Tue, Oct 7, 2003, 12:46pm (EDT+4) (Martin=A0Trautmann)
asks:
is there a reasonable chance to glue in the loose part of knotholes?
snip

Try superglue.

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"Martin Trautmann" wrote in message
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Hi all,

is there a reasonable chance to glue in the loose part of knotholes?

I'd prefer to keep the knot, but the standard option seems to be: drill
it out, replace it by a bigger plate of matching wood.

Use epoxy colored with Vandyke brown(oil based) artist paint and some wool
'flour' to fill in and hold the loose knot. The concoction tends to shrink
slightly so I pile it on a little. After sanding, the repair looks very
much like the pine knot material. If I were you, I would experiment on some
scrap wood knots first.

Larry

--
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Columbia, MO
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Martin Trautmann wrote:
Hi all,

is there a reasonable chance to glue in the loose part of knotholes?
[snip]
Yes. If the knot does not rattle around in the hole, viz. you have to
shake or lift the knot out, then use yellow glue, put the knot in, and
rub some of your fir sawdust in. If the knot will fall on the floor at
the slightest provocation, then use some 2-part filler such as Minwack
Wood Filler, rub in some fir sawdust, etc. Bake at 240 cm for 3
furlongs, add whiskers, and serve.
mahalo,
jo4hn

Martin,

Having just finished a tabletop recently and repairing knots, I would advise
against using any filler in the epoxy. Use the artists oils as one
described and in my case, I used a little gel stain mixed in the epoxy to
match the knots and it worked great. The epoxy did not "shrink" but be sure
to over fill the void slightly since it will slowly settle into the pockets
and you may need to add more after a minute or two.

Clean out the voids the best you can using alcohol, compressed air or vacuum
and either dental pick or tooth picks to get in the crevices to get any
unwanted loose parts out that may not look good in the repair - such as a
broken or partial piece of knot wood.

My experiments of mixing sanding dust (various grits) resulted in very poor
textures that did not match the knot. Epoxy is one of the wood working
glues that is used for it's gap filling properties and strength. I had
about 4 large knots to repair or otherwise secure and several smaller knot
holes that needed filing. I tested several methods on scraps and then on
those defects that were on the back side of the table top first. The
results were always better when no filler was used and it was colored using
a gel stain versus regular (walnut) stain or sanding dust with stain. The
gloss of the epoxy is easily dealt with when you apply your finish top
coats. Just sand the epoxy down and then finish as normal.

I had a knot hole of about 1" diameter and the epoxy fill now looks like a
solid knot. I took a curly (yes I actually do use a hand-plane once in
awhile) and cut it to about 1/4" width and then coiled it and pressed it
into the knothole filled with colored epoxy. The dark epoxy contrasted by a
slightly lighter colored "in lay" of the curly gave it a real knot
appearance. On the other larger knots which were loose, they are now solid
and the epoxy matches perfectly. I also used the epoxy to fill in several
long (thin) cracks that were in the tabletop which I discussed in a recent
post for butterflies (bow-ties).

Practice on scraps, get the color so it matches the surrounding wood and
when filling a knot, ease the epoxy in around the edges. I found using a
small artists pallet knife and single-edge razor blades as great tools for
getting the epoxy where you want it, and then scraping away excess after
it's cured. Let it cure (typically 24+ hours) before you sand / scrape it
down level to the top.

I did use the standard 5 minute, two-part clear epoxy that is found almost
everywhere and it worked fine but I would suggest getting the epoxy that
allows for more open time (15 min) to give you more time to putz around.
Then there's always the West Epoxy System if you want to go with the good
stuff.

Bob S.

jo4hn wrote in message ink.net...
Martin Trautmann wrote:
Hi all,

is there a reasonable chance to glue in the loose part of knotholes?
[snip]
Yes. If the knot does not rattle around in the hole, viz. you have to
shake or lift the knot out, then use yellow glue, put the knot in, and
rub some of your fir sawdust in. If the knot will fall on the floor at
the slightest provocation, then use some 2-part filler such as Minwack
Wood Filler, rub in some fir sawdust, etc. Bake at 240 cm for 3
furlongs, add whiskers, and serve.
mahalo,
jo4hn

I've used epoxy quite a lot to fill defects that I want to keep in the
piece such a knot that is partially rotted. Dig out the rot and fill
the void with epoxy. It dries almost clear and really doesn't show.
If the hole is all the way thru the wood, tape a piece of waxed paper
to one side of the hole and fill it with epoxy. It will fill in
around the knot and it will stay in place.

Fred

I did not mean to say to mix the sawdust in with the epoxy/glue, but
rather to rub some in (lightly) before the stuff dries. This tends to
mute any color diffences between glue/epoxy and the wood and blurs the
line between them a bit.
j4

Martin Trautmann wrote:

thanks - I guess I'll give 2-part-filler a try, adding some sawdust from
another knot for a better matching color. I was just in doubt whether
the shrinkage of the knot will differ too much from the other wood,
resulting in cracks later on.

IME, the knot may well shrink and want to fall out a few years from now.
It's also likely to crack, and to want to fall out a few years from now.

--
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(T.) wrote in message ...
Tue, Oct 7, 2003, 12:46pm (EDT+4) (Martin Trautmann)
asks:
is there a reasonable chance to glue in the loose part of knotholes?
snip

Try superglue.

JOAT
There must be a hundred silver dollars in here. I can't handle that sort
o' money, you've gotta be in the league of lawyers to steal that much.
- J. H. "Flannelfoot" Boggis

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 6 Oct 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofal...OMETUNESILIKE/


Just stay away from Gorilla Glue. It is known to kill dogs, according
to The Puppy Wizard character.

On 8 Oct 2003 03:43:50 -0700, (BRuce) wrote:

(T.) wrote in message ...
Tue, Oct 7, 2003, 12:46pm (EDT+4) (Martin Trautmann)
asks:
is there a reasonable chance to glue in the loose part of knotholes?
snip

Try superglue.

JOAT
There must be a hundred silver dollars in here. I can't handle that sort
o' money, you've gotta be in the league of lawyers to steal that much.
- J. H. "Flannelfoot" Boggis

Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 6 Oct 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofal...OMETUNESILIKE/

Just stay away from Gorilla Glue. It is known to kill dogs, according
to The Puppy Wizard character.
[newsgroups trimmed]
I\Yes, GG killed a dog of one of the regulars on r.p.d.b. This may be
the *only* accurate information to come from the Poop Whizzer in
recorded history, so treasure it always.

In the meantime, killfile his sorry ass and keep this thread over on
r.w. where it belongs.

Lee