On 01 Aug 2012 02:34:06 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

Mike M wrote in
:


How about a thank you for the heads up. I ordered 2 online. 60 miles
round trip into Seattle for me so $6.99 shipping is a no brainer. Out
where I live in the foothills every peckerwood tourist drives 10-15
mph under the speed limit so I would just as soon stay off the road.
I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why?

Mike M

I've been unimpressed by something's pricing and set out to build one of
my own several times. Occasionally, it works great. 30 minutes in the
shop and I've got a new tool/jig/whatever. More often than not, however,
it works out that I spend more time and money trying to copy something
than I would have if I had just bought the thing.

redfaced grin


Never going to quit, however. The design part is fun and sometimes the
greater understanding from attempting to build one helps when using the
commercial version.

Absolutely.


Still haven't decided if I want to copy the HF 1x30 belt sander to
"improve" it... I have one, but it would be nice to have something that's
easy to change belts on (that'll be the hardest part) and variable speed.
Oh well, I've got other things to do.

Nah. Just redesign the belt-changer for the existing sander. My Delter
1x30 is my most-used sander.

--
Another belief of mine: that everyone else my age is an adult,
whereas I am merely in disguise.
-- Margaret Atwood

On 8/1/2012 10:33 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
On 7/31/2012 10:39 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 7/31/2012 9:34 PM, Puckdropper wrote:

I've been unimpressed by something's pricing and set out to build one of
my own several times. Occasionally, it works great. 30 minutes in the
shop and I've got a new tool/jig/whatever. More often than not,
however,
it works out that I spend more time and money trying to copy something
than I would have if I had just bought the thing.

Never going to quit, however. The design part is fun and sometimes the
greater understanding from attempting to build one helps when using the
commercial version.

Agreed. But fun often has to take a back seat to meeting a deadline and
paying the bills ...


Agreed on both accounts.

Now does anyone know what issue the box joint jig that they sell plans
to on the woodsmith site came from. The jig plans/parts have been out of
stock... been so for a long time, maybe time to see if I can get a back
issue to get the plan.

Cataract surgery went well yesterday, seeing things I haven't been able
to see in a long time. But I am having some wierd vision coming and
going, but also some peripheral that I am not used to. Feels wierd.
It'll be a few days before I get in front of a saw.. Just not feeling
confident yet. I'd like to get my vision stabilized or used to this new
feeling.



Good to hear! Getting use to seeing more is kinda weird. I have had
glasses since I was 7. About 20 years ago I tried contacts and my
peripheral vision became much better as you are experiencing. Not only
seeing things in focus through your glasses is a bit distracting. You
will get used to it. IIRC I only noticed all the other stuff in focus
for 3 or 4 days then it became business as usual.
Think of it as no longer having tunnel vision.

On 8/1/2012 8:49 PM, Artemus wrote:
In spite of the opinions to the contrary I knocked this one out in
about half an hour, including head scratching (design) time. It isn't
the prettiest thing but it works well and goes on or off the clamp in
a minute or two. Making 4 more would probably take less than an
hour.

I certainly applaud your ingenuity, but my "opinions" on this issue were
formulated having done literally thousands of pocket holes for hundreds
of face frames, and from what I see in the pictures, it is doubtful that
your current iteration would work consistently enough for what I do for
two reasons:

Two reference edges are ideal to keep the workpieces joined properly
during the operation, one usually supplied by the work surface itself,
and the other provided by the clamp, which the Rockler provides in spades.

Your current iteration does not provide that ability, although it could
if you do as Mike suggested.

And, what I consider the insurmountable weak point of your design,
having done that many pocket holes, and used many different clamping
system when doing so, I still question whether a sufficient amount of
clamping force to keep the pieces aligned when screwing them together
can be appliqued using that type of clamp,

The Rockler uses a screw type mechanism, which provides a tremendous
amount of clamping pressure.

Nicely done though, but for ten bucks I'd still opt for and buy the
Rockler in a heartbeat rather than try to make one ... which and once
again, and after all for the umpteenth time:

**_was the purpose of my original post_**

All that notwithstanding, and providing it works for you, well done!

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On 7/31/2012 8:07 PM, Swingman wrote:
C'mon guys ... the point of the PSA post is the ten buck price point
being a 54% savings off the usual retail of a useful item.

Just holding the damned thing in your hand will convince you that it's
worth ten bucks; and using as I described will convince you that it's
well worth the normal retail price if you do a fair amount of pocket
hole joinery.

As far as making one ... if I had to buy more than a few at retail,
maybe. For ten bucks, no way in hell ...

If there's any doubt, check the prices on a suitable clamp that will
exert the same necessary force, for starters.

Interestingly, minutes before reading your initial post on this, I was
reading a Rockler ad for this product and thought about getting it, then
decided nah, I already have too much stuff I don't use/need.

Then, I read your post and said, what the heck, seemed like a good deal
and I do like pocket joints. I went out and bought it, and a glue
spreader. Both quality products and well worth the small price.

Thanks for the tip...

PS, I also bought a new CS, went with Makita 5007MG, not just on your
advice though, I put it in my hand before buying it via the net. Your
advice was in the mix though. It felt better than all the other saws,
but I did want a laser light on the sucker... Oh well.

--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
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On 8/1/2012 2:29 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article ,
Swingman wrote:

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675

Had me excited for a moment; I thought it was a jig. Turns out
that it's a clamp, and I'm not sure what it can do that my
existing pipe clamps can't do.

Pipe clamps seem massive over kill for this job. I generally just hand
hold my face frames against my saw fence and screw them together and
they come out perfect every single time. Sometimes that's a little
awkward so I bought the clamp. I can't fathom using a pipe clamp on a
face frame for pocket holes? I bought this because it looks simple to
use with the quick release and all. Haven't used it yet though.

--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

On 8/2/2012 12:16 PM, Jack wrote:
On 8/1/2012 2:29 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article ,
Swingman wrote:

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675

Had me excited for a moment; I thought it was a jig. Turns out
that it's a clamp, and I'm not sure what it can do that my
existing pipe clamps can't do.

Pipe clamps seem massive over kill for this job. I generally just hand
hold my face frames against my saw fence and screw them together and
they come out perfect every single time. Sometimes that's a little
awkward so I bought the clamp. I can't fathom using a pipe clamp on a
face frame for pocket holes? I bought this because it looks simple to
use with the quick release and all. Haven't used it yet though.



More than anything this clamp does not replace what you have so much as
give you more work room and eliminates a long heavier clamp. It puts
the pressure only where you need it.

On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:12:26 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
More than anything this clamp does not replace what you have so much as
give you more work room and eliminates a long heavier clamp. It puts
the pressure only where you need it.

You're still talking about that little Kreg clamp right? What I liked
about it was that it seemed perfect for aligning the two pieces of
wood while putting the initial screw into an adjacent pocket hole.

Add onto that the relative pain of using long pipe or other types of
clamps and it seems a clear winner.

I'm seriously thinking of getting a buddy in the US to send me a pair.

On 8/2/12 1:12 PM, Leon wrote:
On 8/2/2012 12:16 PM, Jack wrote:
On 8/1/2012 2:29 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article ,
Swingman wrote:

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675

Had me excited for a moment; I thought it was a jig. Turns out
that it's a clamp, and I'm not sure what it can do that my
existing pipe clamps can't do.

Pipe clamps seem massive over kill for this job. I generally just hand
hold my face frames against my saw fence and screw them together and
they come out perfect every single time. Sometimes that's a little
awkward so I bought the clamp. I can't fathom using a pipe clamp on a
face frame for pocket holes? I bought this because it looks simple to
use with the quick release and all. Haven't used it yet though.



More than anything this clamp does not replace what you have so much as
give you more work room and eliminates a long heavier clamp. It puts
the pressure only where you need it.

And it fits next to the screwdrivers.


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On 8/2/2012 1:48 PM, -MIKE- wrote:


More than anything this clamp does not replace what you have so much as
give you more work room and eliminates a long heavier clamp. It puts
the pressure only where you need it.

And it fits next to the screwdrivers.




Yeah!/ where did I put my screw drivers. LOL

It actually fits nicely in the Kreg box kit that holds the jigs, clamps,
and separate storage for screws on top.

"-MIKE-" wrote in message ...
On 8/1/12 8:49 PM, Artemus wrote:
"Artemus" wrote in message ...

It seems to me that it would be trivial to make an equivalent device
using a block of wood, a dowel, and a quick grip clamp. Replace
the fixed jaw on the clamp with the wood block which has the dowel
inserted at the 15 degree angle. The result is a faster and easier to
operate device than the Rockler one. Much cheaper too.
Art


In spite of the opinions to the contrary I knocked this one out in
about half an hour, including head scratching (design) time. It isn't
the prettiest thing but it works well and goes on or off the clamp in
a minute or two. Making 4 more would probably take less than an
hour.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6774349...7630862306460/
Art


Make the piece on the right longer so that both piece being screwed together are
sitting on that same piece and it'll do what the Rockler does.

-MIKE-

Good point, I overlooked that.
Thanks.
Art

"Swingman" wrote in message
...
On 8/1/2012 8:49 PM, Artemus wrote:
In spite of the opinions to the contrary I knocked this one out in
about half an hour, including head scratching (design) time. It isn't
the prettiest thing but it works well and goes on or off the clamp in
a minute or two. Making 4 more would probably take less than an
hour.

I certainly applaud your ingenuity, but my "opinions" on this issue were formulated
having done literally thousands of pocket holes for hundreds of face frames, and
from what I see in the pictures, it is doubtful that your current iteration would
work consistently enough for what I do for two reasons:

Two reference edges are ideal to keep the workpieces joined properly during the
operation, one usually supplied by the work surface itself, and the other provided
by the clamp, which the Rockler provides in spades.

Your current iteration does not provide that ability, although it could if you do
as Mike suggested.

And, what I consider the insurmountable weak point of your design, having done that
many pocket holes, and used many different clamping system when doing so, I still
question whether a sufficient amount of clamping force to keep the pieces aligned
when screwing them together can be appliqued using that type of clamp,

The Rockler uses a screw type mechanism, which provides a tremendous amount of
clamping pressure.

Nicely done though, but for ten bucks I'd still opt for and buy the Rockler in a
heartbeat rather than try to make one ... which and once again, and after all for
the umpteenth time:

**_was the purpose of my original post_**

All that notwithstanding, and providing it works for you, well done!

Thank you.
Art