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Desperately need help: Woodstain over old Varnish won't dry!
I'm no expert, but I believe when re-staining a hard wood floor you needed
to have completely removed all old varnishes, etc. As you stated, where the wood was bare it has dried. That's the secret. You need to get all of that off the floor, then buff or sand it good, then stain and later varnish if desired. "Mike" wrote in message news:79dguvs9t5bttssmf6qlnk25j9l36gq427@duab... 13 years ago the floor was stained with a standard woodstain then varnished with Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating; www.rustins.co.uk/F_coat.html All was well. About three years later the floor was recovered with Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish. The varnish took about a week to dry; apparently, the polyurethane reacted with the old acrylic coating. The floor was left with that covering and has been used daily for the past 10 years. I assumed it was dry! However, I have just taken advice about recovering the floor and about 12 hours ago I cleaned the floor with weak mix of disinfectant/water, left it to fully dry then applied Rustin's Wood Dye www.rustins.co.uk/Wooddye.html to the entire area. I used a cloth to wipe the surplus away from areas where the old varnish was intact but the dye did come into contact with the entire floor surface. The areas that were bare wood have dried, while the areas with old varnish have reacted again and now that part of the floor is 'tacky' or sticky to the touch. So I need advice about how to sort this by tomorrow. I have a tin of Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating and/or a tin of Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish, a fan heater, a clean brush and all the shops are closed for xmas. Is it possible to get this dry and varnished by tomorrow, if so how and which finish should I use? Thanks for any advice. |
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Desperately need help: Woodstain over old Varnish won't dry!
The previous poster is correct. If you go to this side and read the picture
of the can is says "for new and stripped wood....". This is Wood dye, not Varnish dye. The dye is not comming in contact with wood. "Mike" wrote in message news:79dguvs9t5bttssmf6qlnk25j9l36gq427@duab... 13 years ago the floor was stained with a standard woodstain then varnished with Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating; www.rustins.co.uk/F_coat.html All was well. About three years later the floor was recovered with Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish. The varnish took about a week to dry; apparently, the polyurethane reacted with the old acrylic coating. The floor was left with that covering and has been used daily for the past 10 years. I assumed it was dry! However, I have just taken advice about recovering the floor and about 12 hours ago I cleaned the floor with weak mix of disinfectant/water, left it to fully dry then applied Rustin's Wood Dye www.rustins.co.uk/Wooddye.html to the entire area. I used a cloth to wipe the surplus away from areas where the old varnish was intact but the dye did come into contact with the entire floor surface. The areas that were bare wood have dried, while the areas with old varnish have reacted again and now that part of the floor is 'tacky' or sticky to the touch. So I need advice about how to sort this by tomorrow. I have a tin of Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating and/or a tin of Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish, a fan heater, a clean brush and all the shops are closed for xmas. Is it possible to get this dry and varnished by tomorrow, if so how and which finish should I use? Thanks for any advice. |
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Desperately need help: Woodstain over old Varnish won't dry!
"Mike" wrote in message news4rguvkqq3jgufhq8362lvb8790igj0jr3@duab... I'm no expert, but I believe when re-staining a hard wood floor you needed to have completely removed all old varnishes, etc. As you stated, where the wood was bare it has dried. That's the secret. You need to get all of that off the floor, then buff or sand it good, then stain and later varnish if desired. This is not practical though, there would be far too much dust and general upheaval and I simply don't have time. Then don't bitch that you made a mess. There is a right way to do things. Mixing chemicals will have a reaction. You might get lucky with some heat, but there is really no way of knowing for sure until you try it. Adding another chemical may make it better or worse. Try a small spot. Perhaps you can wipe it up and clean off the gunk with mineral spirits, but, that is flammable and presents a danger. After the holidays, take the time to do it properly and you will be rewarded in the end. Ed |
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Desperately need help: Woodstain over old Varnish won't dry!
Stain is meant to go onto wood not varnish.
What ever happens it isn't going to be accomplished by tomorrow. My suggestion, stop trying to half ass the job, sand the floor to the wood, and start from scratch. If the floor is gong to be heavily walked on tomorrow use mineral spirits and get all the stain up off the varnished parts and reconcile yourself to the fact that it is going to look like hell until you have time to do the job right. -- Mike G. Heirloom Woods www.heirloom-woods.net "Mike" wrote in message news:79dguvs9t5bttssmf6qlnk25j9l36gq427@duab... 13 years ago the floor was stained with a standard woodstain then varnished with Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating; www.rustins.co.uk/F_coat.html All was well. About three years later the floor was recovered with Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish. The varnish took about a week to dry; apparently, the polyurethane reacted with the old acrylic coating. The floor was left with that covering and has been used daily for the past 10 years. I assumed it was dry! However, I have just taken advice about recovering the floor and about 12 hours ago I cleaned the floor with weak mix of disinfectant/water, left it to fully dry then applied Rustin's Wood Dye www.rustins.co.uk/Wooddye.html to the entire area. I used a cloth to wipe the surplus away from areas where the old varnish was intact but the dye did come into contact with the entire floor surface. The areas that were bare wood have dried, while the areas with old varnish have reacted again and now that part of the floor is 'tacky' or sticky to the touch. So I need advice about how to sort this by tomorrow. I have a tin of Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating and/or a tin of Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish, a fan heater, a clean brush and all the shops are closed for xmas. Is it possible to get this dry and varnished by tomorrow, if so how and which finish should I use? Thanks for any advice. |
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Desperately need help: Woodstain over old Varnish won't dry!
Mike wrote:
L Beck wrote... "Mike" wrote 13 years ago the floor was stained with a standard woodstain then varnished with Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating; www.rustins.co.uk/F_coat.html All was well. About three years later the floor was recovered with Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish. The varnish took about a week to dry; apparently, the polyurethane reacted with the old acrylic coating. The floor was left with that covering and has been used daily for the past 10 years. I assumed it was dry! However, I have just taken advice about recovering the floor and about 12 hours ago I cleaned the floor with weak mix of disinfectant/water, left it to fully dry then applied Rustin's Wood Dye www.rustins.co.uk/Wooddye.html to the entire area. I used a cloth to wipe the surplus away from areas where the old varnish was intact but the dye did come into contact with the entire floor surface. The areas that were bare wood have dried, while the areas with old varnish have reacted again and now that part of the floor is 'tacky' or sticky to the touch. So I need advice about how to sort this by tomorrow. I have a tin of Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating and/or a tin of Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish, a fan heater, a clean brush and all the shops are closed for xmas. I'm no expert, but I believe when re-staining a hard wood floor you needed to have completely removed all old varnishes, etc. As you stated, where the wood was bare it has dried. That's the secret. You need to get all of that off the floor, then buff or sand it good, then stain and later varnish if desired. This is not practical though, there would be far too much dust and general upheaval and I simply don't have time. Well then the alternative is not going to be much better which would be to chemically strip the whole floor sand and refinish. What you have is a chemical reaction. The chems you have put down do not mix well and as such are not drying properly. I know it is not what you want to hear but the first response was correct. As you have stated Time is against you and I do not think there will be a solution before Xmas. Also don't put down more finishes it is only going to make the problem worse. As it stands the solution is sand the floor. And follow the manufacturers instructions for the use of thier product. There is no real quick fix for this. -- JSin Lost Generation Custom Tattoo To reply Kill the .idiot "Swing a little more on the Devil's dance floor" -Flogging Molly |
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Desperately need help: Woodstain over old Varnish won't dry!
Well, Mike, I hate to say this but if you're not willing to do it right you're doomed to
keep doing it until you do. |
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Desperately need help: Woodstain over old Varnish won't dry!
Mike wash it with cold water and Ivory soap,
It is and old refinishers trick Has always worked for me Let us know if you try it and if it works Good Luck, George "Mike" wrote in message news:79dguvs9t5bttssmf6qlnk25j9l36gq427@duab... 13 years ago the floor was stained with a standard woodstain then varnished with Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating; www.rustins.co.uk/F_coat.html All was well. About three years later the floor was recovered with Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish. The varnish took about a week to dry; apparently, the polyurethane reacted with the old acrylic coating. The floor was left with that covering and has been used daily for the past 10 years. I assumed it was dry! However, I have just taken advice about recovering the floor and about 12 hours ago I cleaned the floor with weak mix of disinfectant/water, left it to fully dry then applied Rustin's Wood Dye www.rustins.co.uk/Wooddye.html to the entire area. I used a cloth to wipe the surplus away from areas where the old varnish was intact but the dye did come into contact with the entire floor surface. The areas that were bare wood have dried, while the areas with old varnish have reacted again and now that part of the floor is 'tacky' or sticky to the touch. So I need advice about how to sort this by tomorrow. I have a tin of Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating and/or a tin of Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish, a fan heater, a clean brush and all the shops are closed for xmas. Is it possible to get this dry and varnished by tomorrow, if so how and which finish should I use? Thanks for any advice. |
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Desperately need help: Woodstain over old Varnish won't dry!
You don't have much choice.
"Mike" wrote in message news4rguvkqq3jgufhq8362lvb8790igj0jr3@duab... This is not practical though, there would be far too much dust and general upheaval and I simply don't have time. |
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Desperately need help: Woodstain over old Varnish won't dry!
Yeah! and slaughter a few chickens at midnight to be certain!!
"George M. Kazaka" wrote in message ... Mike wash it with cold water and Ivory soap, It is and old refinishers trick Has always worked for me Let us know if you try it and if it works Good Luck, George "Mike" wrote in message news:79dguvs9t5bttssmf6qlnk25j9l36gq427@duab... 13 years ago the floor was stained with a standard woodstain then varnished with Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating; www.rustins.co.uk/F_coat.html All was well. About three years later the floor was recovered with Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish. The varnish took about a week to dry; apparently, the polyurethane reacted with the old acrylic coating. The floor was left with that covering and has been used daily for the past 10 years. I assumed it was dry! However, I have just taken advice about recovering the floor and about 12 hours ago I cleaned the floor with weak mix of disinfectant/water, left it to fully dry then applied Rustin's Wood Dye www.rustins.co.uk/Wooddye.html to the entire area. I used a cloth to wipe the surplus away from areas where the old varnish was intact but the dye did come into contact with the entire floor surface. The areas that were bare wood have dried, while the areas with old varnish have reacted again and now that part of the floor is 'tacky' or sticky to the touch. So I need advice about how to sort this by tomorrow. I have a tin of Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating and/or a tin of Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish, a fan heater, a clean brush and all the shops are closed for xmas. Is it possible to get this dry and varnished by tomorrow, if so how and which finish should I use? Thanks for any advice. |
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Desperately need help: Woodstain over old Varnish won't dry!
I'm no expert, but I believe when re-staining a hard wood floor you needed to have completely removed all old varnishes, etc. As you stated, where the wood was bare it has dried. That's the secret. You need to get all of that off the floor, then buff or sand it good, then stain and later varnish if desired. This is not practical though, there would be far too much dust and general upheaval and I simply don't have time. "Never time to do it right, but always time to do it over." I was also hoping to have a floor done my Christmas - my bathroom floor. When we took up the toilet part of the sub-floor and the plumbing under the toilet was toast. There wasn't enough to even add a flange repair kit to. We probably could have jury-rigged something to get us by, but instead we opted to fix it all correctly. However, this is all taking time, and as a result, not only will I not have a floor by Christmas, there won't be any toilet in there either, because we're not reinstalling the toilet until the new floor is down. And working all day between when we found this and Christmas eve really cuts down our home repair time. Thank goodness for multi-bathroom homes and porta-potties. LB |
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Desperately need help: Woodstain over old Varnish won't dry!
Well,, you know what your priorities have to be better then anyone else so
all I can do is say good luck and wish you the best for the holidays. -- Mike G. Heirloom Woods www.heirloom-woods.net |
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Mike My apologies, I read your Post rather Hastily,
I didn't see where you put JUST stain on top of the varnish Stain will never dry it needs a top coat which is what i thought was being tacky and not completely drying. When doing refinishing work and Or recoation work the top coat sometimes does not get completely hard and stays tacky to the touch What I mentioned happens to be a cure for it, Don't know why but it does work, Especially on Shellac and Varnish. I doubt that you will not find this in the books that are written by the so called Guros of finishing geared to the novice market. Either way it will cause no harm to what you have. What you need to do is get a coat of topcoat on it problem is if you are brushing the brush will pick up the stain and cause a bigger mess than what you have. Best bet is to wash the stain off with Mineral spirits , Go back to Go do not collect the 200.00 and start over again. When Company comes blame it on the weather and after the holidays you have to do it all over again, But when you do Get a little Info on the proper way to do it. Good Luck, and Merry Christmas to all, and to all goodnight, George "Mike" wrote in message news:3j6juvob9m3vco2usrlk7o7oc8fc6r1vmu@duab... George M. Kazaka wrote... "Mike" wrote Wood Dye www.rustins.co.uk/Wooddye.html to the entire area. I used a cloth to wipe the surplus away from areas where the old varnish was intact but the dye did come into contact with the entire floor surface. The areas that were bare wood have dried, while the areas with old varnish have reacted again and now that part of the floor is 'tacky' or sticky to the touch. Mike wash it with cold water and Ivory soap, It is and old refinishers trick Has always worked for me Let us know if you try it and if it works I'll try and obtain some ivory soap today and give it a try. I'll post back here to let you know how it goes. Thanks for the tip. |
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the different products you are puttng on your floor are not compatable with
each other use paint/ vanish stripper get back to the bare wood and use only one make type of product "Mike" wrote in message news:79dguvs9t5bttssmf6qlnk25j9l36gq427@duab... 13 years ago the floor was stained with a standard woodstain then varnished with Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating; www.rustins.co.uk/F_coat.html All was well. About three years later the floor was recovered with Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish. The varnish took about a week to dry; apparently, the polyurethane reacted with the old acrylic coating. The floor was left with that covering and has been used daily for the past 10 years. I assumed it was dry! However, I have just taken advice about recovering the floor and about 12 hours ago I cleaned the floor with weak mix of disinfectant/water, left it to fully dry then applied Rustin's Wood Dye www.rustins.co.uk/Wooddye.html to the entire area. I used a cloth to wipe the surplus away from areas where the old varnish was intact but the dye did come into contact with the entire floor surface. The areas that were bare wood have dried, while the areas with old varnish have reacted again and now that part of the floor is 'tacky' or sticky to the touch. So I need advice about how to sort this by tomorrow. I have a tin of Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating and/or a tin of Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish, a fan heater, a clean brush and all the shops are closed for xmas. Is it possible to get this dry and varnished by tomorrow, if so how and which finish should I use? Thanks for any advice. |
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"Mike" wrote in message news:fhjouv0d5i0jh7tb9k48mdbe2cesl3ribc@duab... I have followed the instructions accompanying the product. From what I read on their web page, the product is made for bare wood and you put it over varnish or some type of finish. OK, you followd the instructions, but used the wrong product. Perhaps you can wipe it up and clean off the gunk with mineral spirits, but, that is flammable and presents a danger. What danger? It's not a running river of flammable goo, it's very *slightly* tacky varnish. The mineral spirits may pose a hazzard. It will give off vapors as it dries and the vapor can ignite. Not as bad as gasoline, but still a potential hazzard. I'm not sanding it down. If a wooden floor must be sanded down (or chemically stripped) each time the varnish is renewed, I'll just ceramic tile it as the former is completely impractical imo. Renewing the top coat of varnish is easy. Staining the already varnished wood is a whole different story. That is what caused your problem from the start. Perhaps a different product would work. Perhaps a urethane with a tint will give you the finish and color you desire. It's supposed to be a finished attractive floor, not a full time occupation. It will be if done right from the start. You will get many years of good use and little effort if done properly. Ed |
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Mike wrote: AFA Sanding it down is concerned, I find this ridiculous. If this measure was required every time the rest of the house needs a lick of paint, it'd never get done. PAINT / STAIN .. two different animals. Paint sits ON the surface for protection and has a colorant in it. Stain goes IN the wood, giving the actual wood fibers color, which is then sealed in and protected with a topcoat of varnish, shellac, etc. IN order to color the wood fibers, they MUST be exposed, which is a condition you do not have. You have stated that you followed the manufacturer's directions explicitly, but I cannot ever recall seeing a can of stain that did not include in the directions a statement along the lines of : "to be used only on clean BARE wood". Sounds like you have chosen the wrong product or you are misusing the one you got. -- __ Bob __ |
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Mike wrote:
I have followed the instructions accompanying the product. Apparently not: "For application to bare wood" is what it says on the website. If you simply cleaned the floor, then you were applying the stain on top of the finish coat (polyurethane) which will NOT accept the stain. -- ************************************ Chris Merrill (remove the ZZZ to contact me) ************************************ |
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Desperately need help: Woodstain over old Varnish won't dry!
Brushing a tinted clearcoat is an invitation to streaks from
overlapping the finish. Tinted clearcoat application suggestions typically are to spray and that wouldn't be viable for floor urethanes. On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:23:25 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: Renewing the top coat of varnish is easy. Staining the already varnished wood is a whole different story. That is what caused your problem from the start. Perhaps a different product would work. Perhaps a urethane with a tint will give you the finish and color you desire. |
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Mike G. is entirely correct (as usual!). Do it right. Having
just recently redone the bathroom floor in my place, (it was CARPETED wall-to-wall!) I can only say take time enough to do it permanently and correctly. In my case, the damn carpet even covered the baseboards! Were I in your shoes, I'd have covered the floor with a throw rug 'til the holidays were over. Pulling the terlet is very simple and straight forward. At least you didn't have two wax rings to deal with, (I hope!) as I did, until the project was completed correctly. I hope all will go well for you. Regards Roger I hugged my toilet...... "George Watson" wrote in message ... the different products you are puttng on your floor are not compatable with each other use paint/ vanish stripper get back to the bare wood and use only one make type of product "Mike" wrote in message news:79dguvs9t5bttssmf6qlnk25j9l36gq427@duab... 13 years ago the floor was stained with a standard woodstain then varnished with Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating; www.rustins.co.uk/F_coat.html All was well. About three years later the floor was recovered with Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish. The varnish took about a week to dry; apparently, the polyurethane reacted with the old acrylic coating. The floor was left with that covering and has been used daily for the past 10 years. I assumed it was dry! However, I have just taken advice about recovering the floor and about 12 hours ago I cleaned the floor with weak mix of disinfectant/water, left it to fully dry then applied Rustin's Wood Dye www.rustins.co.uk/Wooddye.html to the entire area. I used a cloth to wipe the surplus away from areas where the old varnish was intact but the dye did come into contact with the entire floor surface. The areas that were bare wood have dried, while the areas with old varnish have reacted again and now that part of the floor is 'tacky' or sticky to the touch. So I need advice about how to sort this by tomorrow. I have a tin of Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating and/or a tin of Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish, a fan heater, a clean brush and all the shops are closed for xmas. Is it possible to get this dry and varnished by tomorrow, if so how and which finish should I use? Thanks for any advice. |
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Mike wrote:
13 years ago the floor was stained with a standard woodstain then varnished with Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating; www.rustins.co.uk/F_coat.html All was well. About three years later the floor was recovered with Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish. The varnish took about a week to dry; apparently, the polyurethane reacted with the old acrylic coating. The floor was left with that covering and has been used daily for the past 10 years. I assumed it was dry! However, I have just taken advice about recovering the floor and about 12 hours ago I cleaned the floor with weak mix of disinfectant/water, left it to fully dry then applied Rustin's Wood Dye www.rustins.co.uk/Wooddye.html to the entire area. I used a cloth to wipe the surplus away from areas where the old varnish was intact but the dye did come into contact with the entire floor surface. The areas that were bare wood have dried, while the areas with old varnish have reacted again and now that part of the floor is 'tacky' or sticky to the touch. So I need advice about how to sort this by tomorrow. I have a tin of Rustin's Clear Acrylic Gloss Floor Coating and/or a tin of Blackfriars Polyurethane Stained Varnish, a fan heater, a clean brush and all the shops are closed for xmas. Is it possible to get this dry and varnished by tomorrow, if so how and which finish should I use? Thanks for any advice. the solution is to get a floor sander and sand up all the floor and then work on the bare wood with the stain.... tben when its dry you put on poly.. to cover the dry stain.... |
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