling the hayrack):

http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh2-300.jpg

And a poor front view with the Farmall M running the belt

http://www.lurndal.org/images/thresh2-300.jpg

All circa 1972 or thereabouts.
...


That's really neat to have some of the pictures...I have only a very few
that show any of the equipment or action. There's one of grandfather
(we think) sitting on the wagon with mule team in front of the then
near-new barn (begun after WWI armistice was signed so could get the
lumber to go ahead).

Yeah. I wish I'd had my current digital SLR fifty years ago rather than
that silly little 141 camera.


Where is that geographically? Too many trees for SW KS.

Just outside of Modena, Wisconsin, at the northern portion of the driftless area.


We had four M's at the time I first was big enough to climb on one and
reach (with effort) the clutch. They were all wide-front ends.

My maternal grandfather (who still used the threshing rig) had a B and
a pair of much larger Minneapolis-Moline hand-clutch tractors. His
neighbor, with whom the binder/thresher were shared, had a Super-C and
the M.

My paternal grandfather and uncle were mainly Massey Harris/Ferguson
(MF 50, MF 65, MF 180, a Ford 8-N and later, a used JD A).

The B was the first one I was allowed to drive.


In the 30s/40s, grandpa had three or four Cat 22s; a 22-drawbar hp
miniature modern-day-looking Caterpillar with the big cast iron radiator
and everything...looked exactly like a D4 or the like that got left out
in the rain and just shrank to about quarter-size. Used them for
rowcrop work with 3-row JD lister and cultivator. Still had one until
the '60s it was sold to a collector/restorer in town and now resides in WY.

The MF65 (above) has been very nicely restored (and was last used to
transport my Uncle's coffin from the church to the cemetery).

http://www.lurndal.org/images/robert/dsc02924_small.jpg



[snip]
.., ... All our farmed ground
was put into Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) permanent native grass
at that time as well as all of the rented land we farmed so no longer
raising cash grain crops; "just" maintaining the grass and running some
cattle on that which is now-expired CRP while we decide what to do with
that ground going forward for longer term.

The maternal farm was sold when my grandmother passed. The paternal
farm is now in the hands of my cousin (driving the tractor, above) and
my dad's cousins and is used as a deer hunting preserve (the flat parts
are row-cropped (corn & alfalfa) by another cousin for his dairy
operation (several hundred head with one of those fancy automatic
milking parlors)).

On 2/25/2019 2:07 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
dpb writes:
....

My maternal grandfather (who still used the threshing rig) had a B and
a pair of much larger Minneapolis-Moline hand-clutch tractors. His
neighbor, with whom the binder/thresher were shared, had a Super-C and
the M.

My paternal grandfather and uncle were mainly Massey Harris/Ferguson
(MF 50, MF 65, MF 180, a Ford 8-N and later, a used JD A).

The B was the first one I was allowed to drive.

M-M and M-F never really caught on out here...there were enough M-M to
keep a dealership afloat for a while (our one neighbor to south was the
only one in the county I really know who had them) but just marginally.

The Massey dealer maybe sold one or two tractors a year but the M-H
combines dominated by a wide margin over Gleaner and then the others
bringing up the rear.

IH/Farmall and Case dominated with a fair amount of green paint around
(but nothing approaching a plurality, what more majority) until the 4000
series revolutionized everything. Now JD green is 80+% I'd guess for
major equipment; CIH being a distant second. Kubota orange is pretty
popular for the utility/smaller sizes for haying operations and the like
because of the initial price entry point advantage--and they are a good
product besides. They just don't have the HP ratings for big operations
out here, though, with 24-row planters and 120-ft spray rigs now common.

....

The MF65 (above) has been very nicely restored (and was last used to
transport my Uncle's coffin from the church to the cemetery).

http://www.lurndal.org/images/robert/dsc02924_small.jpg

That is priceless and most appropriate.

And, the restoration looks impeccable, besides...

Enjoyed the reminscences and always interesting to hear of others' as well.

--

DerbyDad03 wrote:

I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.

https://i.imgur.com/qfGHKa5.jpg

Back in the day, Center Line wheels used aluminum rivets. I had a set
that looked a lot like this:

http://www.wheelcollision.com/wccpix/3014.JPG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFqKxsTnNz0
http://www.stangfix.com/testforum/ga...8-7407950.jpeg
https://static.summitracing.com/glob...6704545_xl.jpg

On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 03:22:01 +0000, Spalted Walt
wrote:

DerbyDad03 wrote:

I've had these for 30+ years, just hanging around in the bottom drawer of a
old, narrow set of drawers I brought home from a dead relative's shop.

https://i.imgur.com/QSAZi4n.jpg

The whole batch weighs just over 1/2 lb. I'm guessing aluminum.

https://i.imgur.com/qfGHKa5.jpg

Back in the day, Center Line wheels used aluminum rivets. I had a set
that looked a lot like this:

http://www.wheelcollision.com/wccpix/3014.JPG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFqKxsTnNz0
http://www.stangfix.com/testforum/ga...8-7407950.jpeg
https://static.summitracing.com/glob...6704545_xl.jpg
Heck, all kinds of aluminum items were rivetted as many allots are
not weldable and need to be joined. Boats are rivetted too. Lots of
structural aluminum is rivetted