We're hoping that our new house will be finished in a few months and I'm sort of
planning my shop..

My 1st priority before moving stuff in is protecting the floor, which will be
ceramic tile... not sure yet if they're using 9 or 12" tiles, we pick these out
next weekend..

Two goals in mind:

1.. protect the tile from dropped tools, machines being rolled around shop,
etc....

2.. some cushion for walking and ability to roll lathes and saws around without
bogging them down..

I'll use as many anti-fatiage mats as needed, but only at needed areas since I
have the kind that are supposed to link together... they never seem to stay
linked, especially when you're rolling tools around..

My wife is thinking indoor-outdoor carpet but i'm not sure how sweepable or
vacuumable that would be...

Any suggestions??
Mac

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"mac davis" wrote in message
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We're hoping that our new house will be finished in a few months and I'm
sort of
planning my shop..

My 1st priority before moving stuff in is protecting the floor, which will
be
ceramic tile... not sure yet if they're using 9 or 12" tiles, we pick
these out
next weekend..


Hey Mac - the first question that comes to mind is why tile the floor in an
area like that? It's not a floor surface that is in any way compatible with
its use and just causes you to have to come up with work-arounds right out
of the chute. Why not just put down a more appropriate floor and then
someday if you change the use of the area you can tear up the existing and
lay tile?

--

-Mike-

"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
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"mac davis" wrote in message
news
We're hoping that our new house will be finished in a few months and I'm
sort of
planning my shop..

My 1st priority before moving stuff in is protecting the floor, which
will
be
ceramic tile... not sure yet if they're using 9 or 12" tiles, we pick
these out
next weekend..


Hey Mac - the first question that comes to mind is why tile the floor in
an
area like that? It's not a floor surface that is in any way compatible
with
its use and just causes you to have to come up with work-arounds right out
of the chute. Why not just put down a more appropriate floor and then
someday if you change the use of the area you can tear up the existing and
lay tile?

--

-Mike-



I agree, if you are wanting something that looks nice, you might want to
consider a stained concrete floor.

"mac davis"
We're hoping that our new house will be finished in a few months and I'm
sort of
planning my shop..

My 1st priority before moving stuff in is protecting the floor, which will
be
ceramic tile... not sure yet if they're using 9 or 12" tiles, we pick
these out
next weekend..

Two goals in mind:

1.. protect the tile from dropped tools, machines being rolled around
shop,
etc....

2.. some cushion for walking and ability to roll lathes and saws around
without
bogging them down..

I'll use as many anti-fatiage mats as needed, but only at needed areas
since I
have the kind that are supposed to link together... they never seem to
stay
linked, especially when you're rolling tools around..

My wife is thinking indoor-outdoor carpet but i'm not sure how sweepable
or
vacuumable that would be...

Any suggestions??
Mac

Mac, are you asking about protecting the shop floor or the house floor
during the move-in and setup?

If the shop floor is tile already, (this is your Baja House correct?), just
cover it with 2 layers of Polyethylene sheeting and a layer of heavy paper
then lay 2"x4" 12" OC sleepers the 3/4" floor rated sheeting plywood. Its a
lot, especially in Mexico.

On second thought, it might be less money to to lay the 2 layers of
Polyethylene sheeting down and pour a 1-2" concrete floor over the tile.
This way your could remove the floor and save the tile work.

Dave






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"mac davis" wrote in message
news
We're hoping that our new house will be finished in a few months and I'm
sort of
planning my shop..

My 1st priority before moving stuff in is protecting the floor, which will
be
ceramic tile... not sure yet if they're using 9 or 12" tiles, we pick
these out
next weekend..

Two goals in mind:

1.. protect the tile from dropped tools, machines being rolled around
shop,
etc....

2.. some cushion for walking and ability to roll lathes and saws around
without
bogging them down..

I'll use as many anti-fatiage mats as needed, but only at needed areas
since I
have the kind that are supposed to link together... they never seem to
stay
linked, especially when you're rolling tools around..

My wife is thinking indoor-outdoor carpet but i'm not sure how sweepable
or
vacuumable that would be...

Any suggestions??

Depending on space size and access, might be best to go with roll-up sisal
rugs at the places likely to have tools dropped on tile. Assuming terra
cotta or ceramic, versus vinyl, yes?

Roll the rugs to whack/wash outside and sweep with compound. They'll
cushion legs, too.

If I were in your shoes I would skip the ceramic tile for a workshop
area and look into either a decorative epoxy coating or commercial
tiles to cover the (I assume) cement.

Two examples I found from a Google Search. (No affiliation with
either)

http://www.rustoleum.com/Product.asp...ct_id=56&SBL=1

http://www.armstrong.com/commflooringna/index.jsp

It seems either would provide a nice look, will be durable, and clean
up easily.

If I were in your shoes I would skip the ceramic tile for a workshop
area and look into either a decorative epoxy coating or commercial
tiles to cover the (I assume) cement.

Two examples I found from a Google Search. (No affiliation with
either)

http://www.rustoleum.com/Product.asp...ct_id=56&SBL=1

http://www.armstrong.com/commflooringna/index.jsp

It seems either would provide a nice look, will be durable, and clean
up easily.


Good luck with whatever you choose and enjoy the new shop!

mac davis wrote:
We're hoping that our new house will be finished in a few months and I'm sort of
planning my shop..

My 1st priority before moving stuff in is protecting the floor, which will be
ceramic tile... not sure yet if they're using 9 or 12" tiles, we pick these out
next weekend..

Two goals in mind:

1.. protect the tile from dropped tools, machines being rolled around shop,
etc....

2.. some cushion for walking and ability to roll lathes and saws around without
bogging them down..

I'll use as many anti-fatiage mats as needed, but only at needed areas since I
have the kind that are supposed to link together... they never seem to stay
linked, especially when you're rolling tools around..

My wife is thinking indoor-outdoor carpet but i'm not sure how sweepable or
vacuumable that would be...

Any suggestions??

The tile is nothing more than a liabitility in that situation. From
another reply I read that it's a house on the Baja peninsula, so I
guess it's safe to assume it's a slab on grade. In that situation,
staining and sealing the concrete would be the easiest, cheapest, best
looking (and most likely to stay that way) way to deal with a shop
floor. Anti-fatigue mats are pricey. Adding that on top of the tile
floor...well, you're shop would have the most expensive floor in the
house! Not that you don't deserve it.

Acid staining can be as simple or as complex as you'd like.
http://www.acidstainconcrete.com
http://www.concrete-stains.com/pictures.html

If you end up liking the idea and deciding on staining your floor a
large scale walnut burl with holly stringing and maybe a nice faux
marguetry inlay - post some pictures!

R

mac davis wrote:
We're hoping that our new house will be finished in a few months and I'm sort of
planning my shop..

My 1st priority before moving stuff in is protecting the floor, which will be
ceramic tile... not sure yet if they're using 9 or 12" tiles, we pick these out
next weekend..

Two goals in mind:

1.. protect the tile from dropped tools, machines being rolled around shop,
etc....

2.. some cushion for walking and ability to roll lathes and saws around without
bogging them down..


G'day Mac,
I hate the expression "If it was me" but this is my idea.
Put a floating floor down. Use yellow tongue chipboard flooring on
bearers. The bearers do not need to be heavy as they are supported all
over by the original floor. Just 2 x 1 or 3 x 1 on the flat. Glue some
felt or rubber strips on the bottom of the bearers and that will ensure
your tiles are protected. It will only decrease head room by a couple of
inches and the timber will be much more forgiving on legs and tools.
Another advantage is it will reduce the amount of anti-fatigue mats, if
any that are needed.
I don't think it's a cheap solution, in Oz the yellow tongue is about
$80.00 for a 12' x 4' 3/4 sheet.

Anyhow just my 2 bob's worth mate.

Have fun
John

On Mon, 22 May 2006 11:23:42 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:


"mac davis" wrote in message
news
We're hoping that our new house will be finished in a few months and I'm
sort of
planning my shop..

My 1st priority before moving stuff in is protecting the floor, which will
be
ceramic tile... not sure yet if they're using 9 or 12" tiles, we pick
these out
next weekend..


Hey Mac - the first question that comes to mind is why tile the floor in an
area like that? It's not a floor surface that is in any way compatible with
its use and just causes you to have to come up with work-arounds right out
of the chute. Why not just put down a more appropriate floor and then
someday if you change the use of the area you can tear up the existing and
lay tile?

Sort of a short version of a long story, Mike...
We're moving to Baja California and had planned on renting the house out for a
few years before we actually lived in it, so we decided that we'd make it a 3
bedroom with a really big (18 x 21') 3rd bedroom... rents would be $150 a night
as opposed to $110...
Now we've decided to move in as son as the house is done... and the room will be
completely finished with plastered walls and tile floor to match the rest of the
house...
Also, we know that we can afford things like floors and air filters now, as part
of the sale of our house and all, but don't really know what finances will be
like "down the road"..
Mac

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On Mon, 22 May 2006 11:47:07 -0700, "Teamcasa" wrote:


Mac, are you asking about protecting the shop floor or the house floor
during the move-in and setup?

The shop, Dave..

If the shop floor is tile already, (this is your Baja House correct?), just
cover it with 2 layers of Polyethylene sheeting and a layer of heavy paper
then lay 2"x4" 12" OC sleepers the 3/4" floor rated sheeting plywood. Its a
lot, especially in Mexico.

On second thought, it might be less money to to lay the 2 layers of
Polyethylene sheeting down and pour a 1-2" concrete floor over the tile.
This way your could remove the floor and save the tile work.

Dave

wow.. serious work.. *g*

I was thinking something like cushioned mat or vinyl... something like that..
Mac

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On Mon, 22 May 2006 15:33:39 -0400, "George" George@least wrote:


Depending on space size and access, might be best to go with roll-up sisal
rugs at the places likely to have tools dropped on tile. Assuming terra
cotta or ceramic, versus vinyl, yes?

right, George... fired ceramic tile...

Roll the rugs to whack/wash outside and sweep with compound. They'll
cushion legs, too.

that's a thought... sort of like area rugs, I guess...
they could also be in the spaces between anti-fatiage mats, I guess..

I want to be able to use most of the tools both inside or outside, so rolling is
a big thing..
Mac

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On 22 May 2006 12:40:22 -0700, "A.M. Wood"
wrote:

If I were in your shoes I would skip the ceramic tile for a workshop
area and look into either a decorative epoxy coating or commercial
tiles to cover the (I assume) cement.

Two examples I found from a Google Search. (No affiliation with
either)

http://www.rustoleum.com/Product.asp...ct_id=56&SBL=1

http://www.armstrong.com/commflooringna/index.jsp

It seems either would provide a nice look, will be durable, and clean
up easily.


Good luck with whatever you choose and enjoy the new shop!

Thanks! (looking forward to a shop with heat and AC)

Changing the floor isn't really an option, looking more to cover it..

Mac

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On Tue, 23 May 2006 00:29:48 GMT, John B
wrote:

G'day Mac,
I hate the expression "If it was me" but this is my idea.
Put a floating floor down. Use yellow tongue chipboard flooring on
bearers. The bearers do not need to be heavy as they are supported all
over by the original floor. Just 2 x 1 or 3 x 1 on the flat. Glue some
felt or rubber strips on the bottom of the bearers and that will ensure
your tiles are protected. It will only decrease head room by a couple of
inches and the timber will be much more forgiving on legs and tools.
Another advantage is it will reduce the amount of anti-fatigue mats, if
any that are needed.
I don't think it's a cheap solution, in Oz the yellow tongue is about
$80.00 for a 12' x 4' 3/4 sheet.

Anyhow just my 2 bob's worth mate.

Have fun
John

hmm.. sort of along Dave's line of thought... might be worth the work and
money...

Not sure how available sheet goods would be in Baja, though... they use very
little wood in construction there... rough guess would be about 18 sheets for an
18' x 21' room?

Might be cheaper to just use those peel and stick hardwood flooring strips??
Mac

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On Tue, 23 May 2006 07:24:06 -0700, mac davis
wrote:


Changing the floor isn't really an option, looking more to cover it..

I don't quite get how a floor you haven't picked out yet can't be
changed. If you don't know if you'll have the money later you can buy
the tile now and store it, then you know you'll have a match and I
think you'll find the money or time to lay it yourself if the tile is
already there. Or stick the money in a bond or something.

I would not like the idea of trying to roll a table saw over a
patchwork of area rugs. If you build up a false floor you've got the
chance to run any extra electrical and maybe even the DC ducts in the
floor, though you'd need access to the ducts so I dunno how that would
work.


-Leuf

In article ,
mac davis wrote:

Any suggestions??
Mac

Yes, one that worked beautifully for me at my old shop.
Serious conveyor belts are rubberized weave.... often 1/2" thick or more
if their duty is like coal in a power station.
Gravel pits have that stuff.
When they are replaced, the old ones are a real pain to dispose of, yet
a simple hosing off will leave one with lots of rubber flooring.
The hard part is that the stuff is usually on a roll weighing several
tons. Some companies, like they did in my case, let me unroll and cut
what I needed in situ. Free stuff.....got to love it.

On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:20:34 -0400, Leuf wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2006 07:24:06 -0700, mac davis
wrote:


Changing the floor isn't really an option, looking more to cover it..

I don't quite get how a floor you haven't picked out yet can't be
changed. If you don't know if you'll have the money later you can buy
the tile now and store it, then you know you'll have a match and I
think you'll find the money or time to lay it yourself if the tile is
already there. Or stick the money in a bond or something.

I would not like the idea of trying to roll a table saw over a
patchwork of area rugs. If you build up a false floor you've got the
chance to run any extra electrical and maybe even the DC ducts in the
floor, though you'd need access to the ducts so I dunno how that would
work.


-Leuf

wow.. I really like the idea of running electrical under a sub-floor!

As to changing the floor, etc.....
Our house looks like it's going to be completed in "record time" for the area: 8
months for a 1,600 sq foot home..lol
All flooring, electrical, etc. are sort of carved in stone once the plans are
approved and home is started... We don't want to "rock the boat" in any way with
the builder because in the last 6 months, cost of construction has gone from $80
a foot to around $120...

I'm still thinking large anti fatigue mats, as that's what I use in my garage
now... the problem that I'm having is finding some that are bigger than 4 or 5
feet long..


Mac

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On Wed, 24 May 2006 01:35:19 -0400, Robatoy wrote:

In article ,
mac davis wrote:

Any suggestions??
Mac

Yes, one that worked beautifully for me at my old shop.
Serious conveyor belts are rubberized weave.... often 1/2" thick or more
if their duty is like coal in a power station.
Gravel pits have that stuff.
When they are replaced, the old ones are a real pain to dispose of, yet
a simple hosing off will leave one with lots of rubber flooring.
The hard part is that the stuff is usually on a roll weighing several
tons. Some companies, like they did in my case, let me unroll and cut
what I needed in situ. Free stuff.....got to love it.

that would be cool... have to see if there is anything like that around the
area...
I know that there is a cement plant and must be a quarry around, too..
Mac

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On Wed, 24 May 2006 07:41:33 -0700, mac davis
wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:20:34 -0400, Leuf wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2006 07:24:06 -0700, mac davis
wrote:


Changing the floor isn't really an option, looking more to cover it..

I don't quite get how a floor you haven't picked out yet can't be
changed.

As to changing the floor, etc.....
Our house looks like it's going to be completed in "record time" for the area: 8
months for a 1,600 sq foot home..lol
All flooring, electrical, etc. are sort of carved in stone once the plans are
approved and home is started... We don't want to "rock the boat" in any way with
the builder because in the last 6 months, cost of construction has gone from $80
a foot to around $120...

Well I can understand if you suddenly wanted hardwood instead of tile
at the last minute. But with this all you are doing to his schedule
is decreasing the amount of time the tile guy is tying up the jobsite.
I can't see a builder being unhappy about that. It's not so much a
'change' as a 'subtraction'.

All I can think of is a plane falling off the bench and taking a chip
out of the plane AND a tile at the same time. I'd be too disgusted to
go back in the shop for days.


-Leuf

I see how you wish for everything to match. But honestly, if you have
the $$ today there is no reason you cannot put it in a savings account
for use later. Plus, if your future finances are questionable, the
cash may be much more valuable than a matching tile floor that you've
covered with gym mats (and most likely wrecked) so it can be used as a
workshop now.

IMO, the smart money move is to purchase what you need rather than buy
what you think someone else may want a few years from now. Keep in
mind, you're not the only couple who would enjoy having a nice rec room
with a durable flooring that is a space for mom & dad workshop or the
kids to horse around in, so choosing that design also has much value.
Keep in mind, durable flooring products don't have to be ugly.

Good luck. Sounds like you're making one nice living space for your
family and I hope whatever you choose works out well for you.

mac davis wrote:

: Sort of a short version of a long story, Mike...
: We're moving to Baja California and had planned on renting the house out for a
: few years before we actually lived in it, so we decided that we'd make it a 3
: bedroom with a really big (18 x 21') 3rd bedroom... rents would be $150 a night
: as opposed to $110...
: Now we've decided to move in as son as the house is done... and the room will be
: completely finished with plastered walls and tile floor to match the rest of the
: house...
: Also, we know that we can afford things like floors and air filters now, as part
: of the sale of our house and all, but don't really know what finances will be
: like "down the road"..
: Mac


Tile will chip and break, and is uneven enough to be a pain for rolling big
tools.


I highly recommend acid-stained concrete. Our entire guesthouse has it,
including the shop, and it looks great. And it's relatively inexpensive --
we gpot the stuff from Sherwin Williams for about $50/gallon, and
each is good for at least 200 sf. Top it off with a waterbase acrylic topcoat,
and you'll be happy.

Have a look:

http://www.kemiko.com/


-- Andy Barss

mac davis wrote:
On Tue, 23 May 2006 18:20:34 -0400, Leuf wrote:

On Tue, 23 May 2006 07:24:06 -0700, mac davis
wrote:


Changing the floor isn't really an option, looking more to cover it..
I don't quite get how a floor you haven't picked out yet can't be
changed. If you don't know if you'll have the money later you can buy
the tile now and store it, then you know you'll have a match and I
think you'll find the money or time to lay it yourself if the tile is
already there. Or stick the money in a bond or something.

I would not like the idea of trying to roll a table saw over a
patchwork of area rugs. If you build up a false floor you've got the
chance to run any extra electrical and maybe even the DC ducts in the
floor, though you'd need access to the ducts so I dunno how that would
work.


-Leuf

wow.. I really like the idea of running electrical under a sub-floor!

As to changing the floor, etc.....
Our house looks like it's going to be completed in "record time" for the area: 8
months for a 1,600 sq foot home..lol
All flooring, electrical, etc. are sort of carved in stone once the plans are
approved and home is started... We don't want to "rock the boat" in any way with
the builder because in the last 6 months, cost of construction has gone from $80
a foot to around $120...

I'm still thinking large anti fatigue mats, as that's what I use in my garage
now... the problem that I'm having is finding some that are bigger than 4 or 5
feet long..


Mac

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How about rolls of the stuff,
http://www.durablecorp.com/infoanti.htm#safspun first site I got from an
exact phrase search on 'anti fatigue mat'. I saw at least 3 products 6'
wide and up to 60' long.
Joe