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Your prime minister states your shale sands oil are being sold to the
Chinese now that the pipeline across the US is on hold. Shades of GW Bush. Lew |
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On Feb 7, 2:27*am, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Your prime minister states your shale sands oil are being sold to the Chinese now that the pipeline across the US is on hold. Shades of GW Bush. Lew Shades? Try whole cloth. He's taking our natural resource to those willing to pay. People have very little knowledge on how that 'sands' process works. It is actually quite clever and surprisingly clean from an environmental standpoint. It can be said that the whole process cleans the environment. We are doing a good thing and making a few bucks along the way. |
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Hodgett wrote: Your prime minister states your shale sands oil are being sold to the Chinese now that the pipeline across the US is on hold. What, we should sit with our thumbs in our asses waiting for your president to get his head out of his? If the USA doesn't want it, there are others who do. Suck it up, America. You're not the only game in town. -- Woodworking and more at http://www.woodenwabbits.com |
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On 2/7/2012 5:17 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In raweb.com, Lew wrote: Your prime minister states your shale sands oil are being sold to the Chinese now that the pipeline across the US is on hold. What, we should sit with our thumbs in our asses waiting for your president to get his head out of his? If the USA doesn't want it, there are others who do. Suck it up, America. You're not the only game in town. Apparently you guys are sucking it up. ;~) |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
Your prime minister states your shale sands oil are being sold to the Chinese now that the pipeline across the US is on hold. Shades of GW Bush. Lew Lew, as others have said, "Actions have consequences." I know that is very difficult for liberals to process, but the world does not have to do what they want, just because they want it. Deb |
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In article , Leon
lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 2/7/2012 5:17 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In raweb.com, Lew wrote: Your prime minister states your shale sands oil are being sold to the Chinese now that the pipeline across the US is on hold. What, we should sit with our thumbs in our asses waiting for your president to get his head out of his? If the USA doesn't want it, there are others who do. Suck it up, America. You're not the only game in town. Apparently you guys are sucking it up. ;~) You do know that Canada is the largest supplier of energy to the USA, yes? Do you expect us to ONLY sell to you? HAH! -- Woodworking and more at http://www.woodenwabbits.com |
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:40:23 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote: In article , Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 2/7/2012 5:17 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In raweb.com, Lew wrote: Your prime minister states your shale sands oil are being sold to the Chinese now that the pipeline across the US is on hold. What, we should sit with our thumbs in our asses waiting for your president to get his head out of his? If the USA doesn't want it, there are others who do. Suck it up, America. You're not the only game in town. Apparently you guys are sucking it up. ;~) You do know that Canada is the largest supplier of energy to the USA, yes? Do you expect us to ONLY sell to you? HAH! If we turned off the tap there would be a lot of chattering teeth south of the 49th. And long lines at the pumps. And don't think about taking it by force. Until 9-11 the Canuks were the only ones to successfully attack the USA on their own turf - and you have your "white" house to show for it. |
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wrote: On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:40:23 -0600, Dave Balderstone wrote: In article , Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 2/7/2012 5:17 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In raweb.com, Lew wrote: Your prime minister states your shale sands oil are being sold to the Chinese now that the pipeline across the US is on hold. What, we should sit with our thumbs in our asses waiting for your president to get his head out of his? If the USA doesn't want it, there are others who do. Suck it up, America. You're not the only game in town. Apparently you guys are sucking it up. ;~) You do know that Canada is the largest supplier of energy to the USA, yes? Do you expect us to ONLY sell to you? HAH! If we turned off the tap there would be a lot of chattering teeth south of the 49th. And long lines at the pumps. And don't think about taking it by force. Until 9-11 the Canuks were the only ones to successfully attack the USA on their own turf - and you have your "white" house to show for it. I believe the official plan is "blow the bridges and head north"... The only troops the Yanks have that could stand the cold are from Wisconsin and Minnesota, and if we can't beat a bunch of friggin' Lutherans, we may as well surrender now. -- Woodworking and more at http://www.woodenwabbits.com |
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"Dave Balderstone" wrote: I believe the official plan is "blow the bridges and head north"... The only troops the Yanks have that could stand the cold are from Wisconsin and Minnesota, and if we can't beat a bunch of friggin' Lutherans, we may as well surrender now. --------------------------------- Might want to run that by the survivors of the Korean war,especially those who fought at Inchon. Lew |
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"Dr. Deb" wrote: Lew, as others have said, "Actions have consequences." I know that is very difficult for liberals to process, but the world does not have to do what they want, just because they want it. -------------------------------------- "Liberal" has nothing to do with it. Big oil, especially the Koch brothers, stand to make a lot of money, if that pipeline goes thru. Big oil, especially the Koch brothers, have bought and paid for a collection of Congress critters, and will collect their marks as this plays out. Sorry, but a pip squeak P/M and the 30-35 million Canucks he represents, don't have a seat at the table for this poker game. Lew |
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Robatoy wrote:
On Feb 7, 2:27 am, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: Your prime minister states your shale sands oil are being sold to the Chinese now that the pipeline across the US is on hold. Shades of GW Bush. Lew Shades? Try whole cloth. He's taking our natural resource to those willing to pay. People have very little knowledge on how that 'sands' process works. It is actually quite clever and surprisingly clean from an environmental standpoint. It can be said that the whole process cleans the environment. We are doing a good thing and making a few bucks along the way. Cleans the enviroment....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL It's enviromentally disaster in the making with the massive tailing ponds, water contamination and destruction of thousands of square miles for forest. And for the record, I have been there, worked there and seen the damage first hand. If we are going to destroy Northern Alberta then there is no way we should be shipping raw bitumen anywhere. It should be refined here so we can take full advantage of the resulting oil and other petro products that result and then sell it at world prices. Harper is a GWB wannabee and lord help us we are stuck with him. -- PV "This sig left intentionally blank" |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:4f3203ef$0$25426
: "Dr. Deb" wrote: Lew, as others have said, "Actions have consequences." I know that is very difficult for liberals to process, but the world does not have to do what they want, just because they want it. -------------------------------------- "Liberal" has nothing to do with it. Big oil, especially the Koch brothers, stand to make a lot of money, if that pipeline goes thru. Big oil, especially the Koch brothers, have bought and paid for a collection of Congress critters, and will collect their marks as this plays out. Sorry, but a pip squeak P/M and the 30-35 million Canucks he represents, don't have a seat at the table for this poker game. Lew I am waiting how this is going to go. There is OBVIOUSLY a lot of obfuscation going on. Is winning tar sands oil and gas indeed bad for the environment? I don't know, but it seems that cracking that stuff and heating it until it bleeds does cost energy. Does it leave the top layer of the mining area devastated? Probably, but can it be easily restored? Running a pipeline may be fairly easy, but the Alaska pipeline has had relatively frequent problems, and the tar oil is much more viscous and corrosive. Can that be managed sufficiently? Running such a pipeline through environmental sensitive areas such as the aquifer area in Nebraska (?) is asking for trouble - move it or else. I would like the idea of building refineries in Alberta, and shipping finished products ... Canucks - work on the concepts and the plans before you have to redo fully built infrastructure ... -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On 08 Feb 2012 12:01:26 GMT, Han wrote:
corrosive. Can that be managed sufficiently? Running such a pipeline through environmental sensitive areas such as the aquifer area in Nebraska (?) is asking for trouble - move it or else. I would like the idea of building refineries in Alberta, and shipping finished products ... Kind of an opposite statement isn't it? On one hand, you're concerned about environmental implications. On the other hand, you'd have us process it and then ship it. What about the environmental effects of processing it on Canadian soil? Just as long as the processing isn't done in the US eh? What about the environment implications if some of that highly refined oil somehow finds its way onto American soil? And then there's the added cost to the US if we did the processing first before shipping it. At least if you're refining it, you save some money. Money that is apparently in short supply in the cash strapped US. |
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On 2/7/2012 8:40 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In articleDf2dnRRGyp6TV6zSnZ2dnUVZ5umdnZ2d@giganews. com, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 2/7/2012 5:17 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote: In raweb.com, Lew wrote: Your prime minister states your shale sands oil are being sold to the Chinese now that the pipeline across the US is on hold. What, we should sit with our thumbs in our asses waiting for your president to get his head out of his? If the USA doesn't want it, there are others who do. Suck it up, America. You're not the only game in town. Apparently you guys are sucking it up. ;~) You do know that Canada is the largest supplier of energy to the USA, yes? Do you expect us to ONLY sell to you? HAH! Don't you have to suck it up to get it out of the ground? ;~) |
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On 2/7/2012 7:32 PM, Dr. Deb wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote: Your prime minister states your shale sands oil are being sold to the Chinese now that the pipeline across the US is on hold. Shades of GW Bush. Lew Lew, as others have said, "Actions have consequences." I know that is very difficult for liberals to process, but the world does not have to do what they want, just because they want it. Deb No kidding, you can say that again and again. |
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In article om, Lew
Hodgett wrote: "Dave Balderstone" wrote: I believe the official plan is "blow the bridges and head north"... The only troops the Yanks have that could stand the cold are from Wisconsin and Minnesota, and if we can't beat a bunch of friggin' Lutherans, we may as well surrender now. --------------------------------- Might want to run that by the survivors of the Korean war,especially those who fought at Inchon. I've talked to a number of Canadian vets of the Korean war. -- Woodworking and more at http://www.woodenwabbits.com |
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On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 03:46:44 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
wrote: On Feb 7, 2:27*am, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: Your prime minister states your shale sands oil are being sold to the Chinese now that the pipeline across the US is on hold. Shades of GW Bush. Lew Shades? Try whole cloth. He's taking our natural resource to those willing to pay. People have very little knowledge on how that 'sands' process works. It is actually quite clever and surprisingly clean from an environmental standpoint. It can be said that the whole process cleans the environment. We are doing a good thing and making a few bucks along the way. I just read about this last week, and suggest that you read a bit more about it. That "cleans the environment" is a load of banana gas, sir. _Green_ it _ain't_. Tell us about the massive quantities of natural gas needed to cook the oil out of the shale, the water use, aquifer abuse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...shale_industry If they want to frack the land to get natural gas out, start screaming now. It's environmentally worse than anything we've seen in many decades. Now watch "Gasland". -- Energy and persistence alter all things. --Benjamin Franklin |
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On Feb 8, 9:20*am, Larry Jaques
wrote: I just read about this last week, and suggest that you read a bit more about it. That "cleans the environment" is a load of banana gas, sir. _Green_ it _ain't_. Maybe that was copy written by the same crew that writes about 'clean coal'? There seems to be no way we can harvest oil without damaging the environment. So we switch to the 'lesser-of-evils' mode. That fracking process of which you speak, has nothing to do with the tarsands. Totally different processes. Tell us about the massive quantities of natural gas needed to cook the oil out of the shale, the water use, aquifer abuse. *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...e_oil_shale_in... I wasn't talking about fracking. That process is far more likely to devastate the environment than what we're doing at the tar sands. If they want to frack the land to get natural gas out, start screaming now. *It's environmentally worse than anything we've seen in many decades. We have lots of natural gas without fracking. Sufficient in fact to sell a LOT to the US AND to use to separate the oil from the sand. Two processes being discussed here (3, if you include banana gas): a) The separation of oil from sand b) Fracking. They are NOT interchangeable. Also, the oil we extract from the sand is already being processed to a more readily acceptable product so that any refinery can use it. We take 'dirty' sand, take out the oil, and put the clean sand back. When I called that a 'clean' process, I should have changed fonts to Sarcastica. |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message
... Two processes being discussed here (3, if you include banana gas): a) The separation of oil from sand b) Fracking. They are NOT interchangeable. This is fracking: http://northernoil.com/drilling Dave in Houston |
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2012 07:31:01 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
wrote: On Feb 8, 9:20*am, Larry Jaques wrote: I just read about this last week, and suggest that you read a bit more about it. That "cleans the environment" is a load of banana gas, sir. _Green_ it _ain't_. Maybe that was copy written by the same crew that writes about 'clean coal'? That and 'dehydrated water'. There seems to be no way we can harvest oil without damaging the environment. So we switch to the 'lesser-of-evils' mode. That fracking process of which you speak, has nothing to do with the tarsands. Totally different processes. Yeah, I realize that. I made an unsignaled segue into shale oil. So solly. Tell us about the massive quantities of natural gas needed to cook the oil out of the shale, the water use, aquifer abuse. *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...e_oil_shale_in... I wasn't talking about fracking. That process is far more likely to devastate the environment than what we're doing at the tar sands. True, but the oil sand has to be cooked, and that takes natural gas. http://ostseis.anl.gov/guide/tarsands/index.cfm If they want to frack the land to get natural gas out, start screaming now. *It's environmentally worse than anything we've seen in many decades. We have lots of natural gas without fracking. Sufficient in fact to sell a LOT to the US AND to use to separate the oil from the sand. Wonderful! Two processes being discussed here (3, if you include banana gas): a) The separation of oil from sand b) Fracking. They are NOT interchangeable. Also, the oil we extract from the sand is already being processed to a more readily acceptable product so that any refinery can use it. We take 'dirty' sand, take out the oil, and put the clean sand back. When I called that a 'clean' process, I should have changed fonts to Sarcastica. I see. -- Energy and persistence alter all things. --Benjamin Franklin |
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They still speak English on Mackinac, even after many attempt and then
asking nicely. ---------- "Leon" wrote in message ... house to show for it. Yeah and if we quit buying your oil all together you would be whining. And had we wanted to invade you would already be speaking English. Oh wait! ;~) |
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If they want to frack the land to get natural gas out, start screaming
now. It's environmentally worse than anything we've seen in many decades. They have been fracking gas wells in SE Ohio for well over 30 years, and perhaps more, from what I know from living there. So why all the change in attitude? -- Jim in NC |
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Morgans wrote:
If they want to frack the land to get natural gas out, start screaming now. It's environmentally worse than anything we've seen in many decades. They have been fracking gas wells in SE Ohio for well over 30 years, and perhaps more, from what I know from living there. So why all the change in attitude? -- Jim in NC |
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:53:16 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote: If they want to frack the land to get natural gas out, start screaming now. It's environmentally worse than anything we've seen in many decades. They have been fracking gas wells in SE Ohio for well over 30 years, and perhaps more, from what I know from living there. So why all the change in attitude? -- Jim in NC Fracking near minor fault lines apparently has the distinct possibility of turning them into active fault lines. |
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Morgans wrote:
If they want to frack the land to get natural gas out, start screaming now. It's environmentally worse than anything we've seen in many decades. They have been fracking gas wells in SE Ohio for well over 30 years, and perhaps more, from what I know from living there. So why all the change in attitude? Well, I have to say that you caught my attention with your statement, since fracking is fairly new to our area. So, I turned to the trusty google search, only to discover that fracking has been successfully implemented in Saskatchewan for 50 years. Maybe that explains that Canadian attitude... -- -Mike- |
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Somebody wrote: If they want to frack the land to get natural gas out, start screaming now. It's environmentally worse than anything we've seen in many decades. ------------------------------- Especially if you cut corners in the fracking process to save a few bucks. ---------------------------------- Morgans wrote: They have been fracking gas wells in SE Ohio for well over 30 years, and perhaps more, from what I know from living there. So why all the change in attitude? --------------------------------------- After the strip miners got thru raping SE Ohio, what's left to save? Belmont County comes to mind. Lew |
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Fracking near minor fault lines apparently has the distinct
possibility of turning them into active fault lines. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One could reason that if a fault line became active sooner than natural forces would cause, that the resulting quake would release the energy sooner, and be less severe than the natural, later quake. But really, are there _any_ documented, proven cases of fracking causing a quake? I do not know of any negative results due to fracking in Ohio when I lived there. The waste water from drilling operations, and the proper cleanup of the area after drilling was sometimes an issue when those corners were cut. -- Jim in NC |
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:24:59 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote: Morgans wrote: If they want to frack the land to get natural gas out, start screaming now. It's environmentally worse than anything we've seen in many decades. They have been fracking gas wells in SE Ohio for well over 30 years, and perhaps more, from what I know from living there. So why all the change in attitude? Well, I have to say that you caught my attention with your statement, since fracking is fairly new to our area. So, I turned to the trusty google search, only to discover that fracking has been successfully implemented in Saskatchewan for 50 years. Maybe that explains that Canadian attitude... Successfully? Has anyone's well out there been tested? Probably not, due to the isolation and wilderness areas they've likely been working in. Or have they been more careful in their drilling practices? Injecting benzene and 595 other nasties into the ground anywhere near an aquifer, as oil companies here apparently have been doing, is tantamount to mass murder and rape of the land, in my eyes. And deliberately setting aside air and water regulations to allow said rape is no better and should warrant capital punishment, for the deaths it has and will continue to occur as a result of that action. -- Energy and persistence alter all things. --Benjamin Franklin |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
Successfully? Has anyone's well out there been tested? Probably not, due to the isolation and wilderness areas they've likely been working in. Or have they been more careful in their drilling practices? Injecting benzene and 595 other nasties into the ground anywhere near an aquifer, as oil companies here apparently have been doing, is tantamount to mass murder and rape of the land, in my eyes. And deliberately setting aside air and water regulations to allow said rape is no better and should warrant capital punishment, for the deaths it has and will continue to occur as a result of that action. All points that merit examination. Around here fracking is just now being introduced - or maybe better said, proposed. Somehow I had gotten the impression that as a technology, it was something fairly new, but that's because I have only given token attention to any of the reports and discussions about it. I used the word "successfully" to reference the technology and its proven ability to get oil/gas out of the ground, and not to reference all of the other considerations that you raise. -- -Mike- |
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"Mike Marlow" wrote in
: Larry Jaques wrote: Successfully? Has anyone's well out there been tested? Probably not, due to the isolation and wilderness areas they've likely been working in. Or have they been more careful in their drilling practices? Injecting benzene and 595 other nasties into the ground anywhere near an aquifer, as oil companies here apparently have been doing, is tantamount to mass murder and rape of the land, in my eyes. And deliberately setting aside air and water regulations to allow said rape is no better and should warrant capital punishment, for the deaths it has and will continue to occur as a result of that action. All points that merit examination. Around here fracking is just now being introduced - or maybe better said, proposed. Somehow I had gotten the impression that as a technology, it was something fairly new, but that's because I have only given token attention to any of the reports and discussions about it. I used the word "successfully" to reference the technology and its proven ability to get oil/gas out of the ground, and not to reference all of the other considerations that you raise. Fracking itself isn't the problem at all (except the distinct possibility of stimulating earthquakes). The problem is inadequate quality control in the lining of the boreholes - especially where they penetrate sensitive geologic formations such as aquifers. The other points of trouble are what to do with the waste, how to conserve water resources, and traffic, noise etc problems. For instance, I don't think you'd do any fracking directly under the White House, or the Empire State Building. But what about Uncle Al's farm in the wilds of Ohio? What consideration to his farming, drinking water protection, traffic and noise for his neighbors? -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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Fracking itself isn't the problem at all (except the distinct possibility
of stimulating earthquakes). The problem is inadequate quality control in the lining of the boreholes - especially where they penetrate sensitive geologic formations such as aquifers. The other points of trouble are what to do with the waste, how to conserve water resources, and traffic, noise etc problems. For instance, I don't think you'd do any fracking directly under the White House, or the Empire State Building. But what about Uncle Al's farm in the wilds of Ohio? What consideration to his farming, drinking water protection, traffic and noise for his neighbors? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Why not under the Whitehouse? You would never know it. Can anyone point to cases where fracking did all (or part) of the above nasty things? Until there is a history of problem, don't go hysterical. They have been doing it for decades, so if there were problems, there would be cases of problems to study. -- Jim in NC |
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"Morgans" wrote in
: Fracking itself isn't the problem at all (except the distinct possibility of stimulating earthquakes). The problem is inadequate quality control in the lining of the boreholes - especially where they penetrate sensitive geologic formations such as aquifers. The other points of trouble are what to do with the waste, how to conserve water resources, and traffic, noise etc problems. For instance, I don't think you'd do any fracking directly under the White House, or the Empire State Building. But what about Uncle Al's farm in the wilds of Ohio? What consideration to his farming, drinking water protection, traffic and noise for his neighbors? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Why not under the Whitehouse? You would never know it. Can anyone point to cases where fracking did all (or part) of the above nasty things? Until there is a history of problem, don't go hysterical. They have been doing it for decades, so if there were problems, there would be cases of problems to study. -- Jim in NC Just in case you recently arrived on this Earth, there are plenty of problems documented, although very few have a direct connection to the fracking itself. Noise, above ground pollution, trampling on individuals' rights due to defective regulations/disclosures/contracts, and bad practices regarding sealing of the walls of the wells,disposal of waste, and so on and so forth. Nothing that can't be overcome (I hope!!) by proper regulation and enforcement, and properly disclosed and arrived at contracts. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On 2/11/2012 2:53 PM, Han wrote:
wrote in Why not under the Whitehouse? You would never know it. Can anyone point to cases where fracking did all (or part) of the above nasty things? Until there is a history of problem, don't go hysterical. They have been doing it for decades, so if there were problems, there would be cases of problems to study. Just in case you recently arrived on this Earth, there are plenty of problems documented, although very few have a direct connection to the fracking itself. Noise, above ground pollution, trampling on individuals' rights due to defective regulations/disclosures/contracts, and bad practices regarding sealing of the walls of the wells,disposal of waste, and so on and so forth. Nothing that can't be overcome (I hope!!) by proper regulation and enforcement, and properly disclosed and arrived at contracts. I don't have a dog in the fight, despite having been in the O&G business myself, and raised by a geophysicist, but I can tell you one simple concept that will stop any possible nonsense, in this _and ANY other industry:_ Start making corporate EMPLOYEES and OFFICERS responsible for all provable violations and put them in PRISON when criminal negligence is involved in company operations. What is so frackin' hard to comprehend about that?? -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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On 2/11/2012 3:02 PM, Swingman wrote:
I don't have a dog in the fight, despite having been in the O&G business myself, and raised by a geophysicist, but I can tell you one simple concept that will stop any possible nonsense, in this _and ANY other industry:_ Start making corporate EMPLOYEES and OFFICERS responsible for all provable violations and put them in PRISON when criminal negligence is involved in company operations. What is so frackin' hard to comprehend about that?? Case in point: Pfizer pleaded guilty in 2009 to the largest health care fraud in U.S. history and received the largest criminal penalty ever levied for illegal marketing of four of its drugs: Bextra, Geodon, Zyvox, and Lyrica. Called a repeat offender, this was Pfizer's fourth such settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice in the previous ten years. -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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Swingman wrote in
: On 2/11/2012 3:02 PM, Swingman wrote: I don't have a dog in the fight, despite having been in the O&G business myself, and raised by a geophysicist, but I can tell you one simple concept that will stop any possible nonsense, in this _and ANY other industry:_ Start making corporate EMPLOYEES and OFFICERS responsible for all provable violations and put them in PRISON when criminal negligence is involved in company operations. What is so frackin' hard to comprehend about that?? Case in point: Pfizer pleaded guilty in 2009 to the largest health care fraud in U.S. history and received the largest criminal penalty ever levied for illegal marketing of four of its drugs: Bextra, Geodon, Zyvox, and Lyrica. Called a repeat offender, this was Pfizer's fourth such settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice in the previous ten years. Good idea. perhaps some bankers can show the way? -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On Feb 11, 9:03*am, "Morgans" wrote:
But really, are there _any_ documented, proven cases of fracking causing a quake? There was a case over here before christmas of a fracking test site near a place called Blackpool allegedly causing two minor quakes. The north-west of England isn't renowned for it's seismic activity, but I have not heard anything more about the case, so don't know if it was just coincidence or not. I would tend to think it was, just because small quakes DO happen occasionally, and these were not really out of the ordinary magnitude-wise. |
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"Morgans" wrote: Fracking near minor fault lines apparently has the distinct possibility of turning them into active fault lines. But really, are there _any_ documented, proven cases of fracking causing a quake? -------------------------------- They have stopped operations in Arkansas after several quakes. -------------------------------- I do not know of any negative results due to fracking in Ohio when I lived there. -------------------------------------- Mike DeWine, Ohio A/G, is reviewing Ohio fracking statutes as this is being written. Lew |
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:02:54 -0600, Swingman wrote:
On 2/11/2012 2:53 PM, Han wrote: wrote in Why not under the Whitehouse? You would never know it. Can anyone point to cases where fracking did all (or part) of the above nasty things? Until there is a history of problem, don't go hysterical. They have been doing it for decades, so if there were problems, there would be cases of problems to study. Just in case you recently arrived on this Earth, there are plenty of problems documented, although very few have a direct connection to the fracking itself. Noise, above ground pollution, trampling on individuals' rights due to defective regulations/disclosures/contracts, and bad practices regarding sealing of the walls of the wells,disposal of waste, and so on and so forth. Nothing that can't be overcome (I hope!!) by proper regulation and enforcement, and properly disclosed and arrived at contracts. I don't have a dog in the fight, despite having been in the O&G business myself, and raised by a geophysicist, but I can tell you one simple concept that will stop any possible nonsense, in this _and ANY other industry:_ Start making corporate EMPLOYEES and OFFICERS responsible for all provable violations and put them in PRISON when criminal negligence is involved in company operations. What is so frackin' hard to comprehend about that?? Their bosses talked the corrupt CONgresscritters into waiving the Clean Air and Clean Water acts for their sorry asses. What's a little guy to do when his own _government_ has sold out the public's safety for the Almighty Dollar? -- To use fear as the friend it is, we must retrain and reprogram ourselves... We must persistently and convincingly tell ourselves that the fear is here--with its gift of energy and heightened awareness--so we can do our best and learn the most in the new situation. Peter McWilliams, Life 101 |
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:09:38 -0600, Swingman wrote:
On 2/11/2012 3:02 PM, Swingman wrote: I don't have a dog in the fight, despite having been in the O&G business myself, and raised by a geophysicist, but I can tell you one simple concept that will stop any possible nonsense, in this _and ANY other industry:_ Start making corporate EMPLOYEES and OFFICERS responsible for all provable violations and put them in PRISON when criminal negligence is involved in company operations. What is so frackin' hard to comprehend about that?? Excellent idea, where applicable. Case in point: Pfizer pleaded guilty in 2009 to the largest health care fraud in U.S. history and received the largest criminal penalty ever levied for illegal marketing of four of its drugs: Bextra, Geodon, Zyvox, and Lyrica. Called a repeat offender, this was Pfizer's fourth such settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice in the previous ten years. Line 'em up against the wall. Somebody will find a way to deal with them sooner or later. -- To use fear as the friend it is, we must retrain and reprogram ourselves... We must persistently and convincingly tell ourselves that the fear is here--with its gift of energy and heightened awareness--so we can do our best and learn the most in the new situation. Peter McWilliams, Life 101 |
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