I built a park bench out of white oak. I wanted to prevent the oak from
changing color due to weathering and finished it with a water based marine
grade UV stabalized varnish. The bench has been exposed to direct sunlight
and rain for about 4 months and it is apparent that the varnish is not
preventing moisture from getting under the finish. The oak lumber in a lot
of places is begining to change colors. The color change is greatest in the
part of the white oak lumber that has small pores exposed to the surface.
The varnish remains attached to the entire surface and shows no signs of
pealing. What can I do to this piece to preserve its original nonweathered
oak color. Is there a marine spar varnish that will protect the oak and
prevent a change in its color? Can this bench be recoated with a spar
varnish that will stop any future color changes to the wood?

I googled on spar varnish and did not find much help with this problem. Any
help you can give me would be appreciated.
--
Joe Nation Assistant Superintendent - Retired
Ballinger, Texas 76821

Just out of curiosity, I wonder if a water-based polyurethane would
hold up? I know the Spar varnishes have a long chain which enables
them to stretch more and be more resistant to UV. Since boat builders
us Spar, I guess that may be way to go. Still, I wonder??? Hydrocote,
Resistane


On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:57:07 -0600, "Joe Nation"
wrote:

I built a park bench out of white oak. I wanted to prevent the oak from
changing color due to weathering and finished it with a water based marine
grade UV stabalized varnish. The bench has been exposed to direct sunlight
and rain for about 4 months and it is apparent that the varnish is not
preventing moisture from getting under the finish. The oak lumber in a lot
of places is begining to change colors. The color change is greatest in the
part of the white oak lumber that has small pores exposed to the surface.
The varnish remains attached to the entire surface and shows no signs of
pealing. What can I do to this piece to preserve its original nonweathered
oak color. Is there a marine spar varnish that will protect the oak and
prevent a change in its color? Can this bench be recoated with a spar
varnish that will stop any future color changes to the wood?

I googled on spar varnish and did not find much help with this problem. Any
help you can give me would be appreciated.

Joe,

There was a recent article by Michael Flexner (sp) in one of the mags that
answered this question. Simply the answer is ...no. The UV will continue
to cause the wood to discolor. You can stain (oil based - penetrates
better), or paint but any clear topcoat is going to allow the UV through.

Bob S.

"Joe Nation" wrote in message
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I built a park bench out of white oak. I wanted to prevent the oak from
changing color due to weathering and finished it with a water based marine
grade UV stabalized varnish. The bench has been exposed to direct
sunlight
and rain for about 4 months and it is apparent that the varnish is not
preventing moisture from getting under the finish. The oak lumber in a lot
of places is begining to change colors. The color change is greatest in
the
part of the white oak lumber that has small pores exposed to the surface.
The varnish remains attached to the entire surface and shows no signs of
pealing. What can I do to this piece to preserve its original nonweathered
oak color. Is there a marine spar varnish that will protect the oak and
prevent a change in its color? Can this bench be recoated with a spar
varnish that will stop any future color changes to the wood?

I googled on spar varnish and did not find much help with this problem.
Any
help you can give me would be appreciated.
--
Joe Nation Assistant Superintendent - Retired
Ballinger, Texas 76821

Joe Nation wrote:

oak color. Is there a marine spar varnish that will protect the oak and
prevent a change in its color? Can this bench be recoated with a spar

IME, no. Would have been better to just leave it raw and be done with it.

I have a similar bench that looks like utter hell now. I need to strip it
and leave it raw.

--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/

Joe,
I read the other answers {4 at this time}. I have a feeling that the other
responders may have skipped over what maybe THE REALLY important phrase, " .
.. .The color change is greatest in the part of the white oak lumber that has
small pores exposed to the surface.".

First, is the wood *REALLY* WHITE Oak? I don't mean any disrespect, a lot of
RED Oak is sold AS 'White Oak', and he two look very similar. {A simple
test, if you have any scraps left. Take a small piece with the grain running
lengthways, put one end in some water and blow through the other end. RED
OAK is so 'open tubed' you will get bubbles in the water; like using a
straw.

Both 'Oaks' are notorious for being a problem to finish, especially with an
epoxy. A trick is to wipe them down with Acetone . . . IMMEDIATELY BEFORE
laying down the first coat of finish. {Varnish - typically thinned as much
as 50%; but 20 to 30% should do very well}. I would NOT use a SPAR varnish
on anything that will be sat upon. It never *really cures*; it's not
supposed to. It will always remain 'soft'. There are a number of 'Marine
grade' short-oil varnishes that have a UV additive . . . I don't think ANY
{for EXTERIOR use} are 'water clear' but have the traditional slight 'Amber'
tone. {Pettit, Interlux, West Marine {house brand}, ZAR, etc}

How long a Varnish finish lasts when exposed to UV depends DIRECTLY on the
NUMBER of coats{about 6 being a typical 'norm'}, and the integrity of the
finish {an old trick is to keep a nail polish bottle, filled with varnish,
handy. As nicks are noticed, they are 'touched up'}Normally, the finish is
'refreshed' on an annual basis {actually depending on the UV exposure and
'handling'}. This usually involves a gentle scuff sanding and a fresh
{sometimes thinned 10%} coat flowed on.

For YOUR piece, {IF you want a varnish finish} I would recommend the
following:
1} Thoroughly sand of the old varnish to get a smooth surface; think of the
coats you have as 'fillers'.
2} Get some good UV additive varnish . . . NOT SPAR.
3} Get some containers so you can thin quantities of varnish.
4} Thin a coat by about 50% and flow on a thin coat . . . you are trying to
fill the pores of the Oak.
5} Wait 24 hours then sand with 220 grit and wipe with thinner dampened lint
free cloth
6} Thin a coat about 30% - flow on - 24 hours - sand with 320 grit, wipe
7} Thin a coat about 10% - etc, etc. - sand with 400 grit, wipe
8} [OPTIONAL - another 10 % coat - depending on pores - sand with 600 grit,
wipe]
9} Flow on UNTHINNED coat

If you have been patient, it should look like glass. If not, apply a couple
of coats of past wax with a very fine 3-M pad and buff well.

For the *ULTIMATE* finish . . . when starting from 'new' . . . seal the
pores & surface with EPOXY before applying the UV Varnish. Only about 3 to 4
coats are needed and the 'base' is fairly well impervious to everything.

Regards & Good luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop


"Joe Nation" wrote in message
...
I built a park bench out of white oak. I wanted to prevent the oak from
changing color due to weathering and finished it with a water based marine
grade UV stabalized varnish. The bench has been exposed to direct
sunlight
and rain for about 4 months and it is apparent that the varnish is not
preventing moisture from getting under the finish. The oak lumber in a lot
of places is begining to change colors. The color change is greatest in
the
part of the white oak lumber that has small pores exposed to the surface.
The varnish remains attached to the entire surface and shows no signs of
pealing. What can I do to this piece to preserve its original nonweathered
oak color. Is there a marine spar varnish that will protect the oak and
prevent a change in its color? Can this bench be recoated with a spar
varnish that will stop any future color changes to the wood?

I googled on spar varnish and did not find much help with this problem.
Any
help you can give me would be appreciated.
--
Joe Nation Assistant Superintendent - Retired
Ballinger, Texas 76821