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Rockler Visit
I had some business near the local Rockler store today and dropped in for a
visit. I haven't been in there for awhile. A lot more tools there now. When I walked in the door, therre was the big, new Delta table saw. It looked nice and cost about $3,300. What was most interesting to me was a signt hat screamed out, "New Unisaw BUILT IN AMERICA!" I thought that was interesting that US manufacture was considered a marketing point. Also, I didn't know that they still built saws here. I thought they went offshore. I wonder if they finally figured out that many people weren't going to buy a chinese copy of a unisaw. Another interesting display was the Festools. Talk about getting tool envy. I saw the Festool sliding miter saw. I looked at the price and it said $130. I thought that this could not be right. I looked closer and someone had bent the little sign showing the price. I straightened it out and it said $1300. OK, that is more like it. Obviously somebody's idea of a joke. I was about to buy it even if I already had a miter saw. Another thing that became obvious looking at the Festool catalog. You can spend a $1,000 or more for a basic tool. Then you can spend $20,000 for accessories and consumables! They getcha coming and going. I drooled a little more, grabbed a catalog and went to my next appointment. Gotta go eat now. My honey is making up some of her world famous barbecued chicken pizza.. |
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On Jul 15, 10:16*pm, "Lee Michaels"
wrote: I had some business near the local Rockler store today and dropped in for a visit. *I haven't been in there for awhile. A lot more tools there now. When I walked in the door, therre was the big, new Delta table saw. *It looked nice and cost about $3,300. What was most interesting to me was a signt hat screamed out, "New Unisaw BUILT IN AMERICA!" I thought that was interesting that US manufacture was considered a marketing point. Also, I didn't know that they still built saws here. I thought they went offshore. *I wonder if they finally figured out that many people weren't going to buy a chinese copy of a unisaw. Another interesting display was the Festools. *Talk about getting tool envy. I saw the Festool sliding miter saw. I looked at the price and it said $130. I thought that this could not be right. I looked closer and someone had bent the little sign showing the price. I straightened it out and it said $1300. |
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On Jul 15, 10:16*pm, "Lee Michaels"
wrote: I had some business near the local Rockler store today and dropped in for a visit. *I haven't been in there for awhile. A lot more tools there now. When I walked in the door, therre was the big, new Delta table saw. *It looked nice and cost about $3,300. What was most interesting to me was a signt hat screamed out, "New Unisaw BUILT IN AMERICA!" I thought that was interesting that US manufacture was considered a marketing point. Also, I didn't know that they still built saws here. I thought they went offshore. *I wonder if they finally figured out that many people weren't going to buy a chinese copy of a unisaw. Another interesting display was the Festools. *Talk about getting tool envy. I saw the Festool sliding miter saw. I looked at the price and it said $130. I thought that this could not be right. I looked closer and someone had bent the little sign showing the price. I straightened it out and it said $1300. |
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"Lee Michaels" wrote in message ... I had some business near the local Rockler store today and dropped in for a visit. I haven't been in there for awhile. A lot more tools there now. When I walked in the door, therre was the big, new Delta table saw. It looked nice and cost about $3,300. What was most interesting to me was a signt hat screamed out, "New Unisaw BUILT IN AMERICA!" Built in America, IIRC many of the parts are made in other counties. I thought that was interesting that US manufacture was considered a marketing point. Also, I didn't know that they still built saws here. I thought they went offshore. I wonder if they finally figured out that many people weren't going to buy a chinese copy of a unisaw. Another interesting display was the Festools. Talk about getting tool envy. I saw the Festool sliding miter saw. I looked at the price and it said $130. I thought that this could not be right. I looked closer and someone had bent the little sign showing the price. I straightened it out and it said $1300. OK, that is more like it. Obviously somebody's idea of a joke. I was about to buy it even if I already had a miter saw. Another thing that became obvious looking at the Festool catalog. You can spend a $1,000 or more for a basic tool. Then you can spend $20,000 for accessories and consumables! They getcha coming and going. Festool may be way more tool than you need as far as quality and longetivity are concerned. I know it certainly is that way for me however I do own 4 Festool Power tools. Yesterday I sanded the face frames of an entire large kitchen, 22 cabinets 120 grit, 150 grit, and 180 grit in about 2.5 hours and left no dust behind during the job. |
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I had some business near the local Rockler store today and dropped in for a
visit. I haven't been in there for awhile. A lot more tools there now. When I walked in the door, therre was the big, new Delta table saw. It looked nice and cost about $3,300. What was most interesting to me was a signt hat screamed out, "New Unisaw BUILT IN AMERICA!" I, too suspect "BUILT" is the key word. I'll bet many of the parts came from China. Especially castings. I also have to wonder if, at $3,300, it is four times the saw as my eight year old Grizzly 1023S. (OK, before you do the inflation thing on me, three+ times better than currently priced 1023S). When I started looking for cabinet saws 8-9 years ago I thought it was going to be easy. I grew up around old Unisaws and figured I would just buy one, until I saw the new ones. They weren't the same saws. Other than looking a lot different, I hope the new Unisaw is truly a better machine that is worth that kind of money. RonB |
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On Jul 16, 9:30*am, RonB wrote:
I had some business near the local Rockler store today and dropped in for a visit. *I haven't been in there for awhile. A lot more tools there now.. When I walked in the door, therre was the big, new Delta table saw. *It looked nice and cost about $3,300. What was most interesting to me was a signt hat screamed out, "New Unisaw BUILT IN AMERICA!" I, too suspect "BUILT" is the key word. *I'll bet *many of the parts came from China. *Especially castings. *I also have to wonder if, at $3,300, it is four times the saw as my eight year old Grizzly 1023S. (OK, before you do the inflation thing on me, three+ times better than currently priced 1023S). When I started looking for cabinet saws 8-9 years ago I thought it was going to be easy. *I grew up around old Unisaws and figured I would just buy one, until I saw the new ones. *They weren't the same saws. Other than looking a lot different, I hope the new Unisaw is truly a better machine that is worth that kind of money. RonB At $ 3300.00, A Unisaur would be in the neighbourhood of a SawStop. By all accounts an excellent saw. Then there are a few General saws to choose from in that price-range. There are too many other saws in that price bracket, including a Festool plunge with table and tracks. If I was without saw and had to make a $3K decision, I think I would re-learn my way of doing things and go track. Also, $3K buys a nice restorable Altendorf or SCM slider. |
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On Jul 16, 8:58*am, Robatoy wrote:
On Jul 16, 9:30*am, RonB wrote: I had some business near the local Rockler store today and dropped in for a visit. *I haven't been in there for awhile. A lot more tools there now. When I walked in the door, therre was the big, new Delta table saw. *It looked nice and cost about $3,300. What was most interesting to me was a signt hat screamed out, "New Unisaw BUILT IN AMERICA!" I, too suspect "BUILT" is the key word. *I'll bet *many of the parts came from China. *Especially castings. *I also have to wonder if, at $3,300, it is four times the saw as my eight year old Grizzly 1023S. (OK, before you do the inflation thing on me, three+ times better than currently priced 1023S). When I started looking for cabinet saws 8-9 years ago I thought it was going to be easy. *I grew up around old Unisaws and figured I would just buy one, until I saw the new ones. *They weren't the same saws. Other than looking a lot different, I hope the new Unisaw is truly a better machine that is worth that kind of money. RonB At $ 3300.00, A Unisaur would be in the neighbourhood of a SawStop. By all accounts an excellent saw. Then there are a few General saws to choose from in that price-range. There are too many other saws in that price bracket, including a Festool plunge with table and tracks. If I was without saw and had to make a $3K decision, I think I would re-learn my way of doing things and go track. Also, $3K buys a nice restorable Altendorf or SCM slider. Actually, when I saw the first pictures of the new Unisaw my mind clicked over to Craftsman of the mid-70's. That is when they started selling gimmicks and appearance stuff and quit building a descent grade of power tools. I know that is not appropriate for the new Deltas (I hope) but that was an impression. Those handwheels are an attention getter. RonB RonB |
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"RonB" wrote in message ... I had some business near the local Rockler store today and dropped in for a visit. I haven't been in there for awhile. A lot more tools there now. When I walked in the door, therre was the big, new Delta table saw. It looked nice and cost about $3,300. What was most interesting to me was a signt hat screamed out, "New Unisaw BUILT IN AMERICA!" I, too suspect "BUILT" is the key word. I'll bet many of the parts came from China. Especially castings. I also have to wonder if, at $3,300, it is four times the saw as my eight year old Grizzly 1023S. (OK, before you do the inflation thing on me, three+ times better than currently priced 1023S). No, I think the saw is way over priced for what you are getting. It is purdy but so is the SawStop for a few hundred more and you get a lot lot more safety for your buck. IMHO the new Unisaw is still running 3rd place behind the latest offferings from SawStop and Powermatic. When I started looking for cabinet saws 8-9 years ago I thought it was going to be easy. I grew up around old Unisaws and figured I would just buy one, until I saw the new ones. They weren't the same saws. Other than looking a lot different, I hope the new Unisaw is truly a better machine that is worth that kind of money. My money was going towards the Unisaw 10 years ago utlil the 2 dealers that carried Delta and Jet pointed me toward the Jet and then one of the dealers pointed out the broken trunion on the Unisaw display model. I still have the Jet. |
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In article , "Leon" wrote:
"RonB" wrote in message ... I had some business near the local Rockler store today and dropped in for a visit. I haven't been in there for awhile. A lot more tools there now. When I walked in the door, therre was the big, new Delta table saw. It looked nice and cost about $3,300. What was most interesting to me was a signt hat screamed out, "New Unisaw BUILT IN AMERICA!" I, too suspect "BUILT" is the key word. I'll bet many of the parts came from China. Especially castings. I also have to wonder if, at $3,300, it is four times the saw as my eight year old Grizzly 1023S. (OK, before you do the inflation thing on me, three+ times better than currently priced 1023S). No, I think the saw is way over priced for what you are getting. It is purdy but so is the SawStop for a few hundred more and you get a lot lot more safety for your buck. IMHO the new Unisaw is still running 3rd place behind the latest offferings from SawStop and Powermatic. Yep, I gotta agree. I was up at the Woodcraft store yesterday... big ol' SawStop cabinet saw on display right inside the door. It was all I could do to not drool on it... Nice piece of gear, that. Very solid and well-made. And as soon as I saw "$3,300" in that post I thought, Why? Why spend that on a Unisaw when you can get a SawStop for basically the same price? It's an outstanding saw, better IMO than the Unisaw even if it did *not* have the safety feature. SawStop is going to eat Delta for lunch in the table saw market. |
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"Doug Miller" wrote Yep, I gotta agree. I was up at the Woodcraft store yesterday... big ol' SawStop cabinet saw on display right inside the door. It was all I could do to not drool on it... Nice piece of gear, that. Very solid and well-made. And as soon as I saw "$3,300" in that post I thought, Why? Why spend that on a Unisaw when you can get a SawStop for basically the same price? It's an outstanding saw, better IMO than the Unisaw even if it did *not* have the safety feature. SawStop is going to eat Delta for lunch in the table saw market. What is this thing of putting a big peice of drool worthy equipment right inside the front door? Does that loosen up the wallets or something? I haven't seen a Sawstop up close and personal. Maybe I should wander down to Woodcraft and take a look. Refresh my memory somebody. Where are the Sawstops made? |
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Leon wrote:
Yesterday I sanded the face frames of an entire large kitchen, 22 cabinets 120 grit, 150 grit, and 180 grit in about 2.5 hours and left no dust behind during the job. And the amazing thing was that the construction site fan which was keeping us from heat stroke, and which periodically took its own rest break due to the 106 degree temperature in central Texas, was louder by far than the Festool "shop vac". The combination sander and vac was pretty cool ... well, not quite "cool", but nifty as hell. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:24:40 -0500, "Leon"
wrote: Yesterday I sanded the face frames of an entire large kitchen, 22 cabinets 120 grit, 150 grit, and 180 grit in about 2.5 hours and left no dust behind during the job. Wow! That got my attention. Hmmmm....$$$$.....$$$$....hmmm.... Regards, Tom Watson http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ |
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"Tom Watson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:24:40 -0500, "Leon" wrote: Yesterday I sanded the face frames of an entire large kitchen, 22 cabinets 120 grit, 150 grit, and 180 grit in about 2.5 hours and left no dust behind during the job. Wow! That got my attention. Hmmmm....$$$$.....$$$$....hmmm.... YEAH!!!!!! Hmmmm....$$$$.....$$$$....hmmm.... D'ju hear that Swingman? ROTFL |
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Tom Watson wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:24:40 -0500, "Leon" wrote: Yesterday I sanded the face frames of an entire large kitchen, 22 cabinets 120 grit, 150 grit, and 180 grit in about 2.5 hours and left no dust behind during the job. Wow! That got my attention. Hmmmm....$$$$.....$$$$....hmmm.... Regards, Tom Watson http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ Here are some of those FF's that got Leon's Festool treatment http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/13525-1.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/13525-2.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/13525-3.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/13525-4.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/13525-5.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/13525-6.jpg Leon and I were in this new residential construction all day for three days this week, in 104 + degree heat, no AC, installing these boxes. Photos were taken as we left late yesterday afternoon for the 150 mile trek back to our respective shops, and the relative cool of the Gulf Coast. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:04:12 -0500, Swingman wrote:
Tom Watson wrote: On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:24:40 -0500, "Leon" wrote: Yesterday I sanded the face frames of an entire large kitchen, 22 cabinets 120 grit, 150 grit, and 180 grit in about 2.5 hours and left no dust behind during the job. Wow! That got my attention. Hmmmm....$$$$.....$$$$....hmmm.... Regards, Tom Watson http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ Here are some of those FF's that got Leon's Festool treatment http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/13525-1.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/13525-2.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/13525-3.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/13525-4.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/13525-5.jpg http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/13525-6.jpg Leon and I were in this new residential construction all day for three days this week, in 104 + degree heat, no AC, installing these boxes. Photos were taken as we left late yesterday afternoon for the 150 mile trek back to our respective shops, and the relative cool of the Gulf Coast. They look awesome. (i still wish that you would not run those vertical's all the way to the top - don't look natcheral to me :-) ) The thing that got me going was the "NO DUST" part. I'm gonna have to take a look at these Fusstools. You boys are rockin'! Regards, Tom Watson http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ |
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Tom Watson wrote:
(i still wish that you would not run those vertical's all the way to the top - don't look natcheral to me :-) ) LOL ... Yep, I agree. But, being forced to build cabinets months before a structure even exists ain't exactly a "natcheral" endeavor, Tom .... and individual boxes, face frames clamped and screwed together side by side, do tend to look that way. Not to mention - staring this in the face, with a schedule to meet and dimensions changing with every coat of plaster: http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/13525-0.jpg .... and you do what you gotta do. IOW, you ain't done nothing till you've tried your hand at designing/building/hanging cabinets on the walls of a "straw bale" house! Don't ask ... it definitely ain't "natcheral". -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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"Tom Watson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:04:12 -0500, Swingman wrote: Snip They look awesome. (i still wish that you would not run those vertical's all the way to the top - don't look natcheral to me :-) ) The thing that got me going was the "NO DUST" part. I'm gonna have to take a look at these Fusstools. You boys are rockin'! I gotta tell you, it's a slippery slope. I got the CT22 Festool Vac with the Domino, it was recommended by Festool dealer, LOL. Then on Robatoy's recommendation on the Festool Rotex Sander I got one to replace my 20 year old PC right angle ROS. When I saw how much dust "there wasn't" after sanding I naturally had to replace my PC SpeedBloc sander also I was/am threw with sanding dust. It takes some getting used to, not seeing any dust on the work and the paper looking brand new when it is worn out. |
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"Tom Watson" wrote in message The thing that got me going was the "NO DUST" part. I'm gonna have to take a look at these Fusstools. In the vein of dust free, you should have a look at Festool's website. They have a video of a router with an attached Festool vacuum cutting a dado and there's very little dust to be seen. |
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