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My sister has started to paint the outside doors and windows of her
newish (4 years old) house. The windows and doors are thick (scandanavian style) pine made by Rationel. The location is southern Ireland (Cork), south facing. In the summer it gets very hot sun. The timber looks like it was originally stained. She has started work, and has one coat of varnish on some of the windows and 2 doors. She spoke to me after getting this far and I have put some doubt in her mind as to whether varnish is the best coating to use. My recommendation is that she should use a stain of some type (Sadolin is the brand name that I normally use). The problem is that she already has one coat of varnish on the timber. Should she continue down the varnish route and put on another coat or two, or strart from scratch, strip off the varnish and go for a woodstain. Any recommendations from the experts ??? Thanks Frank |
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Paul Mc Cann wrote in message ...
In article , says... My sister has started to paint the outside doors and windows of her newish (4 years old) house. The windows and doors are thick (scandanavian style) pine made by Rationel. The location is southern Ireland (Cork), south facing. In the summer it gets very hot sun. The timber looks like it was originally stained. She has started work, and has one coat of varnish on some of the windows and 2 doors. She spoke to me after getting this far and I have put some doubt in her mind as to whether varnish is the best coating to use. My recommendation is that she should use a stain of some type (Sadolin is the brand name that I normally use). The problem is that she already has one coat of varnish on the timber. Should she continue down the varnish route and put on another coat or two, as long as shes using a suitable good quality clear varnish, yes. Dont touch tinted varishes though, theyre dreadful. or strart from scratch, strip off the varnish and go for a woodstain. woodstain dosent protect wood, it just stains it. Not much use. Staining pine gives quick colour but it also kills the detail in the wood. Much better to let it mellow by itself. Don't dream of water based finishes. They are an abomination to get right in their varnish incarnation. I'm surprised, I've never had any problems with them. If the house is south facing, as ours is, she's going to have to re-do it every two years. We have mahogany windows and door frames and I am now seriously considering painting them all white, SWMBO permitting of course, as it deteriorates so rapidly Why not oil them? Very quick and easy. Regards, NT |
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Paul Mc Cann wrote:
NT wrote [ oiling timber for protection v. the elements ] it would offer precious little, if any, protection Really? I've found that oil on hardwood gives good protection, and is very easy to re-do when needed. J.B. |
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Jerry Built ] wrote in message news:GFHTIOEAPRD3IHH3FSJ3NQIOKOF3LVKDHZKPHTJZ@zip lip.com...
Paul Mc Cann wrote: NT wrote [ oiling timber for protection v. the elements ] it would offer precious little, if any, protection Really? I've found that oil on hardwood gives good protection, and is very easy to re-do when needed. I used oil (as a 50/50 mix with paraffin) on a softwood frame to hold permanently wet earth. Something like 5 or 6 years later - with no reoiling - and it looked as good as when it went in. I was very surprised, only intended it to be temporary. Regards, NT |
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"N. Thornton" wrote:
Jerry Built wrote... Paul Mc Cann wrote: NT wrote [ oiling timber for protection v. the elements ] it would offer precious little, if any, protection Really? I've found that oil on hardwood gives good protection, and is very easy to re-do when needed. I used oil (as a 50/50 mix with paraffin) on a softwood frame to hold permanently wet earth. Something like 5 or 6 years later - with no reoiling - and it looked as good as when it went in. I was very surprised, only intended it to be temporary. I take it you're talking about mineral oil for engines - I would not use that on windows! I was referring to linseed oil, boiled (hardens more quickly) or raw (penetrates further, takes longer to go off), which forms a protective coating on the surface of the timber as well. Re-treatment is just a matter of rubbing up with a cloth and some turps/subst., and re-coating - or, indeed, just re-coating! J.B. |
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Jerry Built ] wrote in message news:AHHVFXIKB1IEMHOCNSL5F3CMKIAHPZCLADKOOOBQ@zip lip.com...
"N. Thornton" wrote: I used oil (as a 50/50 mix with paraffin) on a softwood frame to hold permanently wet earth. Something like 5 or 6 years later - with no reoiling - and it looked as good as when it went in. I was very surprised, only intended it to be temporary. I take it you're talking about mineral oil for engines yup - I would not use that on windows! I guess something that sets would stay cleaner. Point was just that oil is a good preserver of wood. Regards, NT |
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Paul Mc Cann wrote in message ...
In article , says... I used oil (as a 50/50 mix with paraffin) on a softwood frame to hold permanently wet earth. Something like 5 or 6 years later - with no reoiling - and it looked as good as when it went in. I was very surprised, only intended it to be temporary. Protection against what? Not the sun certainly and I can't believe it would give any sort of protection against the elements. If left on the surface in an outside environment it will just provide a medium for dust etc to adhere to. It would have very little resistance to rain frost or snow. As an interior finish it is really only useful as a cosmetic finish as abrasion resistance is very low and friction would remove it rapidly. Yes I know those with butcher block worktops in their kitchens claim it only requires a quick wipe down 'occasionly' to keep it looking good to which I would reply thats all a formica finish requires, and with a damp cloth not an oil soaked rag. I can think of no commercial kitchens who would be so daft as to elect to use such a worktop. Just fashion really, like the Belfast sinks, the majority of which aren't even 'Belfast' sinks If oil was that wonderful there would be precious little paint and varnish sold. Besides I don't think SWMBO would be too chuffed at having the woodwork finished in a 50/50 mixture of oil/paraffin. (Surely this must be bordering on a flammable mix ?) Paul Mc Cann Sounds like youve no experience with it and are just imagining how it might work. Reality is its been used for a long time and is very effective. You dont want it on windows because it does get dusty and makes painting afterwards impossible. And you dont want it indoors because of the paraffin as well. Bordering on flammable? Youre kidding? Anyone knows what paraffin is. If you dont know how it works, the paraffin thins the oil to enable it to penetrate well, and evaporates leaving the oil behind. Regards, NT |
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Paul Mc Cann wrote:
If oil was that wonderful there would be precious little paint and varnish sold. What have you to say about the merits of treating hardwood with linseed oil as a measure or protection/preservation? J.B. |
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