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On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 19:12:34 -0600
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and how many Stanley/Olfa knives?


i think zero











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I have about 4 in the 6 to 12' range, and thinking of adding another,
as I still can not find one when I need it. I also have 3 more in
the 12 to 50' range, that stay put so I don't need as many in any one
range.


just reminded that i have a 50 or maybe it is 100 footer somewhere









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On 4/21/2016 11:54 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
i count 5 tape measures in the shop

the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
craftsmen

hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6 with one semi working

Just one in the shop (at least four or five around the how and in the car).
Any more than one and there will always be disagreements among them. I use
the Stanley which matches my steel ruler the best for shop work but never
for precise marking.

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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:35:56 -0700, Electric Comet
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:01:36 -0700
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time. I don't even know how many taper measures are in the shop, but
if I count the ones in the shop, garage, wife's work room, and my
service trucks and could find them all the count might be an order of
magnitude more than five.


i only counted the ones in the shop
there are more around somewhere

i have a real old and fragile one that i got as a hand me down from
someone but do not recall who

it is a narrow tape and maybe 10 footer

I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
came back home.
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On 4/21/2016 11:54 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
i count 5 tape measures in the shop

the lufkin lock broke but i still use it the others are stanley and
craftsmen

hf freeby is a tape measure so i go to 6 with one semi working

Just one in the shop (at least four or five around the how and in the car).
Any more than one and there will always be disagreements among them. I use
the Stanley which matches my steel ruler the best for shop work but never
for precise marking.

"precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
the best of times.


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"precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
the best of times.


long as you use the same tape measure it is fine











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"precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
the best of times.


long as you use the same tape measure it is fine


Your reading comprehension is poor, it seems, or you don't
understand the difference between precision and repeatability.
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 14:03:19 -0700, Electric Comet
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:20:15 -0400
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"precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
the best of times.


long as you use the same tape measure it is fine

Leon had the counter to that. Of course the counter-counter is a
story stick. Don't care what the scale says.


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On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 14:03:19 -0700, Electric Comet
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"precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
the best of times.


long as you use the same tape measure it is fine

Depends on your definition of "precision" - and you need to keep the
temperature reasoably close to the same too., and make sure the tape
is suppoerted - any sag will make the tape over-measure.
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On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 7:03:40 PM UTC-4, krw wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 12:55:13 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:09:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 4/25/2016 8:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM,
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I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
came back home.


Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
positions - doing well for themselves

All 4 kids work. 2 of them are doing it in the spare time they have while pursuing
a Masters Degree. 1 of those will be graduating with a dual Masters in May. She's
worked within her chosen career field since her first semester at her undergrad
school.

I'm a proud poppa.


Yeah, but what about the flashlights?
Safe to say they are not quite as bright as the kids - - -

tape measures or flashlights?
I have seen some pretty bright freebies


I don't know about yours but my kid was NOT free. ;-)


true dat

Nor was either of the Master's degrees. My one daughter is just
finishing her first - while working. Thankfully no crippling student
loans left.
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:22:15 -0400, krw wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:17:29 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:27:43 -0400, krw wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:50:37 GMT,
(Scott Lurndal)
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Electric Comet writes:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:20:15 -0400
wrote:

"precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
the best of times.

long as you use the same tape measure it is fine

Your reading comprehension is poor, it seems, or you don't
understand the difference between precision and repeatability.

If the object is to cut board X to fit space Y or make board A the
same as board B, then they're the same thing. Precision is rarely
needed in woodworking. Repeatability is almost always needed.

Measuring a horizontal distance between two points in space, then
transfering that measurement to material to mark and cut can require
precision - not repeatability - and can be pretyy dicey.


Repeatability is almost always good enough - story stick. I don't
have to know the numerical distance, only copy it.

At least a story stick is rigid - and in the case of cutting a 16
foot 2X10 to fit between 2 points, it's possible to use the lumber as
it's own "storry stick" Hold in place, mark where to cut - and cut.
Repeatability not required for a single piece. - just accuracy..
(and in most cases like this, a 128th inch is close enough anyway)

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Repeatability is almost always good enough - story stick. I don't
have to know the numerical distance, only copy it.


That's what I was thinking. As long as 22 1/4 inchs stays in
the same place on the tape, everything measured to that point
will be the same length.

The problem comes in when trying to measure one thing to 22 1/4,
and another to 11 1/8. There you need some level of accuracy
in the tape.

John
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On 4/26/2016 9:15 AM, John McCoy wrote:
krw wrote in news:r2kthbl6d02ngf6jtei36a7qf9532jrh2u@
4ax.com:

Repeatability is almost always good enough - story stick. I don't
have to know the numerical distance, only copy it.


That's what I was thinking. As long as 22 1/4 inchs stays in
the same place on the tape, everything measured to that point
will be the same length.

The problem comes in when trying to measure one thing to 22 1/4,
and another to 11 1/8. There you need some level of accuracy
in the tape.

John


Not so bad if you do the measuring and building with the same tape...
But if my tape read smaller than actual and your reads bigger than
actual (or vice versa) it is not going to fit right if I tell you to
make a cabinet exactly 24" wide.
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On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:22:15 -0400, krw wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:17:29 -0400,
wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:27:43 -0400, krw wrote:

On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 22:50:37 GMT,
(Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Electric Comet writes:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:20:15 -0400
wrote:

"precise marking" with a "tape measure" is a bit of an oxymoron at
the best of times.

long as you use the same tape measure it is fine

Your reading comprehension is poor, it seems, or you don't
understand the difference between precision and repeatability.

If the object is to cut board X to fit space Y or make board A the
same as board B, then they're the same thing. Precision is rarely
needed in woodworking. Repeatability is almost always needed.
Measuring a horizontal distance between two points in space, then
transfering that measurement to material to mark and cut can require
precision - not repeatability - and can be pretyy dicey.


Repeatability is almost always good enough - story stick. I don't
have to know the numerical distance, only copy it.

At least a story stick is rigid - and in the case of cutting a 16
foot 2X10 to fit between 2 points, it's possible to use the lumber as
it's own "storry stick" Hold in place, mark where to cut - and cut.
Repeatability not required for a single piece. - just accuracy..
(and in most cases like this, a 128th inch is close enough anyway)


We're defining the terms differently. I have a line from point A to
point B and I want to cut board C fit that span. I want to repeat
that distance (repeatability). I don't what to know that distance
(measure accurately).
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On 4/26/2016 10:51 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/26/2016 9:15 AM, John McCoy wrote:
krw wrote in news:r2kthbl6d02ngf6jtei36a7qf9532jrh2u@
4ax.com:

Repeatability is almost always good enough - story stick. I don't
have to know the numerical distance, only copy it.


That's what I was thinking. As long as 22 1/4 inchs stays in
the same place on the tape, everything measured to that point
will be the same length.

The problem comes in when trying to measure one thing to 22 1/4,
and another to 11 1/8. There you need some level of accuracy
in the tape.

John


Not so bad if you do the measuring and building with the same tape...
But if my tape read smaller than actual and your reads bigger than
actual (or vice versa) it is not going to fit right if I tell you to
make a cabinet exactly 24" wide.



I have actually seen tape measures that agree at some measurement
distances but not at another measurement.


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On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 17:49:08 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 7:03:40 PM UTC-4, krw wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 12:55:13 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:09:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 4/25/2016 8:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM,
wrote:

I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
came back home.


Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
positions - doing well for themselves

All 4 kids work. 2 of them are doing it in the spare time they have while pursuing
a Masters Degree. 1 of those will be graduating with a dual Masters in May. She's
worked within her chosen career field since her first semester at her undergrad
school.

I'm a proud poppa.


Yeah, but what about the flashlights?
Safe to say they are not quite as bright as the kids - - -

tape measures or flashlights?
I have seen some pretty bright freebies

I don't know about yours but my kid was NOT free. ;-)


true dat

Nor was either of the Master's degrees. My one daughter is just
finishing her first - while working. Thankfully no crippling student
loans left.


I was talking to my soon-to-graduate daughter this weekend. She mentioned
that her laptop is dying...hopes it lasts the 3 weeks she has left in school.

She said that the first purchase she plans to make as soon as she gets a
job is new laptop. She gave me the specs, the price, even the exact model.

I wonder...was that a hint? ;-)



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I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
came back home.


The tape came back home or the daughter came back home?


On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 6:54:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".


Reminds me of the fishermen's club. "The first liar doesn't have a chance."
.... quoted from the album "Voices From Lynchburg", a collection of different stories from the folks in Lynchburg, Tn. The fishin stories are pretty good.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tennessee-Sq...AOSwT~9Wjxc C

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On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 10:18:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 17:49:08 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 7:03:40 PM UTC-4, krw wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 12:55:13 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:09:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 4/25/2016 8:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM,
wrote:

I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
came back home.


Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
positions - doing well for themselves

All 4 kids work. 2 of them are doing it in the spare time they have while pursuing
a Masters Degree. 1 of those will be graduating with a dual Masters in May. She's
worked within her chosen career field since her first semester at her undergrad
school.

I'm a proud poppa.


Yeah, but what about the flashlights?
Safe to say they are not quite as bright as the kids - - -

tape measures or flashlights?
I have seen some pretty bright freebies

I don't know about yours but my kid was NOT free. ;-)

true dat

Nor was either of the Master's degrees. My one daughter is just
finishing her first - while working. Thankfully no crippling student
loans left.


I was talking to my soon-to-graduate daughter this weekend. She mentioned
that her laptop is dying...hopes it lasts the 3 weeks she has left in school.

She said that the first purchase she plans to make as soon as she gets a
job is new laptop. She gave me the specs, the price, even the exact model.

I wonder...was that a hint? ;-)

Probably not. She didn't send you a link to her Amazon wish list. ;-)
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:59:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 10:18:50 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 17:49:08 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 7:03:40 PM UTC-4, krw wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 12:55:13 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 10:09:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 4/25/2016 8:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:54:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 4/24/2016 4:18 PM,
wrote:

I have one more than I had Friday. One I lent to my eldest daughter
came back home.


Reminds me of the contest at the Liars Club. Each member got up and
told an elaborate story. Some were truly believable. Last guy got up
and said, "I have an adult child and a flashlight and they both work".
Thankfully both of my girls work. Both have pretty responsible
positions - doing well for themselves

All 4 kids work. 2 of them are doing it in the spare time they have while pursuing
a Masters Degree. 1 of those will be graduating with a dual Masters in May. She's
worked within her chosen career field since her first semester at her undergrad
school.

I'm a proud poppa.


Yeah, but what about the flashlights?
Safe to say they are not quite as bright as the kids - - -

tape measures or flashlights?
I have seen some pretty bright freebies

I don't know about yours but my kid was NOT free. ;-)

true dat
Nor was either of the Master's degrees. My one daughter is just
finishing her first - while working. Thankfully no crippling student
loans left.


I was talking to my soon-to-graduate daughter this weekend. She mentioned
that her laptop is dying...hopes it lasts the 3 weeks she has left in school.

She said that the first purchase she plans to make as soon as she gets a
job is new laptop. She gave me the specs, the price, even the exact model.

I wonder...was that a hint? ;-)

Probably not. She didn't send you a link to her Amazon wish list. ;-)


I hope it was a hint. I ordered it this afternoon.


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