On 7/12/2013 6:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
Took long enough ... finally delivered this today:

I've been wondering about this for a while. Your table top consists (I
assume) of two pieces of 3/4" solid wood glued up as a panel, surrounded
by (two layers of) border.

I have considered trying to make something that is conceptually similar;
a table made of several slats of solid wood with some sort of border
around the edges. I have been advised against attaching an end piece to
cover the end grain of the main panel; expansion and contraction of the
panel boards will eventually break something, apparently.

But in this (very nice) piece, I see exactly that:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...031 842824786

Is it the full (four-sided) border that makes this OK somehow? (as
opposed to just covering the two end-grain edges). Or does the addition
of splines in the corners strengthen the border enough to counteract the
movement of the panel pieces?

Greg Guarino wrote:
On 7/12/2013 6:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
Took long enough ... finally delivered this today:

I've been wondering about this for a while. Your table top consists (I
assume) of two pieces of 3/4" solid wood glued up as a panel, surrounded
by (two layers of) border.

I have considered trying to make something that is conceptually similar;
a table made of several slats of solid wood with some sort of border
around the edges. I have been advised against attaching an end piece to
cover the end grain of the main panel; expansion and contraction of the
panel boards will eventually break something, apparently.

But in this (very nice) piece, I see exactly that:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...031 842824786

Is it the full (four-sided) border that makes this OK somehow? (as
opposed to just covering the two end-grain edges). Or does the addition
of splines in the corners strengthen the border enough to counteract the
movement of the panel pieces?

You do not want to frame a "solid wood" panel of any type in that manner.

You can get away with that type of framing in the photo when using a
veneered panel, made by gluing veneer on both sides of a dimensionally
stable substrate like MDF; or using some nicely figured plywood with the
veneer of your choice within the frame.

Because two sides of a "solid wood" framed panel are always going to be
"cross grain", you must make allowances for the inevitable cross grain
movement within any frame, like with a flat or raised panel door; or with
breadboard ends on the two cross grain ends on a table top, etc.

Also, be careful with the term "solid wood. In the commercial cabinet and
furniture industry, plywood is considered "solid wood".

--
www.ewoodshop.com (Mobile)

On 8/27/2013 6:21 AM, Swingman wrote:
Greg Guarino wrote:
On 7/12/2013 6:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
Took long enough ... finally delivered this today:

I've been wondering about this for a while. Your table top consists (I
assume) of two pieces of 3/4" solid wood glued up as a panel, surrounded
by (two layers of) border.

I have considered trying to make something that is conceptually similar;
a table made of several slats of solid wood with some sort of border
around the edges. I have been advised against attaching an end piece to
cover the end grain of the main panel; expansion and contraction of the
panel boards will eventually break something, apparently.

But in this (very nice) piece, I see exactly that:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...031 842824786

Is it the full (four-sided) border that makes this OK somehow? (as
opposed to just covering the two end-grain edges). Or does the addition
of splines in the corners strengthen the border enough to counteract the
movement of the panel pieces?

You do not want to frame a "solid wood" panel of any type in that manner.

You can get away with that type of framing in the photo when using a
veneered panel, made by gluing veneer on both sides of a dimensionally
stable substrate like MDF; or using some nicely figured plywood with the
veneer of your choice within the frame.

Because two sides of a "solid wood" framed panel are always going to be
"cross grain", you must make allowances for the inevitable cross grain
movement within any frame, like with a flat or raised panel door; or with
breadboard ends on the two cross grain ends on a table top, etc.

Also, be careful with the term "solid wood. In the commercial cabinet and
furniture industry, plywood is considered "solid wood".

So the table top in the photo is veneer over some substrate?

On 8/27/2013 5:43 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/27/2013 6:21 AM, Swingman wrote:
Greg Guarino wrote:
On 7/12/2013 6:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
Took long enough ... finally delivered this today:

I've been wondering about this for a while. Your table top consists (I
assume) of two pieces of 3/4" solid wood glued up as a panel, surrounded
by (two layers of) border.

I have considered trying to make something that is conceptually similar;
a table made of several slats of solid wood with some sort of border
around the edges. I have been advised against attaching an end piece to
cover the end grain of the main panel; expansion and contraction of the
panel boards will eventually break something, apparently.

But in this (very nice) piece, I see exactly that:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...031 842824786


Is it the full (four-sided) border that makes this OK somehow? (as
opposed to just covering the two end-grain edges). Or does the addition
of splines in the corners strengthen the border enough to counteract the
movement of the panel pieces?

You do not want to frame a "solid wood" panel of any type in that manner.

You can get away with that type of framing in the photo when using a
veneered panel, made by gluing veneer on both sides of a dimensionally
stable substrate like MDF; or using some nicely figured plywood with the
veneer of your choice within the frame.

Because two sides of a "solid wood" framed panel are always going to be
"cross grain", you must make allowances for the inevitable cross grain
movement within any frame, like with a flat or raised panel door; or with
breadboard ends on the two cross grain ends on a table top, etc.

Also, be careful with the term "solid wood. In the commercial cabinet and
furniture industry, plywood is considered "solid wood".

So the table top in the photo is veneer over some substrate?

Nothing mysterious/exotic ... 3/4" A1 Walnut Plywood (Domestic),
selected and cut for best grain effect.

--
eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com
Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
https://plus.google.com/114902129577517371552/posts
http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)

On 8/27/2013 7:46 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 8/27/2013 5:43 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/27/2013 6:21 AM, Swingman wrote:
Greg Guarino wrote:
On 7/12/2013 6:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
Took long enough ... finally delivered this today:

I've been wondering about this for a while. Your table top consists (I
assume) of two pieces of 3/4" solid wood glued up as a panel,
surrounded
by (two layers of) border.

I have considered trying to make something that is conceptually
similar;
a table made of several slats of solid wood with some sort of border
around the edges. I have been advised against attaching an end piece to
cover the end grain of the main panel; expansion and contraction of the
panel boards will eventually break something, apparently.

But in this (very nice) piece, I see exactly that:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...031 842824786



Is it the full (four-sided) border that makes this OK somehow? (as
opposed to just covering the two end-grain edges). Or does the addition
of splines in the corners strengthen the border enough to counteract
the
movement of the panel pieces?

You do not want to frame a "solid wood" panel of any type in that
manner.

You can get away with that type of framing in the photo when using a
veneered panel, made by gluing veneer on both sides of a dimensionally
stable substrate like MDF; or using some nicely figured plywood with the
veneer of your choice within the frame.

Because two sides of a "solid wood" framed panel are always going to be
"cross grain", you must make allowances for the inevitable cross grain
movement within any frame, like with a flat or raised panel door; or
with
breadboard ends on the two cross grain ends on a table top, etc.

Also, be careful with the term "solid wood. In the commercial cabinet
and
furniture industry, plywood is considered "solid wood".

So the table top in the photo is veneer over some substrate?

Nothing mysterious/exotic ... 3/4" A1 Walnut Plywood (Domestic),
selected and cut for best grain effect.

Ah. It's ply. Now I understand. Thanks.

On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:28:33 -0400, Greg Guarino
wrote:



Nothing mysterious/exotic ... 3/4" A1 Walnut Plywood (Domestic),
selected and cut for best grain effect.

Ah. It's ply. Now I understand. Thanks.

Don't be afraid to use plywood in the right application. It can look
every bit as good as the solid wood and be more stable. It woks well
with a solid wood edge trim.

On 8/27/2013 7:46 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 8/27/2013 5:43 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/27/2013 6:21 AM, Swingman wrote:
Greg Guarino wrote:
On 7/12/2013 6:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
Took long enough ... finally delivered this today:

I've been wondering about this for a while. Your table top consists (I
assume) of two pieces of 3/4" solid wood glued up as a panel,
surrounded
by (two layers of) border.

I have considered trying to make something that is conceptually
similar;
a table made of several slats of solid wood with some sort of border
around the edges. I have been advised against attaching an end piece to
cover the end grain of the main panel; expansion and contraction of the
panel boards will eventually break something, apparently.

But in this (very nice) piece, I see exactly that:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...031 842824786



Is it the full (four-sided) border that makes this OK somehow? (as
opposed to just covering the two end-grain edges). Or does the addition
of splines in the corners strengthen the border enough to counteract
the
movement of the panel pieces?

You do not want to frame a "solid wood" panel of any type in that
manner.

You can get away with that type of framing in the photo when using a
veneered panel, made by gluing veneer on both sides of a dimensionally
stable substrate like MDF; or using some nicely figured plywood with the
veneer of your choice within the frame.

Because two sides of a "solid wood" framed panel are always going to be
"cross grain", you must make allowances for the inevitable cross grain
movement within any frame, like with a flat or raised panel door; or
with
breadboard ends on the two cross grain ends on a table top, etc.

Also, be careful with the term "solid wood. In the commercial cabinet
and
furniture industry, plywood is considered "solid wood".

So the table top in the photo is veneer over some substrate?

Nothing mysterious/exotic ... 3/4" A1 Walnut Plywood (Domestic),
selected and cut for best grain effect.

I'm curious. Does this mean that tables of similar design were not made
before plywood (and chipboard, mdf, etc.) existed?

On 8/28/2013 10:17 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/27/2013 7:46 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 8/27/2013 5:43 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 8/27/2013 6:21 AM, Swingman wrote:
Greg Guarino wrote:
On 7/12/2013 6:06 PM, Swingman wrote:
Took long enough ... finally delivered this today:

I've been wondering about this for a while. Your table top consists (I
assume) of two pieces of 3/4" solid wood glued up as a panel,
surrounded
by (two layers of) border.

I have considered trying to make something that is conceptually
similar;
a table made of several slats of solid wood with some sort of border
around the edges. I have been advised against attaching an end
piece to
cover the end grain of the main panel; expansion and contraction of
the
panel boards will eventually break something, apparently.

But in this (very nice) piece, I see exactly that:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...031 842824786




Is it the full (four-sided) border that makes this OK somehow? (as
opposed to just covering the two end-grain edges). Or does the
addition
of splines in the corners strengthen the border enough to counteract
the
movement of the panel pieces?

You do not want to frame a "solid wood" panel of any type in that
manner.

You can get away with that type of framing in the photo when using a
veneered panel, made by gluing veneer on both sides of a dimensionally
stable substrate like MDF; or using some nicely figured plywood with
the
veneer of your choice within the frame.

Because two sides of a "solid wood" framed panel are always going to be
"cross grain", you must make allowances for the inevitable cross grain
movement within any frame, like with a flat or raised panel door; or
with
breadboard ends on the two cross grain ends on a table top, etc.

Also, be careful with the term "solid wood. In the commercial cabinet
and
furniture industry, plywood is considered "solid wood".

So the table top in the photo is veneer over some substrate?

Nothing mysterious/exotic ... 3/4" A1 Walnut Plywood (Domestic),
selected and cut for best grain effect.

I'm curious. Does this mean that tables of similar design were not made
before plywood (and chipboard, mdf, etc.) existed?

May be not, at least not with any great results. AAMOF plywood has been
around for thousands of years, the ancient Egyptians invented it IIRC.