I'm about fed up with winter this year! Here's an excerpt from the local
on-line newspaper... (BTW - January was only marginally better than
February).




"Syracuse had already broken two cold temperature records this month, and
now it's time to add one mo the most days below zero in a calendar year.

"This is the 20th time this year that we have dropped below zero, which is
an all-time record," the National Weather Service reported. That number
might grow with several below-zero days forecast this week, the weather
service said.
February 2015 will also likely break two other records: coldest month on
record and first month in which the temperature never rose above freezing.

Records date back to 1902."



These statistics are recorded at the airport down in Syracuse. Up here
where we live, on any given day we are 5-10 degrees colder than Syracuse,
and we certainly get more snow than they do at the airport - usually in the
neighborhood of 50% more. It's something when 0 degrees seems "not so bad
today", and 20 seems downright warm. You go outside in jeans, a flannel
shirt, and a windbreaker. I don't know how many mornings I woke up to -20F
without windchill factor, this year - but it sure seems like a lot. I don't
pay a bit of attention to windchill - I consider that more of a media hype
element than something I really need to care about.

And to think - we started off this winter season with a green Christmas...
Where is that freakin' Global Warming stuff that I keep hearing about?

--

-Mike-

On 02/24/2015 11:54 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
....

Records date back to 1902."
....

That's barely over 100 yr...not much to compare to climatology-wise.
One way to think of it is there's almost a 1% chance every day if were
to consider it like a dice toss...

--

On 2/24/2015 11:54 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
I'm about fed up with winter this year! Here's an excerpt from the local
on-line newspaper... (BTW - January was only marginally better than
February).




"Syracuse had already broken two cold temperature records this month, and
now it's time to add one mo the most days below zero in a calendar year.

"This is the 20th time this year that we have dropped below zero, which is
an all-time record," the National Weather Service reported. That number
might grow with several below-zero days forecast this week, the weather
service said.
February 2015 will also likely break two other records: coldest month on
record and first month in which the temperature never rose above freezing.

Records date back to 1902."



These statistics are recorded at the airport down in Syracuse. Up here
where we live, on any given day we are 5-10 degrees colder than Syracuse,
and we certainly get more snow than they do at the airport - usually in the
neighborhood of 50% more. It's something when 0 degrees seems "not so bad
today", and 20 seems downright warm. You go outside in jeans, a flannel
shirt, and a windbreaker. I don't know how many mornings I woke up to -20F
without windchill factor, this year - but it sure seems like a lot. I don't
pay a bit of attention to windchill - I consider that more of a media hype
element than something I really need to care about.

And to think - we started off this winter season with a green Christmas...
Where is that freakin' Global Warming stuff that I keep hearing about?

Global Warming is soooo 1990's

On 2/24/2015 1:23 PM, Leon wrote:
On 2/24/2015 11:54 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
I'm about fed up with winter this year! Here's an excerpt from the local
on-line newspaper... (BTW - January was only marginally better than
February).




"Syracuse had already broken two cold temperature records this month, and
now it's time to add one mo the most days below zero in a calendar
year.

"This is the 20th time this year that we have dropped below zero,
which is
an all-time record," the National Weather Service reported. That number
might grow with several below-zero days forecast this week, the weather
service said.
February 2015 will also likely break two other records: coldest month on
record and first month in which the temperature never rose above
freezing.

Records date back to 1902."


snip

And to think - we started off this winter season with a green
Christmas...
Where is that freakin' Global Warming stuff that I keep hearing about?

It is all about you.

It would help if you had some understanding of the jet stream and how it
effects the weather. What happens is that when the polar jet stream
loops south it brings arctic frigid air down with it.

All weather is driven by temperature differences, and so is the jet
stream. As the arctic warms and sea ice melts, the arctic further warms
as dark water absorbs more of the suns heat than the far more reflective
sea ice. Warmer arctic waters lead to a less powerful jetstream, one
that because it is weaker wanders more. And when it wanders and loops
and even breaks off "polar vortexes", Syracuse gets a drubbing.

Sea ice is at such lows as to open up the northwest passage. That can't
be denied. The jetstream has been very loopy.

People that expect a 1 degree increase to be absolutely uniform across
the planet are clueless. Weather is a complex system driven by
temperature differences. Expect more erratic weather, in fact most
Republicans now believe the climate is changing:

http://environment.yale.edu/climate-...climate-change







Global Warming is soooo 1990's


--
xyz

On 4/27/2015 5:53 PM, pentapus wrote:

Sea ice is at such lows as to open up the northwest passage.

So, why do you think it was named a "passage"?

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On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:55:38 PM UTC-5, Mike Marlow wrote:
I'm about fed up with winter this year! Here's an excerpt from the local
on-line newspaper... (BTW - January was only marginally better than
February).




"Syracuse had already broken two cold temperature records this month, and
now it's time to add one mo the most days below zero in a calendar year.

DerbyDad03 wrote:


Having spent a year within 60 miles of the arctic circle on the end a
wide open peninsula with nothing except a couple of buildings to
block the wind, I can, without a doubt, state that wind chill is not
"media hype". It is not only very uncomfortable, but extremely
dangerous.


I disagree - in my opinion it is all media hype. We know that it is cold in
the winter and that when the wind blows, it's even worse. We really do not
need the hype of showing even lower temperatures, to know that it's cold out
there. I grew up long before the age of "wind chill factor". Guess what -
we knew it was cold out there and we either dressed for it, or took refuge
in the manners that you describe. We did not need a flunky weatherman to
tell us the exagerated version of how cold it was. Common sense and all
that.

--

-Mike-

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 3:40:25 PM UTC-5, Mike Marlow wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:


Having spent a year within 60 miles of the arctic circle on the end a
wide open peninsula with nothing except a couple of buildings to
block the wind, I can, without a doubt, state that wind chill is not
"media hype". It is not only very uncomfortable, but extremely
dangerous.


I disagree - in my opinion it is all media hype. We know that it is cold in
the winter and that when the wind blows, it's even worse. We really do not
need the hype of showing even lower temperatures, to know that it's cold out
there. I grew up long before the age of "wind chill factor". Guess what -
we knew it was cold out there and we either dressed for it, or took refuge
in the manners that you describe. We did not need a flunky weatherman to
tell us the exagerated version of how cold it was. Common sense and all
that.

--

-Mike-


You call it hype, I call it doing us a favor.

They can tell me it's 5 below with winds of 15MPH or they can tell me it's 5 below with a wind chill temperature of -26. I thank them for doing the math for me. The fact is, at 5 below with winds of 15MPH, it's going to feel like -26, not -5 or -40, so now I know to dress for -26, not -5 or -40.

Of course, we could use AccuWeather's RealFeel®:

"The AccuWeather RealFeel® ... uses multiple factors including the temperature, humidity, cloud cover, sun intensity, and wind to explain how hot (or cold) it feels outside."

With that many variables, I'd be willing to tag that as hype. :-)

I also tag terms like Snowmageddon, Snowpocalypse, and Snowzilla as hype.

We now know your opinion of "flunky weatherman", but we don't know your opinion of NOAA. They don't appear to consider wind chill temperatures as hype.. Are they "flunky" also?

From: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ddc/?n=windchill

"Frostbite Threshold: For the first time, the wind chill temperatures include specific threshold values that provide specific warning of time-to-frostbite at given levels of wind chill. For example, a temperature of 5 degrees Fahrenheit and a wind speed of 30 mph equal a wind chill of -19, which will produce frostbite in 30 minutes. The chart also shows how frostbite will occur sooner if the temperature is lower or the wind speed higher. Since it is the responsibility of the National Weather Service to help protect lives, this is an important service to the American people."

DerbyDad03 wrote:


We now know your opinion of "flunky weatherman", but we don't know
your opinion of NOAA. They don't appear to consider wind chill
temperatures as hype. Are they "flunky" also?


Wind chill does have a real meaning - that was not my point. My point was
the weatherman hyping this to make a more sensational weather report. The
temperature is the temperature. It only takes a modicum of common sense to
know that it's cold out there and that if the wind is blowing, it's going to
affect you more than if it were not.



--

-Mike-

On 02/24/2015 4:10 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
....

Wind chill does have a real meaning - that was not my point. My point was
the weatherman hyping this to make a more sensational weather report. The
temperature is the temperature. It only takes a modicum of common sense to
know that it's cold out there and that if the wind is blowing, it's going to
affect you more than if it were not.

Well, their job is to protect and part of that is information. There
are a number (I'd guess likely even a majority) who live so insulated
from routine weather and its adverse consequences they've no clue...

--

On 2/24/2015 3:49 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 3:40:25 PM UTC-5, Mike Marlow wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:


Having spent a year within 60 miles of the arctic circle on the end a
wide open peninsula with nothing except a couple of buildings to
block the wind, I can, without a doubt, state that wind chill is not
"media hype". It is not only very uncomfortable, but extremely
dangerous.


I disagree - in my opinion it is all media hype. We know that it is cold in
the winter and that when the wind blows, it's even worse. We really do not
need the hype of showing even lower temperatures, to know that it's cold out
there. I grew up long before the age of "wind chill factor". Guess what -
we knew it was cold out there and we either dressed for it, or took refuge
in the manners that you describe. We did not need a flunky weatherman to
tell us the exagerated version of how cold it was. Common sense and all
that.

--

-Mike-


You call it hype, I call it doing us a favor.

They can tell me it's 5 below with winds of 15MPH or they can tell me it's 5 below with a wind chill temperature of -26. I thank them for doing the math for me. The fact is, at 5 below with winds of 15MPH, it's going to feel like -26, not -5 or -40, so now I know to dress for -26, not -5 or -40.

Of course, we could use AccuWeather's RealFeel®:

"The AccuWeather RealFeel® ... uses multiple factors including the temperature, humidity, cloud cover, sun intensity, and wind to explain how hot (or cold) it feels outside."

With that many variables, I'd be willing to tag that as hype. :-)

I also tag terms like Snowmageddon, Snowpocalypse, and Snowzilla as hype.

We now know your opinion of "flunky weatherman", but we don't know your opinion of NOAA. They don't appear to consider wind chill temperatures as hype. Are they "flunky" also?

From: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ddc/?n=windchill

"Frostbite Threshold: For the first time, the wind chill temperatures include specific threshold values that provide specific warning of time-to-frostbite at given levels of wind chill. For example, a temperature of 5 degrees Fahrenheit and a wind speed of 30 mph equal a wind chill of -19, which will produce frostbite in 30 minutes. The chart also shows how frostbite will occur sooner if the temperature is lower or the wind speed higher. Since it is the responsibility of the National Weather Service to help protect lives, this is an important service to the American people."


Feels like, real feel.... to who in particular would this apply to? It
is a feeling not shared by all.
Over weight people are naturally better insulated than skinny people.


Put two equally filled and equal temperature glasses of water out in 30F
temperatures, one protected from the wind, one in a 30 mph wind.
The one in the wind will drop in temperature more quickly but will not
end up being a lower temperature than the one that is protected from the
wind after 30 minutes.

On 2/24/2015 1:38 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:


Having spent a year within 60 miles of the arctic circle on the end a
wide open peninsula with nothing except a couple of buildings to
block the wind, I can, without a doubt, state that wind chill is not
"media hype". It is not only very uncomfortable, but extremely
dangerous.


I disagree - in my opinion it is all media hype. We know that it is cold in
the winter and that when the wind blows, it's even worse. We really do not
need the hype of showing even lower temperatures, to know that it's cold out
there. I grew up long before the age of "wind chill factor". Guess what -
we knew it was cold out there and we either dressed for it, or took refuge
in the manners that you describe. We did not need a flunky weatherman to
tell us the exagerated version of how cold it was. Common sense and all
that.


Common sense isn't as common as it used to be. ;-)

On 2/24/2015 5:36 PM, Max wrote:
On 2/24/2015 1:38 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:


Having spent a year within 60 miles of the arctic circle on the end a
wide open peninsula with nothing except a couple of buildings to
block the wind, I can, without a doubt, state that wind chill is not
"media hype". It is not only very uncomfortable, but extremely
dangerous.


I disagree - in my opinion it is all media hype. We know that it is
cold in
the winter and that when the wind blows, it's even worse. We really
do not
need the hype of showing even lower temperatures, to know that it's
cold out
there. I grew up long before the age of "wind chill factor". Guess
what -
we knew it was cold out there and we either dressed for it, or took
refuge
in the manners that you describe. We did not need a flunky weatherman to
tell us the exagerated version of how cold it was. Common sense and all
that.


Common sense isn't as common as it used to be. ;-)


It is still common, it's just that a person with common sense 40 years
ago would look like a genius by comparison today.
The standards for the common sense rating have been dumbed down so that
one one will be offended. Give that dummy a trophy!

On 2/24/2015 8:29 PM, Leon wrote:


The standards for the common sense rating have been dumbed down so that
one one will be offended. Give that dummy a trophy!


If you are giving out a trophy, be sure that everyone on the team gets
one and the other team too. Self esteem you know.

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 19:29:20 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 2/24/2015 5:36 PM, Max wrote:
On 2/24/2015 1:38 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:


Having spent a year within 60 miles of the arctic circle on the end a
wide open peninsula with nothing except a couple of buildings to
block the wind, I can, without a doubt, state that wind chill is not
"media hype". It is not only very uncomfortable, but extremely
dangerous.


I disagree - in my opinion it is all media hype. We know that it is
cold in
the winter and that when the wind blows, it's even worse. We really
do not
need the hype of showing even lower temperatures, to know that it's
cold out
there. I grew up long before the age of "wind chill factor". Guess
what -
we knew it was cold out there and we either dressed for it, or took
refuge
in the manners that you describe. We did not need a flunky weatherman to
tell us the exagerated version of how cold it was. Common sense and all
that.


Common sense isn't as common as it used to be. ;-)


It is still common, it's just that a person with common sense 40 years
ago would look like a genius by comparison today.
The standards for the common sense rating have been dumbed down so that
one one will be offended. Give that dummy a trophy!

Here's your sign!

On 2/24/2015 12:23 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:55:38 PM UTC-5, Mike Marlow wrote:
I'm about fed up with winter this year! Here's an excerpt from the local
on-line newspaper... (BTW - January was only marginally better than
February).




"Syracuse had already broken two cold temperature records this month, and
now it's time to add one mo the most days below zero in a calendar year.

"This is the 20th time this year that we have dropped below zero, which is
an all-time record," the National Weather Service reported. That number
might grow with several below-zero days forecast this week, the weather
service said.
February 2015 will also likely break two other records: coldest month on
record and first month in which the temperature never rose above freezing.

Records date back to 1902."



These statistics are recorded at the airport down in Syracuse. Up here
where we live, on any given day we are 5-10 degrees colder than Syracuse,
and we certainly get more snow than they do at the airport - usually in the
neighborhood of 50% more. It's something when 0 degrees seems "not so bad
today", and 20 seems downright warm. You go outside in jeans, a flannel
shirt, and a windbreaker. I don't know how many mornings I woke up to -20F
without windchill factor, this year - but it sure seems like a lot. I don't
pay a bit of attention to windchill - I consider that more of a media hype
element than something I really need to care about.

And to think - we started off this winter season with a green Christmas...
Where is that freakin' Global Warming stuff that I keep hearing about?


"I don't pay a bit of attention to windchill - I consider that more of a media hype element than something I really need to care about."

I guess it all depends on where you are and what you do during extreme wind chill events.

For the past few days we've been having "extreme wind chill warnings" with temps in the minus single digits and wind chills in the -20's to -30's.

There is a huge difference from when I am shoveling my deck in the sheltered back yard vs. shoveling the driveway or walking the dog in the full force of the wind. There have been times when I have gone into the backyard just to get a reprieve from the wind and "warm up" a little.

Having spent a year within 60 miles of the arctic circle on the end a wide open peninsula with nothing except a couple of buildings to block the wind, I can, without a doubt, state that wind chill is not "media hype". It is not only very uncomfortable, but extremely dangerous.

http://www.noaa.gov/features/monitor...coldwinds.html

When I was in my college physics class the subject of wind chill came
up. It was pretty much a laughing matter as far as the weather
forecasters were concerned. Wind chill does not in any way shape or
form make things colder than the actual temperature.
What wind chill really does is cool things down faster to what the
actual temperature is rather than if there was no wind at all.

Leon wrote:

When I was in my college physics class the subject of wind chill came
up. It was pretty much a laughing matter as far as the weather
forecasters were concerned. Wind chill does not in any way shape or
form make things colder than the actual temperature.
What wind chill really does is cool things down faster to what the
actual temperature is rather than if there was no wind at all.

Correct.

--

-Mike-

On 2/24/2015 4:05 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Leon wrote:

When I was in my college physics class the subject of wind chill came
up. It was pretty much a laughing matter as far as the weather
forecasters were concerned. Wind chill does not in any way shape or
form make things colder than the actual temperature.
What wind chill really does is cool things down faster to what the
actual temperature is rather than if there was no wind at all.

Correct.


Even 42 years ago.. ;~)

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 15:33:11 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 2/24/2015 12:23 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:55:38 PM UTC-5, Mike Marlow wrote:
I'm about fed up with winter this year! Here's an excerpt from the local
on-line newspaper... (BTW - January was only marginally better than
February).




"Syracuse had already broken two cold temperature records this month, and
now it's time to add one mo the most days below zero in a calendar year.

"This is the 20th time this year that we have dropped below zero, which is
an all-time record," the National Weather Service reported. That number
might grow with several below-zero days forecast this week, the weather
service said.
February 2015 will also likely break two other records: coldest month on
record and first month in which the temperature never rose above freezing.

Records date back to 1902."



These statistics are recorded at the airport down in Syracuse. Up here
where we live, on any given day we are 5-10 degrees colder than Syracuse,
and we certainly get more snow than they do at the airport - usually in the
neighborhood of 50% more. It's something when 0 degrees seems "not so bad
today", and 20 seems downright warm. You go outside in jeans, a flannel
shirt, and a windbreaker. I don't know how many mornings I woke up to -20F
without windchill factor, this year - but it sure seems like a lot. I don't
pay a bit of attention to windchill - I consider that more of a media hype
element than something I really need to care about.

And to think - we started off this winter season with a green Christmas...
Where is that freakin' Global Warming stuff that I keep hearing about?


"I don't pay a bit of attention to windchill - I consider that more of a media hype element than something I really need to care about."

I guess it all depends on where you are and what you do during extreme wind chill events.

For the past few days we've been having "extreme wind chill warnings" with temps in the minus single digits and wind chills in the -20's to -30's.

There is a huge difference from when I am shoveling my deck in the sheltered back yard vs. shoveling the driveway or walking the dog in the full force of the wind. There have been times when I have gone into the backyard just to get a reprieve from the wind and "warm up" a little.

Having spent a year within 60 miles of the arctic circle on the end a wide open peninsula with nothing except a couple of buildings to block the wind, I can, without a doubt, state that wind chill is not "media hype". It is not only very uncomfortable, but extremely dangerous.

http://www.noaa.gov/features/monitor...coldwinds.html

When I was in my college physics class the subject of wind chill came
up. It was pretty much a laughing matter as far as the weather
forecasters were concerned. Wind chill does not in any way shape or
form make things colder than the actual temperature.
What wind chill really does is cool things down faster to what the
actual temperature is rather than if there was no wind at all.

Specifically, it's the equivalent temperature at which unprotected
skin will freeze. Well, PUT ON A COAT! ;-)

wrote in message ...

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 15:33:11 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

When I was in my college physics class the subject of wind chill came
up. It was pretty much a laughing matter as far as the weather
forecasters were concerned. Wind chill does not in any way shape or
form make things colder than the actual temperature.
What wind chill really does is cool things down faster to what the
actual temperature is rather than if there was no wind at all.

Specifically, it's the equivalent temperature at which unprotected
skin will freeze. Well, PUT ON A COAT! ;-)

As the owner of Hunter Mtn ski resort was quoted as saying one time "You
don't ski naked" when asked about the good turn outs on the slope despite
the very low wind chill temperatures...

John Grossbohlin wrote:


As the owner of Hunter Mtn ski resort was quoted as saying one time
"You don't ski naked" when asked about the good turn outs on the
slope despite the very low wind chill temperatures...

What a stupid question, eh? (tip of the hat to Dave and our other friends
in the great white north...). Imagine that - people sliding down a hill at
what - maybe 20 or 30 mph, and the questioner is asking about wind chill?
Hell - they experience wind chill everytime they go down the damned hill.
Sheese...

--

-Mike-

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:50:11 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 15:33:11 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

When I was in my college physics class the subject of wind chill came
up. It was pretty much a laughing matter as far as the weather
forecasters were concerned. Wind chill does not in any way shape or
form make things colder than the actual temperature.
What wind chill really does is cool things down faster to what the
actual temperature is rather than if there was no wind at all.

Specifically, it's the equivalent temperature at which unprotected
skin will freeze. Well, PUT ON A COAT! ;-)

As the owner of Hunter Mtn ski resort was quoted as saying one time "You
don't ski naked" when asked about the good turn outs on the slope despite
the very low wind chill temperatures...

I have seen some naked skiers, but it was a photo shoot.

On 2/24/2015 5:40 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 15:33:11 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 2/24/2015 12:23 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:55:38 PM UTC-5, Mike Marlow wrote:
I'm about fed up with winter this year! Here's an excerpt from the local
on-line newspaper... (BTW - January was only marginally better than
February).




"Syracuse had already broken two cold temperature records this month, and
now it's time to add one mo the most days below zero in a calendar year.

"This is the 20th time this year that we have dropped below zero, which is
an all-time record," the National Weather Service reported. That number
might grow with several below-zero days forecast this week, the weather
service said.
February 2015 will also likely break two other records: coldest month on
record and first month in which the temperature never rose above freezing.

Records date back to 1902."



These statistics are recorded at the airport down in Syracuse. Up here
where we live, on any given day we are 5-10 degrees colder than Syracuse,
and we certainly get more snow than they do at the airport - usually in the
neighborhood of 50% more. It's something when 0 degrees seems "not so bad
today", and 20 seems downright warm. You go outside in jeans, a flannel
shirt, and a windbreaker. I don't know how many mornings I woke up to -20F
without windchill factor, this year - but it sure seems like a lot. I don't
pay a bit of attention to windchill - I consider that more of a media hype
element than something I really need to care about.

And to think - we started off this winter season with a green Christmas...
Where is that freakin' Global Warming stuff that I keep hearing about?


"I don't pay a bit of attention to windchill - I consider that more of a media hype element than something I really need to care about."

I guess it all depends on where you are and what you do during extreme wind chill events.

For the past few days we've been having "extreme wind chill warnings" with temps in the minus single digits and wind chills in the -20's to -30's.

There is a huge difference from when I am shoveling my deck in the sheltered back yard vs. shoveling the driveway or walking the dog in the full force of the wind. There have been times when I have gone into the backyard just to get a reprieve from the wind and "warm up" a little.

Having spent a year within 60 miles of the arctic circle on the end a wide open peninsula with nothing except a couple of buildings to block the wind, I can, without a doubt, state that wind chill is not "media hype". It is not only very uncomfortable, but extremely dangerous.

http://www.noaa.gov/features/monitor...coldwinds.html

When I was in my college physics class the subject of wind chill came
up. It was pretty much a laughing matter as far as the weather
forecasters were concerned. Wind chill does not in any way shape or
form make things colder than the actual temperature.
What wind chill really does is cool things down faster to what the
actual temperature is rather than if there was no wind at all.

Specifically, it's the equivalent temperature at which unprotected
skin will freeze. Well, PUT ON A COAT! ;-)


Yeah, I don't think so. It is common to see wind chills that are above
freezing so nothing is going to freeze. It is simply the greater the
wind the faster the temperature of something will drop to the "actual"
temperature. But the meteorologists want us to think otherwise.

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 19:35:03 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 2/24/2015 5:40 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 15:33:11 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 2/24/2015 12:23 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:55:38 PM UTC-5, Mike Marlow wrote:
I'm about fed up with winter this year! Here's an excerpt from the local
on-line newspaper... (BTW - January was only marginally better than
February).




"Syracuse had already broken two cold temperature records this month, and
now it's time to add one mo the most days below zero in a calendar year.

"This is the 20th time this year that we have dropped below zero, which is
an all-time record," the National Weather Service reported. That number
might grow with several below-zero days forecast this week, the weather
service said.
February 2015 will also likely break two other records: coldest month on
record and first month in which the temperature never rose above freezing.

Records date back to 1902."



These statistics are recorded at the airport down in Syracuse. Up here
where we live, on any given day we are 5-10 degrees colder than Syracuse,
and we certainly get more snow than they do at the airport - usually in the
neighborhood of 50% more. It's something when 0 degrees seems "not so bad
today", and 20 seems downright warm. You go outside in jeans, a flannel
shirt, and a windbreaker. I don't know how many mornings I woke up to -20F
without windchill factor, this year - but it sure seems like a lot. I don't
pay a bit of attention to windchill - I consider that more of a media hype
element than something I really need to care about.

And to think - we started off this winter season with a green Christmas...
Where is that freakin' Global Warming stuff that I keep hearing about?


"I don't pay a bit of attention to windchill - I consider that more of a media hype element than something I really need to care about."

I guess it all depends on where you are and what you do during extreme wind chill events.

For the past few days we've been having "extreme wind chill warnings" with temps in the minus single digits and wind chills in the -20's to -30's.

There is a huge difference from when I am shoveling my deck in the sheltered back yard vs. shoveling the driveway or walking the dog in the full force of the wind. There have been times when I have gone into the backyard just to get a reprieve from the wind and "warm up" a little.

Having spent a year within 60 miles of the arctic circle on the end a wide open peninsula with nothing except a couple of buildings to block the wind, I can, without a doubt, state that wind chill is not "media hype". It is not only very uncomfortable, but extremely dangerous.

http://www.noaa.gov/features/monitor...coldwinds.html

When I was in my college physics class the subject of wind chill came
up. It was pretty much a laughing matter as far as the weather
forecasters were concerned. Wind chill does not in any way shape or
form make things colder than the actual temperature.
What wind chill really does is cool things down faster to what the
actual temperature is rather than if there was no wind at all.

Specifically, it's the equivalent temperature at which unprotected
skin will freeze. Well, PUT ON A COAT! ;-)


Yeah, I don't think so. It is common to see wind chills that are above
freezing so nothing is going to freeze. It is simply the greater the
wind the faster the temperature of something will drop to the "actual"
temperature. But the meteorologists want us to think otherwise.

The point is that it's the equivalent temperature of bare skin. Don't
do that!

On 2/24/2015 2:33 PM, Leon wrote:

What wind chill really does is cool things down faster to what the
actual temperature is rather than if there was no wind at all.

If the thing being affected by the wind has liquid water on it, the wind
will cause the water to evaporate, causing it to cool even below the
ambient temperature. That's how evaporative (swamp) coolers work.
Before cars had air conditioners, my dad had a canvas water bag he would
hang in front of the car's radiator. As he drove down the road, the
water would slowly seep through the sides of the bag, and the wind would
evaporate the water from the surface and cool the water in the bag.

On 2/24/2015 8:21 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 2/24/2015 2:33 PM, Leon wrote:

What wind chill really does is cool things down faster to what the
actual temperature is rather than if there was no wind at all.

If the thing being affected by the wind has liquid water on it, the wind
will cause the water to evaporate, causing it to cool even below the
ambient temperature. That's how evaporative (swamp) coolers work.
Before cars had air conditioners, my dad had a canvas water bag he would
hang in front of the car's radiator. As he drove down the road, the
water would slowly seep through the sides of the bag, and the wind would
evaporate the water from the surface and cool the water in the bag.


But wind chill is only a human "touchy feeley" thing. So most people
don't douse themselves with water as they get ready to go out into the
cold wind. Now one is really warning the bridges and over passes that
there is a wind chill....

On 2/24/2015 8:56 PM, Leon wrote:
On 2/24/2015 8:21 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 2/24/2015 2:33 PM, Leon wrote:

What wind chill really does is cool things down faster to what the
actual temperature is rather than if there was no wind at all.

If the thing being affected by the wind has liquid water on it, the wind
will cause the water to evaporate, causing it to cool even below the
ambient temperature. That's how evaporative (swamp) coolers work.
Before cars had air conditioners, my dad had a canvas water bag he would
hang in front of the car's radiator. As he drove down the road, the
water would slowly seep through the sides of the bag, and the wind would
evaporate the water from the surface and cool the water in the bag.

But wind chill is only a human "touchy feeley" thing. So most people
don't douse themselves with water as they get ready to go out into the
cold wind.

But people do perspire, and if perspiring skin is exposed to the wind,
the resulting evaporation will cool the person off. It's an actual
cooling effect, and under the right conditions can cool the skin below
the ambient air temperature.

On 2/24/2015 9:56 PM, Leon wrote:

But wind chill is only a human "touchy feeley" thing. So most people
don't douse themselves with water as they get ready to go out into the
cold wind. Now one is really warning the bridges and over passes that
there is a wind chill....

Meteorology likes to describe itself as a science, although the
forecasting part is akin to subjective crystal ball gazing.

The physics and chemistry of atmospheric science are arguably pure
science, relying upon objective, empirical observation. (well, when
politics doesn't intrude/rear its insidious head, as in AGW)

"Feels like" is subjective, and as such has no place whatsoever in
empirical observation of atmospheric conditions.

**** a bunch of big titted, coiffed talking heads, reading their crystal
balls in the finest, misguided "pop" science tradition.

You get only that which your intellect is capable...

End of story...

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On 2/24/2015 4:33 PM, Leon wrote:

When I was in my college physics class the subject of wind chill came
up. It was pretty much a laughing matter as far as the weather
forecasters were concerned. Wind chill does not in any way shape or
form make things colder than the actual temperature.
What wind chill really does is cool things down faster to what the
actual temperature is rather than if there was no wind at all.

Correct about "things". People, OTOH, will feel colder from the
evaporative affect on the skin. It feels colder than it really is.

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 22:11:19 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/24/2015 4:33 PM, Leon wrote:

When I was in my college physics class the subject of wind chill came
up. It was pretty much a laughing matter as far as the weather
forecasters were concerned. Wind chill does not in any way shape or
form make things colder than the actual temperature.
What wind chill really does is cool things down faster to what the
actual temperature is rather than if there was no wind at all.

Correct about "things". People, OTOH, will feel colder from the
evaporative affect on the skin. It feels colder than it really is.

"Wind chill" has nothing to do with evaporation, however. There is
very little water on the surface of the skin in the Winter (my dry
skin is evidence ;-). OTOH, any evaporation won't just make it feel
colder it will *make* it colder.

wrote:


"Wind chill" has nothing to do with evaporation, however. There is
very little water on the surface of the skin in the Winter (my dry
skin is evidence ;-). OTOH, any evaporation won't just make it feel
colder it will *make* it colder.

Only to a point though. Wind chill is commonly reported to be 20 degrees
colder than ambient this time of year. Evaporation is not going to lower
temperatures that much when the air is this cold. Cold air does not hold
moisture like warm air does, so evaporation is not the same factor that it
can be in warmer air.

--

-Mike-

On 2/24/2015 9:11 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/24/2015 4:33 PM, Leon wrote:

When I was in my college physics class the subject of wind chill came
up. It was pretty much a laughing matter as far as the weather
forecasters were concerned. Wind chill does not in any way shape or
form make things colder than the actual temperature.
What wind chill really does is cool things down faster to what the
actual temperature is rather than if there was no wind at all.

Correct about "things". People, OTOH, will feel colder from the
evaporative affect on the skin. It feels colder than it really is.

But feeling colder might not really be colder. I feel cold in my house
when the thermostat is set on 74 when I walk in from the garage that is
95. I certainly no as cold as I think I am.

But seriously, when you hear the forecast and the wind chill is what
ever exciting number the meteorologist pulls out of his hat, who pours
water on themselves to prepare for the outing. And that would only last
until the water was gone or frozen.... and the ice would probable be an
excellent insulation from more extreme actual temperatures.

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:23:49 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:55:38 PM UTC-5, Mike Marlow wrote:
I'm about fed up with winter this year! Here's an excerpt from the local
on-line newspaper... (BTW - January was only marginally better than
February).




"Syracuse had already broken two cold temperature records this month, and
now it's time to add one mo the most days below zero in a calendar year.

"This is the 20th time this year that we have dropped below zero, which is
an all-time record," the National Weather Service reported. That number
might grow with several below-zero days forecast this week, the weather
service said.
February 2015 will also likely break two other records: coldest month on
record and first month in which the temperature never rose above freezing.

Records date back to 1902."



These statistics are recorded at the airport down in Syracuse. Up here
where we live, on any given day we are 5-10 degrees colder than Syracuse,
and we certainly get more snow than they do at the airport - usually in the
neighborhood of 50% more. It's something when 0 degrees seems "not so bad
today", and 20 seems downright warm. You go outside in jeans, a flannel
shirt, and a windbreaker. I don't know how many mornings I woke up to -20F
without windchill factor, this year - but it sure seems like a lot. I don't
pay a bit of attention to windchill - I consider that more of a media hype
element than something I really need to care about.

And to think - we started off this winter season with a green Christmas...
Where is that freakin' Global Warming stuff that I keep hearing about?


"I don't pay a bit of attention to windchill - I consider that more of a media hype element than something I really need to care about."

I guess it all depends on where you are and what you do during extreme wind chill events.

For the past few days we've been having "extreme wind chill warnings" with temps in the minus single digits and wind chills in the -20's to -30's.

There is a huge difference from when I am shoveling my deck in the sheltered back yard vs. shoveling the driveway or walking the dog in the full force of the wind. There have been times when I have gone into the backyard just to get a reprieve from the wind and "warm up" a little.

Having spent a year within 60 miles of the arctic circle on the end a wide open peninsula with nothing except a couple of buildings to block the wind, I can, without a doubt, state that wind chill is not "media hype". It is not only very uncomfortable, but extremely dangerous.

http://www.noaa.gov/features/monitor...coldwinds.html

The coldest I have ever felt, was on the flightline in North Carolina,
it was only -10F. But it was snowing, and there was not a cloud in the
sky.

Markem wrote:

The coldest I have ever felt, was on the flightline in North Carolina,
it was only -10F. But it was snowing, and there was not a cloud in the
sky.

Seymore Johson AFB?

--

-Mike-

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:06:47 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

Markem wrote:

The coldest I have ever felt, was on the flightline in North Carolina,
it was only -10F. But it was snowing, and there was not a cloud in the
sky.

Seymore Johson AFB?

Seymour Johnson AFB, home of the 4th Tactical Fighter wing.

Moto, 4th but 1st, which works out to be "fourth to help ya, first to
**** ya".

Close enough on the spelling, yes Jan 75 through July 78

Markem wrote:
On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:06:47 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

Markem wrote:

The coldest I have ever felt, was on the flightline in North
Carolina, it was only -10F. But it was snowing, and there was not a
cloud in the sky.

Seymore Johson AFB?

Seymour Johnson AFB, home of the 4th Tactical Fighter wing.

Moto, 4th but 1st, which works out to be "fourth to help ya, first to
**** ya".

Close enough on the spelling, yes Jan 75 through July 78

Can't remember the exact dates but I was there somewhere around '73 to '74.
I was Air Launched Guided Missiles. Still cannot forget that great big
billboard right outside of the gate near the BUFFs and on the way to the
bomb dump, that the KKK had put up - white knight on his stallion and all
that crap - recruiting members. As a northern boy - I just could not
believe my eyes!

Used to consider the Bijou theater downtown to be one of the cheap treats
for a weekend. Learned to love HushPuppies the way southerners make them!
Never learned to appreciate them damned grits - why in the hell would anyone
want to eat that crap? Did love riding my Triumph at night - through the
winding roads that followed the Noose (probably spelled incorrectly...)
River and all of that really cool hanging Spanish Moss. Kinda like some
sort of movie stuff.

--

-Mike-

"Mike Marlow" wrote:

I'm about fed up with winter this year! Here's an excerpt from the
local on-line newspaper... (BTW - January was only marginally
better than February).
--------------------------------------------
It took me a while to get to SoCal.

Should be about 74F today.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Mike Marlow" wrote:

I'm about fed up with winter this year! Here's an excerpt from the
local on-line newspaper... (BTW - January was only marginally
better than February).
--------------------------------------------
It took me a while to get to SoCal.

Should be about 74F today.


Yeahbut your gas prices are causing the creek to rise...

--

-Mike-

"Mike Marlow" wrote:
I'm about fed up with winter this year! Here's an excerpt from the
local on-line newspaper... (BTW - January was only marginally
better than February).
--------------------------------------------
Lew Hodgett wrote:

It took me a while to get to SoCal.

Should be about 74F today.
---------------------------------------------------
"Mike Marlow" wrote:

Yeahbut your gas prices are causing the creek to rise...
---------------------------------------------
If it's only $5/gal more than the rest of the country, it's worth it,
at least to me.

Lew

On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:25:35 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


"Mike Marlow" wrote:
I'm about fed up with winter this year! Here's an excerpt from the
local on-line newspaper... (BTW - January was only marginally
better than February).
--------------------------------------------
Lew Hodgett wrote:

It took me a while to get to SoCal.

Should be about 74F today.
---------------------------------------------------
"Mike Marlow" wrote:

Yeahbut your gas prices are causing the creek to rise...
---------------------------------------------
If it's only $5/gal more than the rest of the country, it's worth it,
at least to me.

If I'm paying $5/gal less than you, it's worth it to me, too.