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Best bang for ten bucks ...
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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On 7/31/12 3:01 PM, Swingman wrote:
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... Both, together, work very well. It seems like one without the other allows the seem to slip when the screw enters, about every other time. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote:
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often. I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler. |
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On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote: http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often. I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler. I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar, and employees to pay. Seriously, I highly suspect that at $10 they are still making 500% mark up and still not price gouging. You don't have to buy it, if it were something you could not live with out, then maybe price gouging. |
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On 7/31/2012 5:26 PM, Leon wrote:
On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote: http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often. I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler. I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar, and employees to pay. You save $12.00 the regular price is $21.95. Seriously, I highly suspect that at $10 they are still making 500% mark up and still not price gouging. You don't have to buy it, if it were something you could not live with out, then maybe price gouging. |
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On 7/31/2012 4:36 PM, Rita and Neil Ward wrote:
On 7/31/2012 5:26 PM, Leon wrote: On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote: http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often. I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler. I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar, and employees to pay. You save $12.00 the regular price is $21.95. Oops, thank you Rita! |
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On 7/31/2012 4:36 PM, Rita and Neil Ward wrote:
On 7/31/2012 5:26 PM, Leon wrote: On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote: http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often. I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler. I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar, and employees to pay. You save $12.00 the regular price is $21.95. Oops, thank you Rita! |
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On 7/31/2012 4:26 PM, Leon wrote:
On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote: http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often. I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler. I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar, and employees to pay. Seriously, I highly suspect that at $10 they are still making 500% mark up and still not price gouging. You don't have to buy it, if it were something you could not live with out, then maybe price gouging. Oooooooooooooops Nevermind. Still there is normally remarkably high mark up on inexpensive products. |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:26:40 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote: http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often. I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler. I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar, and employees to pay. Regular price is $22, save $12, guys. And the $22 is gouging, IMnsHO. Who do they think they are, Veritas? (sorry, Rob, but...) I'd probably make my own (modify the head on a a quick-release clamp like this? http://tinyurl.com/c3xjp2k ) vs. buying one at the regular price. Seriously, I highly suspect that at $10 they are still making 500% mark up Probably so. -- Another belief of mine: that everyone else my age is an adult, whereas I am merely in disguise. -- Margaret Atwood |
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On 7/31/2012 8:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:26:40 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote: http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often. I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler. I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar, and employees to pay. Regular price is $22, save $12, guys. And the $22 is gouging, IMnsHO. Who do they think they are, Veritas? (sorry, Rob, but...) What in the world does Veritas and or Rob have to do with anything??? You might be shocked if you knew how much mark up there is on clothing. Bottled water?? Those valve stems on you car wheels have at least 1,000 % mark up. Seriously the amount of profit made on a product has absolutely no effect on whether you should buy it or not. Can you afford it or not? |
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On 8/1/12 7:06 AM, Leon wrote:
On 7/31/2012 8:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:26:40 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote: http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often. I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler. I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar, and employees to pay. Regular price is $22, save $12, guys. And the $22 is gouging, IMnsHO. Who do they think they are, Veritas? (sorry, Rob, but...) What in the world does Veritas and or Rob have to do with anything??? You might be shocked if you knew how much mark up there is on clothing. Bottled water?? Those valve stems on you car wheels have at least 1,000 % mark up. Seriously the amount of profit made on a product has absolutely no effect on whether you should buy it or not. Can you afford it or not? It always cracks me up when someone says, "It probably only costs them $X to make that and they're ripping us off by selling it for $XX!" Since when does how much something costs have anything to do with what is charged for it? If that clamp cost them more than $2 to make in China, I'd be surprised. That is irrelevant. They guy who complains the loudest is usually the one complaining about a client not wanting to pay what he wants to charge for woodworking/carpentry. :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:06:43 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
On 7/31/2012 8:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:26:40 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote: http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often. I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler. I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar, and employees to pay. Regular price is $22, save $12, guys. And the $22 is gouging, IMnsHO. Who do they think they are, Veritas? (sorry, Rob, but...) What in the world does Veritas and or Rob have to do with anything??? You might be shocked if you knew how much mark up there is on clothing. Bottled water?? Those valve stems on you car wheels have at least 1,000 % mark up. Seriously the amount of profit made on a product has absolutely no effect on whether you should buy it or not. Can you afford it or not? Afford? Which do you want more, the widget or the money? That's the definition of "worth". Both the purchaser and the seller agree on the "worth" and are happy with the transaction (or it doesn't occur). |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:06:43 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 7/31/2012 8:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:26:40 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 7/31/2012 4:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote: On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote: http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often. I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler. I have to say, if they are making money at $10, regular price at $12 is not price gouging. They do have insurance, inventory, brick and mortar, and employees to pay. Regular price is $22, save $12, guys. And the $22 is gouging, IMnsHO. Who do they think they are, Veritas? (sorry, Rob, but...) What in the world does Veritas and or Rob have to do with anything??? Rob Lee, not Robatoy, silly. You might be shocked if you knew how much mark up there is on clothing. Bottled water?? Those valve stems on you car wheels have at least 1,000 % mark up. Seriously the amount of profit made on a product has absolutely no effect on whether you should buy it or not. Can you afford it or not? I make a concerted effort NOT to reward the folks who make windfall profits on anything they sell, from gum on up to vehicles and homes. Speaking of valve stems, I was starting to mow when I turned a corner and the tractor didn't follow the steering wheel. Just about that time I saw the left front tire come off the outside bead of the rim. sigh It took me about ten minutes to go get the jack, a piece of rope, a stick, fill the pig tank, grab a chuck and the valve stem key, and hogtie the thing back into fullness of air. 5 minutes later, after everything was ut away, I continued my mowing. Things ran a whole lot smoother after that. -- Another belief of mine: that everyone else my age is an adult, whereas I am merely in disguise. -- Margaret Atwood |
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On 7/31/2012 5:04 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01:09 PM UTC-7, Swingman wrote: http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop Do you suppose they are making any money at $9.99. I suppose yes. So normally $12.00 more seems a bit like a bit of gouging. I understand they are a specialty retailer so need to have bigger margins to cover the lower volumes and high cost of holding rare inventory for long periods but this confirms to me that their a bit out of line on pricing quite often. I have a lot of fun near my home where a Harbor Freight is 20 feet away fom Rockler. You suck. For me I have Woodcraft 1 hour away. HF 1 hour away. Just can't get there easily. Rockler doesn't exist for me unless it's online. |
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"Swingman" wrote in message ... http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... That link states online only. It seems to me that it would be trivial to make an equivalent device using a block of wood, a dowel, and a quick grip clamp. Replace the fixed jaw on the clamp with the wood block which has the dowel inserted at the 15 degree angle. The result is a faster and easier to operate device than the Rockler one. Much cheaper too. Art |
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On Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:24:10 PM UTC-7, Artemus wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message ... http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... That link states online only. It seems to me that it would be trivial to make an equivalent device using a block of wood, a dowel, and a quick grip clamp. Replace the fixed jaw on the clamp with the wood block which has the dowel inserted at the 15 degree angle. The result is a faster and easier to operate device than the Rockler one. Much cheaper too. Art Actually had another thought also. I wonder if it will work well with my machine made pocket holes that are at 10 or 7 degrees? |
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On 7/31/2012 4:24 PM, Artemus wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message ... http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Stopped by and picked one up this morning for 9.99 (already have one without the quick release and I've taken to using one, along with a vice grip style hand clamp, over all other methods). FWIW ... That link states online only. As I stated, I picked one up locally for the same price. It was included in a "one day sale" email flyer from our local Rockler. -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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"Artemus" wrote in message ... It seems to me that it would be trivial to make an equivalent device using a block of wood, a dowel, and a quick grip clamp. Replace the fixed jaw on the clamp with the wood block which has the dowel inserted at the 15 degree angle. The result is a faster and easier to operate device than the Rockler one. Much cheaper too. Art In spite of the opinions to the contrary I knocked this one out in about half an hour, including head scratching (design) time. It isn't the prettiest thing but it works well and goes on or off the clamp in a minute or two. Making 4 more would probably take less than an hour. http://www.flickr.com/photos/6774349...7630862306460/ Art |
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On 8/1/12 8:49 PM, Artemus wrote:
"Artemus" wrote in message ... It seems to me that it would be trivial to make an equivalent device using a block of wood, a dowel, and a quick grip clamp. Replace the fixed jaw on the clamp with the wood block which has the dowel inserted at the 15 degree angle. The result is a faster and easier to operate device than the Rockler one. Much cheaper too. Art In spite of the opinions to the contrary I knocked this one out in about half an hour, including head scratching (design) time. It isn't the prettiest thing but it works well and goes on or off the clamp in a minute or two. Making 4 more would probably take less than an hour. http://www.flickr.com/photos/6774349...7630862306460/ Art Make the piece on the right longer so that both piece being screwed together are sitting on that same piece and it'll do what the Rockler does. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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"-MIKE-" wrote in message ... On 8/1/12 8:49 PM, Artemus wrote: "Artemus" wrote in message ... It seems to me that it would be trivial to make an equivalent device using a block of wood, a dowel, and a quick grip clamp. Replace the fixed jaw on the clamp with the wood block which has the dowel inserted at the 15 degree angle. The result is a faster and easier to operate device than the Rockler one. Much cheaper too. Art In spite of the opinions to the contrary I knocked this one out in about half an hour, including head scratching (design) time. It isn't the prettiest thing but it works well and goes on or off the clamp in a minute or two. Making 4 more would probably take less than an hour. http://www.flickr.com/photos/6774349...7630862306460/ Art Make the piece on the right longer so that both piece being screwed together are sitting on that same piece and it'll do what the Rockler does. -MIKE- Good point, I overlooked that. Thanks. Art |
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On 8/1/2012 8:49 PM, Artemus wrote:
In spite of the opinions to the contrary I knocked this one out in about half an hour, including head scratching (design) time. It isn't the prettiest thing but it works well and goes on or off the clamp in a minute or two. Making 4 more would probably take less than an hour. I certainly applaud your ingenuity, but my "opinions" on this issue were formulated having done literally thousands of pocket holes for hundreds of face frames, and from what I see in the pictures, it is doubtful that your current iteration would work consistently enough for what I do for two reasons: Two reference edges are ideal to keep the workpieces joined properly during the operation, one usually supplied by the work surface itself, and the other provided by the clamp, which the Rockler provides in spades. Your current iteration does not provide that ability, although it could if you do as Mike suggested. And, what I consider the insurmountable weak point of your design, having done that many pocket holes, and used many different clamping system when doing so, I still question whether a sufficient amount of clamping force to keep the pieces aligned when screwing them together can be appliqued using that type of clamp, The Rockler uses a screw type mechanism, which provides a tremendous amount of clamping pressure. Nicely done though, but for ten bucks I'd still opt for and buy the Rockler in a heartbeat rather than try to make one ... which and once again, and after all for the umpteenth time: **_was the purpose of my original post_** All that notwithstanding, and providing it works for you, well done! -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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"Swingman" wrote in message ... On 8/1/2012 8:49 PM, Artemus wrote: In spite of the opinions to the contrary I knocked this one out in about half an hour, including head scratching (design) time. It isn't the prettiest thing but it works well and goes on or off the clamp in a minute or two. Making 4 more would probably take less than an hour. I certainly applaud your ingenuity, but my "opinions" on this issue were formulated having done literally thousands of pocket holes for hundreds of face frames, and from what I see in the pictures, it is doubtful that your current iteration would work consistently enough for what I do for two reasons: Two reference edges are ideal to keep the workpieces joined properly during the operation, one usually supplied by the work surface itself, and the other provided by the clamp, which the Rockler provides in spades. Your current iteration does not provide that ability, although it could if you do as Mike suggested. And, what I consider the insurmountable weak point of your design, having done that many pocket holes, and used many different clamping system when doing so, I still question whether a sufficient amount of clamping force to keep the pieces aligned when screwing them together can be appliqued using that type of clamp, The Rockler uses a screw type mechanism, which provides a tremendous amount of clamping pressure. Nicely done though, but for ten bucks I'd still opt for and buy the Rockler in a heartbeat rather than try to make one ... which and once again, and after all for the umpteenth time: **_was the purpose of my original post_** All that notwithstanding, and providing it works for you, well done! Thank you. Art |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:01:09 -0500, Swingman wrote:
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30675 If you use pocket hole joinery and have a Rockler near you, you might want to see if they're running this in-store today. Just another reason why I wish the US border was a little closer. Anybody seen a supplier for these up in Canada? |
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C'mon guys ... the point of the PSA post is the ten buck price point
being a 54% savings off the usual retail of a useful item. Just holding the damned thing in your hand will convince you that it's worth ten bucks; and using as I described will convince you that it's well worth the normal retail price if you do a fair amount of pocket hole joinery. As far as making one ... if I had to buy more than a few at retail, maybe. For ten bucks, no way in hell ... If there's any doubt, check the prices on a suitable clamp that will exert the same necessary force, for starters. -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:07:15 -0500, Swingman wrote:
C'mon guys ... the point of the PSA post is the ten buck price point being a 54% savings off the usual retail of a useful item. Just holding the damned thing in your hand will convince you that it's worth ten bucks; and using as I described will convince you that it's well worth the normal retail price if you do a fair amount of pocket hole joinery. As far as making one ... if I had to buy more than a few at retail, maybe. For ten bucks, no way in hell ... If there's any doubt, check the prices on a suitable clamp that will exert the same necessary force, for starters. How about a thank you for the heads up. I ordered 2 online. 60 miles round trip into Seattle for me so $6.99 shipping is a no brainer. Out where I live in the foothills every peckerwood tourist drives 10-15 mph under the speed limit so I would just as soon stay off the road. I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why? Mike M |
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On 7/31/2012 7:32 PM, Mike M wrote:
I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why? LOL ... precisely! -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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On 7/31/12 7:38 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 7/31/2012 7:32 PM, Mike M wrote: I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why? LOL ... precisely! I built one and probably posted the pics, but that's when the thing was like 25 bucks. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 7/31/2012 8:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 7/31/12 7:38 PM, Swingman wrote: On 7/31/2012 7:32 PM, Mike M wrote: I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why? LOL ... precisely! I built one and probably posted the pics, but that's when the thing was like 25 bucks. IRC, it was closer to thirty, around 29.95, when it first came out. -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:38:11 -0500, Swingman wrote:
On 7/31/2012 7:32 PM, Mike M wrote: I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why? LOL ... precisely! I have enough real projects going that I wish I could solve more of them by throwing $10 at them. Mike M |
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"Mike M" wrote: How about a thank you for the heads up. I ordered 2 online. 60 miles round trip into Seattle for me so $6.99 shipping is a no brainer. Out where I live in the foothills every peckerwood tourist drives 10-15 mph under the speed limit so I would just as soon stay off the road. I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why? ---------------------------- Living 15 miles south of Bum**** has some costs along with the advantages. Lew |
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Mike M wrote in
: How about a thank you for the heads up. I ordered 2 online. 60 miles round trip into Seattle for me so $6.99 shipping is a no brainer. Out where I live in the foothills every peckerwood tourist drives 10-15 mph under the speed limit so I would just as soon stay off the road. I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why? Mike M I've been unimpressed by something's pricing and set out to build one of my own several times. Occasionally, it works great. 30 minutes in the shop and I've got a new tool/jig/whatever. More often than not, however, it works out that I spend more time and money trying to copy something than I would have if I had just bought the thing. Never going to quit, however. The design part is fun and sometimes the greater understanding from attempting to build one helps when using the commercial version. Still haven't decided if I want to copy the HF 1x30 belt sander to "improve" it... I have one, but it would be nice to have something that's easy to change belts on (that'll be the hardest part) and variable speed. Oh well, I've got other things to do. Puckdropper -- Make it to fit, don't make it fit. |
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On 7/31/2012 9:34 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
I've been unimpressed by something's pricing and set out to build one of my own several times. Occasionally, it works great. 30 minutes in the shop and I've got a new tool/jig/whatever. More often than not, however, it works out that I spend more time and money trying to copy something than I would have if I had just bought the thing. Never going to quit, however. The design part is fun and sometimes the greater understanding from attempting to build one helps when using the commercial version. Agreed. But fun often has to take a back seat to meeting a deadline and paying the bills ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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On 7/31/2012 10:39 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 7/31/2012 9:34 PM, Puckdropper wrote: I've been unimpressed by something's pricing and set out to build one of my own several times. Occasionally, it works great. 30 minutes in the shop and I've got a new tool/jig/whatever. More often than not, however, it works out that I spend more time and money trying to copy something than I would have if I had just bought the thing. Never going to quit, however. The design part is fun and sometimes the greater understanding from attempting to build one helps when using the commercial version. Agreed. But fun often has to take a back seat to meeting a deadline and paying the bills ... Agreed on both accounts. Now does anyone know what issue the box joint jig that they sell plans to on the woodsmith site came from. The jig plans/parts have been out of stock... been so for a long time, maybe time to see if I can get a back issue to get the plan. Cataract surgery went well yesterday, seeing things I haven't been able to see in a long time. But I am having some wierd vision coming and going, but also some peripheral that I am not used to. Feels wierd. It'll be a few days before I get in front of a saw.. Just not feeling confident yet. I'd like to get my vision stabilized or used to this new feeling. |
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On 01 Aug 2012 02:34:06 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote: Mike M wrote in : How about a thank you for the heads up. I ordered 2 online. 60 miles round trip into Seattle for me so $6.99 shipping is a no brainer. Out where I live in the foothills every peckerwood tourist drives 10-15 mph under the speed limit so I would just as soon stay off the road. I know I could build one but for $9.99 I have to ask why? Mike M I've been unimpressed by something's pricing and set out to build one of my own several times. Occasionally, it works great. 30 minutes in the shop and I've got a new tool/jig/whatever. More often than not, however, it works out that I spend more time and money trying to copy something than I would have if I had just bought the thing. redfaced grin Never going to quit, however. The design part is fun and sometimes the greater understanding from attempting to build one helps when using the commercial version. Absolutely. Still haven't decided if I want to copy the HF 1x30 belt sander to "improve" it... I have one, but it would be nice to have something that's easy to change belts on (that'll be the hardest part) and variable speed. Oh well, I've got other things to do. Nah. Just redesign the belt-changer for the existing sander. My Delter 1x30 is my most-used sander. -- Another belief of mine: that everyone else my age is an adult, whereas I am merely in disguise. -- Margaret Atwood |
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On 7/31/2012 8:07 PM, Swingman wrote:
C'mon guys ... the point of the PSA post is the ten buck price point being a 54% savings off the usual retail of a useful item. Just holding the damned thing in your hand will convince you that it's worth ten bucks; and using as I described will convince you that it's well worth the normal retail price if you do a fair amount of pocket hole joinery. As far as making one ... if I had to buy more than a few at retail, maybe. For ten bucks, no way in hell ... If there's any doubt, check the prices on a suitable clamp that will exert the same necessary force, for starters. Interestingly, minutes before reading your initial post on this, I was reading a Rockler ad for this product and thought about getting it, then decided nah, I already have too much stuff I don't use/need. Then, I read your post and said, what the heck, seemed like a good deal and I do like pocket joints. I went out and bought it, and a glue spreader. Both quality products and well worth the small price. Thanks for the tip... PS, I also bought a new CS, went with Makita 5007MG, not just on your advice though, I put it in my hand before buying it via the net. Your advice was in the mix though. It felt better than all the other saws, but I did want a laser light on the sucker... Oh well. -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com |
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