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OT Yes the creep keeps rising and you cannot stop it
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:05:10 -0400, Bill
wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:12:42 -0500, Leon wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote: My guess is that in 10 years or less, the majority of vehicles manufactured will be electric. -------------------------------------------------- wrote: I'm not quite that optimistic, but I can envision it happening within the next quarter century. With entrepreneurs like Tesla fully committed to electric vehicle promotion, it will happen sooner than later. Add onto that the fact that the Tesla *looks damned good* IMHO, the electric car field has nowhere to go except up. ------------------------------------------------------ That 10 year number comes from the industry itself, not me, I'm just the messenger. Lew Well first Lew, you say "your guess" is that in 10 years or less the "majority" of vehicles will be electric. Now you say this number comes from the industry. That industry naturally will make that claim, it's make it or break it time. That industry needs an enormous infusion of cash from investors to be able to mass produce a vehicle that will actually perform and go the distance and be at least equal in amenities as the much much lower price vehicles available right now with gasoline/diesel engines. I hope that 10 years is a realistic and achievable time frame but I don't see the trend growing that fast. It seems to be growing fast because of all of the attention it is getting but I am still seeing, in Houston, the vast majority of new vehicles being equipped with the traditional internal combustion engine. Many more hurdles will have to be over come before the "majority of new vehicle buyers make the switch. My bet is that in ten years there will be FEWER electric and hybrid cars on the market than there are now. Cars won't be smaller or get much better mileage and barring (even more) government meddling, gas won't be much more expensive in a decade, either. Two decades, even. Mercedes, IIRC, suggests they will have a "self-driving car" by the end of the decade. I expect an increase in mass transit, and fewer cars. A self-driving car would seem to support various forms of "sharing". Self-driving cars, or some subset of such, is a definite possibility. Mass transit, not a chance. No one wants it and there is no money to pay for it if they did. Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? |
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OT Yes the creep keeps rising and you cannot stop it
On 9/24/2013 6:21 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:05:10 -0400, Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:12:42 -0500, Leon wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote: My guess is that in 10 years or less, the majority of vehicles manufactured will be electric. -------------------------------------------------- wrote: I'm not quite that optimistic, but I can envision it happening within the next quarter century. With entrepreneurs like Tesla fully committed to electric vehicle promotion, it will happen sooner than later. Add onto that the fact that the Tesla *looks damned good* IMHO, the electric car field has nowhere to go except up. ------------------------------------------------------ That 10 year number comes from the industry itself, not me, I'm just the messenger. Lew Well first Lew, you say "your guess" is that in 10 years or less the "majority" of vehicles will be electric. Now you say this number comes from the industry. That industry naturally will make that claim, it's make it or break it time. That industry needs an enormous infusion of cash from investors to be able to mass produce a vehicle that will actually perform and go the distance and be at least equal in amenities as the much much lower price vehicles available right now with gasoline/diesel engines. I hope that 10 years is a realistic and achievable time frame but I don't see the trend growing that fast. It seems to be growing fast because of all of the attention it is getting but I am still seeing, in Houston, the vast majority of new vehicles being equipped with the traditional internal combustion engine. Many more hurdles will have to be over come before the "majority of new vehicle buyers make the switch. My bet is that in ten years there will be FEWER electric and hybrid cars on the market than there are now. Cars won't be smaller or get much better mileage and barring (even more) government meddling, gas won't be much more expensive in a decade, either. Two decades, even. Mercedes, IIRC, suggests they will have a "self-driving car" by the end of the decade. I expect an increase in mass transit, and fewer cars. A self-driving car would seem to support various forms of "sharing". Self-driving cars, or some subset of such, is a definite possibility. Mass transit, not a chance. No one wants it and there is no money to pay for it if they did. Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? I'm sure that it was sold with the understanding that the users will pay very little. The government will be paying the lions share of the expense. LOL |
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OT Yes the creep keeps rising and you cannot stop it
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:11:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 9/24/2013 6:21 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:05:10 -0400, Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:12:42 -0500, Leon wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote: My guess is that in 10 years or less, the majority of vehicles manufactured will be electric. -------------------------------------------------- wrote: I'm not quite that optimistic, but I can envision it happening within the next quarter century. With entrepreneurs like Tesla fully committed to electric vehicle promotion, it will happen sooner than later. Add onto that the fact that the Tesla *looks damned good* IMHO, the electric car field has nowhere to go except up. ------------------------------------------------------ That 10 year number comes from the industry itself, not me, I'm just the messenger. Lew Well first Lew, you say "your guess" is that in 10 years or less the "majority" of vehicles will be electric. Now you say this number comes from the industry. That industry naturally will make that claim, it's make it or break it time. That industry needs an enormous infusion of cash from investors to be able to mass produce a vehicle that will actually perform and go the distance and be at least equal in amenities as the much much lower price vehicles available right now with gasoline/diesel engines. I hope that 10 years is a realistic and achievable time frame but I don't see the trend growing that fast. It seems to be growing fast because of all of the attention it is getting but I am still seeing, in Houston, the vast majority of new vehicles being equipped with the traditional internal combustion engine. Many more hurdles will have to be over come before the "majority of new vehicle buyers make the switch. My bet is that in ten years there will be FEWER electric and hybrid cars on the market than there are now. Cars won't be smaller or get much better mileage and barring (even more) government meddling, gas won't be much more expensive in a decade, either. Two decades, even. Mercedes, IIRC, suggests they will have a "self-driving car" by the end of the decade. I expect an increase in mass transit, and fewer cars. A self-driving car would seem to support various forms of "sharing". Self-driving cars, or some subset of such, is a definite possibility. Mass transit, not a chance. No one wants it and there is no money to pay for it if they did. Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? I'm sure that it was sold with the understanding that the users will pay very little. The government will be paying the lions share of the expense. LOL Which is why I used the word "cost". ;-) |
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On 9/24/2013 2:18 PM, Leon wrote:
Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. share a car?? As in leave your vehicle and take some one else's? I would not, maybe you would, be OK with lending my vehicle to a stranger and I cant begin to fathom the liability issues associated with this arrangement. He may be talking about a rental setup like Zip Car where the car is parked on the street, not at a rental office. OTOH, it may be a good idea to buy shares in a car. It has been done with aircraft for years giving you a certain number of hours use. In a big city it could work for the occasional driver.. I don't lend my car to anyone, even family. |
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On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote:
Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. |
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OT Yes the creep keeps rising and you cannot stop it
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:18:24 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
share a car?? As in leave your vehicle and take some one else's? I would not, maybe you would, be OK with lending my vehicle to a stranger and I cant begin to fathom the liability issues associated with this arrangement. It's already in operation. http://www.zipcar.com/ |
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OT Yes the creep keeps rising and you cannot stop it
On 9/24/2013 11:36 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:18:24 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet share a car?? As in leave your vehicle and take some one else's? I would not, maybe you would, be OK with lending my vehicle to a stranger and I cant begin to fathom the liability issues associated with this arrangement. It's already in operation. http://www.zipcar.com/ To satisfy my geek gene weekly I watch the TWIT podcast (This Week In Tech). I am surprised at the number of participants in the high tech business, most in their twenties and early thirties, who routinely use services like Zipcar and Airbnb as a matter of course. -- eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net https://plus.google.com/114902129577517371552/posts http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/ KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) |
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OT Yes the creep keeps rising and you cannot stop it
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. |
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OT Yes the creep keeps rising and you cannot stop it
On 9/25/2013 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. And apparently you still have to reserve the zipcar. |
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On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:22:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 9/25/2013 12:32 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. And apparently you still have to reserve the zipcar. What I *don't* need is a time-share car. ;-) |
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On 9/25/2013 7:13 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:22:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 12:32 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. And apparently you still have to reserve the zipcar. What I *don't* need is a time-share car. ;-) I don't see the advantage to a regular rental car other than not having to be fill it for the next person. |
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On 9/25/2013 9:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/24/2013 11:36 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:18:24 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet share a car?? As in leave your vehicle and take some one else's? I would not, maybe you would, be OK with lending my vehicle to a stranger and I cant begin to fathom the liability issues associated with this arrangement. It's already in operation. http://www.zipcar.com/ To satisfy my geek gene weekly I watch the TWIT podcast (This Week In Tech). I am surprised at the number of participants in the high tech business, most in their twenties and early thirties, who routinely use services like Zipcar and Airbnb as a matter of course. I just checked, and they have a Toyota pickup truck in their car "line-up". If they put a stand at Menards and Home Depot, and I'll use it. |
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On 9/25/2013 11:30 PM, Leon wrote:
On 9/25/2013 7:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:22:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 12:32 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. And apparently you still have to reserve the zipcar. What I *don't* need is a time-share car. ;-) I don't see the advantage to a regular rental car other than not having to be fill it for the next person. LOCATION (walking distance to schools, hotels, downtown, Home Depot (maybe), etc.). |
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Leon wrote:
snip 8 Well, I may be a creep but nothing is rising. -- GW Ross I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian. |
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Bill wrote:
On 9/25/2013 11:30 PM, Leon wrote: On 9/25/2013 7:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:22:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 12:32 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. And apparently you still have to reserve the zipcar. What I *don't* need is a time-share car. ;-) I don't see the advantage to a regular rental car other than not having to be fill it for the next person. LOCATION (walking distance to schools, hotels, downtown, Home Depot (maybe), etc.). It costs about $75 if the car is kept for 24 hours, so a rental would mostly likely be cheaper. To a marketing person, it's a totally different product than a rental car. |
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On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:30:20 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 9/25/2013 7:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:22:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 12:32 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. And apparently you still have to reserve the zipcar. What I *don't* need is a time-share car. ;-) I don't see the advantage to a regular rental car other than not having to be fill it for the next person. Except that you do. |
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OT Yes the creep keeps rising and you cannot stop it
Bill wrote in
: I just checked, and they have a Toyota pickup truck in their car "line-up". If they put a stand at Menards and Home Depot, and I'll use it. Menards will rent you a Ford pickup (at least around here) for something like $20 for 75 minutes. Good enough to get a refrigerator home, but something loose and bulky like landscape stone might take longer to load and unload. I haven't needed to rent one yet, but just the plates for a year in IL will cost you 5 times the rental cost of the truck. Add insurance and you can rent the truck 10-20 times before it's cheaper than owning one. Puckdropper -- Make it to fit, don't make it fit. |
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Puckdropper wrote:
Bill wrote in : I just checked, and they have a Toyota pickup truck in their car "line-up". If they put a stand at Menards and Home Depot, and I'll use it. Menards will rent you a Ford pickup (at least around here) for something like $20 for 75 minutes. Good enough to get a refrigerator home, but something loose and bulky like landscape stone might take longer to load and unload. I haven't needed to rent one yet, but just the plates for a year in IL will cost you 5 times the rental cost of the truck. Add insurance and you can rent the truck 10-20 times before it's cheaper than owning one. Puckdropper Yes, Home Depot used to have a deal where if you spent over $100 you could have an hour of truck rental for free. But when I last asked about it no one there knew what I was talking about. |
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On 26 Sep 2013 22:00:09 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: Bill wrote in : I just checked, and they have a Toyota pickup truck in their car "line-up". If they put a stand at Menards and Home Depot, and I'll use it. Menards will rent you a Ford pickup (at least around here) for something like $20 for 75 minutes. Good enough to get a refrigerator home, but something loose and bulky like landscape stone might take longer to load and unload. Lowes doesn't charge for appliance delivery. For building materials, they also have trucks (bigger than a pickemup) for about the same $20. I haven't needed to rent one yet, but just the plates for a year in IL will cost you 5 times the rental cost of the truck. Add insurance and you can rent the truck 10-20 times before it's cheaper than owning one. Not as often as I use my truck. ;-) ...and I need a vehicle anyway. |
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OT Yes the creep keeps rising and you cannot stop it
On 9/26/2013 4:03 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:30:20 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 7:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:22:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 12:32 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. And apparently you still have to reserve the zipcar. What I *don't* need is a time-share car. ;-) I don't see the advantage to a regular rental car other than not having to be fill it for the next person. Except that you do. You only have to fill it, according to the web site, if the tank goes below 1/4. You do not pay for gas separately, it is included in the hourly price of renting along with insurance. |
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:46:50 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 9/26/2013 4:03 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:30:20 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 7:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:22:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 12:32 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. And apparently you still have to reserve the zipcar. What I *don't* need is a time-share car. ;-) I don't see the advantage to a regular rental car other than not having to be fill it for the next person. Except that you do. You only have to fill it, according to the web site, if the tank goes below 1/4. You do not pay for gas separately, it is included in the hourly price of renting along with insurance. Ah, I missed that. I thought it was a standard rental. I rented a car a couple of weeks ago (will do it again next week). I had to put[*] 2-1/2 gallons of gas in it, at $4.09/gallon (Lew should love that data point . [*] Boss had to pay ;-) |
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:46:50 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/26/2013 4:03 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:30:20 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 7:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:22:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 12:32 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. And apparently you still have to reserve the zipcar. What I *don't* need is a time-share car. ;-) I don't see the advantage to a regular rental car other than not having to be fill it for the next person. Except that you do. You only have to fill it, according to the web site, if the tank goes below 1/4. You do not pay for gas separately, it is included in the hourly price of renting along with insurance. Ah, I missed that. I thought it was a standard rental. I rented a car a couple of weeks ago (will do it again next week). I had to put[*] 2-1/2 gallons of gas in it, at $4.09/gallon (Lew should love that data point . [*] Boss had to pay ;-) At least in Indianapolis, these are supposed to be mostly electric cars. $35 millionto set it up, so there should be at least something to see. |
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OT Yes the creep keeps rising and you cannot stop it
Bill wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:46:50 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/26/2013 4:03 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:30:20 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 7:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:22:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 12:32 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. And apparently you still have to reserve the zipcar. What I *don't* need is a time-share car. ;-) I don't see the advantage to a regular rental car other than not having to be fill it for the next person. Except that you do. You only have to fill it, according to the web site, if the tank goes below 1/4. You do not pay for gas separately, it is included in the hourly price of renting along with insurance. Ah, I missed that. I thought it was a standard rental. I rented a car a couple of weeks ago (will do it again next week). I had to put[*] 2-1/2 gallons of gas in it, at $4.09/gallon (Lew should love that data point . [*] Boss had to pay ;-) At least in Indianapolis, these are supposed to be mostly electric cars. $35 millionto set it up, so there should be at least something to see. Well if these vehicles were gasoline, there should be about 2300 units. But then you need the specialized charging stations in tons of locations. On another note, Houston added rail for mass transit 10+ years ago, it was all political and a hot bed for controversy. For the first year there was a vehicle collision with the train, on average, every day. It was always the other guys fault, I think that is because the train is always in the right, right or wrong. Mysteriously the accidents are no longer breaking news and you very seldom hear of an accident these days. I suspect that this is because the daily occourance became boring to report on or the city maybe suggested that not so much attention be paid to the problem. An interesting note, one of the news sources determined that the rail system cost so much money that it would have been less expensive to have purchased a Ferrari for each rider. I wonder how many vehicles $35,000,000 puts in service and or if Ferrari's would be less expensive. I wonder how many |
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:46:50 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/26/2013 4:03 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:30:20 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 7:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:22:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 12:32 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. And apparently you still have to reserve the zipcar. What I *don't* need is a time-share car. ;-) I don't see the advantage to a regular rental car other than not having to be fill it for the next person. Except that you do. You only have to fill it, according to the web site, if the tank goes below 1/4. You do not pay for gas separately, it is included in the hourly price of renting along with insurance. Ah, I missed that. I thought it was a standard rental. I rented a car a couple of weeks ago (will do it again next week). I had to put[*] 2-1/2 gallons of gas in it, at $4.09/gallon (Lew should love that data point . [*] Boss had to pay ;-) I just noticed that Enterprise Leasing is offering basically the same type rental in Houston. I have never noticed that ad in the past. |
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Bill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:46:50 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/26/2013 4:03 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:30:20 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 7:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:22:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 12:32 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. And apparently you still have to reserve the zipcar. What I *don't* need is a time-share car. ;-) I don't see the advantage to a regular rental car other than not having to be fill it for the next person. Except that you do. You only have to fill it, according to the web site, if the tank goes below 1/4. You do not pay for gas separately, it is included in the hourly price of renting along with insurance. Ah, I missed that. I thought it was a standard rental. I rented a car a couple of weeks ago (will do it again next week). I had to put[*] 2-1/2 gallons of gas in it, at $4.09/gallon (Lew should love that data point . [*] Boss had to pay ;-) At least in Indianapolis, these are supposed to be mostly electric cars. $35 millionto set it up, so there should be at least something to see. Well if these vehicles were gasoline, there should be about 2300 units. But then you need the specialized charging stations in tons of locations. On another note, Houston added rail for mass transit 10+ years ago, it was all political and a hot bed for controversy. For the first year there was a vehicle collision with the train, on average, every day. It was always the other guys fault, I think that is because the train is always in the right, right or wrong. Mysteriously the accidents are no longer breaking news and you very seldom hear of an accident these days. I suspect that this is because the daily occourance became boring to report on or the city maybe suggested that not so much attention be paid to the problem. An interesting note, one of the news sources determined that the rail system cost so much money that it would have been less expensive to have purchased a Ferrari for each rider. I wonder how many vehicles $35,000,000 puts in service and or if Ferrari's would be less expensive. I wonder how many As you mentioned, the $35 million includes setting up charging stations, etc. It seem that it's the taxi-cab business that should be most concerned. |
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Ah, I missed that. I thought it was a standard rental. I rented a car a couple of weeks ago (will do it again next week). I had to put[*] 2-1/2 gallons of gas in it, at $4.09/gallon (Lew should love that data point . [*] Boss had to pay ;-) --------------------------------------------------------- Hertz just announced that in the major markets they will be offering a Tesla for $500/day. Assume that includes the $0.00/gal refuel charge. Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Somebody wrote: Ah, I missed that. I thought it was a standard rental. I rented a car a couple of weeks ago (will do it again next week). I had to put[*] 2-1/2 gallons of gas in it, at $4.09/gallon (Lew should love that data point . [*] Boss had to pay ;-) --------------------------------------------------------- Hertz just announced that in the major markets they will be offering a Tesla for $500/day. Assume that includes the $0.00/gal refuel charge. Lew He'll it should include a day at the Spa! |
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:25:57 -0500, Leon wrote:
Bill wrote: wrote: On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:46:50 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/26/2013 4:03 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:30:20 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 7:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:22:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 12:32 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. And apparently you still have to reserve the zipcar. What I *don't* need is a time-share car. ;-) I don't see the advantage to a regular rental car other than not having to be fill it for the next person. Except that you do. You only have to fill it, according to the web site, if the tank goes below 1/4. You do not pay for gas separately, it is included in the hourly price of renting along with insurance. Ah, I missed that. I thought it was a standard rental. I rented a car a couple of weeks ago (will do it again next week). I had to put[*] 2-1/2 gallons of gas in it, at $4.09/gallon (Lew should love that data point . [*] Boss had to pay ;-) At least in Indianapolis, these are supposed to be mostly electric cars. $35 millionto set it up, so there should be at least something to see. Well if these vehicles were gasoline, there should be about 2300 units. But then you need the specialized charging stations in tons of locations. On another note, Houston added rail for mass transit 10+ years ago, it was all political and a hot bed for controversy. For the first year there was a vehicle collision with the train, on average, every day. It was always the other guys fault, I think that is because the train is always in the right, right or wrong. Mysteriously the accidents are no longer breaking news and you very seldom hear of an accident these days. I suspect that this is because the daily occourance became boring to report on or the city maybe suggested that not so much attention be paid to the problem. An interesting note, one of the news sources determined that the rail system cost so much money that it would have been less expensive to have purchased a Ferrari for each rider. I wonder how many vehicles $35,000,000 puts in service and or if Ferrari's would be less expensive. I wonder how many But it's for the children! |
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:08:13 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: Somebody wrote: Ah, I missed that. I thought it was a standard rental. I rented a car a couple of weeks ago (will do it again next week). I had to put[*] 2-1/2 gallons of gas in it, at $4.09/gallon (Lew should love that data point . [*] Boss had to pay ;-) --------------------------------------------------------- Hertz just announced that in the major markets they will be offering a Tesla for $500/day. Oh, wonderful. I can get a standard sized car for about 1/20th that and drive it as far as I want. Assume that includes the $0.00/gal refuel charges. Does it have to be returned fully charged? |
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:25:57 -0500, Leon wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:46:50 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/26/2013 4:03 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:30:20 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 7:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:22:31 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 9/25/2013 12:32 PM, wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:50:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 9/24/2013 7:21 PM, wrote: Already a system is currently going up in Indianapolis, where you can "share" an electric car--dropping it off at one of numerous designated recharge stations. Oh, good grief, that's dumb! What's the cost of that? Two possibilities 1. http://www.zipcar.com/ 2. Buy shares, just as aircraft owners often do. If you're an OCCAISIONAL user of the appliance, it sometimes makes sense to lease it. If the taxpayer gets involved, it makes sense more often. Works for the occasional user, not the daily commuter. That's what it's being sold as here. ...just grab one from the pool and drive off - not going to work. And apparently you still have to reserve the zipcar. What I *don't* need is a time-share car. ;-) I don't see the advantage to a regular rental car other than not having to be fill it for the next person. Except that you do. You only have to fill it, according to the web site, if the tank goes below 1/4. You do not pay for gas separately, it is included in the hourly price of renting along with insurance. Ah, I missed that. I thought it was a standard rental. I rented a car a couple of weeks ago (will do it again next week). I had to put[*] 2-1/2 gallons of gas in it, at $4.09/gallon (Lew should love that data point . [*] Boss had to pay ;-) I just noticed that Enterprise Leasing is offering basically the same type rental in Houston. I have never noticed that ad in the past. I guess there were rental options. I could have bought a whole tank of gas for $3.50/gallon or paid for them to fill it at $5.00 per gallon. Neither made any sense (and are specifically discouraged by accounting). |
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On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:05:10 -0400, Bill wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:12:42 -0500, Leon wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote: My guess is that in 10 years or less, the majority of vehicles manufactured will be electric. -------------------------------------------------- wrote: I'm not quite that optimistic, but I can envision it happening within the next quarter century. With entrepreneurs like Tesla fully committed to electric vehicle promotion, it will happen sooner than later. Add onto that the fact that the Tesla *looks damned good* IMHO, the electric car field has nowhere to go except up. ------------------------------------------------------ That 10 year number comes from the industry itself, not me, I'm just the messenger. Lew Well first Lew, you say "your guess" is that in 10 years or less the "majority" of vehicles will be electric. Now you say this number comes from the industry. That industry naturally will make that claim, it's make it or break it time. That industry needs an enormous infusion of cash from investors to be able to mass produce a vehicle that will actually perform and go the distance and be at least equal in amenities as the much much lower price vehicles available right now with gasoline/diesel engines. I hope that 10 years is a realistic and achievable time frame but I don't see the trend growing that fast. It seems to be growing fast because of all of the attention it is getting but I am still seeing, in Houston, the vast majority of new vehicles being equipped with the traditional internal combustion engine. Many more hurdles will have to be over come before the "majority of new vehicle buyers make the switch. My bet is that in ten years there will be FEWER electric and hybrid cars on the market than there are now. Cars won't be smaller or get much better mileage and barring (even more) government meddling, gas won't be much more expensive in a decade, either. Two decades, even. Mercedes, IIRC, suggests they will have a "self-driving car" by the end of the decade. I expect an increase in mass transit, and fewer cars. A self-driving car would seem to support various forms of "sharing". Self-driving cars, or some subset of such, is a definite possibility. Mass transit, not a chance. No one wants it and there is no money to pay for it if they did. ================================================== ====================== Seattle mass transit, they say, has record ridership but according to the politicos, they are going to have to raise taxes on everyone to keep it running. Now that's an efficient system. The plan is to raise vehicle license rate so those of us that don't use the public system get to pay for it. |
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