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Dealing with saw dust while hand sanding
I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to
Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Dick |
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On Feb 12, 6:11*am, "Dick Snyder" wrote:
I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Dick If shop space is at a premium, maybe next time make a bigger, temporary downdraft table? Tom |
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Dick Snyder wrote:
I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Dick Place a 20" box fan with a 20"x20" pleated furnace filter duct taped on the inlet side near your sanding. Won't get all the dust, but you'll find a lot of dust on the filter after a sanding session. You can shop-vac the filter to clean. |
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"tom" wrote in message ... On Feb 12, 6:11 am, "Dick Snyder" wrote: I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Dick If shop space is at a premium, maybe next time make a bigger, temporary downdraft table? Tom The headboard is 64" wide and 20" high. If I made a temporary downdraft table, I wonder with it being so big if I would get enough suction to actually accomplish anything. |
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"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message ... Dick Snyder wrote: I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Dick Place a 20" box fan with a 20"x20" pleated furnace filter duct taped on the inlet side near your sanding. Won't get all the dust, but you'll find a lot of dust on the filter after a sanding session. You can shop-vac the filter to clean. Huh. That sounds like a pretty simple solution. Thanks. I'll give it a shot. Dick |
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Doug Winterburn wrote in
: Place a 20" box fan with a 20"x20" pleated furnace filter duct taped on the inlet side near your sanding. Won't get all the dust, but you'll find a lot of dust on the filter after a sanding session. You can shop-vac the filter to clean. At one time, I had one with a cleanable filter. When it got dirty enough, it got washed out with the hose. Don't know if they still make them, but if you're doing this often it might be a good investment. FYI, box fans aren't made to run weeks or months on end. Puckdropper |
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:11:59 -0500, "Dick Snyder" wrote:
I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Dick My $0.02. I consider floor space to be precious, so strive for solutions that don't use up any. I don't often succeed, but at least try to minimize the space I have to give up for storing something else. As much as I'd love to have a downdraft table, I can't afford to give up any more floor space, so have to think of another method. Why not sand it in the driveway or patio or back yard? Clean off with compressed air or leaf blower before bringing it back inside. Not very elegant, but beats cleaning out every nook and cranny in the shop before the annual Leaf Blower Cleanup Day. Consider building a movable dust collection hood out of 1/4 ply or even heavy corrugated, something like the type used by turners, but maybe 8'' wide and 24" long, or whatever works out best for the plywood scraps you have on hand. http://www.amazon.com/PSI-Woodworkin...ef=pd_sim_hi_4 Put the headboard on sawhorses and mount the hood on the base of a roller stand or something and move it under the area you plan to sand next. That at least should get the heft of the sawdust. Regards, Roy |
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"Dick Snyder" wrote in message ... I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I simply lay a 4" hose in close proximity to the area being sanded and occasionally pick it up to clean swarf off the board and paper. One point Bill makes in his hand sanding presentation is to keep the paper clean with a brush. I do that and brush the dust towards the end of the hose. This works well enough for occasional use but if I were doing this every day a big down draft table set up would be more convenient. John |
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:11:59 -0500, "Dick Snyder"
wrote: I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Dick The ones on the ceiling are AIR FILTERS, not dust collectors.. big difference in that a filter gets some of what dust collectors miss.. If you have one of those adjustably height roller stands for cutoffs and stuff, use cable ties or plumbers tape to hold a 4" DC hose near your sanding.. It makes a huge difference.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:11:59 -0500, "Dick Snyder"
wrote: I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Dick For something that large, you can work in front of a window with a fan in it. It will help pull the dust away from you to the outside. Or you can work outside. Okay, maybe not too practical in winter... I made a downdraft table on wheels that pulls air thru three furnace filters. I used a furnace squirrel cage 1/4 HP blower, has two speeds. It will clear the shop of a lot of airborne dust. All woodworkers know there is no substitute for a good dust mask. Also, you can use a wide floor sweep attachment to the DC hose. That would involve moving/re-clamping the floor sweep from time to time. |
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"Dick Snyder" wrote in message ... I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Dick Mount a "floow sweep" port to the end of your work bench with your dust collector attached. On the opposite end of the bench mount a fan blowing towards the floor sweep port. |
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:00:42 -0700, the infamous Doug Winterburn
scrawled the following: Dick Snyder wrote: I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Dick Place a 20" box fan with a 20"x20" pleated furnace filter duct taped on the inlet side near your sanding. Won't get all the dust, but you'll find a lot of dust on the filter after a sanding session. You can shop-vac the filter to clean. Hmm...the tiny amount a box fan filter does pick up is the larger stuff which won't damage your lungs as badly. Better to tape a small diameter hose to the bottom of your sanding wrist to catch much more of the fine dust in the HEPA dust collector bags. I think I'd prefer to use the RAS for most of the work and then, always, do a final hand-sanding, wet solvent pre-finish prep, and hand finishing (sans stain or poly, of course.) -- It's a great life...once you weaken. --author James Hogan |
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:57:27 -0500, the infamous Phisherman
scrawled the following: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:11:59 -0500, "Dick Snyder" wrote: I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Dick For something that large, you can work in front of a window with a fan in it. It will help pull the dust away from you to the outside. Or you can work outside. Okay, maybe not too practical in winter... I made a downdraft table on wheels that pulls air thru three furnace filters. I used a furnace squirrel cage 1/4 HP blower, has two speeds. It will clear the shop of a lot of airborne dust. All woodworkers know there is no substitute for a good dust mask. And that there's not really any such thing as a good dust mask. They all leak. Use a N100 half-mask respirator. ($20 at HF from AO Safety) or a SCBA full-face supplied-air system. ($$$) Also, you can use a wide floor sweep attachment to the DC hose. That would involve moving/re-clamping the floor sweep from time to time. Yeah, they work pretty well. -- It's a great life...once you weaken. --author James Hogan |
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On 2/15/10 1:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
I think I'd prefer to use the RAS for most of the work and then, always, do a final hand-sanding, wet solvent pre-finish prep, and hand finishing (sans stain or poly, of course.) Using your radial arm saw for small sanding jobs are ya, Larry? :-p -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 2/15/10 1:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
I think I'd prefer to use the RAS for most of the work and then, always, do a final hand-sanding, wet solvent pre-finish prep, and hand finishing (sans stain or poly, of course.) Using your radial arm saw for small sanding jobs are ya, Larry? :-p -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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-MIKE- wrote in -
september.org: On 2/15/10 1:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: I think I'd prefer to use the RAS for most of the work and then, always, do a final hand-sanding, wet solvent pre-finish prep, and hand finishing (sans stain or poly, of course.) Using your radial arm saw for small sanding jobs are ya, Larry? :-p With one of those new Freud blades that cuts the wood to correct width and length (the packages I saw Friday at HD said that), Larry obviously no longer needs his RAS for cutting wood. Might as well use it for something. :-) Puckdropper -- Never teach your apprentice everything you know. |
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On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:00:11 -0600, the infamous -MIKE-
scrawled the following: On 2/15/10 1:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote: I think I'd prefer to use the RAS for most of the work and then, always, do a final hand-sanding, wet solvent pre-finish prep, and hand finishing (sans stain or poly, of course.) Using your radial arm saw for small sanding jobs are ya, Larry? :-p Oops, I meant ROS, not Radio Alarm Saur. P.S: Ackshully, that stood for Radial Art Sandah. -- It's a great life...once you weaken. --author James Hogan |
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Please get hand sanding pads with integrated dust removal connections
(Festool or Mirka hand pads), they connect directly to a vacuum cleaner. 2ndly, get proper sanding paper - Mirka Abranet is really, really good - it'¨s not real sanding paper, but rather a sanding mesh - so there's a hole through which to vacuum the dust off every 0.5 mm - so the dust removal very efficient. These solutions also work with drywalling etc., where a downdraft table is totally useless. |
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"jakiiski" wrote in message ... Please get hand sanding pads with integrated dust removal connections (Festool or Mirka hand pads), they connect directly to a vacuum cleaner. 2ndly, get proper sanding paper - Mirka Abranet is really, really good - it'¨s not real sanding paper, but rather a sanding mesh - so there's a hole through which to vacuum the dust off every 0.5 mm - so the dust removal very efficient. These solutions also work with drywalling etc., where a downdraft table is totally useless. I have Mirka Abranet mesh. I agree that you can suck up a lot of saw dust through the mesh but I want to stay with my hand sanding blocks. I am using 2 3/4" self adhesive paper on those soft yellow sanding blocks. I like the idea of total control over what I am sanding but I hate all the mess................... |
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"Leon" wrote in message ... "Dick Snyder" wrote in message ... I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Dick Mount a "floow sweep" port to the end of your work bench with your dust collector attached. On the opposite end of the bench mount a fan blowing towards the floor sweep port. When I get down to 220 grit I think a fan would just blow those fine particles all over my basement. I don't have a closed in workshop but just a portion of my basement dedicated to woodworking just like most people in this group probably have. Someone had the idea of taping the hose from my shop vac to my wrist. Sounds kind of kinky but worth a try I guess. It would be easier to use that a 4" hose to my dust collector! |
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"Dick Snyder" wrote in message ... Mount a "floow sweep" port to the end of your work bench with your dust collector attached. On the opposite end of the bench mount a fan blowing towards the floor sweep port. When I get down to 220 grit I think a fan would just blow those fine particles all over my basement. I don't have a closed in workshop but just a portion of my basement dedicated to woodworking just like most people in this group probably have. Someone had the idea of taping the hose from my shop vac to my wrist. Sounds kind of kinky but worth a try I guess. It would be easier to use that a 4" hose to my dust collector! Doing this for 30 years I have finally got the solution but you want to hand sand so you have to settle for second best. I used to use a PC SpeedBloc finish sander and it would quickly raise a cloud of dust fast. Typically I would situate myself between a fan and the open garage door. If you are not immediately containing the dust you are going to get a build up of dust eventually. |
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On 2/18/2010 10:18 AM, Leon wrote:
Doingthisfor30yearsIhavefinallygotthesolutionbutyo uwanttohandsandsoyouhavetosettleforsecondbest. German word for "Festool"? -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Dick French Maid with feather duster, reaching over sawhorse and blowing.... ?? |
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"Leon" wrote in message ... "Dick Snyder" wrote in message ... Mount a "floow sweep" port to the end of your work bench with your dust collector attached. On the opposite end of the bench mount a fan blowing towards the floor sweep port. When I get down to 220 grit I think a fan would just blow those fine particles all over my basement. I don't have a closed in workshop but just a portion of my basement dedicated to woodworking just like most people in this group probably have. Someone had the idea of taping the hose from my shop vac to my wrist. Sounds kind of kinky but worth a try I guess. It would be easier to use that a 4" hose to my dust collector! Doing this for 30 years I have finally got the solution but you want to hand sand so you have to settle for second best. I used to use a PC SpeedBloc finish sander and it would quickly raise a cloud of dust fast. Typically I would situate myself between a fan and the open garage door. If you are not immediately containing the dust you are going to get a build up of dust eventually. Hi Leon, I'm not quite following your point. The solution after 30 years is a floor sweep at the end of the bench and a fan blowing towards the floor sweep. Am I understanding your point? Wouldn't the fan blow the finer dust all over the place? Dick |
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"Leon" wrote in message ... "Dick Snyder" wrote in message ... Mount a "floow sweep" port to the end of your work bench with your dust collector attached. On the opposite end of the bench mount a fan blowing towards the floor sweep port. When I get down to 220 grit I think a fan would just blow those fine particles all over my basement. I don't have a closed in workshop but just a portion of my basement dedicated to woodworking just like most people in this group probably have. Someone had the idea of taping the hose from my shop vac to my wrist. Sounds kind of kinky but worth a try I guess. It would be easier to use that a 4" hose to my dust collector! Doing this for 30 years I have finally got the solution but you want to hand sand so you have to settle for second best. I used to use a PC SpeedBloc finish sander and it would quickly raise a cloud of dust fast. Typically I would situate myself between a fan and the open garage door. If you are not immediately containing the dust you are going to get a build up of dust eventually. Leon, I tried to post a followup question to your post (above) but I don't see it so I will try again. Do I understand you correctly that you use a floor sweep on one end of your workbench and a fan on the other end? Wouldn't the dust just blow all over the place? Dick |
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On Feb 12, 8:11*am, "Dick Snyder" wrote:
I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Dick The heavier dust from a scraper doesn't get airborne, and is way easier to deal with. Only subsequent sanding needed is a light going over with 320 to remove ridges if the scraper was nicked. Dipping the paper in naptha makes it cut 10x faster and last forever. |
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