When I look at used 8" Delta DJ-20 jointers, can I take for granted that
they have "parallelogram support", or is that feature only in the later
models?

Grizzly sent me a 10%-off coupon, so I am considering the G-0490, but I
would prefer to buy used. I think I'd even find a decent 6" unit
acceptable for now. I'm not in a hurry but I just have 10 more days on
my coupon. I've been checking craigslist everyday since they sent the
coupon. A DJ-20 showed up for $1000 the other day and disppeared pretty
fast. There is one out there for $1150. I think I'd pay $750 as a new
G-490, would be $1050 including delivery. Maybe that is unfair to a
DJ-20 seller, but that is the way I think about it. I saw a Powermatic
8" jointer go for about that at an auction 2 years ago. It was in a
basement with a steep stairway!

Bill

"Bill" wrote in message ...

When I look at used 8" Delta DJ-20 jointers, can I take for granted that
they have "parallelogram support", or is that feature only in the later
models?

The DJ-15, DJ-20 and DJ-30 all have the parallelogram system.

my coupon. I've been checking craigslist everyday since they sent the
coupon. A DJ-20 showed up for $1000 the other day and disppeared pretty
fast. There is one out there for $1150. I think I'd pay $750 as a new
G-490, would be $1050 including delivery. Maybe that is unfair to a DJ-20
seller, but that is the way I think about it. I saw a Powermatic

In my experience (I have a DJ-20 and have and have used Griz tools) you'd
find the Delta to be a more refined machine. The castings are cleaned up and
machined nicely and the adjustments work smoothly. In comparison, adjusting
the depth of cut is very smooth and accurate on the DJ-20... not so much on
the Griz I used as it didn't move smoothly which led to missing the depth
"spot" I was attempting to reach. The Deltas were shipping with good
quality U.S. made motors also.

If the used DJ-20 is in good shape and looks good you can likely get back
every dollar you paid for it if you sell it. The same cannot be said for a
new Griz (or any other new tool).

I'd be inclined to get the Delta if it's in good shape and looks good.

John

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:56:08 AM UTC-5, John Grossbohlin wrote:
In my experience (I have a DJ-20 and have and have used Griz tools) you'd find the Delta to be a more refined machine.

I've used a old Delta and own a late 80s model Powermatic. I find them nearly the same. I don't know of the new machines.

In the used department, be patient and get what you want. Don't settle for something less. You'll eventually find a good deal. Also, a long table is most desirable, especially if you settle for a 6" unit.

Sonny

John Grossbohlin wrote:
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I'd be inclined to get the Delta if it's in good shape and looks good.

John




Thank you for the "review" John! I know I just missed my chance on a
very nice-looking DJ-20. I wasn't ready to plunk down $1000 though. I
have enough to keep me busy while I keep looking (including a vintage #8
hand plane, and two #7s, a #6, ... -- almost the whole set (no #3))

Bill

On 3/12/2014 4:03 PM, Bill wrote:
John Grossbohlin wrote:
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I'd be inclined to get the Delta if it's in good shape and looks good.

John




Thank you for the "review" John! I know I just missed my chance on a
very nice-looking DJ-20. I wasn't ready to plunk down $1000 though. I
have enough to keep me busy while I keep looking (including a vintage #8
hand plane, and two #7s, a #6, ... -- almost the whole set (no #3))

I'd certainly not restrict my looking to the DJ series, either. Unless
they've seen 50 yr of service in a commercial shop where they tables
were cranked a zillion times a day ever day, the chances of the bed ways
being worn enough you'll ever know it is near zero on a traditional
Delta or PM and even if they are a little loose there are takeup gibs to
compensate.

While the parallelogram design is nice, lacking it is certainly not a
show-stopper imo.

As another said, look for the longest bed you can find and have room for
and wider is always better. (I covet the old Crescent 20" had access to
in Lynchburg... )

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Bill wrote:
When I look at used 8" Delta DJ-20 jointers,


Bill

If you were looking for new one of these, you might get the impression
they aren't going to make them anymore! At least, they seem scarce!

Bill

Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:
When I look at used 8" Delta DJ-20 jointers,


Bill

If you were looking for new one of these, you might get the impression
they aren't going to make them anymore! At least, they seem scarce!

Bill


"Delta Machinery" was evidently bought by Chang Type (of Taiwan).

This from their web site, to let you know the Delta name is in good
hands! %-)


The continuous orders from its customers push the business growing.
Through our OEM/ODM brands, such as Ryobi (the fastest growing brand
globally), Craftsman (exclusive brand in Sears ), Black & Decker (Global
No. 1 power tools manufacturer) and Dewalt (Top tier of Black & Decker
power tools), the products are sold in the major retailing channels,
such as Sears, Home Depot and Lowe’s. We have also expanded our capacity
to Ho Li new Plant to meet the future demands from our valuable customers.

On 3/16/2014 3:28 AM, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:
When I look at used 8" Delta DJ-20 jointers,


Bill

If you were looking for new one of these, you might get the impression
they aren't going to make them anymore! At least, they seem scarce!

Bill


"Delta Machinery" was evidently bought by Chang Type (of Taiwan).

This from their web site, to let you know the Delta name is in good
hands! %-)


The continuous orders from its customers push the business growing.
Through our OEM/ODM brands, such as Ryobi (the fastest growing brand
globally), Craftsman (exclusive brand in Sears ), Black & Decker (Global
No. 1 power tools manufacturer) and Dewalt (Top tier of Black & Decker
power tools), the products are sold in the major retailing channels,
such as Sears, Home Depot and Lowe’s. We have also expanded our capacity
to Ho Li new Plant to meet the future demands from our valuable customers.
Yes Bill we all new that.

I avoid Crapsman mostly
Avoid B&D like the plague ... it's crap.
Avoid new Delta... crap.

Dewalt I consider good quality mostly. But I have been reading some bad
things.. I have an older scroll saw... it's great, the new ones have
some serious problems...

Big box stores have held the prices down, but also the quality.
If you can buy from tool companies, you'll pay more but get a better
tool. If you'll notice the UPC's are different. I've been told the
batteries are better, and some components are stronger than big box.
True or not??? I don't know.



--
Jeff

"woodchucker" wrote

Avoid B&D like the plague ... it's crap.

On the most part, I agree. I was given a partial set of B&D Firestorm
battery tools, and I found them to be so indestructible, that I got all of
the tools in the line, so I could use the same batteries. The batteries are
still crap, but the tools have been proven to be tough as nails, and I have
used them on an every day commercial basis. I solved the battery problem by
buying a few Kobalt 4400Mah Lithium ion batteries and stuffing them in the
old NiCad batter cases. Problem solved.

Dewalt I consider good quality mostly. But I have been reading some bad
things.. I have an older scroll saw... it's great, the new ones have some
serious problems...

Yep. Bad switches, armatures burned out, cases broken, batteries burned out
quickly, all of the problems. I would not buy a new Dealt on a bet, now.

--
Jim in NC


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woodchucker wrote:
On 3/16/2014 3:28 AM, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:
When I look at used 8" Delta DJ-20 jointers,


Bill

If you were looking for new one of these, you might get the impression
they aren't going to make them anymore! At least, they seem scarce!

Bill


"Delta Machinery" was evidently bought by Chang Type (of Taiwan).

This from their web site, to let you know the Delta name is in good
hands! %-)


The continuous orders from its customers push the business growing.
Through our OEM/ODM brands, such as Ryobi (the fastest growing brand
globally), Craftsman (exclusive brand in Sears ), Black & Decker (Global
No. 1 power tools manufacturer) and Dewalt (Top tier of Black & Decker
power tools), the products are sold in the major retailing channels,
such as Sears, Home Depot and Lowe’s. We have also expanded our capacity
to Ho Li new Plant to meet the future demands from our valuable
customers.
Yes Bill we all new that.

I knew about "Stanley, Black and Decker", but I didn't know Delta was
part of the same mix. It helps explain why certain tools have disappeared.
I guess that means Porter-Cable is part of the same mix. Delta was like
the sacred cow (to me). Sorry for my not keeping up.

Bill



I avoid Crapsman mostly
Avoid B&D like the plague ... it's crap.
Avoid new Delta... crap.

Dewalt I consider good quality mostly. But I have been reading some
bad things.. I have an older scroll saw... it's great, the new ones
have some serious problems...

Big box stores have held the prices down, but also the quality.
If you can buy from tool companies, you'll pay more but get a better
tool. If you'll notice the UPC's are different. I've been told the
batteries are better, and some components are stronger than big box.
True or not??? I don't know.

On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 16:33:54 -0400, Bill
wrote:

woodchucker wrote:
On 3/16/2014 3:28 AM, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:
When I look at used 8" Delta DJ-20 jointers,


Bill

If you were looking for new one of these, you might get the impression
they aren't going to make them anymore! At least, they seem scarce!

Bill


"Delta Machinery" was evidently bought by Chang Type (of Taiwan).

This from their web site, to let you know the Delta name is in good
hands! %-)


The continuous orders from its customers push the business growing.
Through our OEM/ODM brands, such as Ryobi (the fastest growing brand
globally), Craftsman (exclusive brand in Sears ), Black & Decker (Global
No. 1 power tools manufacturer) and Dewalt (Top tier of Black & Decker
power tools), the products are sold in the major retailing channels,
such as Sears, Home Depot and Lowe’s. We have also expanded our capacity
to Ho Li new Plant to meet the future demands from our valuable
customers.
Yes Bill we all new that.

I knew about "Stanley, Black and Decker", but I didn't know Delta was
part of the same mix. It helps explain why certain tools have disappeared.
I guess that means Porter-Cable is part of the same mix. Delta was like
the sacred cow (to me). Sorry for my not keeping up.

Most Porter-Cable is junk now, too. Some of their old-tech stuff is
still alright. The PC-691 is still a nice router. There are better
but I still like its "D" handle.

Yeah, Delta is in there, too. However I bought the Delta 18-900L a
couple of years ago and am very happy with it. It's a very nice
woodworking drill press.
http://www.deltamachinery.com/products/drilling-boring-machines/item/18-900l



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Bill wrote:

In other bad news, Jet and Powermatic were bought up in Oct/2013:

http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/wo...h_your_sistem?

On 3/16/2014 2:28 AM, Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:
Bill wrote:
When I look at used 8" Delta DJ-20 jointers,
....

"Delta Machinery" was evidently bought by Chang Type (of Taiwan).

....

That occurred "way back" in 2011...at the time FWW said--

http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/34363/updated-stanley-sells-delta-tools-to-taiwanese-company

I've not looked at anything up close and personal since then and
certainly not recently so no real knowledge on how they're actually doing...

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