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Random thought: Right tilt vs left tilt
I strongly prefer a left tilt table saw as most do (except lefties I
suppose).I sometimes see right tilt saw for sale pretty cheap, like an old unisaw for a few hun. What if you swaped the wires on the motor, swaped the fence and ran the bitch from the other side? Could that be done? |
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"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message ... I strongly prefer a left tilt table saw as most do (except lefties I suppose).I sometimes see right tilt saw for sale pretty cheap, like an old unisaw for a few hun. What if you swaped the wires on the motor, swaped the fence and ran the bitch from the other side? Could that be done? The main trouble is that almost every tool power or hand tool, is made for a right handed user. The "hold-on" button is always on the left hand side of the handle Power saws have the motor on the left hand side most axes are right handed, as are hammers, or is it only the handles which are right handed? You can buy a left handed shifting spanner, but you have to look hard to get one and try them out before buying It might be an English thing, their car steering wheel is on the right hand side. Or, it may be a religious thing, when I went to a religious school, the teachers used to crack kids on the knuckles with the edge of a 15" ruler if they tried writing with their left hand. |
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In article , "SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
I strongly prefer a left tilt table saw as most do (except lefties I suppose).I sometimes see right tilt saw for sale pretty cheap, like an old unisaw for a few hun. What if you swaped the wires on the motor, swaped the fence and ran the bitch from the other side? Could that be done? Five problems, two easy, two not, one in between.. Easy, part 1: the extension table's on the wrong side. You'll want to move it. Easy, part 2: simply swapping the wires leading to an AC induction motor won't make it run backward, since that reverses the polarity of both the rotor *and* the stator. You'll need to open it up and swap the *internal* wiring. Not a big deal, just be aware that you need to do that. In between: where will you mount a splitter and guard? Not easy, part 1: the elevation crank will be on the opposite side of the saw from where you're standing. Not easy, part 2: you won't have very much room for infeed, working from the wrong side of the table, only a few inches. And I think that's enough to rule the idea out. |
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SonomaProducts.com wrote: I strongly prefer a left tilt table saw as most do (except lefties I suppose).I sometimes see right tilt saw for sale pretty cheap, like an old unisaw for a few hun. What if you swaped the wires on the motor, swaped the fence and ran the bitch from the other side? Could that be done? The saw blade would be right near the front of the table instead of at the back. There would be very little support for the workpiece before it reached the blade. -- There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers. Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org |
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All those problems and parts are too much trouble. Turn your back to
the saw and cut using a mirror. Sonny |
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:40:42 -0700, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
I strongly prefer a left tilt table saw as most do (except lefties I suppose).I sometimes see right tilt saw for sale pretty cheap, like an old unisaw for a few hun. What if you swaped the wires on the motor, swaped the fence and ran the bitch from the other side? Could that be done? I'm a lefty. I've used both. Just a matter of getting used to it. I have been known to move the rip fence to the left side on a right tilt so the blade tilts away from the fence. -- Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw |
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Easy, part 2: simply swapping the wires leading to an AC induction motor won't
make it run backward, In between: where will you mount a splitter and guard? I am most familiar with 3 phase which is easy to reverse. In between: where will you mount a splitter and guard? What are those? ;^) Not easy, part 1: the elevation crank will be on the opposite side of the saw from where you're standing. ****! I guess it's time to get tht trained monkey I've always wanted. "Crank it up chippy and a 15 degree bevel" Not easy, part 2: you won't have very much room for infeed, Ehh could make a small infeed table |
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In article , "George W Frost" wrote:
most axes are right handed, as are hammers, or is it only the handles which are right handed? Axes and hammers??? Pray tell, how is either the head *or* the handle of an axe or a hammer right-handed? You can buy a left handed shifting spanner, but you have to look hard to get one and try them out before buying A what? I know that British "spanner" = American "wrench", but what is a shifting spanner? |
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In article , "SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
Easy, part 2: simply swapping the wires leading to an AC induction motor won't make it run backward, In between: where will you mount a splitter and guard? I am most familiar with 3 phase which is easy to reverse. In between: where will you mount a splitter and guard? What are those? ;^) Not easy, part 1: the elevation crank will be on the opposite side of the saw from where you're standing. ****! I guess it's time to get tht trained monkey I've always wanted. "Crank it up chippy and a 15 degree bevel" Not easy, part 2: you won't have very much room for infeed, Ehh could make a small infeed table More trouble than it's worth. |
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Doug Miller wrote:
In article , "George W Frost" wrote: most axes are right handed, as are hammers, or is it only the handles which are right handed? Axes and hammers??? Pray tell, how is either the head *or* the handle of an axe or a hammer right-handed? You can buy a left handed shifting spanner, but you have to look hard to get one and try them out before buying A what? I know that British "spanner" = American "wrench", but what is a shifting spanner? An adjustable wrench? |
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On Sep 22, 7:27*pm, Sonny wrote:
All those problems and parts are too much trouble. *Turn your back to the saw and cut using a mirror. Sonny I like the cut of your jib, sir. |
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"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message ... I strongly prefer a left tilt table saw as most do (except lefties I suppose).I sometimes see right tilt saw for sale pretty cheap, like an old unisaw for a few hun. What if you swaped the wires on the motor, swaped the fence and ran the bitch from the other side? Could that be done? It would not be so bad with a cabinet saw, but a contractor saw has the motor and belt hanging off the back. I can just imagine pushing the last bit of the board and getting "things" caught in the pulley. Damn, that would hurt. |
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:40:42 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
wrote: I strongly prefer a left tilt table saw as most do (except lefties I suppose).I sometimes see right tilt saw for sale pretty cheap, like an old unisaw for a few hun. What if you swaped the wires on the motor, swaped the fence and ran the bitch from the other side? Could that be done? If the problem is ripping with the blade tilted, you could always get long tubes for your fence and shift the tubes so you have much more ripping width to the left of the blade. That's a pretty easy mod with a Bies or similar fence system. Mike O. |
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"Doug Miller" wrote in message ... In article , "George W Frost" wrote: most axes are right handed, as are hammers, or is it only the handles which are right handed? Axes and hammers??? Pray tell, how is either the head *or* the handle of an axe or a hammer right-handed? You can buy a left handed shifting spanner, but you have to look hard to get one and try them out before buying A what? I know that British "spanner" = American "wrench", but what is a shifting spanner? You would have to be a self opiniated yank, who think the sun shines out of your own ****-hole and everything that you say or pronounce, is right with no exceptions Firstly, if you have the brains to see, an axe or hammer handle, when you look at the cut of the piece which slips into the hammer or axe head, you will see that the cut is slightly off centre, thus favouring a right handed person I have worked with hammers, axes, and picks and have replaced many and enough handles to know But, I guess that you are too dumb to realise this, if you need a new handle, you just go to Walmart and buy a new complete whatever.. Next, a shifting spanner is what it says it is, it is a spanner whch you are able to shift the opening of the jaws, allowing you to use the same spanner, shifting spanner, or differing sized bolts and nuts. Then again, for your inept and sasrcastic intelligence....intelligence?, now that is a misnomer, you may call it an adjustable wrench |
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Thanx for the info. You got the personality right. Most just killfilter his
arogance. "George W Frost" wrote in message .com... You would have to be a self opiniated yank, who think the sun shines out of your own ****-hole and everything that you say or pronounce, is right with no exceptions Firstly, if you have the brains to see, an axe or hammer handle, when you look at the cut of the piece which slips into the hammer or axe head, you will see that the cut is slightly off centre, thus favouring a right handed person I have worked with hammers, axes, and picks and have replaced many and enough handles to know But, I guess that you are too dumb to realise this, if you need a new handle, you just go to Walmart and buy a new complete whatever.. Next, a shifting spanner is what it says it is, it is a spanner whch you are able to shift the opening of the jaws, allowing you to use the same spanner, shifting spanner, or differing sized bolts and nuts. Then again, for your inept and sasrcastic intelligence....intelligence?, now that is a misnomer, you may call it an adjustable wrench "Doug Miller" wrote in message ... In article , "George W Frost" wrote: most axes are right handed, as are hammers, or is it only the handles which are right handed? Axes and hammers??? Pray tell, how is either the head *or* the handle of an axe or a hammer right-handed? You can buy a left handed shifting spanner, but you have to look hard to get one and try them out before buying A what? I know that British "spanner" = American "wrench", but what is a shifting spanner? |
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On 9/23/2010 12:14 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
HOWEVER. lack of a Unifence would be cause for a deep discount in any offer I would make for a T/S. If the saw is for somebodies production unit, then a Bies is acceptable, otherwise it's gotta have a Unifence. Just my $0.02. Lew Interesting, especially to someone in the T/S market. Could you explain what you regard as the important difference (s)? Bill |
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On 9/23/2010 9:41 AM, Bill wrote:
On 9/23/2010 12:14 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote: HOWEVER. lack of a Unifence would be cause for a deep discount in any offer I would make for a T/S. If the saw is for somebodies production unit, then a Bies is acceptable, otherwise it's gotta have a Unifence. Just my $0.02. Lew Interesting, especially to someone in the T/S market. Could you explain what you regard as the important difference (s)? Bill From what I've seen, Delta is no longer offering the Unifence as an option on the new Unisaws. Kinda tells me they've decided to phase it out, which I think is unfortunate because like Lew I prefer it to the Biesemeyer. -- See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad! To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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On Sep 23, 1:31*pm, Steve Turner
*From what I've seen, Delta is no longer offering the Unifence as an option on the new Unisaws. *Kinda tells me they've decided to phase it out, which I think is unfortunate because like Lew I prefer it to the Biesemeyer. Instead of phasing it out, maybe they need to redesign the handle/ alignment/locking mechanism, on the latest model(s), better. I have 2 Unisaws, one with the old Unifence and one with the newest model Unifence. The old model is much more convenient, slips on the rail easy, and the handle locks in place easy.... all one motion. With the newer one, you have to mess with the handle to get it to slide onto the rail, mess with the handle for it to be positioned right to align the locking mechanism inside the rail, before it will lock into place properly. I haven't looked at the insides to see what differences are there, but I've had the newer fence for over a year and it's still aggrevating to align and lock the thing, all in one motion, as with the old fence. Additionally, if you need to move the newer fence, some tinkering with the handle is needed before everything is in place/ aligned, again, for locking it, again. Possibly, my discomfort with it, is that, the handle part feels limp, as if unattached (? you have to feel it to know). Once everything is in place for locking, then it feels properly attached to its framing.... and the handle doesn't engage (lock securely) until the handle lever is pressed all the way down (90° to the table surface).... this is an awkward position to have to push the handle to. The older unit's handle angle, when locked, is 45° down from the table surface.... that "feel" is much better. When I'm working, I want to set the measure, lock and cut.... It's/ I'm that fast with the older unifence. With the newer fence, I'm having to fondle it, before locking and cutting... by then, I find my train of thought, for running the cut, interrupted a bit. That slight hesitation is aggrevating, sometimes. Newer is not always better. I've never used a Biesemeyer. Not that I prefer a Unifence. I started with a Unifence and just stayed with it. From what I have read, seen... all but experience, I'm sure the Biesemeyer is just as good. I've gotten off the original topic. However, my new Unifence is set for left of the blade and the old fence is set for right of the blade, i.e., either one for using on each side of the blade on both my left tilt or right tilt saws. Sonny |
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:14:22 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: Personally whether the saw was a left or a right tilt doesn't mean much; HOWEVER. lack of a Unifence would be cause for a deep discount in any offer I would make for a T/S. If the saw is for somebodies production unit, then a Bies is acceptable, otherwise it's gotta have a Unifence. I feel just the opposite. I've used a Bies on the job for years and had a Uni at home. I always found it a PITA to remove the fence from the arm and re-attach it to the other side to cut left of the blade. I would find myself doing anything to keep from cutting left of the blade. I finally sold it and bought another Bies for home. I do think they are both good fences though. Mike O. |
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:31:26 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote: On 9/23/2010 9:41 AM, Bill wrote: On 9/23/2010 12:14 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote: HOWEVER. lack of a Unifence would be cause for a deep discount in any offer I would make for a T/S. If the saw is for somebodies production unit, then a Bies is acceptable, otherwise it's gotta have a Unifence. Just my $0.02. Lew Interesting, especially to someone in the T/S market. Could you explain what you regard as the important difference (s)? Bill From what I've seen, Delta is no longer offering the Unifence as an option on the new Unisaws. Kinda tells me they've decided to phase it out, which I think is unfortunate because like Lew I prefer it to the Biesemeyer. Probably another cost cutting measure. My guess would be that the design of Uni-fence makes it more expensive to manufacture than the Bies. Mike O. |
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Steve Turner wrote:
Interesting, especially to someone in the T/S market. Could you explain what you regard as the important difference (s)? Bill From what I've seen, Delta is no longer offering the Unifence as an option on the new Unisaws. Kinda tells me they've decided to phase it out, which I think is unfortunate because like Lew I prefer it to the Biesemeyer. I noticed Grizzly's G-690 T/S comes with their "Camlock T-fence"--which, by its looks, doesn't make as good of an impression on me as either of the above. Bill |
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Mike O. wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:31:26 -0500, Steve Turner snip Probably another cost cutting measure. My guess would be that the design of Uni-fence makes it more expensive to manufacture than the Bies. Mike O. From Delta's web site (note the post date): "Fence systems 1/24/2003 Question: Older episodes show norm using a biesmeyer fence while more current ones show a unifence..i have used both it seems the biesmeyer holds a slight advantage only because shop-built jigs are much easier to make....why norm's change to the unifence????? Answer: Well, we've changed fences again... We now have gone back to the Biesemeyer. It is easier to fit most appliances to although we will miss the Unifence system in certain operations." http://www.deltaportercable.com/Libr...0-ca48ec0faf82 -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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"Mike O." wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:14:22 -0700, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: Personally whether the saw was a left or a right tilt doesn't mean much; HOWEVER. lack of a Unifence would be cause for a deep discount in any offer I would make for a T/S. If the saw is for somebodies production unit, then a Bies is acceptable, otherwise it's gotta have a Unifence. I feel just the opposite. I've used a Bies on the job for years and had a Uni at home. I always found it a PITA to remove the fence from the arm and re-attach it to the other side to cut left of the blade. I would find myself doing anything to keep from cutting left of the blade. I finally sold it and bought another Bies for home. I do think they are both good fences though. Mike O. I worked in a shop in the late 80's that had a Beismeyer and I really wanted one. At the time, $300 looked like a mountain, so I bought some rectangular tube (2 x 4-1/4 wall) and did my own. I made the rail 10 ft. long. I was blessed to have a welder and a friend in the same industrial complex who was a machinist. It was a fairly simple thing to make the fence, though it took some refinement to get it to work well. I still use this same fence and haven't replaced it 'cuz it still works well. I can cut on either side or slide it over to my makeshift "router table" and use it to help cut grooves and stuff. I will have to say that I don't really need this wide of a rail or table, but it does help alot of time to have a place to stack stuff. I cut on the right of the fence sometimes and the transition is easy. For the most part, however, most of my cuts are just 90 degrees. My saw is a right-tilt and I got used to it long ago; I have to agree that for angle cuts, are better made with a left tilt saw. An old pic of the saw: http://www.flickr.com/photos/53458712@N06/ |
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