Okay, I watched the video and all I could say was "WOW!". This saw is
probably fairly expensive. Besides, I have a nice one and am always
very careful.

http://www.sawstop.com/how-it-works-videos.htm

But it only takes one mistake to lose a finger. Click on the link and
watch the videos linked on the site. It's amazing. I have to ask - is
this for real or is this some kind of high tech joke?

Has anyone else seen this machine before?

Jack

"mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" wrote:

Okay, I watched the video and all I could say was "WOW!". This saw is
probably fairly expensive. Besides, I have a nice one and am always
very careful.

http://www.sawstop.com/how-it-works-videos.htm

But it only takes one mistake to lose a finger. Click on the link and
watch the videos linked on the site. It's amazing. I have to ask - is
this for real or is this some kind of high tech joke?

Has anyone else seen this machine before?

Jack

Technologically it is interesting, however it has failed miserably from
a business perspective since the public doesn't want it.

Further reason to not patronize the company is the fact that in their
desperation to recover the development costs for their failed product
they are attempting to get the government to require manufacturers to
license and incorporate their technology in new saws.

This of course is essentially trying to get the government to force
consumers to purchase the product. Not only should you not patronize a
company as unethical as the sawstop folks, you should actively oppose
their corrupt efforts.

Pete C.

"Pete C." wrote in message
...

Technologically it is interesting, however it has failed miserably from
a business perspective since the public doesn't want it.

Do you have finantial figures to back up you claim here? LOL
Since the saw is in production and selling within a few years of having been
introduced I would say it is a success despite personal feelings about the
saw.

Further reason to not patronize the company is the fact that in their
desperation to recover the development costs for their failed product
they are attempting to get the government to require manufacturers to
license and incorporate their technology in new saws.

Any law against that? I believe that is called ummmm Capitolism.

This of course is essentially trying to get the government to force
consumers to purchase the product. Not only should you not patronize a
company as unethical as the sawstop folks, you should actively oppose
their corrupt efforts.

Oh you have a hard on... I see.

On 26 Feb 2006, Leon spake unto rec.woodworking:


"Pete C." wrote in message
...

Technologically it is interesting, however it has failed miserably
from a business perspective since the public doesn't want it.

Do you have finantial figures to back up you claim here? LOL
Since the saw is in production and selling within a few years of
having been introduced I would say it is a success despite personal
feelings about the saw.

Further reason to not patronize the company is the fact that in their
desperation to recover the development costs for their failed product
they are attempting to get the government to require manufacturers to
license and incorporate their technology in new saws.

Any law against that? I believe that is called ummmm Capitolism.

This of course is essentially trying to get the government to force
consumers to purchase the product. Not only should you not patronize
a company as unethical as the sawstop folks, you should actively
oppose their corrupt efforts.

Oh you have a hard on... I see.

A quick googling of "sawstop" brings your name up 290 times to Pete
C.'s once. Check your own pants.

In article , Scott
Cramer wrote:

A quick googling of "sawstop" brings your name up 290 times to Pete
C.'s once. Check your own pants.

You owe me a keyboard!

LOL!

--
Do the right thing. It will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
- Mark Twain.

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:04:21 GMT, "Leon" wrote:

Further reason to not patronize the company is the fact that in their
desperation to recover the development costs for their failed product
they are attempting to get the government to require manufacturers to
license and incorporate their technology in new saws.

Any law against that? I believe that is called ummmm Capitolism.

I guess I've had it wrong all these years. I always thought capitalism had
something to do with building a superior product so the public would freely
choose to buy it, not with lobbying the government to force people to buy
something that they didn't want.

To reply by e-mail, use jcarlson631 at yahoo dot com
-- jc

John Carlson wrote:

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:04:21 GMT, "Leon" wrote:

Further reason to not patronize the company is the fact that in their
desperation to recover the development costs for their failed product
they are attempting to get the government to require manufacturers to
license and incorporate their technology in new saws.

Any law against that? I believe that is called ummmm Capitolism.

I guess I've had it wrong all these years. I always thought capitalism had
something to do with building a superior product so the public would freely
choose to buy it, not with lobbying the government to force people to buy
something that they didn't want.

Well, I guess I've been wrong all these years as well. I always
thought capitalism had something to do with the private ownership of
the means of production. Frequently associated with, but not
synonymous with, free markets.
--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

Down at the sausage factory we no longer make links, but extrude one huge
sausage and cut it to length on the table saw. Production was up and we
made a lot of money so we bought some new saws from a company called Saw
Stop. Looked like a good product, but we've been having a lot of failures
every time we cut a sausage. What are we doing wrong?

"John Carlson" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:04:21 GMT, "Leon"
wrote:

Further reason to not patronize the company is the fact that in their
desperation to recover the development costs for their failed product
they are attempting to get the government to require manufacturers to
license and incorporate their technology in new saws.

Any law against that? I believe that is called ummmm Capitolism.

I guess I've had it wrong all these years. I always thought capitalism
had
something to do with building a superior product so the public would
freely
choose to buy it, not with lobbying the government to force people to buy
something that they didn't want.


Well yes you have . LOL I'm guessing for at least the last 40+ years
government involvement has helped Capitalism thrive. Superior product???
Please.... The American car manufacturing industry persuaded government
into charging high import taxes so that their competition would have to sell
at higher prices. The Capitalism that you are thinking about has not quite
been like you recall for many many years. In one way, shape , or form many
large companies have received help from the government to make us pay more
and pay for things that we do not necessarily want. How about mandatory
auto insurance in many states if not all. Why do you think government
positions are so darn appealing to all the corrupt individuals that run for
office? Why does a man spend millions upon millions of dollars on his
campaign when the salary return is a fraction of what he paid to get into
office, and yet he ends up with more money than he started with? How about
Digital TV? Every one that wants to watch free TV will one day soon have to
have a Digital Tuner or a TV with a Digital Tuner as analog is fazed out in
the next few years. How about that stock market. What quality product is
being sold there? SawStop is just one more company legally enjoying
Capitalism in the U.S.
I agree that it would be nice if Capitalism existed with out government
involvement as you stated but it simply does not exist that way in these
times.

"John Carlson" wrote in message

I guess I've had it wrong all these years. I always thought capitalism
had
something to do with building a superior product so the public would
freely
choose to buy it, not with lobbying the government to force people to buy
something that they didn't want.

That's capitalism with a conscience. True capitalism is every person for
themselves.

You do indeed have it wrong. Capitalism is about making money.
It has nothing to do with the superiority of the product.

VHS beat out Beta.
PC's outsell Macintosh.

Marketing trumps technology.


John Carlson wrote:

I guess I've had it wrong all these years. I always thought capitalism had
something to do with building a superior product so the public would freely
choose to buy it, not with lobbying the government to force people to buy
something that they didn't want.

To reply by e-mail, use jcarlson631 at yahoo dot com
-- jc

The Mike Berger entity posted thusly:

You do indeed have it wrong. Capitalism is about making money.
It has nothing to do with the superiority of the product.

VHS beat out Beta.

Because Sony did not pay attention to what the public wanted the
most... length of recording on one tape.

PC's outsell Macintosh.

Because few people wanted to access the computer through a single
button. How would you like to build a hutch and sideboard using only
one finger?

Marketing trumps technology.

And misreading the public's wants is a sure road to failure.

Mike Berger wrote:

You do indeed have it wrong. Capitalism is about making money.

No, you have it wrong, too. State-owned firms in a socialist system
also try to make money. One might argue that private ownership of
capital (capitalism) increases the focus of managers on profit
relative to those working for state-owned firms, but it is a lot more
complicated than saying that "capitalism is about making money".
Capitalism is about who owns the capital.
--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

"Pete C." wrote in message
...

This of course is essentially trying to get the government to force
consumers to purchase the product. Not only should you not patronize a
company as unethical as the sawstop folks, you should actively oppose
their corrupt efforts.


I am no fan of sawstop because I am unconvinced of its ability to provide
adequate protection. I am also not a fan of them lobbying government for
increased regulation. However, you should be careful of accusing an entity
of being corrupt. What exactly have they done that is corrupt / illegal?
Nothing to my knowledge.

Frank Ketchum wrote:

"Pete C." wrote in message
...

This of course is essentially trying to get the government to force
consumers to purchase the product. Not only should you not patronize a
company as unethical as the sawstop folks, you should actively oppose
their corrupt efforts.


I am no fan of sawstop because I am unconvinced of its ability to provide
adequate protection. I am also not a fan of them lobbying government for
increased regulation. However, you should be careful of accusing an entity
of being corrupt. What exactly have they done that is corrupt / illegal?
Nothing to my knowledge.

Morally corrupt a.k.a. unetical.

Trying to use the government to force your failed product onto consumers
is about as morally corrupt and unethical as they get. They certainly
aren't the first to attempt this of course.

Pete C.

Pete C. wrote:
"mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" wrote:

Okay, I watched the video and all I could say was "WOW!". This saw is
probably fairly expensive. Besides, I have a nice one and am always
very careful.

http://www.sawstop.com/how-it-works-videos.htm

But it only takes one mistake to lose a finger. Click on the link and
watch the videos linked on the site. It's amazing. I have to ask - is
this for real or is this some kind of high tech joke?

Has anyone else seen this machine before?

Jack


Technologically it is interesting, however it has failed miserably from
a business perspective since the public doesn't want it.

I don't know about that. However, people have too much babying today.
If you stick your finger on the blade, you deserved to loose it. Take
your medecine like a man.


Further reason to not patronize the company is the fact that in their
desperation to recover the development costs for their failed product
they are attempting to get the government to require manufacturers to
license and incorporate their technology in new saws.


Sounds a lot like the insurance industry to me. They will have to
grease a lot of pockets to make that happen. Especially not that their
cards are on the table.

This of course is essentially trying to get the government to force
consumers to purchase the product. Not only should you not patronize a
company as unethical as the sawstop folks, you should actively oppose
their corrupt efforts.

Pete C.



Yea. And what a bonehead move. Patents only last so long...Anyway I
saw this years back and thought it was pretty cool. The guy deserves
some money for his invention, but none for any 'extortion' he may try in
the future :P

--
Thank you,



"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor
man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes 9:16

Umm This has been discussed time and time again in the last 3 or so years.

The general consensus is that most every one here would rather not buy the
saw for personal reasons. About 10% here think it is a great idea also. It
sells for about the same price of a Powermatic cabinet saw, so pricing is
competitive considering all the features. Actual owners seem to be quite
pleased with the saw although on occasion there have some misfires that were
later corrected.


"mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" "mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" wrote
in message . ..
Okay, I watched the video and all I could say was "WOW!". This saw is
probably fairly expensive. Besides, I have a nice one and am always very
careful.

http://www.sawstop.com/how-it-works-videos.htm

But it only takes one mistake to lose a finger. Click on the link and
watch the videos linked on the site. It's amazing. I have to ask - is
this for real or is this some kind of high tech joke?

Has anyone else seen this machine before?

Jack

In article , Leon
wrote:

The general consensus is that most every one here would rather not buy the
saw for personal reasons. About 10% here think it is a great idea also. It
sells for about the same price of a Powermatic cabinet saw, so pricing is
competitive considering all the features. Actual owners seem to be quite
pleased with the saw although on occasion there have some misfires that were
later corrected.

That's a fairly inaccurate description as far as I'm concerned.

I recall the discussions well. After the long period of "is this
vaporware or not?" the primary objection was to Sawstop lobbying to
make their technology mandatory in the USA.

I think the tech is superb. As an option.

--
Do the right thing. It will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
- Mark Twain.

"Dave Balderstone" wrote in message
...

That's a fairly inaccurate description as far as I'm concerned.

I recall the discussions well. After the long period of "is this
vaporware or not?" the primary objection was to Sawstop lobbying to
make their technology mandatory in the USA.

No, I believe the people did not like the saw because they were speptical as
to whether it would work correctly, then they were skeptical because the
company wanted the government to mandate the safety device on other saws,
then there was the discussion of vaporware which made no since because the
saw was being sold and was in production at the time of the conversation.


I think the tech is superb. As an option.

So the tech would not be as good if it was mandated?



--
Do the right thing. It will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
- Mark Twain.

In article , Leon
wrote:

So the tech would not be as good if it was mandated?

"Mandated" is not a word.

Mandate is a noun. Nouns do not have tenses.

What are you trying to say?

--
Do the right thing. It will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
- Mark Twain.

"Dave Balderstone" wrote in message
...
In article , Leon
wrote:

So the tech would not be as good if it was mandated?

"Mandated" is not a word.

Mandate is a noun. Nouns do not have tenses.


Wrong! It can also be a transitive verb. The below was taken from
dictionary.com. Number 2 applys here.

tr.v. man·dat·ed, man·dat·ing, man·dates
1.. To assign (a colony or territory) to a specified nation under a
mandate.
2.. To make mandatory, as by law; decree or requi mandated
desegregation of public schools.
Stick to making jigs.


What are you trying to say?

--
Do the right thing. It will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
- Mark Twain.

Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , Leon
wrote:


So the tech would not be as good if it was mandated?


"Mandated" is not a word.

Mandate is a noun. Nouns do not have tenses.

What are you trying to say?

I think he's trying to say that it's required. Abd perhaps that he's
one of those individuals who doesn't like government telling him how to
live his life - at least that aspect of his life that concerns primarily
his own well-being.


I don't know what dictionary you checked but you have to check beyond
the main word entry...

man·date (măn'dÄ?t')
n.
An authoritative command or instruction.
A command or an authorization given by a political electorate to its
representative.

A commission from the League of Nations authorizing a member nation to
administer a territory.
A region under such administration.
Law.
An order issued by a superior court or an official to a lower court.
A contract by which one party agrees to perform services for another
without payment.
tr.v., -dat·ed, -dat·ing, -dates.
To assign (a colony or territory) to a specified nation under a mandate.
To make mandatory, as by law; decree or requi mandated desegregation
of public schools.

The above was off the internet. Just to be sure, I checked Webster's
New World Dictionary and they also list it as a transitive verb.

Then again, your main point is well taken. Akin to cutting off one's
nose to spite their face. I'm not aware of any law being broken in
attempting to create a market for one's product through legislation -
especially in matters of safety.

If anyone doubts this, simply look back at things like, oh, seatbelts,
motorcycle helmets, etc. Which came first? The product or the mandated
usage thereof?

On 26/02/2006 8:47 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , Leon
wrote:

So the tech would not be as good if it was mandated?

"Mandated" is not a word.

Mandate is a noun. Nouns do not have tenses.

It's also a verb.

mandate (mæn'deIt), v. [f. L. manda¯t-, ppl. stem of manda¯re to enjoin,
command.]

1 trans. To command. Obs. rare-0.

2 To commit (one's sermon) to memory. Sc.

3 To assign (territory) under a mandate of the League of Nations. Cf.
mandate sb. 4 b. So man'dated ppl. a.

4 To give a mandate to, to delegate authority to (a representative,
group, organization, etc.). Freq. as man'dated ppl. a., permitted to act
on behalf of a group, etc., approved by means of a mandate.

"Leon" wrote in message
The general consensus is that most every one here would rather not buy the
saw for personal reasons. About 10% here think it is a great idea also.
It
sells for about the same price of a Powermatic cabinet saw, so pricing is
competitive considering all the features. Actual owners seem to be quite
pleased with the saw although on occasion there have some misfires that
were
later corrected.

I'd suggest that the general consensus is that the saw is acceptable as long
as money doesn't have to be spent on false activations and as long as the
tendency to use unsafe practices around the Sawstop do not take over because
of it's safety features.

In other words, if I needed a tablesaw, I'd consider the Sawstop as being
completely practical as long as I don't needlessly have to spend money or
become a danger to myself while operating it.

"Upscale" wrote in message
...

I'd suggest that the general consensus is that the saw is acceptable as
long
as money doesn't have to be spent on false activations and as long as the
tendency to use unsafe practices around the Sawstop do not take over
because
of it's safety features.

In other words, if I needed a tablesaw, I'd consider the Sawstop as being
completely practical as long as I don't needlessly have to spend money or
become a danger to myself while operating it.


I totally agree. I suspect that the misfires were taken care of in a
favorable manner.

Leon wrote:
Umm This has been discussed time and time again in the last 3 or so years.

The general consensus is that most every one here would rather not buy the
saw for personal reasons. About 10% here think it is a great idea also.

I daresay it more like ony about 10% think it is NOT a great idea.

The personal reasons why we haven't all bought one include price,
objections to the 'marketing method' described elswhere in this
thread, and concern about false positives, e.g. tripping when not
necessary. If it were cheap, works as advertized (which it may)
and was available from a variety of vendors there would be no
rational objections ot it, so only the irrational would object to
having one.

The 10% who do NOT think it is a good idea are probably the same
guys who think fuses and circuit breakers are a bad idea and
probably save old bronze pennies to use in theirs.

--

FF

wrote in message
ps.com...

I daresay it more like ony about 10% think it is NOT a great idea.

I would like to think that... I have always thought it was a good idea but
typically the flavor is not for the SawStop. Initailly because it would
incourage carlessness. I never quite understood that reasoning. Personaly
I would never trust my fingers near a spinning saw blade even knowing that
there was better than a 99.99% chance that it would stop and not badly harm
me.

The personal reasons why we haven't all bought one include price,
objections to the 'marketing method' described elswhere in this
thread, and concern about false positives, e.g. tripping when not
necessary.

BUT...We still probably own and will continue to purchase American built
products won't we? Do we own American cars? For many years American cars
were expensive compared to many better built imports. American Marketing,
how about the High import taxes imposed on all imported automobiles so that
the American car builders would not have to lower their prices. American
built cars do not have that tax. False positives? Have we ever had a check
engine light come on and the dealer found nothing wrong and we still had to
pay a diagnostics charge? The problems that SawStop may be having with
some of their saws and their methods of bringing their product to market is
nothing new to many American manufacturing companies.


If it were cheap, works as advertized (which it may)
and was available from a variety of vendors there would be no
rational objections ot it, so only the irrational would object to
having one.

I cannot agree more. Its too bad that when SawStop initially approached
other manufacturers that the product was turned down.


The 10% who do NOT think it is a good idea are probably the same
guys who think fuses and circuit breakers are a bad idea and
probably save old bronze pennies to use in theirs.

Well I would not go so far as to say that but I suppose you are correct.
There are those that truly believe that an accident cannot happen to them
because they know every thing there is to know about saw safety and they
enforce those safety rules 24/7. I would certainly like to believe that
only 10% are against the SawStop because if SawStop continues to thrive the
other manufacturers will most certainly have to get on the band wagon to
satisfy the remaining 90% of us. Most likely with more manufacturers
offering this type safety feature the price of this technology will come
down.

"Leon" wrote in message
only 10% are against the SawStop because if SawStop continues to thrive
the
other manufacturers will most certainly have to get on the band wagon to
satisfy the remaining 90% of us. Most likely with more manufacturers
offering this type safety feature the price of this technology will come
down.

I don't believe that. There's always that segment of the population who are
going to be driven solely by cost. Just like chiwanese products that are
flooding North America, there would always be a market for a non sawstop
table saw. However, it would be nice if the price of the technology would
come down. I'm counting on that process to happen a little bit more before I
buy my first flat panel computer monitor and first 60" flat screen TV.

"Upscale" wrote in message
...

I don't believe that. There's always that segment of the population who
are
going to be driven solely by cost. Just like chiwanese products that are
flooding North America, there would always be a market for a non sawstop
table saw. However, it would be nice if the price of the technology would
come down. I'm counting on that process to happen a little bit more before
I
buy my first flat panel computer monitor and first 60" flat screen TV.


If all the major manufacturers offered the saw stop as an option, I am
curious at where the median price for the option would have to be set. You
know, at what price would about half of purchasers opt for the option and
about half opt not to get it.

$50, $100, $200, $500, $1000?

It seems right now that they are charging around $4000 for the saw when you
can buy a unisaur for around $1800 so the saw stop option basically is over
$2000 right now. It seems like this is sawstop's main problem.

"Upscale" wrote in message
...
"Leon" wrote in message
only 10% are against the SawStop because if SawStop continues to thrive
the
other manufacturers will most certainly have to get on the band wagon to
satisfy the remaining 90% of us. Most likely with more manufacturers
offering this type safety feature the price of this technology will
come
down.

I don't believe that. There's always that segment of the population who
are
going to be driven solely by cost. Just like chiwanese products that are
flooding North America, there would always be a market for a non sawstop
table saw. However, it would be nice if the price of the technology would
come down. I'm counting on that process to happen a little bit more before
I
buy my first flat panel computer monitor and first 60" flat screen TV.


Hi -

Be glad to show you one at the downtown Toronto store ....just have to ask!
(once we're open that is....April 3rd),

We're replacing every table saw we have with Sawstops. (and selling off the
saws we have!)

The bottom line for us is that it's a high-end, well-made tool.... with
excellent safety features. Yes - it's a tad costly... but we have literally
hundreds (if not thousands) people using our shop saws each year .... and
it's not a question of "if" an accident happens - it's "when"....and that's
what makes the decision for us.

Probabilties (and economics) take on a different slant with size.....

Cheers -

Rob

You really think there's such thing as "concensus" in a usenet
newsgroup?

Leon wrote:
Umm This has been discussed time and time again in the last 3 or so years.

The general consensus is that most every one here would rather not buy the

If you google this group for sawstop, you will find hours of reading ahead
of you.

"mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" "mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" wrote
in message . ..
Okay, I watched the video and all I could say was "WOW!". This saw is
probably fairly expensive. Besides, I have a nice one and am always
very careful.

http://www.sawstop.com/how-it-works-videos.htm

But it only takes one mistake to lose a finger. Click on the link and
watch the videos linked on the site. It's amazing. I have to ask - is
this for real or is this some kind of high tech joke?

Has anyone else seen this machine before?

Jack

Ah, well, it was the first time I had seen or heard of it. Expensive
and probably does have other problems (I'll read the previous writeups
if I can find them). But still ... it's just sooooo cool.

Jack

CW wrote:

If you google this group for sawstop, you will find hours of reading ahead
of you.

"mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" "mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" wrote
in message . ..

Okay, I watched the video and all I could say was "WOW!". This saw is
probably fairly expensive. Besides, I have a nice one and am always
very careful.

http://www.sawstop.com/how-it-works-videos.htm

But it only takes one mistake to lose a finger. Click on the link and
watch the videos linked on the site. It's amazing. I have to ask - is
this for real or is this some kind of high tech joke?

Has anyone else seen this machine before?

Jack

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:58:47 -0700, "mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net"
"mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" wrote:

Expensive and probably does have other problems

That's what I expected, but from the (purely paper) details I've seen so
far it appears to be a good high-end saw at a good price.

However I would never touch one of this company's products. The gimmick
is a partial solution at best (simple guards already avoid most of these
problems and it does nothing to stop kickback). Trying to enforce
regulation to sell their product is underhand at best.

Dave Balderstone quoted and replied:

WTF do you care?

I don't. I wasn't the one who made the comment about anonymity making
people brave.

Well, now I am really confused. You don't care, but you had to ask
anyway. Just nosy?

Since I didn't post anything that required any kind of internet branded
bravery, I can only assume you want my name for your Christmas list....
or maybe a long walk in the moonlight. So let me give you some real
info about me. Let's not get hung up on names... I don't even care if
Dave isn't your real name...

For my birthday, I would like nice steak and a good cabernet. Some
roses would be nice too, you rascal. Gift certificates are always
nice... I'm pretty easy to get along with.

And I did catch your earlier explusion of disbelief:

wrote:
ROBERT
(for those reading impaired)


Yeah, right.

I checked with Mom, and big guy, it is indeed Robert. Whew!

I hope that doesn't mean I am off the Christmas card list.

Robert (for real!)

wrote in message

For my birthday, I would like nice steak and a good cabernet. Some
roses would be nice too, you rascal. Gift certificates are always
nice... I'm pretty easy to get along with.

Easy to get along with? Right! And, so am I if someone wants to bribe me.
g

On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:32:33 +0000, Andy Dingley
wrote:

That's what I expected, but from the (purely paper) details I've seen so
far it appears to be a good high-end saw at a good price.

However I would never touch one of this company's products. The gimmick
is a partial solution at best (simple guards already avoid most of these
problems and it does nothing to stop kickback). Trying to enforce
regulation to sell their product is underhand at best.

The biggest problem I have with it is that it's really unnecessary. A
woodworker exercising reasonable caution has nothing to fear from the
tablesaw, and anyone who is so terrified of it probably shouldn't be
using it in the first place. There are thousands and thousands of
woodworkers out there who have all of their fingers and toes after
years of woodworking and they didn't need more than the guards and
splitters that came with the tablesaw.

The safety saw is ridiculously expensive for what you get, and
whenever it goes off, for whatever reason, it ruins your expensive saw
blade, plus requires you to buy a new expensive brake insert. These
things don't reset, people, you have to throw it away and start over
fresh. And as you say, it doesn't do a thing against kickback and
other real hazards.

"Brian Henderson" wrote in message
...

The biggest problem I have with it is that it's really unnecessary. A
woodworker exercising reasonable caution has nothing to fear from the
tablesaw, and anyone who is so terrified of it probably shouldn't be
using it in the first place. There are thousands and thousands of
woodworkers out there who have all of their fingers and toes after
years of woodworking and they didn't need more than the guards and
splitters that came with the tablesaw.

And there are thousands and thousands that have lost their fingers. Have
you ever cut yourself ,EVER, with a knife? A lapse of judgement can be
quite costly and NO ONE is incapable of having an accident regardless of how
safely you think you operate a TS.
It certainly is not necesssary but if you can afford it, it's well worth
consideration.


The safety saw is ridiculously expensive for what you get, and
whenever it goes off, for whatever reason, it ruins your expensive saw
blade, plus requires you to buy a new expensive brake insert.

I would rather the saw falsely trip 30 times and correctly on the 31st time
than not trip at all.

These
things don't reset, people, you have to throw it away and start over
fresh. And as you say, it doesn't do a thing against kickback and
other real hazards.

Well in your own words, A woodworker exercising reasonable caution has
nothing to fear from the
tablesaw. With proper caution a kick back is not going to harm you either.
That said, the saw does indeed have a riving knife that goes a long way in
preventing kickback.


I wish you luck and to remain safe with your wood working.

Brian Henderson wrote:

The biggest problem I have with it is that it's really unnecessary. A
woodworker exercising reasonable caution has nothing to fear from the
tablesaw, and anyone who is so terrified of it probably shouldn't be
using it in the first place. There are thousands and thousands of
woodworkers out there who have all of their fingers and toes after
years of woodworking and they didn't need more than the guards and
splitters that came with the tablesaw.
Kinda reminds me of the logic my son used to use when as a young teen
he objected to wearing a helmet and wrist guards while rollerblading
"because I'm not doing tricks, so don't plan to fall". And like the
thousands of woodworkers who haven't yet been hurt at their saws, he
has never been injured in a rollerblading accident


--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

"mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" "mywebaccts (at) PLUGcomcast.net" wrote
in message . ..
Okay, I watched the video and all I could say was "WOW!". This saw is
probably fairly expensive. Besides, I have a nice one and am always very
careful.

http://www.sawstop.com/how-it-works-videos.htm

But it only takes one mistake to lose a finger. Click on the link and
watch the videos linked on the site. It's amazing. I have to ask - is
this for real or is this some kind of high tech joke?

Has anyone else seen this machine before?
Jack

Where have you been?

--
Stoutman
http://www.garagewoodworks.com
(Featuring a NEW look)