Yes: your pills.

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
am
"George" wrote in message
...

We will rule the world as real super Power!

Did I forget anything?

Bill wrote:
: Is that the UK version of the "National Enquirer"?


Um, nope. More like the NY Times. And the report was issued by the
Pentagon.

This has been reported in the Miami Herald, and other mainstream papers.
Here's one from Fortune magazine:

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/print...582584,00.html

This isn't fake, it's real, and scary.

-- Andy Barss

"George" wrote in message
...
Am I missing something here?

Yes, of course, you are.

Are we not the only superpower on earth?

That didn't stop the attacks of September 11, 2001, did it?

Do we have the most aircraft carriers on earth?

And, they provided no protection against the attacks of September 11, 2001,
and were unable to determine whether Iraq was developing weapons of mass
destruction.

Do we not have the largest stockpile of WMD's on earth? And the list goes
on and
on.

Perhaps. It could be that Russia and China have more. Who's counting?
It's about how they're intended to be used that matters.


We are arms to the teeth, and we are still afraid and need more arms.
What and
who are we afraid of? Whom did we offend so badly that we need to arms so
much
and to destroy everyone?

We're not afraid of nations. We're afraid of rogues and terrorists. It's
not whether we've offended anyone. It's that some people hate us,
regardless what we've done, and would see us destroyed, for whatever reasons
they'd decided.

Since we have declared the right of self defense and first strikes, Pres.
Bush
and Tony Blair should destroy anyone whom *THEY* think a danger to us, no?

Individually? No. With the consent of Congress? Have at you!

Maybe, we too should strike France, Germany and other Old Europe including
China.. oops! maybe, Canada too, who did not share our views on Iraq?

How did China get into Old Europe? Or Canada? Are they stockpiling weapons
that could potentially be used against us by terrorists?

Hope the above questions and trash will make us think a bit deeper?

I'm glad you identified that as trash. I thought, for a second, that you
were serious.

Kevin

Is there a difference between the NY Times and the National Enquirer?


"Andrew Barss" wrote in message
...
Bill wrote:
: Is that the UK version of the "National Enquirer"?


Um, nope. More like the NY Times. And the report was issued by the
Pentagon.

This has been reported in the Miami Herald, and other mainstream papers.
Here's one from Fortune magazine:

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/print...582584,00.html

This isn't fake, it's real, and scary.

-- Andy Barss

As usual with this kind of stuff, the article uses a lot of exact terms like
"if" and "may". Nothing solid.
If this stuff bothers you, here's another one for you. If the sun burns out,
we'll all freeze.

"Andrew Barss" wrote in message
...
Bill wrote:
: Is that the UK version of the "National Enquirer"?


Um, nope. More like the NY Times. And the report was issued by the
Pentagon.

This has been reported in the Miami Herald, and other mainstream papers.
Here's one from Fortune magazine:

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/print...582584,00.html

This isn't fake, it's real, and scary.

-- Andy Barss

Number of pages.


"Bill" wrote in message
...

Is there a difference between the NY Times and the National Enquirer?

Bill wrote:
: Is there a difference between the NY Times and the National Enquirer?


Is there a difference between Bill and a 2x4 cutoff soaked in
used motor oil?

-- Andy Barss

CW wrote:
: As usual with this kind of stuff, the article uses a lot of exact terms like
: "if" and "may". Nothing solid.


Nothing solid? Did you actually read the articles, and the report?

: If this stuff bothers you, here's another one for you. If the sun burns out,
: we'll all freeze.


You really aren't very smart. Surprise, surprise.

-- Andy Barss

Andrew Barss wrote in message ...
Imagine someone wants to set you up with a woman (if you're female, please
reverse genders here) who:

a) charges huge purchases to your credit card with no plan to pay them
off, other than vaguely implying your kids will take care of it;

b) goes over to a neighbor's house and hits him in the head with an axe,
based on an unsubstatiated rumour that the neighbor had been planning to
buy an axe;

c) decides your dad would be better off if we threw away some of his
benefit checks, calling them "wasteful";


d) pretended to have served a full term on the local PTA, when in
fact she spent half her claimd PTA time doing her nails;

e) decides she should have access to the complete records of what you,
your family, and your neighbors have said on the phone, checked out of the
library, and said in private, and that the content of that can and should
be used to deter anyone suspicious in jail, without being charged, and
without having access to an attourney.


Would you marry her?


-- Andy Barss


point by point:
a)while I agree that Bush has spent like a wild man and needs to
attempt a slow down in spending, please remember that a huge amount of
this spending has had to do with 911 and the resulting military
actions. War costs money, defense costs money. And congress had to
approve the spending. Before you say they had no choice, and that
democrats couldn't stop the majority, please take note that they were
certainly able to stop Bush's judicial appointments...

b)if that neighbor had a history of invading his other neighbors
houses, and a history of killing people in his own household, and if
there was undeniable evidence that he possessed axes, I really
wouldn't care what he was going to buy, I would fire bomb his house
purely as a safeguard.

c.) boy will this **** you off... it is a waste. If my dad would be
self responsible in the first place, he wouldn't need the government
teat. Social Security is a huge Ponzi scheme, and I am one of the
suckers who will be left holding the empty bag. So I say get rid of
the sorry socialist program, and let me invest my money rather than
have it stolen from me by the government, who never intends to pay it
back. I for one am tired of being used as a slave to people who fail
to plan, or don't want to work, or aren't even citizens of this
country. All people of my age group believe they will never see Social
Security benefits, and that is one of the biggest reasons liberals
(read socialists) are continually failing to impress us, let alone
getting our votes.

d.)Regardless of what was done while in the NG, he has all he needs.
It is called and honorable discharge, and they are not given away.
BTW, Clinton received his draft notice and ran. Kerry, though he may
have served honorably (maybe) turned Hanoi Jane on us upon his return,
which is also known as giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Let him
push this issue, more of the truth will come out. Did you know that
some soldiers have refused their 3rd Purple Heart, because they know
it will take them out of the field. Kerry put in his own requests for
those purple hearts, and immediately requested to be reassigned after
his 3rd purple heart (officers can do such things). Tours in Nam
lasted 1 year, Kerry was there slightly more or less than 4 months.
His first two purple hearts were for wounds that were fixed literally
with band-aids. His last purple heart was also minor and kept him from
his duties for less than 2 days. This could be viewed as cowardice,
but I would prefer it not be. It is only because Kerry and his cronies
took it upon themselves to attack Bush's service, that people have
looked more closely at Kerry's service and called it into question. I
served my country the first time around against Saddam, and my service
to my country, no matter how small is something I am most proud of,
and no one, AND I MEAN NO ONE, can belittle it, or take it away from
me, or make me feel bad about it. And I am sure Kerry and Bush feel
the same way. In 1992, Kerry stood on the senate floor and defended
Bill Clinton's lack of service, saying in effect, that it was a low
thing to resort to questioning the actions of people during the
Vietnam War. Kerry has apparently decided that the same standards do
not apply to Bush.

e)if you have nothing to hide, why do you care? If slight invasions of
my privacy are made to keep another 3,000 Americans from dying, I'm OK
with that. I have nothing to hide.

Do not let my calm exterior belie my inner turmoil,

David

Yes, I read it. Offers no proof. BTW Andy, you still owe me some money.

"Andrew Barss" wrote in message
...
CW wrote:
: As usual with this kind of stuff, the article uses a lot of exact terms
like
: "if" and "may". Nothing solid.


Nothing solid? Did you actually read the articles, and the report?

: If this stuff bothers you, here's another one for you. If the sun burns
out,
: we'll all freeze.


You really aren't very smart. Surprise, surprise.

-- Andy Barss

Germany, France, Russia. That's not an inconsiderable
group of countries to have alienated, especially given that the population
of Iraq is about that of Mexico City.

And those other 40 countries don't count? Germany, Russia, and France
all had nice big oil agreements with Iraq. This doesn't indicate that
we didn't or never had similar agreements. Really, we don't need a
permission slip to protect ourselves.


: c) The president hasn't moved a single civilian job overseas. Isn't that
: the responsibility of employers?

That's a pathetic dodge.

If three million US jobs had been lost under a Democratic administration,
the mainstream press as well as GOP flacks would have been all over it for
months.

Oh yeah, like the way they reported Hilary's racially bigoted remark
about Ghandi.
Or Senator Bird's use of "******" in front of the camera. Or Michael
Moore calling Bush a deserter, while stumping for Clark in NH. Face
it, the democrats get a pass on everything. But if a Republican, like
say Trent Lott says something nice like "perhaps things would have
been better if Strom had been President" at a 99 year old man's
birthday party, he is automatically a racist in the eyes of the press.

One thing about this whole three million jobs lost nonsense... we
never hear how many jobs have been created. You can't tell me they
haven't been created. And in fact they have, but that is never
reported. Because that would make Bush look good. Those 3 million
jobs, are jobs that were going to go anyway, and it is oh so
convenient to use them to smear Bush, like he had any control over
them. The government does not own those jobs, employers do. The last
time I checked, employers can do what they want with their jobs.
Anybody reading all of this stuff, how many people do you know who do
not have a job. Really think about it? Now, how many of them want a
job? And if they want a job, how many of them are too lazy to go get
one. Or how many of them are trying to max out their unemployment
benefits, before they are forced to get one.
What really amazes me is that Bush's economic report of last week
describes this massive loss of US jobs as a good thing.
BUSH NEVER SAID THIS...LIE!
And the
mainstream press has been pretty silent on that.

BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER SAID!


: It seems your anger is misdirected, Andy. How sad.

My feeling isn't anger, it's amazement. I'm genuinely amazed that
people who seem smart and sensible can think Bush and his administration
are anything other than a complete disaster.

Andy, we know what you are really mad about. Andy, let go of Florida.
He was elected fairly. How many ways do the votes have to be counted
for you to realize that Bush won? They even set up scenarios where
Gore cheated, and Bush still won. For any one reading, this is what is
at the root of all the anger against Bush by Democrats. Florida 2000.
Get over it. Thank God he will be reelected!

David

Larry Blanchard wrote in message ...
In article ,
says...
I think he does better than half. I'm not sure public speaking is the most
important skill for the leader of the free world, but, then, I'm not a
Democrat, am I?

As long as the present system continues as is, we'll continue to
see the best candidates, not the best leaders.

Oh how trite. Oh how profound. Oh what a crock of BS.

"Bill" wrote in message ...
Is that the UK version of the "National Enquirer"?


That rag is as liberal as the New York Times. I have renewed my
stance... they would be better off getting their information from
their fellow riders on the short bus.

David wrote:

point by point:
a)while I agree that Bush has spent like a wild man and needs to
attempt a slow down in spending, please remember that a huge amount of
this spending has had to do with 911 and the resulting military
actions.


And bailing out his Buddies.



b)if that neighbor had a history of invading his other neighbors
houses, and a history of killing people in his own household, and if
there was undeniable evidence that he possessed axes, I really
wouldn't care what he was going to buy, I would fire bomb his house
purely as a safeguard.



Agreed. IF he were MY neighbor.





c.) boy will this **** you off... it is a waste. If my dad would be
self responsible in the first place, he wouldn't need the government
teat. Social Security is a huge Ponzi scheme, and I am one of the
suckers who will be left holding the empty bag. ...



You don't like it? Go live in another country. Your kind aren't needed here.

You are aware there are people who saved and planned and now have nothing?


d.)Regardless of what was done while in the NG, he has all he needs.
It is called and honorable discharge, and they are not given away.


Except to well connected peoples.


e)if you have nothing to hide, why do you care? If slight invasions of
my privacy are made to keep another 3,000 Americans from dying, I'm OK
with that. I have nothing to hide.


Cool, I'll be over your place tonight and go through everything you own.

Maybe I'll just stop you on the street and go through your wallet before letting
you pass.

This section E is the biggest piece of bull**** I have read.

Section E is proof the terrorists are winning.


Your supporting their victory.




--

Mark

N.E. Ohio


Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens, A.K.A.
Mark Twain)

When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the suspense.
(Gaz, r.moto)

David wrote:

Larry Blanchard wrote in message ...

In article ,
says...

I think he does better than half. I'm not sure public speaking is the most
important skill for the leader of the free world, but, then, I'm not a
Democrat, am I?


As long as the present system continues as is, we'll continue to
see the best candidates, not the best leaders.


Oh how trite. Oh how profound. Oh what a crock of BS.



Actually it's very true.


To bad you can't see it.



--
--

Mark

N.E. Ohio


Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens, A.K.A.
Mark Twain)

When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the suspense.
(Gaz, r.moto)

LOL!

Seems to me the Global warming would cancel out the global cooling.

Or is it vice versa.

The earth will be here long after we have gone.

What big egos some people have to think we have the power to destroy her.


"CW" wrote in message
...
As usual with this kind of stuff, the article uses a lot of exact terms
like
"if" and "may". Nothing solid.
If this stuff bothers you, here's another one for you. If the sun burns
out,
we'll all freeze.

"Andrew Barss" wrote in message
...
Bill wrote:
: Is that the UK version of the "National Enquirer"?


Um, nope. More like the NY Times. And the report was issued by the
Pentagon.

This has been reported in the Miami Herald, and other mainstream papers.
Here's one from Fortune magazine:

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/print...582584,00.html

This isn't fake, it's real, and scary.

-- Andy Barss

LOL! You guys are cracking me up!


I've seen some great replies to these liberals in here.

I'm trying to stay as silent as I can. I get pretty worked up sometimes.

I honestly think most of these people would LOVE to live in China.




"David" wrote in message
om...
"Bill" wrote in message
...
Is that the UK version of the "National Enquirer"?


That rag is as liberal as the New York Times. I have renewed my
stance... they would be better off getting their information from
their fellow riders on the short bus.

For a couple of days, then they'd figure it out.

"Bill" wrote in message
...

I honestly think most of these people would LOVE to live in China.

"Kevin Singleton" wrote in message ...
"George" wrote in message
...

Do we have the most aircraft carriers on earth?

And, they provided no protection against the attacks of September 11, 2001,
and were unable to determine whether Iraq was developing weapons of mass
destruction.


I agree that aircraft carriers are only marginally useful for the
purpose of finding WMDs. But we do have other means to do so and
there is no evidence that those other methods failed to give the
US administartion an accurate understanding of the situation in Iraq.
Indeed, there is ample evidence that it did.

--

FF

In article , Fred the
Red Shirt wrote:

"Kevin Singleton" wrote in message
...
"George" wrote in message
...

Do we have the most aircraft carriers on earth?

And, they provided no protection against the attacks of September 11, 2001,
and were unable to determine whether Iraq was developing weapons of mass
destruction.


I agree that aircraft carriers are only marginally useful for the
purpose of finding WMDs. But we do have other means to do so and
there is no evidence that those other methods failed to give the
US administartion an accurate understanding of the situation in Iraq.
Indeed, there is ample evidence that it did.

An aircraft carrier is a power projection tool and always has been.
It's not meant to sit and defend a coastline. Keep in mind power
projection does not have to mean the actual dropping of weapons just
the presence of that much offensive power just off a coast is useful to
aid diplomatic negotiations or influence a countries military
directions.

Allen
Former EA-6B Prowler ECMO, 485 traps on Saratoga, Kennedy, Kitty Hawk,
Nimitz, Lincoln, Constellation, Roosevelt, Stennis, Truman,
Independence, Ike, JFK.

"Kevin Singleton" wrote in message
...

"George" wrote in message
...
Am I missing something here?

Yes, of course, you are.

Are we not the only superpower on earth?

That didn't stop the attacks of September 11, 2001, did it?

Yeah, but that's because your arrogant administration ignored
all the warnings coming from various security agencies
around the world.


--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing

In article ,
says...

"Kevin Singleton" wrote in message
...

"George" wrote in message
...
Am I missing something here?

Yes, of course, you are.

Are we not the only superpower on earth?

That didn't stop the attacks of September 11, 2001, did it?

Yeah, but that's because your arrogant administration ignored
all the warnings coming from various security agencies
around the world.

... and which administration would that be? Seems that many of those
warnings were issued in the late 90's.

"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message s.com...
In article ,
says...

"Kevin Singleton" wrote in message
...

"George" wrote in message
...
Am I missing something here?

Yes, of course, you are.

Are we not the only superpower on earth?

That didn't stop the attacks of September 11, 2001, did it?

Yeah, but that's because your arrogant administration ignored
all the warnings coming from various security agencies
around the world.

... and which administration would that be? Seems that many of those
warnings were issued in the late 90's.

Dammit, stop confusing the issue with the facts ;^)

The previous admin did nothing to stop terrorists. They tried to handle the first Trade
Center attack and a violation of law thru the courts. See where that got us.

Just like WMD's. The Clinton made a far more compelling case for the existence of WMD's
than the Bush admin. Even launched an attack via cruise missiles. Suddenly, with a Republican
in the White House, the WMD's never existed and George Bush knew it.

It's all election year politics. Politics first, the country last!

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:51:28 GMT, "Bill"
brought forth from the murky depths:

LOL!

Seems to me the Global warming would cancel out the global cooling.

Or is it vice versa.

The earth will be here long after we have gone.

What big egos some people have to think we have the power to destroy her.

I have this Barss character filtered for other antics.
He's a TEACHER, y'know.

Yes. There is a global warming happening right now. BUT...

ONE degree per CENTURY is not going to kill/drown/ruin us,
but if it keeps up, our great, great, great, grandkids might
have a problem. From our own NOAA (weather dept, Andy)

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/howdo.html

"The record of instrumental temperature measurements, extending back
to the 19th century, provides one clear indication: that the mean
annual surface air temperatures of the earth have risen approximately
0.5°C (0.9°F) since 1860."

Sorry, Andy.


This isn't fake, it's real, and scary.

-- Andy Barss

See if any of these made it into the Zonie Library.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...362894-8848818

"Global Warming and Other Eco Myths" by Ronald Bailey

"Global Warming in a Politically Correct Climate : How Truth Became
Controversial" by M. Mihkel Mathiesen

"It Ain't Necessarily So: How Media Make and Unmake the Scientific
Picture of Reality" by David Murray, Joel Schwartz, S. Robert Lichter

"The Skeptical Environmentalist: Measuring the Real State of the
World" by Bjorn Lomborg


..-.
Life is short. Eat dessert first!
---
http://diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
m...

I agree that aircraft carriers are only marginally useful for the
purpose of finding WMDs. But we do have other means to do so and
there is no evidence that those other methods failed to give the
US administartion an accurate understanding of the situation in Iraq.
Indeed, there is ample evidence that it did.

So, why'd you even mention aircraft carriers, if they're not relevant? If
the US had an accurate understanding of the situation in Iraq, how'd the UN
get bamboozled for over 10 years?

Kevin

"Jez" wrote in message
...

Yeah, but that's because your arrogant administration ignored
all the warnings coming from various security agencies
around the world.

That's what I've been saying about the Clinton administration since the
first Trade Center attacks.

Kevin

"Kevin Singleton" wrote in message
...

"Jez" wrote in message
...

Yeah, but that's because your arrogant administration ignored
all the warnings coming from various security agencies
around the world.

That's what I've been saying about the Clinton administration since the
first Trade Center attacks.

****ing idiot.
You blame Clinton for what happened under Bush ...

Great ****ing logic.


--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing

"Kevin Singleton" wrote in message ...
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
m...

I agree that aircraft carriers are only marginally useful for the
purpose of finding WMDs. But we do have other means to do so and
there is no evidence that those other methods failed to give the
US administartion an accurate understanding of the situation in Iraq.
Indeed, there is ample evidence that it did.

So, why'd you even mention aircraft carriers, if they're not relevant?

As you know, I did not. See:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

If
the US had an accurate understanding of the situation in Iraq, how'd the UN
get bamboozled for over 10 years?


My impression is that he UMOVIC report of 2003 was pretty accurate.

--

FF

Reductio ad absurdum. Well done!

--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
am
"George" wrote in message
...

If you do not blame Clinton who do you blame for the recession, 3 millions
plus
jobs' loss and started the huge budget defect!

Bush is the BEST Pres. we ever have. in just mere three years Pres. Bush
brought
us to real prosperity. It would be nice to do away the constitution and make
Pres. Bush President for life. Like the late former Pres. Amin of Uganda, or
Marcos of the Philippines, No?

We will have world peace, no one will dare to mess with us, NO?
We will destroy any country that dare to disagree with us. We do not need any
environment laws, International Court, blah, blah, blah.....

Don't forget we are the most powerful Nation on earth and can do what we
please.

Another trash post

Bill wrote:
: LOL!

: Seems to me the Global warming would cancel out the global cooling.

: Or is it vice versa.

Please read some of the science behind these reports. It isn't a choice
or conflict between cooling and warming. It's that increases in
greenhouse gases destabilize the world climate, bringing it to a tipping
point where extremes of both cold and warm occur.


By the Pentagon's estimates, northwestern Europe will be extremely cold
-- England having winters like Siberia does now -- while
other areas, including equatorial areas of Africa, southern Europe, and
Central and South America will experience extreme increaes in heat.

Let's see: the Pentagon, trying to calculate risks to national security,
says climate change in the next 15 years is a far greater threat than
terrorism is.

The White House, with deep ties to the oil industry, buries the report for
four months until it's leaked to the press, then dismisses it as
speculation.

Gee, I guess I better believe Cheney and Bush -- they're really on top of
the science. Unlike those, uh, scientists.

-- Andy Barss

Larry Jaques wrote:

: I have this Barss character filtered for other antics.
: He's a TEACHER, y'know.

And I ignore your postings, always, since I've found them to be either
irrational, unpleasant, or offbase.

: Yes. There is a global warming happening right now. BUT...

: ONE degree per CENTURY is not going to kill/drown/ruin us

Are you familiar with the concept of a tipping point?


: "The Skeptical Environmentalist: Measuring the Real State of the
: World" by Bjorn Lomborg

You're citing Lundberg on this? Come on, that's like citing
Tammy Faye on matters of religion. Lundberg is a joke.

-- Andy Barss

In article ,
says...
Larry Jaques wrote:

.... snip

: ONE degree per CENTURY is not going to kill/drown/ruin us

Are you familiar with the concept of a tipping point?


Do you by chance subscribe to "It Could Happen to You!" magazine?


: "The Skeptical Environmentalist: Measuring the Real State of the
: World" by Bjorn Lomborg

You're citing Lundberg on this? Come on, that's like citing
Tammy Faye on matters of religion. Lundberg is a joke.


i.e. his conclusions do not agree with those you support.

-- Andy Barss

"Andrew Barss" wrote in message
...
Unlike those, uh, scientists.

You mean the "if", "may", and "possibly could" crowd?

OK


"Andrew Barss" wrote in message
...
Bill wrote:
: LOL!

: Seems to me the Global warming would cancel out the global cooling.

: Or is it vice versa.

Please read some of the science behind these reports. It isn't a choice
or conflict between cooling and warming. It's that increases in
greenhouse gases destabilize the world climate, bringing it to a tipping
point where extremes of both cold and warm occur.


By the Pentagon's estimates, northwestern Europe will be extremely cold
-- England having winters like Siberia does now -- while
other areas, including equatorial areas of Africa, southern Europe, and
Central and South America will experience extreme increaes in heat.

Let's see: the Pentagon, trying to calculate risks to national security,
says climate change in the next 15 years is a far greater threat than
terrorism is.

The White House, with deep ties to the oil industry, buries the report for
four months until it's leaked to the press, then dismisses it as
speculation.

Gee, I guess I better believe Cheney and Bush -- they're really on top of
the science. Unlike those, uh, scientists.

-- Andy Barss

"George" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:24:11 -0000, "Jez"

wrote:

****ing idiot.
You blame Clinton for what happened under Bush ...

If you do not blame Clinton who do you blame for the recession, 3 millions
plus
jobs' loss and started the huge budget defect!

Bush is the BEST Pres. we ever have. in just mere three years Pres. Bush
brought
us to real prosperity.

Your so full of ****, I sure you must be a toilet !


--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing

"Bill" wrote in message ...
LOL!

Seems to me the Global warming would cancel out the global cooling.

Or is it vice versa.


Well, if you have one foot in a bucket of dry ice and the other in
a bucket of boiling water are you comfortable?


The earth will be here long after we have gone.

Yes the question is how soon we're going and by what means.


What big egos some people have to think we have the power to destroy her.


Oh no, we won't destroy the Earth. But we are real good at making
it inhospitable to some living things. We often find ourselves
among those.

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FF

Perhaps you should try and identify which administration ignored which
warning, before we continue.

Kevin
"Jez" wrote in message
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****ing idiot.
You blame Clinton for what happened under Bush ...

Great ****ing logic.

And who it was that, when offered Osama, declined.

"Kevin Singleton" wrote in message
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Perhaps you should try and identify which administration ignored which
warning, before we continue.

Kevin
"Jez" wrote in message
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****ing idiot.
You blame Clinton for what happened under Bush ...

Great ****ing logic.

You are correct, sir! You threw me off, when you interjected into the
conversation with this:

"Kevin Singleton" wrote in message
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"George" wrote in message
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Do we have the most aircraft carriers on earth?

And, they provided no protection against the attacks of September 11,
2001,
and were unable to determine whether Iraq was developing weapons of mass
destruction.


I agree that aircraft carriers are only marginally useful for the
purpose of finding WMDs. But we do have other means to do so and
there is no evidence that those other methods failed to give the
US administartion an accurate understanding of the situation in Iraq.
Indeed, there is ample evidence that it did.

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FF

So, remind me, again, what is your position?

Kevin
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...
"Kevin Singleton" wrote in message
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"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
m...

I agree that aircraft carriers are only marginally useful for the
purpose of finding WMDs. But we do have other means to do so and
there is no evidence that those other methods failed to give the
US administartion an accurate understanding of the situation in Iraq.
Indeed, there is ample evidence that it did.

So, why'd you even mention aircraft carriers, if they're not relevant?

As you know, I did not. See:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain

If
the US had an accurate understanding of the situation in Iraq, how'd the
UN
get bamboozled for over 10 years?


My impression is that he UMOVIC report of 2003 was pretty accurate.

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"CW" wrote in message
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And who it was that, when offered Osama, declined.

Hehe...lemme guess.......does it start with a 'B' ???


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Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing