My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."


Here is my email reply:

-------------------------
Dear The Family Handyman,

I had to laugh when I read the insert that you provided my my magazine:
" .. We are treating it as a special issue that will count towards
two of your subscriber issuses."
except for the fact that you're wasting my time.

My reason for asking you to treat it only as ONE issue for me is:
*** What the hell do you think this is??? We had a contract!!! ***

I am very unsatisfied which your magazines conduct in this matter. I
find it VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and I hope that it does not happen again.
-------------------------

If you're a subscriber, take notice and don't let them try to pull that
crap. FWIW, regular issue ~100 pages, this one was 130 and seems to
include more advertising than usual.

On Oct 19, 8:02*pm, Bill wrote:
My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."

Here is my email reply:

-------------------------
Dear The Family Handyman,

I had to laugh when I read the insert that you provided my my magazine:
" .. We are treating it as a special issue that will count towards
two of your subscriber issuses."
except for the fact that you're wasting my time.

My reason for asking you to treat it only as ONE issue for me is:
*** What the hell do you think this is??? We had a contract!!! ***

I am very unsatisfied which your magazines conduct in this matter. I
find it VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and I hope that it does not happen again.
-------------------------

If you're a subscriber, take notice and don't let them try to pull that
crap. *FWIW, regular issue ~100 pages, this one was 130 and seems to
include more advertising than usual.

Well, yannow.... it's Family Handyman Mag, bro'.

Bill wrote:
My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is
a special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber
issues, and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted
accordingly."

Here is my email reply:

-------------------------
Dear The Family Handyman,

I had to laugh when I read the insert that you provided my my
magazine: " .. We are treating it as a special issue that will count
towards two of your subscriber issuses."
except for the fact that you're wasting my time.

My reason for asking you to treat it only as ONE issue for me is:
*** What the hell do you think this is??? We had a contract!!! ***

I am very unsatisfied which your magazines conduct in this matter. I
find it VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and I hope that it does not happen again.
-------------------------

If you're a subscriber, take notice and don't let them try to pull
that crap. FWIW, regular issue ~100 pages, this one was 130 and
seems to include more advertising than usual.

Consider yourself lucky you got anything out of them. Your letter to them
made no sense at all.

--

-Mike-

Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:
My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is
a special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber
issues, and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted
accordingly."

Here is my email reply:

-------------------------
Dear The Family Handyman,

I had to laugh when I read the insert that you provided my my
magazine: " .. We are treating it as a special issue that will count
towards two of your subscriber issuses."
except for the fact that you're wasting my time.

My reason for asking you to treat it only as ONE issue for me is:
*** What the hell do you think this is??? We had a contract!!! ***

I am very unsatisfied which your magazines conduct in this matter. I
find it VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and I hope that it does not happen again.
-------------------------

If you're a subscriber, take notice and don't let them try to pull
that crap. FWIW, regular issue ~100 pages, this one was 130 and
seems to include more advertising than usual.

Consider yourself lucky you got anything out of them. Your letter to them
made no sense at all.

What part was difficult to understand? I paid them in advance for 12
monthly issues than they reduced were going to reduce my subscription to
11. I was PO'ed that they had the audacity to do that. I don't want to
see the same from them or any other magazines going forward. It would
be different if they had asked. The form letter reply I got back was
pitiful too.

Mike Marlow wrote:

Consider yourself lucky you got anything out of them. Your letter to them
made no sense at all.


Well, technically it made me about 100 sense I hardly care about. I
wonder how much it improves their bottom line for the year...I'm hoping
in the end, not much. If they can't treat their customers with respect
and stay in business, they won't have one.

Robatoy wrote:
On Oct 19, 8:02 pm, wrote:
My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."

Here is my email reply:

-------------------------
Dear The Family Handyman,

I had to laugh when I read the insert that you provided my my magazine:
" .. We are treating it as a special issue that will count towards
two of your subscriber issuses."
except for the fact that you're wasting my time.

My reason for asking you to treat it only as ONE issue for me is:
*** What the hell do you think this is??? We had a contract!!! ***

I am very unsatisfied which your magazines conduct in this matter. I
find it VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and I hope that it does not happen again.
-------------------------

If you're a subscriber, take notice and don't let them try to pull that
crap. FWIW, regular issue ~100 pages, this one was 130 and seems to
include more advertising than usual.

Well, yannow.... it's Family Handyman Mag, bro'.

Hey, I checked, found their forum, and find that there's a whole bunch
of folks who appear upset about! I'm going to go read what they think!
LOL! And I'll bring my letter with me! : )

http://community.familyhandyman.com/...37/t/1771.aspx

Mike Marlow wrote:

Consider yourself lucky you got anything out of them. Your letter to them
made no sense at all.


I'd post my reply at their forum, but I'm not willing to register.
Here is someone else's reponse (same sentiments as mine):

I don't see another forum for this, but anyone happy with TFHM
shortening your subscription, unilaterally? I mean we pay for a
subscription for a set # of issues and they decide to offer a double
sized issue and shorten the subscription because of THEIR decision. I
have NO problems with paying for the double issue when I go to renew the
subscription, it will only minimally increase the subscription rate.
But to decided to, effectively, increase the subscription rate AFTER I
thought it was "locked-in" by buying it in advance, well, I find that
distasteful.

Am I alone?

On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:02:00 -0400, Bill
wrote:

My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."


Here is my email reply:

-------------------------
Dear The Family Handyman,

I had to laugh when I read the insert that you provided my my magazine:
" .. We are treating it as a special issue that will count towards
two of your subscriber issuses."
except for the fact that you're wasting my time.

My reason for asking you to treat it only as ONE issue for me is:
*** What the hell do you think this is??? We had a contract!!! ***

I am very unsatisfied which your magazines conduct in this matter. I
find it VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and I hope that it does not happen again.
-------------------------

If you're a subscriber, take notice and don't let them try to pull that
crap. FWIW, regular issue ~100 pages, this one was 130 and seems to
include more advertising than usual.

September's issue was 108 pages, the "big new" October was 128 pages.
I haven't yet tallied up the content v. ad space yet and written to
them, but I think I'll ream them like I did the idiot at Netflix. Who
ARE these people?

--
Good ideas alter the power balance in relationships, that is why
good ideas are always initially resisted. Good ideas come with a
heavy burden. Which is why so few people have them. So few people
can handle it.
-- Hugh Macleod

Bill wrote:


I don't see another forum for this, but anyone happy with TFHM
shortening your subscription, unilaterally? I mean we pay for a
subscription for a set # of issues and they decide to offer a double
sized issue and shorten the subscription because of THEIR decision. I
have NO problems with paying for the double issue when I go to renew
the subscription, it will only minimally increase the subscription
rate. But to decided to, effectively, increase the subscription rate
AFTER I thought it was "locked-in" by buying it in advance, well, I
find that distasteful.

Am I alone?

Just for the record Bill - I do agree with you.

--

-Mike-

On 10/19/2011 7:02 PM, Bill wrote:
My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."


Here is my email reply:

-------------------------
Dear The Family Handyman,

I had to laugh when I read the insert that you provided my my magazine:
" .. We are treating it as a special issue that will count towards
two of your subscriber issuses."
except for the fact that you're wasting my time.

My reason for asking you to treat it only as ONE issue for me is:
*** What the hell do you think this is??? We had a contract!!! ***

I am very unsatisfied which your magazines conduct in this matter. I
find it VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and I hope that it does not happen again.
-------------------------

If you're a subscriber, take notice and don't let them try to pull that
crap. FWIW, regular issue ~100 pages, this one was 130 and seems to
include more advertising than usual.


Good on you Bill!

Anyway, is that rain on your shoes? ;~)

Bull****!

---------------

"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
...
Consider yourself lucky you got anything out of them. Your letter to
them
made no sense at all.

--

-Mike-

On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:02:00 -0400, Bill
wrote:

My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."


Here is my email reply:

-------------------------
Dear The Family Handyman,

I had to laugh when I read the insert that you provided my my magazine:
" .. We are treating it as a special issue that will count towards
two of your subscriber issuses."
except for the fact that you're wasting my time.

My reason for asking you to treat it only as ONE issue for me is:
*** What the hell do you think this is??? We had a contract!!! ***

I am very unsatisfied which your magazines conduct in this matter. I
find it VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and I hope that it does not happen again.
-------------------------

If you're a subscriber, take notice and don't let them try to pull that
crap. FWIW, regular issue ~100 pages, this one was 130 and seems to
include more advertising than usual.

If I were the person at FH reading your missive I would disregard it
and file in the 'lunatic fringe' basket. Perhaps a better thought out
response which contained fewer vestigial question marks, asterisks and
exclamation points would have made you come across as a valuable and
believable customer. I think you should just cancel your subscription.
Financial responses go farther towards making a point than rhetoric,
capital letters and vulgarity. Just sayin'

On 10/20/2011 6:00 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:02:00 -0400,
wrote:

My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."


Here is my email reply:

-------------------------
Dear The Family Handyman,

I had to laugh when I read the insert that you provided my my magazine:
" .. We are treating it as a special issue that will count towards
two of your subscriber issuses."
except for the fact that you're wasting my time.

My reason for asking you to treat it only as ONE issue for me is:
*** What the hell do you think this is??? We had a contract!!! ***

I am very unsatisfied which your magazines conduct in this matter. I
find it VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and I hope that it does not happen again.
-------------------------

If you're a subscriber, take notice and don't let them try to pull that
crap. FWIW, regular issue ~100 pages, this one was 130 and seems to
include more advertising than usual.

September's issue was 108 pages, the "big new" October was 128 pages.
I haven't yet tallied up the content v. ad space yet and written to
them, but I think I'll ream them like I did the idiot at Netflix. Who
ARE these people?

That's the spirit!!! : )




--
Good ideas alter the power balance in relationships, that is why
good ideas are always initially resisted. Good ideas come with a
heavy burden. Which is why so few people have them. So few people
can handle it.
-- Hugh Macleod

On 10/20/2011 6:52 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:


I don't see another forum for this, but anyone happy with TFHM
shortening your subscription, unilaterally? I mean we pay for a
subscription for a set # of issues and they decide to offer a double
sized issue and shorten the subscription because of THEIR decision. I
have NO problems with paying for the double issue when I go to renew
the subscription, it will only minimally increase the subscription
rate. But to decided to, effectively, increase the subscription rate
AFTER I thought it was "locked-in" by buying it in advance, well, I
find that distasteful.

Am I alone?

Just for the record Bill - I do agree with you.


Pershiate it!

On 10/20/2011 7:15 AM, Leon wrote:
On 10/19/2011 7:02 PM, Bill wrote:
My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."


Here is my email reply:

-------------------------
Dear The Family Handyman,

I had to laugh when I read the insert that you provided my my magazine:
" .. We are treating it as a special issue that will count towards
two of your subscriber issuses."
except for the fact that you're wasting my time.

My reason for asking you to treat it only as ONE issue for me is:
*** What the hell do you think this is??? We had a contract!!! ***

I am very unsatisfied which your magazines conduct in this matter. I
find it VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and I hope that it does not happen again.
-------------------------

If you're a subscriber, take notice and don't let them try to pull that
crap. FWIW, regular issue ~100 pages, this one was 130 and seems to
include more advertising than usual.


Good on you Bill!

Anyway, is that rain on your shoes? ;~)


I hope so!!! We'll never know for sure. : )

In article , tommyboy
wrote:

I think you should just cancel your subscription.

Exactly. ****ing and moaning and writing letters will have little
effect on the publisher. Pull money, however, and you'll definitely
have their attention.

--
Woodworking and more at http://www.woodenwabbits.com

On 10/20/2011 9:45 AM, tommyboy wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:02:00 -0400,
wrote:

My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."


Here is my email reply:

-------------------------
Dear The Family Handyman,

I had to laugh when I read the insert that you provided my my magazine:
" .. We are treating it as a special issue that will count towards
two of your subscriber issuses."
except for the fact that you're wasting my time.

My reason for asking you to treat it only as ONE issue for me is:
*** What the hell do you think this is??? We had a contract!!! ***

I am very unsatisfied which your magazines conduct in this matter. I
find it VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and I hope that it does not happen again.
-------------------------

If you're a subscriber, take notice and don't let them try to pull that
crap. FWIW, regular issue ~100 pages, this one was 130 and seems to
include more advertising than usual.

If I were the person at FH reading your missive I would disregard it
and file in the 'lunatic fringe' basket. Perhaps a better thought out
response which contained fewer vestigial question marks, asterisks and
exclamation points would have made you come across as a valuable and
believable customer. I think you should just cancel your subscription.
Financial responses go farther towards making a point than rhetoric,
capital letters and vulgarity. Just sayin'

My response was reasonably thought out. I found their action/conduct
egregious!!! It's not easy to convey that through email, but I did the
best I could in 3 sentences. I have other fish to fry.,,

I hope my message gets to the *Lunatic/Idiot* that started this!
I asked them to publish my message in the "letters to the editor"
section of their next issue. Let's nip this in the bud before other
magazines follow suit.

On 10/20/2011 9:45 AM, tommyboy wrote:

If I were the person at FH reading your missive I would disregard it
and file in the 'lunatic fringe' basket. Perhaps a better thought out
response which contained fewer vestigial question marks, asterisks and
exclamation points would have made you come across as a valuable and
believable customer.


I think you should just cancel your subscription.
Financial responses go farther towards making a point than rhetoric,
capital letters and vulgarity. Just sayin'

I don't normally give up on things that fast. I not afraid to try to
set them straight though. You know what they say about opinions....

On 10/20/2011 11:39 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In , tommyboy
wrote:

I think you should just cancel your subscription.

Exactly. ****ing and moaning and writing letters will have little
effect on the publisher. Pull money, however, and you'll definitely
have their attention.


And then what. Being right isn't everything. They just need to remember
there contract.

On 10/20/2011 12:25 PM, Bill wrote:
On 10/20/2011 11:39 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In , tommyboy
wrote:

I think you should just cancel your subscription.

Exactly. ****ing and moaning and writing letters will have little
effect on the publisher. Pull money, however, and you'll definitely
have their attention.


And then what. Being right isn't everything. They just need to remember
there contract.

I should have said:

And then what? Being right isn't everything. They just need to remember
their contract.

"Bill" wrote in message
...
On 10/20/2011 12:25 PM, Bill wrote:
On 10/20/2011 11:39 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In , tommyboy
wrote:

I think you should just cancel your subscription.

Exactly. ****ing and moaning and writing letters will have little
effect on the publisher. Pull money, however, and you'll definitely
have their attention.


And then what. Being right isn't everything. They just need to remember
there contract.

I should have said:

And then what? Being right isn't everything. They just need to remember
their contract.


Haste makes waist.................

Max

Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , tommyboy
wrote:

I think you should just cancel your subscription.

Exactly. ****ing and moaning and writing letters will have little
effect on the publisher. Pull money, however, and you'll definitely
have their attention.

Maybe - but the bigger frustration these days is that it seems you really
don't get their attention anymore.

--

-Mike-

On 10/20/2011 10:39 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In , tommyboy
wrote:

I think you should just cancel your subscription.

Exactly. ****ing and moaning and writing letters will have little
effect on the publisher. Pull money, however, and you'll definitely
have their attention.


You will NOT get their attention unless yo do both. Complain and demand
a refuud of the remainder.

Leon wrote:
On 10/20/2011 10:39 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In , tommyboy
wrote:

I think you should just cancel your subscription.

Exactly. ****ing and moaning and writing letters will have little
effect on the publisher. Pull money, however, and you'll definitely
have their attention.


You will NOT get their attention unless yo do both. Complain and demand
a refuud of the remainder.

If I do that, then I won't get to see if they print my letter in the
next issue. I've already written them twice. And Larry Jaques is going
to write to them, and at least one other person posted a similar message
at their web site. I want to read the "the apology" in the next issue.
At least they learned some of us are paying attention.

On 10/20/2011 7:36 PM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 10/20/2011 10:39 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In , tommyboy
wrote:

I think you should just cancel your subscription.

Exactly. ****ing and moaning and writing letters will have little
effect on the publisher. Pull money, however, and you'll definitely
have their attention.


You will NOT get their attention unless yo do both. Complain and demand
a refuud of the remainder.

If I do that, then I won't get to see if they print my letter in the
next issue. I've already written them twice. And Larry Jaques is going
to write to them, and at least one other person posted a similar message
at their web site. I want to read the "the apology" in the next issue.
At least they learned some of us are paying attention.

You could buy it at the news stand.

On 10/20/11 9:53 PM, Leon wrote:
You could buy it at the news stand.

Or you could get all the same info in the interwebs.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Did you send in a renewal notice for next year with your complaint?

They would be the breacher of the contract. Read it very carefully.

----------
"Bill" wrote in message ...
If I do that, then I won't get to see if they print my letter in the
next issue. I've already written them twice. And Larry Jaques is going
to write to them, and at least one other person posted a similar message
at their web site. I want to read the "the apology" in the next issue.
At least they learned some of us are paying attention.


Leon wrote:
On 10/20/2011 10:39 AM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In , tommyboy
wrote:

I think you should just cancel your subscription.

Exactly. ****ing and moaning and writing letters will have little
effect on the publisher. Pull money, however, and you'll definitely
have their attention.


You will NOT get their attention unless yo do both. Complain and demand
a refuud of the remainder.

On 10/19/2011 7:02 PM, Bill wrote:
My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."

I got the same subscription. The difference is in how you use it

My MIL apparently thinks, because I have more "tools" than anyone else
she knows, that I'm a "handyman", that that is what I do, and therefore
the subscription to TFHM she blesses me with yearly, for the last ten
years just tickles me to death, which it indeed sometimes does.

Appropriately, the mag goes straight to the ****ter each month, where it
uniquely belongs. Much better than the Sears catalog when you find out
at the last minute that the pups have chewed up the TP, again ... just
wrinkle it real good and you're in business.

That extra twenty pages was a BIG plus in that regard.

--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

On 10/21/2011 9:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 10/19/2011 7:02 PM, Bill wrote:
My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."

I got the same subscription. The difference is in how you use it

My MIL apparently thinks, because I have more "tools" than anyone else
she knows, that I'm a "handyman", that that is what I do, and therefore
the subscription to TFHM she blesses me with yearly, for the last ten
years just tickles me to death, which it indeed sometimes does.

Appropriately, the mag goes straight to the ****ter each month, where it
uniquely belongs. Much better than the Sears catalog when you find out
at the last minute that the pups have chewed up the TP, again ... just
wrinkle it real good and you're in business.

That extra twenty pages was a BIG plus in that regard.


WOW! You should submit those comments directly to the magazine. I bet
they would appreciate hearing from a reader that gets so much use out of
their publication...

Now I dare you to do so. ;~)

On 10/21/2011 10:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 10/19/2011 7:02 PM, Bill wrote:
My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."

I got the same subscription. The difference is in how you use it

My MIL apparently thinks, because I have more "tools" than anyone else
she knows, that I'm a "handyman", that that is what I do, and therefore
the subscription to TFHM she blesses me with yearly, for the last ten
years just tickles me to death, which it indeed sometimes does.

Appropriately, the mag goes straight to the ****ter each month, where it
uniquely belongs. Much better than the Sears catalog when you find out
at the last minute that the pups have chewed up the TP, again ... just
wrinkle it real good and you're in business.

That extra twenty pages was a BIG plus in that regard.


LOL -- What do you want for a buck an issue? I figured I wasn't the
only one here with a subscription. Enjoy those glossy pages.

On 10/21/2011 10:50 AM, Leon wrote:
On 10/21/2011 9:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 10/19/2011 7:02 PM, Bill wrote:
My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."

I got the same subscription. The difference is in how you use it

My MIL apparently thinks, because I have more "tools" than anyone else
she knows, that I'm a "handyman", that that is what I do, and therefore
the subscription to TFHM she blesses me with yearly, for the last ten
years just tickles me to death, which it indeed sometimes does.

Appropriately, the mag goes straight to the ****ter each month, where it
uniquely belongs. Much better than the Sears catalog when you find out
at the last minute that the pups have chewed up the TP, again ... just
wrinkle it real good and you're in business.

That extra twenty pages was a BIG plus in that regard.


WOW! You should submit those comments directly to the magazine. I bet
they would appreciate hearing from a reader that gets so much use out of
their publication...

Now I dare you to do so. ;~)

Maybe we should be cc'ing all our posts to
".

Someone must have the nerve, where's m II???

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:50:39 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/21/2011 9:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 10/19/2011 7:02 PM, Bill wrote:
My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."

I got the same subscription. The difference is in how you use it

My MIL apparently thinks, because I have more "tools" than anyone else
she knows, that I'm a "handyman", that that is what I do, and therefore
the subscription to TFHM she blesses me with yearly, for the last ten
years just tickles me to death, which it indeed sometimes does.

Appropriately, the mag goes straight to the ****ter each month, where it
uniquely belongs. Much better than the Sears catalog when you find out
at the last minute that the pups have chewed up the TP, again ... just
wrinkle it real good and you're in business.

That extra twenty pages was a BIG plus in that regard.


WOW! You should submit those comments directly to the magazine. I bet
they would appreciate hearing from a reader that gets so much use out of
their publication...

Now I dare you to do so. ;~)

I don't believe that he utilizes the magazine for that particular use.
Glossy stock is a crappy crapper paper.

My research revealed this: The Oct issue had 57ish pages of ads in a
108 page mag. The controversial Nov issue had 47ish pages of ads in a
128 page mag. So, content pages totaled 47.2% in the Oct issue and
56.5% in the Nov issue. They want double the "price" for a measly
9.3% content increase (which they touted as double)? Feh!

--
Happiness lies in the joy of achievement and the thrill of creative effort.
-- Franklin D. Roosevelt

On 10/21/2011 11:33 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:50:39 -0500, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/21/2011 9:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 10/19/2011 7:02 PM, Bill wrote:
My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."

I got the same subscription. The difference is in how you use it

My MIL apparently thinks, because I have more "tools" than anyone else
she knows, that I'm a "handyman", that that is what I do, and therefore
the subscription to TFHM she blesses me with yearly, for the last ten
years just tickles me to death, which it indeed sometimes does.

Appropriately, the mag goes straight to the ****ter each month, where it
uniquely belongs. Much better than the Sears catalog when you find out
at the last minute that the pups have chewed up the TP, again ... just
wrinkle it real good and you're in business.

That extra twenty pages was a BIG plus in that regard.


WOW! You should submit those comments directly to the magazine. I bet
they would appreciate hearing from a reader that gets so much use out of
their publication...

Now I dare you to do so. ;~)

I don't believe that he utilizes the magazine for that particular use.
Glossy stock is a crappy crapper paper.

My research revealed this: The Oct issue had 57ish pages of ads in a
108 page mag. The controversial Nov issue had 47ish pages of ads in a
128 page mag. So, content pages totaled 47.2% in the Oct issue and
56.5% in the Nov issue. They want double the "price" for a measly
9.3% content increase (which they touted as double)? Feh!


Maybe you should forward you stats to ???
Let 'em know we feel like we have wet shoes! ; )



--
Happiness lies in the joy of achievement and the thrill of creative effort.
-- Franklin D. Roosevelt

"Swingman" wrote

Appropriately, the mag goes straight to the ****ter each month, where it
uniquely belongs. Much better than the Sears catalog when you find out
at the last minute that the pups have chewed up the TP, again ... just
wrinkle it real good and you're in business.


Damn! You should write ad copy.

Maybe you could solicit a marketing job from these good folks. ;-)

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:12:21 -0400, Bill
wrote:

On 10/21/2011 11:33 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:50:39 -0500, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/21/2011 9:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 10/19/2011 7:02 PM, Bill wrote:
My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."

I got the same subscription. The difference is in how you use it

My MIL apparently thinks, because I have more "tools" than anyone else
she knows, that I'm a "handyman", that that is what I do, and therefore
the subscription to TFHM she blesses me with yearly, for the last ten
years just tickles me to death, which it indeed sometimes does.

Appropriately, the mag goes straight to the ****ter each month, where it
uniquely belongs. Much better than the Sears catalog when you find out
at the last minute that the pups have chewed up the TP, again ... just
wrinkle it real good and you're in business.

That extra twenty pages was a BIG plus in that regard.


WOW! You should submit those comments directly to the magazine. I bet
they would appreciate hearing from a reader that gets so much use out of
their publication...

Now I dare you to do so. ;~)

I don't believe that he utilizes the magazine for that particular use.
Glossy stock is a crappy crapper paper.

My research revealed this: The Oct issue had 57ish pages of ads in a
108 page mag. The controversial Nov issue had 47ish pages of ads in a
128 page mag. So, content pages totaled 47.2% in the Oct issue and
56.5% in the Nov issue. They want double the "price" for a measly
9.3% content increase (which they touted as double)? Feh!


Maybe you should forward you stats to ???
Let 'em know we feel like we have wet shoes! ; )

I'll do that once I've read both issues. I fully intend to retain my
option to -not- pay double for a single issue.

--
Happiness lies in the joy of achievement and the thrill of creative effort.
-- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Swingman wrote:


Appropriately, the mag goes straight to the ****ter each month, where
it uniquely belongs. Much better than the Sears catalog when you find
out at the last minute that the pups have chewed up the TP, again ...
just wrinkle it real good and you're in business.


You were obviously a high class country boy. When I grew up we didn't have
that damned Sears catalog - only you snobs had that. We looked for broad
leaf weeds/plants. The broader the leaf - the better - up to a point. Just
watch out for the poison ivy... and for the sharp edges on the leaves of
those plants - some were real killers!

--

-Mike-

Right here!

But **sigh** not my concern. I look at the magazine rack and see over
18 magazines at any given time and 'round 'ere, they run $10-$18 each.
Not even a chance when the main article is "How I built My Workbench
for under $500" . I have bought my share of mags in my day but when all
I can do it ick holes in somebody's woodworking guessing articles, it
is not worth the bucks or time.

You'll get there and looks like you have started.

My magazines are hand picked and not many have an article I want to pay
for, anymore.


-------------
"Bill" wrote in message ...
Maybe we should be cc'ing all our posts to
".

Someone must have the nerve, where's m II???

On 10/21/2011 12:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Swingman wrote:


Appropriately, the mag goes straight to the ****ter each month, where
it uniquely belongs. Much better than the Sears catalog when you find
out at the last minute that the pups have chewed up the TP, again ...
just wrinkle it real good and you're in business.


You were obviously a high class country boy. When I grew up we didn't have
that damned Sears catalog - only you snobs had that. We looked for broad
leaf weeds/plants. The broader the leaf - the better - up to a point. Just
watch out for the poison ivy... and for the sharp edges on the leaves of
those plants - some were real killers!

Moss ... good old Southern moss: soft, caressing, absorbent, rugged,
plentiful, organic, biodegradable & free.

(Writing that I can't believe that I used to help my grandfather, by
being on one end of a two man crosscut saw, cut down huge trees just so
his cows could eat the moss ... wish I had some of that hog pecan and
white oak we cut down sixty years ago).

--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:12:21 -0400,
wrote:

On 10/21/2011 11:33 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:50:39 -0500, Leonlcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/21/2011 9:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 10/19/2011 7:02 PM, Bill wrote:
My recent issue arrived with a separate page explaining that "this is a
special issue and that it will count as two of your subscriber issues,
and the duration of your subscription will be adjusted accordingly."

I got the same subscription. The difference is in how you use it

My MIL apparently thinks, because I have more "tools" than anyone else
she knows, that I'm a "handyman", that that is what I do, and therefore
the subscription to TFHM she blesses me with yearly, for the last ten
years just tickles me to death, which it indeed sometimes does.

Appropriately, the mag goes straight to the ****ter each month, where it
uniquely belongs. Much better than the Sears catalog when you find out
at the last minute that the pups have chewed up the TP, again ... just
wrinkle it real good and you're in business.

That extra twenty pages was a BIG plus in that regard.


WOW! You should submit those comments directly to the magazine. I bet
they would appreciate hearing from a reader that gets so much use out of
their publication...

Now I dare you to do so. ;~)

I don't believe that he utilizes the magazine for that particular use.
Glossy stock is a crappy crapper paper.

My research revealed this: The Oct issue had 57ish pages of ads in a
108 page mag. The controversial Nov issue had 47ish pages of ads in a
128 page mag. So, content pages totaled 47.2% in the Oct issue and
56.5% in the Nov issue. They want double the "price" for a measly
9.3% content increase (which they touted as double)? Feh!


Maybe you should forward you stats to ???
Let 'em know we feel like we have wet shoes! ; )

I'll do that once I've read both issues. I fully intend to retain my
option to -not- pay double for a single issue.

Yeah, don't forget to read *both* of 'em! lol




--
Happiness lies in the joy of achievement and the thrill of creative effort.
-- Franklin D. Roosevelt

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:37:37 -0400, Bill
wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:12:21 -0400,

Maybe you should forward you stats to ???
Let 'em know we feel like we have wet shoes! ; )

I'll do that once I've read both issues. I fully intend to retain my
option to -not- pay double for a single issue.

Yeah, don't forget to read *both* of 'em! lol

"All three" if they have their way.

--
Happiness lies in the joy of achievement and the thrill of creative effort.
-- Franklin D. Roosevelt